Soul shriven motif is being devalued error in notes

GimpyPorcupine

Ashdroid wrote: »

I was just about to start Cadwell's Silver, but now I don't know if I should hold off for a while or rush through it. Hopefully there will be a replacement reward, for either one.

It's worth doing for the 3 quest-related skill points per zone.

Aliyavana

Highlor3 wrote: »

Another suggestion: give Crafting Motif 10: Imperial Style instead of Crafting Motif 29: Soul-Shriven Style as a Lvl. 40 reward.

NO, why should one evening of dolmen grinding give you a rare motif that is worth over 70k that I havnt even looted in my 3 years of playing eso? the motif price would plumet

Aliyavana

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can someone comment on if this will go live, if this will be changed, or replaced?

Jayne_Doe

Asardes wrote: »

Let's reiterate this: characters that hit 50 but haven't done Silver will be potentially locked out of a motif. That's the part that bothers me. Any extra motif will increase the chances of getting master writs from daily ordinary writs. No character should ever be locked out of an achievement. So either keep it at reward also for Silver, or give another reward for Silver and give it retroactively to all characters who have hit 40.

Yes, this is exactly what I was going to post. I don't mind it being moved down the "reward chain," but I do mind that some of my characters won't be able to actually get it. Either make this particular reward retroactive, since there is an achievement involved and it affects Master Writ chances, or reward it to these post-40 characters when they complete silver.

When this reward was first introduced, they made it retroactive, so why can't they do this again? This isn't a new reward, but an old one, and now they're essentially taking away an EXISTING AND EXPECTED reward from players and telling us it's not gonna be retroactive?

And just as an aside, I really do think that all of the account-wide rewards should be retroactive. Basically, they're telling their long-time players that if they want these new rewards that they have to spend real money for the privilege. I already have the horse and probably the costumes (if what I've seen posted elsewhere regarding that reward is accurate), so I'm only going to really miss out on the free coffer, which I will have to purchase with vouchers, and one of the free crates (which more than likely will just contain junk). But still, it's the principle of it. ZOS is either lazy and doesn't want to take the time to make the rewards retroactive, or they don't really care about the players who've spent a lot of time/money in their game, or they really want us to purchase yet another character slot - probably a combination of all three.

OutLaw_Nynx

aliyavana wrote: »

@Alcast @Nifty2g how would you feel if the dro mathra skin was handed out like candy because someone felt that running the content is its own reward?

I disagree and will say that before cadwells lot reward and the motif reward existed the rewards were underwhelming necklaces... if you were here back then you remember those that complained about the journey's lack of reward.

Are you seriously comparing a skin to something that you can easily grind/quest for? This is stupid.

idk

It was free to begin with and many have it multiple times. How is it devalued from free?

Really seems like a small thing, the change.

OutLaw_Nynx

idk wrote: »

It was free to begin with and many have it multiple times. How is it devalued from free?

Really seems like a small thing, the change.

People want to complain. Like for real, how many of you people complaining actually use this motif for anything other than the weapons? Should I start getting angry because Zos put in trait research scrolls into the store and vendor? Grrr! My almost 2 years of research for being 9 trait is now devalued. No. I don’t give a crap. I know I got mine the hard way.

Aliyavana

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@Alcast @Nifty2g how would you feel if the dro mathra skin was handed out like candy because someone felt that running the content is its own reward?

I disagree and will say that before cadwells lot reward and the motif reward existed the rewards were underwhelming necklaces... if you were here back then you remember those that complained about the journey's lack of reward.

Are you seriously comparing a skin to something that you can easily grind/quest for? This is stupid.

Lets see, you invest time into getting a motif that requires a long quest grind to a skin that requires a team investment, both requires a significant investment... now if you wanna argue that its harder to get that skin you can but... its still a reward. its easier to spend an evening grinding to lvl 40 then to quest.

idk wrote: »

It was free to begin with and many have it multiple times. How is it devalued from free?

Really seems like a small thing, the change.

free? you need to invest time

Aliyavana

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

It was free to begin with and many have it multiple times. How is it devalued from free?

Really seems like a small thing, the change.

People want to complain. Like for real, how many of you people complaining actually use this motif for anything other than the weapons? Should I start getting angry because Zos put in trait research scrolls into the store and vendor? Grrr! My almost 2 years of research for being 9 trait is now devalued. No. I don’t give a crap. I know I got mine the hard way.

ugly or not, its being handed out like candy

ZOS_GinaBruno

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

Nifty2g

aliyavana wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

Katahdin wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

This is a good idea and is a more relevant reward imo

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

I would rather them get a choice of the purple motif books (daedric, primal, ancient elf) since the suggestion of the op would limit soul shriven to 1 motif per account.

With all due respect, this is a silly idea. These motifs go for peanuts on guild traders. This weekend, while farming urns for furniture recipes, I received probably 5-6 of each. Might as well give level 40 players 100 of each style stone for the alliance motifs, at least that would be somewhat useful.

So why should they go with the silly idea of handing out a motif you have to earn instead of giving them a classic motif? Lvl 40 alot of seedlings can get just by dolmen grinding, how is it fair to get anything more than primal or daedric?

The point of my first post is that it was a reward introduced because you essentially had to PvE through silver and gold. If you can't go to other alliances, you can't have access to their guild traders. From an EP perspective, you had to complete silver to use the merchants in Rawl Kha, because that's where the most prolific trade guilds were. You had to finish Gold to get to Wayrest trade guilds, but they were not as important as Mournhold and rawl 'Kha (early on, it's different now).

They removed those constraints. So now the only reason to PvE is either if you want to or if you need the motif. A reward should never be the reason to complete content. The content should be good enough to be its own reward. By moving it to level 40, ZoS continues the trend of not forcing people to do those things they don't want to do.

Edit: Should never be the sole reason to complete content.

@Alcast @Nifty2g how would you feel if the dro mathra skin was handed out like candy because someone felt that running the content is its own reward?

I disagree and will say that before cadwells lot reward and the motif reward existed the rewards were underwhelming necklaces... if you were here back then you remember those that complained about the journey's lack of reward.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

If you don't like PvE or PvP, the requirements to do either should be minimal for enjoying the content you favor.

The soul shriven motif was added as reward well after release. Many of my alts simply received it in the mail. Why did I have alts that completed silver? Back then, you could not go to all three alliance territories without completing silver. Similarly, you could not go to any other alliance until you completed the main quest line.

They removed all the prerequisites for traveling to foreign lands to accommodate the 'play as you want' crowd. Now they are moving the reward down a bit so that you can get it even if you have no interest in helping any other alliance or PvE in general. I don't see a problem with that.

This reminds me of all the whining from PvPers when they severely nerfed the amount of AP required to max the alliance skills, and again when they buffed the amount of AP you receive in PvP. PvE folks needed vigor and (at that time) barrier. I did not have a problem with making it easier for PvE'rs who did not like PvP.

I craft to fuel the enjoyment my friends and I have in PvP. I do not like running the same content over and over for gear or whatever else motivates PvE play. In exchange for nerfing AP requirements, ZoS helped me out by providing impen monster helms for AP. I was ecstatic, I could get what I needed without doing something I don't particularly enjoy. The PvE folks wailed incessantly.

Dropping a motif that improves your chance for master writs is a good thing for both PvE'rs and PvPers. I say this even though the change won't help me at all. I've played this game for too long for it to matter.

Ok so am evening of dolmen grinding should get you a motif that requires a time investment? Devalues it completly

You can either buy every other motif off a guild trader or through the Crown store. Does that devalue every other motif completely? I can make 100,000 gold a day in a couple of hours...

I'm not saying the reward shouldn't be replaced, but it should be replaced with something that doesn't block other content. Like a skin or something.

Gold is good to buy motifs with and some require a significant investment of gold like bouyant arminger.

I agree however that we need proper compensation

I wouldn't mind people already pay for skins they shouldn't have. Would be kinda cool for a motif to give to a new player, new players arent going to be grinding up straight to level 40 most of them quest there way there so i fail to see what the big deal is, it's still a reward for questing/leveling up.

Epona222

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

Thank you for confirming Gina, this is something (as an avid motif collector) that I have been fretting about since the patch notes. Glad to hear it will remain as is - if I need it on any more characters it is good to know that I will be able to put in the effort and still get the motif the existing way (Cadwell's Silver). Many thanks

Ydrisselle

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

Okay, that's great. I suggest try to proofread the patch notes one more time before you give them to us

Aliyavana

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

wooooo, thanks gina

Moloch1514

Ydrisselle wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

Okay, that's great. I suggest try to proofread the patch notes one more time before you give them to us

Seriously though. Too many 'missed those notes' for the prices we pay ZO$. Maybe have a dev give a look and sign off?

Ydrisselle

Moloch1514 wrote: »

Ydrisselle wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

Okay, that's great. I suggest try to proofread the patch notes one more time before you give them to us

Seriously though. Too many 'missed those notes' for the prices we pay ZO$. Maybe have a dev give a look and sign off?

There are always errors. However this time I think there are a bit too much of them, and I'm not talking about typos...

Colecovision

Is it possible the error was that a solution to the problem that surfaced was complicated and not worth it, so they changed their mind? I thought that was the point of the whole testing system.

BlazingDynamo

If they unbound the motif so I can bank it or better yet sell it. All the marrier. I don't see that devaluing it if anything it will put a price on the book. Not many people will grind characters to lvl 40 to make a quick buck then delete and repeat.

Putting the gold glass motif in the master writ vendor now that's devaluing something lol some glad I didn't give that guy the 2mil he was asking for it now.

peasant007

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

If they unbound the motif so I can bank it or better yet sell it.

When my character finished Cadwell's, she was able to bank the book and my crafter was able to use it. So it's not bound to backpack anymore, it's bound to account.

Saturnana

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

That's awesome Gina, thank you!

IRDeja

Asardes wrote: »

Let's reiterate this: characters that hit 50 but haven't done Silver will be potentially locked out of a motif. That's the part that bothers me. Any extra motif will increase the chances of getting master writs from daily ordinary writs. No character should ever be locked out of an achievement. So either keep it at reward also for Silver, or give another reward for Silver and give it retroactively to all characters who have hit 40.

Same here - I didn't care that it was gonna be given out to level 40 people if I'm honest, I'm of the mindset that something like this should be easily accessible to new players too, without requiring them to grind Silver. I just didn't want to be locked out of it on my crafter, that's all. I'm a bit of a completionist, and as a returning player doing new chars and builds, I've not had a chance to get through Silver yet on my crafter - who I've said before is also my tank, and solo questing is painful.

Thanks for the clarification though @ZOS_GinaBruno

Asardes

It's now clear the problem was a simple typo. Time to close this thread.

starkerealm

Ydrisselle wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

Okay, that's great. I suggest try to proofread the patch notes one more time before you give them to us

But proofreading causes The Prophet to enter The Hunting Grounds with you and transform into a werewolf.

luen79rwb17_ESO

The real reward is actually quite good too. I always loved those prisoner's shackles and cute sandals

Ydrisselle

starkerealm wrote: »

Ydrisselle wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

Okay, that's great. I suggest try to proofread the patch notes one more time before you give them to us

But proofreading causes The Prophet to enter The Hunting Grounds with you and transform into a werewolf.

I want a prophetic werewolf in the game

idk

aliyavana wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@Alcast @Nifty2g how would you feel if the dro mathra skin was handed out like candy because someone felt that running the content is its own reward?

I disagree and will say that before cadwells lot reward and the motif reward existed the rewards were underwhelming necklaces... if you were here back then you remember those that complained about the journey's lack of reward.

Are you seriously comparing a skin to something that you can easily grind/quest for? This is stupid.

Lets see, you invest time into getting a motif that requires a long quest grind to a skin that requires a team investment, both requires a significant investment... now if you wanna argue that its harder to get that skin you can but... its still a reward. its easier to spend an evening grinding to lvl 40 then to quest.

idk wrote: »

It was free to begin with and many have it multiple times. How is it devalued from free?

Really seems like a small thing, the change.

free? you need to invest time

A couple days time is hardly significant. As one who has competed silver on multiple characters I can hardly see this as a big issue.

starkerealm

Ydrisselle wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Ydrisselle wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

Okay, that's great. I suggest try to proofread the patch notes one more time before you give them to us

But proofreading causes The Prophet to enter The Hunting Grounds with you and transform into a werewolf.

I want a prophetic werewolf in the game

It was a very old bug. Fixed back in early 2015, IIRC.

starkerealm

idk wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@Alcast @Nifty2g how would you feel if the dro mathra skin was handed out like candy because someone felt that running the content is its own reward?

I disagree and will say that before cadwells lot reward and the motif reward existed the rewards were underwhelming necklaces... if you were here back then you remember those that complained about the journey's lack of reward.

Are you seriously comparing a skin to something that you can easily grind/quest for? This is stupid.

Lets see, you invest time into getting a motif that requires a long quest grind to a skin that requires a team investment, both requires a significant investment... now if you wanna argue that its harder to get that skin you can but... its still a reward. its easier to spend an evening grinding to lvl 40 then to quest.

idk wrote: »

It was free to begin with and many have it multiple times. How is it devalued from free?

Really seems like a small thing, the change.

free? you need to invest time

A couple days time is hardly significant. As one who has competed silver on multiple characters I can hardly see this as a big issue.

Legitimately, with practice, you can clear Silver from finishing Coldharbour in about 12 hours. Maybe 5 or 6. Which... yeah that's not too bad for a motif.

Here's the problem. That assumes someone has completed the main quest (they may not have, even if they weren't grinding), and it assumes that they know they need to burn through the Silver quests. I've seen players who, could not figure out how to advance silver at all. They'd get it eventually, but it'd take awhile. So... yeah, that is asking a lot from a player on a short timetable.

I_killed_Vivec

You should get Soul Shriven when you leave Coldharbour after having defeated Ole Moley.

Then they could give you your alliance's motif for completing hero of your alliance.

Complete Cadwell's Silver and get that alliance motif; and the same for Cadwell's Gold.

It's logical, but will never happen because they sell those motifs in the crown store and money talks.

Jayne_Doe

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The Soul-Shriven Motif listed as a reward for reaching Level 40 was an error, and will not be one of the rewards you obtain through the Level Up Advisor. Instead, the correct reward is the Prisoner's Rags. Apologies for the confusion! We'll make sure this is noted properly when the Live patch notes are published.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you clarify what the Prisoner's Rags are? Is it something that is account-wide that unlocks for the outfit system? Or is it another motif? I'm assuming the former, but just want some clarification.

And, glad to know that the motif is staying where it is. Was really surprised when reading the patch notes, as moving it would have locked some characters out of getting it.