Soul shriven motif is being devalued error in notes

IRDeja

I have a friend who is in the scenario described above. We both started playing at Xbox launch in 2014, left sometime after and returned 2017 in about June. Since then he's filled up all his character slots with alts that are now at CP level.

I wonder if he will be locked out of getting this motif now, as I know for a fact he's not completed Silver yet.

ihazzit

jlboozer wrote: »

It is dissapointing, Soul Shriven motif is literally the only reason that I did silver. Those axes are awesome, it really devalued the time I spent doing it.

I agree. I started a new character last month and lvld it to 38 and decided to take a break from it last week to go through the Caldwell grind on my main to get the Soul Shriven motif.

ArchMikem

It really is a sad day for Role Playing Games when even the Story is considered just another grind to get out of the way.

RPGrenade

I don't agree that the motif being handed out "devalues" what people did to get it, because they had it for much longer and still accomplished the things for themselves, but I do think it might be nice to see a new Cadwell's Silver reward in place of the motif. Not something that would require people with max characters who might have done it a bunch of times to do it again, but just something to make the quest completion more rewarding. Maybe increased gold for the quest, or an experience scroll to help people doing it for the first time catch up on CP during Cadwell's Gold.

Aliyavana

ArchMikem wrote: »

It really is a sad day for Role Playing Games when even the Story is considered just another grind to get out of the way.

You misinterpreted my entire post, I love elder scrolls lore and enjoyed the questlines, but whether you are a pvper/er/rper, you should have some form of exclusivity for putting time into an activity. Imagine if pvpers got the master angler title for reaching rank 15 or pvers unlocking the emperor costume for completing the imperial city questline, everything should be WORKED for, not given out as a participation trophy

Saturnana

I just unlocked Cadwell's Silver on my main last month. If the Soul Shriven motif gets switched out with Worm Cult for instance, (which I'm all for, btw) would that one get handed out retroactively? I understand the upcoming level rewards will not be handed out retroactively as has already been stated by Gina, and that I understand. But if the Soul Shriven's 'replacement' doesn't either (to people who already completed silver, of course) then I'm forced to drag a new character through two whole alliances in order to receive a reward that should already be unlocked on the character I actually want to use it on..

FeelsBadMan

jssriot

This is what making me really salty about this:

BEFORE:

--you had to complete the main Quest, Coldharbour and the 5 main quests for the next faction to get Soul Shriven
--When it was introduced, it was a RETRO ACTIVE reward, so anyone who had done all that work previously got it

NOW WITH THE LVL ADVISER:

--you can grind dolmens, get skyreach carries or use a bot train*** until you hit lv 40, so you basically don't even need to play the game at all
--it's NOT retroactive, so that new toon you leveled to 50 over the New Life event will still need to do Cadlwell's Silver to get it. Say hi to all the bot trains leveling up people's toons for the adviser rewards while you're at it.

"But it's an ugly motif, no one cares, wah wah wah"

1) Some of the weapon models are quite popular, especially the sword, bow, staff and battle axe
2) you get an achievement for learning this motif that counts towards earning master writs
3) I repeat, YOU GET AN ACHIEVEMENT FOR IT THAT COUNTS TOWARDS EARNING MASTER WRITS

Pay attention to #2/#3. I repeated for it a reason. I'm gonna rant for a sec, bear with me:

One of the things that really attracted me to ESO was its promise of a very involved crafting system tat requires players to really invest time in order to acquire crafting skills. Then when they added the master writs, they said--ZOS SAID THIS--that it was a system designed for people who INVESTED the time and effort into the crafters. While just given away a full motif that comes with it its own, full achievement that counts towards earning more master writs may not matter to many who haven't invested in a master crafter so far, but to me, who has, it's a very worrying sign that in the very near future ZOS is going to be chipping away at this aspect of the game and making it much easier, and probably monetizing along the way, to get a master crafter and master writs. I see things like Trait Tokens, Crown Inspiration Scrolls, Crown Master Writs and the like in the future. And no, I don't want that. I know a lot of people do because they lazy and the way ZOS is taking the game, less and less progression is being asked of the players, so now players are resenting any progression is any form. But as someone who happily spent the time making a crafter, who really enjoyed it and got a real sense of progression and accomplishment from it, I think this is a very bad downgrade for the game and community.

If they do just end up watering down the crafting system, then honestly, part of me is glad that I seen the end in sight of my own goal of mastering end-game content so I can leave this game and not deal with ZOS' drama anymore. Adding more content isn't want keeps players like me around--it's giving us something to work at and get good at--and being rewarded for it--because that's what's fun for us. You don't get good when things that are just given to you for hanging around dolmens and soaking up the XP (or hiring a bot runner to level your toon***). But that seems to be the kind of player this game is being geared toward more and more.

*** Yeah, yeah, I know, bots aren't "legal" but given how slow ZOS is to respond to them, more than few people will be farming these awards with bots--and I suspect for the crates in particular since crown gems are account-wide--so expect a real uptick in them.

Aliyavana

jssriot wrote: »

This is what making me really salty about this:

BEFORE:

--you had to complete the main Quest, Coldharbour and the 5 main quests for the next faction to get Soul Shriven
--When it was introduced, it was a RETRO ACTIVE reward, so anyone who had done all that work previously got it

NOW WITH THE LVL ADVISER:

--you can grind dolmens, get skyreach carries or use a bot train*** until you hit lv 40, so you basically don't even need to play the game at all
--it's NOT retroactive, so that new toon you leveled to 50 over the New Life event will still need to do Cadlwell's Silver to get it. Say hi to all the bot trains leveling up people's toons for the adviser rewards while you're at it.

"But it's an ugly motif, no one cares, wah wah wah"

1) Some of the weapon models are quite popular, especially the sword, bow, staff and battle axe
2) you get an achievement for learning this motif that counts towards earning master writs
3) I repeat, YOU GET AN ACHIEVEMENT FOR IT THAT COUNTS TOWARDS EARNING MASTER WRITS

Pay attention to #2/#3. I repeated for it a reason. I'm gonna rant for a sec, bear with me:

One of the things that really attracted me to ESO was its promise of a very involved crafting system tat requires players to really invest time in order to acquire crafting skills. Then when they added the master writs, they said--ZOS SAID THIS--that it was a system designed for people who INVESTED the time and effort into the crafters. While just given away a full motif that comes with it its own, full achievement that counts towards earning more master writs may not matter to many who haven't invested in a master crafter so far, but to me, who has, it's a very worrying sign that in the very near future ZOS is going to be chipping away at this aspect of the game and making it much easier, and probably monetizing along the way, to get a master crafter and master writs. I see things like Trait Tokens, Crown Inspiration Scrolls, Crown Master Writs and the like in the future. And no, I don't want that. I know a lot of people do because they lazy and the way ZOS is taking the game, less and less progression is being asked of the players, so now players are resenting any progression is any form. But as someone who happily spent the time making a crafter, who really enjoyed it and got a real sense of progression and accomplishment from it, I think this is a very bad downgrade for the game and community.

If they do just end up watering down the crafting system, then honestly, part of me is glad that I seen the end in sight of my own goal of mastering end-game content so I can leave this game and not deal with ZOS' drama anymore. Adding more content isn't want keeps players like me around--it's giving us something to work at and get good at--and being rewarded for it--because that's what's fun for us. You don't get good when things that are just given to you for hanging around dolmens and soaking up the XP (or hiring a bot runner to level your toon***). But that seems to be the kind of player this game is being geared toward more and more.

*** Yeah, yeah, I know, bots aren't "legal" but given how slow ZOS is to respond to them, more than few people will be farming these awards with bots--and I suspect for the crates in particular since crown gems are account-wide--so expect a real uptick in them.

Agreed, rewards shouldn't be handed out unless we are given something as compensation

A_G_G_R_O

I just hope I can claim all these benefits on my lvl 50

SGT_Wolfe101st

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Shawn_PT wrote: »

So. If I have no character slots available, all are lvl50+, but I have never completed Silver on any of them..... does that mean I'll have to delete one of my fully geared/leveled characters to make a new one to get the motif now? That's a poor decision. Just leave the motif there and award it either when one completes Silver OR gets to the level gate. If the book gets unbound then I guess players grinding disposable characters to 40 to get it would be the only way someone in my position would be able to buy it from someone else.

Even then. If any of our characters are already above lvl 40 they'll never be able to learn the style unless using the disposable alt method. Since there is an achievement tied to reading the book I wouldn't want to get a proper character to earn the book yet never get the achievement because I had fed the book to my crafter.

Don't we get an additional character Slot next Update ? I'll read the notes again to confirm

They are making another slot available, in the Crown $tore, for purchase. Gotta love ZO$.

Shawn_PT

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Shawn_PT wrote: »

So. If I have no character slots available, all are lvl50+, but I have never completed Silver on any of them..... does that mean I'll have to delete one of my fully geared/leveled characters to make a new one to get the motif now? That's a poor decision. Just leave the motif there and award it either when one completes Silver OR gets to the level gate. If the book gets unbound then I guess players grinding disposable characters to 40 to get it would be the only way someone in my position would be able to buy it from someone else.

Even then. If any of our characters are already above lvl 40 they'll never be able to learn the style unless using the disposable alt method. Since there is an achievement tied to reading the book I wouldn't want to get a proper character to earn the book yet never get the achievement because I had fed the book to my crafter.

Don't we get an additional character Slot next Update ? I'll read the notes again to confirm

For free? So basically I'll have to BUY another character slot to create a disposable character which will then be grinded to lvl 40 to get the book for my crafter... and then I'll delete it and start anew and grind to 40 to get the second book for my second alt... and so on...? I guess the issue here is the word BUY. Of course they don't care if we bot/grind. But they do care if we BUY another slot.

Aliyavana

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

I just hope I can claim all these benefits on my lvl 50

It's not retroactive, u need to regrind

Thannazzar

TBH I've only ever sent this style used for 1h swords as they resemble Katana's. And that's going to be rendered moot when the Tscevi Akaviri motif is released so not fussed about this being given away.

Aliyavana

Thannazzar wrote: »

TBH I've only ever sent this style used for 1h swords as they resemble Katana's. And that's going to be rendered moot when the Tscevi Akaviri motif is released so not fussed about this being given away.

The axes are also badass scythes

jlboozer

Thannazzar wrote: »

TBH I've only ever sent this style used for 1h swords as they resemble Katana's. And that's going to be rendered moot when the Tscevi Akaviri motif is released so not fussed about this being given away.

The Soul Shriven one handed axes are the best looking in ESO imo, everybody doesn't have the same taste as you. I spent alot of time doing silver just so my nightblade could have them, and now everybody is just handed the motif. It is kinda disappointing tbh...they should atleast give us something else as compensation for our wasted time.

Kiralyn2000

aliyavana wrote: »

Ohtimbar wrote: »

I'm glad future crafters won't have to suffer through the cadwell nonsense. Good for them.

Yes but what of the crafters that invested time into a crafter reward? And now it's being handed out like a participation trophy. Work cult would be a nice incentive

This is an MMO. "Experience may change."

Just like an old raid getting patched easier in WoW ("How dare they let other people get the shiny shoulder pads that I worked my a** off for!" cry the whiny raiders), your class/gear set (which you worked so hard to perfect) getting nerfed, or that zone that you loved getting nuked by a storyline shift (Cataclysm, whee)....

...things change. Congrats that you had the "pride"/whatever of having that thing for the last few years. It's not forever. That's MMOs. /shrug

Aliyavana

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Ohtimbar wrote: »

I'm glad future crafters won't have to suffer through the cadwell nonsense. Good for them.

Yes but what of the crafters that invested time into a crafter reward? And now it's being handed out like a participation trophy. Work cult would be a nice incentive

This is an MMO. "Experience may change."

Just like an old raid getting patched easier in WoW ("How dare they let other people get the shiny shoulder pads that I worked my a** off for!" cry the whiny raiders), your class/gear set (which you worked so hard to perfect) getting nerfed, or that zone that you loved getting nuked by a storyline shift (Cataclysm, whee)....

...things change. Congrats that you had the "pride"/whatever of having that thing for the last few years. It's not forever. That's MMOs. /shrug

Should I remind you that your wow takes away the opportunity to get rare mounts as things get easier and the new gear tier gets bigger and stronger, leaving the older dungeons of that expansion easier? The motif will always be there for silver, like wow players need to put up time like the rest of us instead of expecting free handouts. The story is amazing and questing isn't difficult so if a player wants to be lazy he should accept he will never get it.

"Congrats that you had the "pride"/whatever of having that thing for the last few years. It's not forever. That's MMOs. /shrug" good thing when I played wow, blizzard didn't cater to players free handouts attitude and I was able to show of my now unobtainable mounts for completing content when it was current.

driosketch

Has anyone else actually been able to test this on PTS?

I raised a character to level 40 and got a Motif Box. I couldn't bank it or put it in house storage. When I used it, it dissappeared but didn't give me a Soulshriven book. It also didn't add anything to collections, crafting knowledge or outfits as far as I can tell.

Vimora

driosketch wrote: »

Has anyone else actually been able to test this on PTS?

I raised a character to level 40 and got a Motif Box. I couldn't bank it or put it in house storage. When I used it, it dissappeared but didn't give me a Soulshriven book. It also didn't add anything to collections, crafting knowledge or outfits as far as I can tell.

I didn't have the same experience, tbh. I didn't test it and it didn't do anything.

Chilly-McFreeze

Shawn_PT wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Shawn_PT wrote: »

So. If I have no character slots available, all are lvl50+, but I have never completed Silver on any of them..... does that mean I'll have to delete one of my fully geared/leveled characters to make a new one to get the motif now? That's a poor decision. Just leave the motif there and award it either when one completes Silver OR gets to the level gate. If the book gets unbound then I guess players grinding disposable characters to 40 to get it would be the only way someone in my position would be able to buy it from someone else.

Even then. If any of our characters are already above lvl 40 they'll never be able to learn the style unless using the disposable alt method. Since there is an achievement tied to reading the book I wouldn't want to get a proper character to earn the book yet never get the achievement because I had fed the book to my crafter.

Don't we get an additional character Slot next Update ? I'll read the notes again to confirm

For free? So basically I'll have to BUY another character slot to create a disposable character which will then be grinded to lvl 40 to get the book for my crafter... and then I'll delete it and start anew and grind to 40 to get the second book for my second alt... and so on...? I guess the issue here is the word BUY. Of course they don't care if we bot/grind. But they do care if we BUY another slot.

Ah, I Must have forgotten how ZOS Never handles such things without a catch. Thanks for the reminder.

Vimora

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Shawn_PT wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Shawn_PT wrote: »

So. If I have no character slots available, all are lvl50+, but I have never completed Silver on any of them..... does that mean I'll have to delete one of my fully geared/leveled characters to make a new one to get the motif now? That's a poor decision. Just leave the motif there and award it either when one completes Silver OR gets to the level gate. If the book gets unbound then I guess players grinding disposable characters to 40 to get it would be the only way someone in my position would be able to buy it from someone else.

Even then. If any of our characters are already above lvl 40 they'll never be able to learn the style unless using the disposable alt method. Since there is an achievement tied to reading the book I wouldn't want to get a proper character to earn the book yet never get the achievement because I had fed the book to my crafter.

Don't we get an additional character Slot next Update ? I'll read the notes again to confirm

For free? So basically I'll have to BUY another character slot to create a disposable character which will then be grinded to lvl 40 to get the book for my crafter... and then I'll delete it and start anew and grind to 40 to get the second book for my second alt... and so on...? I guess the issue here is the word BUY. Of course they don't care if we bot/grind. But they do care if we BUY another slot.

Ah, I Must have forgotten how ZOS Never handles such things without a catch. Thanks for the reminder.

You guys should drop ESO and come with me to play BDO.

THEN, you would know what a greedy developer looks like. THEN, you would realize that ZOS is a gift from Heaven.

Seriously, I have my issues with ZOS, but I've played so many games, just so many games, and ZOS is the friendliest developer I know. I am not a sycophant, I despise them, but if I ever return to this game, ZOS will be a huge factor that plays into it.

driosketch

Vimora wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Has anyone else actually been able to test this on PTS?

I raised a character to level 40 and got a Motif Box. I couldn't bank it or put it in house storage. When I used it, it dissappeared but didn't give me a Soulshriven book. It also didn't add anything to collections, crafting knowledge or outfits as far as I can tell.

I didn't have the same experience, tbh. I didn't test it and it didn't do anything.

Wait, if you didn't test it, how do you know it doesn't do anything? And if it didn't, then you did have the same experience as me.

Bax

Isn't that one of those once per account rewards? Meaning that if somebody wants soul shriven for more than one character, they would still need to finish silver, right? Or is there new silver reward instead?

Asardes

The main issue with the Soul Shriven book is not being bankable: it's inventory bound. Meaning if you have a char at 50 you want to learn it on you'll not be able to until you do Cadwell's Silver (if they keep that reward too). IMO the best solution would be to grant the motif retroactively to all characters at level 40 or above who have not yet learned it and add another account bound collectible for finishing Silver, also granted retroactively. This was the way they introduced them with the DB patch: my 1st char had done both Silver and Gold and received both the book and the hat the day the patch dropped.

Aliyavana

Please move to the pts forum as this thread will die here

Katahdin

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we please get an answer on whether this is being removed as a Cadwell silver reward characters that are are ready are ready level 50?

Aliyavana

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

Katahdin

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

This is a good idea and is a more relevant reward imo

DirkRavenclaw

Amadis001 wrote: »

I don’t mind giving Soul Shriven to noobs. But I really don’t like not having an interesting reward for Cadwell’s Silver. If there is nothing for that now, it’s a real bummer.

Exactly, in the moment i mention Deadra, i get to hear, yes please yesterday twice

I_killed_Vivec

I was given Soul Shriven retrospectively for having completed Cadwell's long before it came out.

I don't mind them giving it out as a reward for lvl 40, but to be fair it must be given retrospectively to people who have started Silver and now cannot get it (without creating alts).

And I don't mind them giving a new reward for Silver/Gold, but only if it is retrospective again (in particular I don't want a new motif rewarding Silver if I can't get it on my main crafter who has already completed Silver and Gold).

In general I'm against "special" rewards being handed out if they aren't retrospective, if two people experience the same game in the same way then their rewards should be the same.