Soul shriven motif is being devalued error in notes

Oakmontowls_ESO

I would rather them get a choice of the purple motif books (daedric, primal, ancient elf) since the suggestion of the op would limit soul shriven to 1 motif per account.

Mystrius_Archaion

Most people don't use it anyway.
I, for one, do not like looking homeless or like I got my armor from a zombie or the trash. I doubt anybody used it anyway except because of rarity due to the work required, as if people would be impressed by "I worked so hard to look like I just threw on any old junk".

I really don't care that it is being awarded from the level advisor versus Cadwell's Silver.

Wreuntzylla

If you don't like PvE or PvP, the requirements to do either should be minimal for enjoying the content you favor.

The soul shriven motif was added as reward well after release. Many of my alts simply received it in the mail. Why did I have alts that completed silver? Back then, you could not go to all three alliance territories without completing silver. Similarly, you could not go to any other alliance until you completed the main quest line.

They removed all the prerequisites for traveling to foreign lands to accommodate the 'play as you want' crowd. Now they are moving the reward down a bit so that you can get it even if you have no interest in helping any other alliance or PvE in general. I don't see a problem with that.

This reminds me of all the whining from PvPers when they severely nerfed the amount of AP required to max the alliance skills, and again when they buffed the amount of AP you receive in PvP. PvE folks needed vigor and (at that time) barrier. I did not have a problem with making it easier for PvE'rs who did not like PvP.

I craft to fuel the enjoyment my friends and I have in PvP. I do not like running the same content over and over for gear or whatever else motivates PvE play. In exchange for nerfing AP requirements, ZoS helped me out by providing impen monster helms for AP. I was ecstatic, I could get what I needed without doing something I don't particularly enjoy. The PvE folks wailed incessantly.

Dropping a motif that improves your chance for master writs is a good thing for both PvE'rs and PvPers. I say this even though the change won't help me at all. I've played this game for too long for it to matter.

ForgeMother

RPGrenade wrote: »

I don't agree that the motif being handed out "devalues" what people did to get it, because they had it for much longer and still accomplished the things for themselves, but I do think it might be nice to see a new Cadwell's Silver reward in place of the motif. Not something that would require people with max characters who might have done it a bunch of times to do it again, but just something to make the quest completion more rewarding. Maybe increased gold for the quest, or an experience scroll to help people doing it for the first time catch up on CP during Cadwell's Gold.

I agree with this, I'm not personally hurt that the reward I worked for is being given out (though I get why others are). But for me it's more from the perspective of other players doing silver in the future. Their reward for completing a really long questline is a motif that they were already given for free at level 40 and is account bound so they can't even sell it (not that it would sell to begin with since everyone else who levels will now be getting it for free as well). That's a bit ridiculous. I don't want something crazy for the silver reward but it should be SOMETHING of value.

Wreuntzylla

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

Katahdin wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

This is a good idea and is a more relevant reward imo

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

I would rather them get a choice of the purple motif books (daedric, primal, ancient elf) since the suggestion of the op would limit soul shriven to 1 motif per account.

With all due respect, this is a silly idea. These motifs go for peanuts on guild traders. This weekend, while farming urns for furniture recipes, I received probably 5-6 of each. Might as well give level 40 players 100 of each style stone for the alliance motifs, at least that would be somewhat useful.

Katahdin

The biggest issue I have with this is if they remove it from Cad's silver so that my level 50s that have not yet completed silver can never get it. That isn't right, unless they make it one time per account only and not tradeable.

Colecovision

Is the reward motif account bound or character? Is it bankable? I'm not done with Caldwells silver on my main and finished level 40 seven months ago. I'm going to finish Caldwell's Silver either way, but I need to be able to have some path the the motif for my main. I don't really care which path I need to take, just that there still is one.

Aliyavana

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

Katahdin wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

This is a good idea and is a more relevant reward imo

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

I would rather them get a choice of the purple motif books (daedric, primal, ancient elf) since the suggestion of the op would limit soul shriven to 1 motif per account.

With all due respect, this is a silly idea. These motifs go for peanuts on guild traders. This weekend, while farming urns for furniture recipes, I received probably 5-6 of each. Might as well give level 40 players 100 of each style stone for the alliance motifs, at least that would be somewhat useful.

So why should they go with the silly idea of handing out a motif you have to earn instead of giving them a classic motif? Lvl 40 alot of seedlings can get just by dolmen grinding, how is it fair to get anything more than primal or daedric?

Aliyavana

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

If you don't like PvE or PvP, the requirements to do either should be minimal for enjoying the content you favor.

The soul shriven motif was added as reward well after release. Many of my alts simply received it in the mail. Why did I have alts that completed silver? Back then, you could not go to all three alliance territories without completing silver. Similarly, you could not go to any other alliance until you completed the main quest line.

They removed all the prerequisites for traveling to foreign lands to accommodate the 'play as you want' crowd. Now they are moving the reward down a bit so that you can get it even if you have no interest in helping any other alliance or PvE in general. I don't see a problem with that.

This reminds me of all the whining from PvPers when they severely nerfed the amount of AP required to max the alliance skills, and again when they buffed the amount of AP you receive in PvP. PvE folks needed vigor and (at that time) barrier. I did not have a problem with making it easier for PvE'rs who did not like PvP.

I craft to fuel the enjoyment my friends and I have in PvP. I do not like running the same content over and over for gear or whatever else motivates PvE play. In exchange for nerfing AP requirements, ZoS helped me out by providing impen monster helms for AP. I was ecstatic, I could get what I needed without doing something I don't particularly enjoy. The PvE folks wailed incessantly.

Dropping a motif that improves your chance for master writs is a good thing for both PvE'rs and PvPers. I say this even though the change won't help me at all. I've played this game for too long for it to matter.

Ok so am evening of dolmen grinding should get you a motif that requires a time investment? Devalues it completly

Wreuntzylla

aliyavana wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

Katahdin wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

This is a good idea and is a more relevant reward imo

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

I would rather them get a choice of the purple motif books (daedric, primal, ancient elf) since the suggestion of the op would limit soul shriven to 1 motif per account.

With all due respect, this is a silly idea. These motifs go for peanuts on guild traders. This weekend, while farming urns for furniture recipes, I received probably 5-6 of each. Might as well give level 40 players 100 of each style stone for the alliance motifs, at least that would be somewhat useful.

So why should they go with the silly idea of handing out a motif you have to earn instead of giving them a classic motif? Lvl 40 alot of seedlings can get just by dolmen grinding, how is it fair to get anything more than primal or daedric?

The point of my first post is that it was a reward introduced because you essentially had to PvE through silver and gold. If you can't go to other alliances, you can't have access to their guild traders. From an EP perspective, you had to complete silver to use the merchants in Rawl Kha, because that's where the most prolific trade guilds were. You had to finish Gold to get to Wayrest trade guilds, but they were not as important as Mournhold and rawl 'Kha (early on, it's different now).

They removed those constraints. So now the only reason to PvE is either if you want to or if you need the motif. A reward should never be the reason to complete content. The content should be good enough to be its own reward. By moving it to level 40, ZoS continues the trend of not forcing people to do those things they don't want to do.

Edit: Should never be the sole reason to complete content.

Ydrisselle

Yeah, I'm also curious what will happen with this motif. I'm a fairly new player, with only one toon, who is lvl45 right now. I'm definitely not fast enough to finish Cadwell's Silver before the patch, and I would hate to miss this motif completely with her.

Wreuntzylla

aliyavana wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

If you don't like PvE or PvP, the requirements to do either should be minimal for enjoying the content you favor.

The soul shriven motif was added as reward well after release. Many of my alts simply received it in the mail. Why did I have alts that completed silver? Back then, you could not go to all three alliance territories without completing silver. Similarly, you could not go to any other alliance until you completed the main quest line.

They removed all the prerequisites for traveling to foreign lands to accommodate the 'play as you want' crowd. Now they are moving the reward down a bit so that you can get it even if you have no interest in helping any other alliance or PvE in general. I don't see a problem with that.

This reminds me of all the whining from PvPers when they severely nerfed the amount of AP required to max the alliance skills, and again when they buffed the amount of AP you receive in PvP. PvE folks needed vigor and (at that time) barrier. I did not have a problem with making it easier for PvE'rs who did not like PvP.

I craft to fuel the enjoyment my friends and I have in PvP. I do not like running the same content over and over for gear or whatever else motivates PvE play. In exchange for nerfing AP requirements, ZoS helped me out by providing impen monster helms for AP. I was ecstatic, I could get what I needed without doing something I don't particularly enjoy. The PvE folks wailed incessantly.

Dropping a motif that improves your chance for master writs is a good thing for both PvE'rs and PvPers. I say this even though the change won't help me at all. I've played this game for too long for it to matter.

Ok so am evening of dolmen grinding should get you a motif that requires a time investment? Devalues it completly

You can either buy every other motif off a guild trader or through the Crown store. Does that devalue every other motif completely? I can make 100,000 gold a day in a couple of hours...

I'm not saying the reward shouldn't be replaced, but it should be replaced with something that doesn't block other content. Like a skin or something.

Taleof2Cities

TO CLARIFY A LOT OF MISINFORMATION IN THIS THREAD NOT RELATED TO THE OP'S ARGUMENT:

- There will be an extra character spot (#15) available for all players ... including those who want to experience the skill level system and rewards on a new character but already have 14 vet toons.

- Rewards will not be applied retroactively.

- Collectible rewards (not consumables and gear) are account-wide. You can only earn them once per account while leveling a new character. This includes the costume, crown crates, and horse.

- The soul shriven motif is a consumable. As currently proposed by ZOS in the PTS patch notes, each new character that reaches level 40 will earn the soul shriven motif.


The patch notes make no mention of what happens to characters level 40 or above who fail to complete Cadwell's Silver before the February patch drop. But, all the other points above are clear.

Aliyavana

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

Katahdin wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please replace the lvl 40 reward with a choice between primal, ancient elf, and daedric

This is a good idea and is a more relevant reward imo

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

I would rather them get a choice of the purple motif books (daedric, primal, ancient elf) since the suggestion of the op would limit soul shriven to 1 motif per account.

With all due respect, this is a silly idea. These motifs go for peanuts on guild traders. This weekend, while farming urns for furniture recipes, I received probably 5-6 of each. Might as well give level 40 players 100 of each style stone for the alliance motifs, at least that would be somewhat useful.

So why should they go with the silly idea of handing out a motif you have to earn instead of giving them a classic motif? Lvl 40 alot of seedlings can get just by dolmen grinding, how is it fair to get anything more than primal or daedric?

The point of my first post is that it was a reward introduced because you essentially had to PvE through silver and gold. If you can't go to other alliances, you can't have access to their guild traders. From an EP perspective, you had to complete silver to use the merchants in Rawl Kha, because that's where the most prolific trade guilds were. You had to finish Gold to get to Wayrest trade guilds, but they were not as important as Mournhold and rawl 'Kha (early on, it's different now).

They removed those constraints. So now the only reason to PvE is either if you want to or if you need the motif. A reward should never be the reason to complete content. The content should be good enough to be its own reward. By moving it to level 40, ZoS continues the trend of not forcing people to do those things they don't want to do.

Edit: Should never be the sole reason to complete content.

@Alcast @Nifty2g how would you feel if the dro mathra skin was handed out like candy because someone felt that running the content is its own reward?

I disagree and will say that before cadwells lot reward and the motif reward existed the rewards were underwhelming necklaces... if you were here back then you remember those that complained about the journey's lack of reward.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

If you don't like PvE or PvP, the requirements to do either should be minimal for enjoying the content you favor.

The soul shriven motif was added as reward well after release. Many of my alts simply received it in the mail. Why did I have alts that completed silver? Back then, you could not go to all three alliance territories without completing silver. Similarly, you could not go to any other alliance until you completed the main quest line.

They removed all the prerequisites for traveling to foreign lands to accommodate the 'play as you want' crowd. Now they are moving the reward down a bit so that you can get it even if you have no interest in helping any other alliance or PvE in general. I don't see a problem with that.

This reminds me of all the whining from PvPers when they severely nerfed the amount of AP required to max the alliance skills, and again when they buffed the amount of AP you receive in PvP. PvE folks needed vigor and (at that time) barrier. I did not have a problem with making it easier for PvE'rs who did not like PvP.

I craft to fuel the enjoyment my friends and I have in PvP. I do not like running the same content over and over for gear or whatever else motivates PvE play. In exchange for nerfing AP requirements, ZoS helped me out by providing impen monster helms for AP. I was ecstatic, I could get what I needed without doing something I don't particularly enjoy. The PvE folks wailed incessantly.

Dropping a motif that improves your chance for master writs is a good thing for both PvE'rs and PvPers. I say this even though the change won't help me at all. I've played this game for too long for it to matter.

Ok so am evening of dolmen grinding should get you a motif that requires a time investment? Devalues it completly

You can either buy every other motif off a guild trader or through the Crown store. Does that devalue every other motif completely? I can make 100,000 gold a day in a couple of hours...

I'm not saying the reward shouldn't be replaced, but it should be replaced with something that doesn't block other content. Like a skin or something.

Gold is good to buy motifs with and some require a significant investment of gold like bouyant arminger.

I agree however that we need proper compensation

Aliyavana

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

TO CLARIFY A LOT OF MISINFORMATION IN THIS THREAD NOT RELATED TO THE OP'S ARGUMENT:

- There will be an extra character spot (#15) available for all players ... including those who want to experience the skill level system and rewards on a new character but already have 14 vet toons.

- Rewards will not be applied retroactively.

- Collectible rewards (not consumables and gear) are account-wide. You can only earn them once per account while leveling a new character. This includes the costume, crown crates, and horse.

- The soul shriven motif is a consumable. As currently proposed by ZOS in the PTS patch notes, each new character that reaches level 40 will earn the soul shriven motif.


The patch notes make no mention of what happens to characters level 40 or above who fail to complete Cadwell's Silver before the February patch drop. But, all the other points above are clear.

Went ahead and pinned this

Saturnana

@ZOS_GinaBruno
After reading all of the concerns on this thread; wouldn't it be easier to hand out something other than the Soul Shriven motif for lvl 40 (Worm Cult, or a set of the purple Daedric/Ancient Elf/etc. for instance) and just leave Cadwell's Silver as is? That way nothing changes for the crafters who are working towards - or have just received - the Soul Shriven motif, and players will be rewarded for leveling their new character with something that doesn't devalue someone else's hard work.

IRDeja

My crafter is already into CP level, and hasn't finished Silver yet, so if this is inventory bound, how am I ever gonna get this on my crafter? He is also my tank, so solo questing takes a long time.

Nocturnal_Annoyance

I think instead of giving out the soul shriven motif, the level advisor should give the motif book for whatever alliance the character is. That way it's still something gold and shiny and they can leave soul shriven where it is (and where it needs to remain).

Saturnana

Nocturnal_Annoyance wrote: »

I think instead of giving out the soul shriven motif, the level advisor should give the motif book for whatever alliance the character is. That way it's still something gold and shiny and they can leave soul shriven where it is (and where it needs to remain).

That's actually a really cool solution!

SilvaFae

jssriot wrote: »

This is what making me really salty about this:

BEFORE:

--you had to complete the main Quest, Coldharbour and the 5 main quests for the next faction to get Soul Shriven
--When it was introduced, it was a RETRO ACTIVE reward, so anyone who had done all that work previously got it

NOW WITH THE LVL ADVISER:

--you can grind dolmens, get skyreach carries or use a bot train*** until you hit lv 40, so you basically don't even need to play the game at all
--it's NOT retroactive, so that new toon you leveled to 50 over the New Life event will still need to do Cadlwell's Silver to get it. Say hi to all the bot trains leveling up people's toons for the adviser rewards while you're at it.

"But it's an ugly motif, no one cares, wah wah wah"

1) Some of the weapon models are quite popular, especially the sword, bow, staff and battle axe
2) you get an achievement for learning this motif that counts towards earning master writs
3) I repeat, YOU GET AN ACHIEVEMENT FOR IT THAT COUNTS TOWARDS EARNING MASTER WRITS

Pay attention to #2/#3. I repeated for it a reason. I'm gonna rant for a sec, bear with me:

One of the things that really attracted me to ESO was its promise of a very involved crafting system tat requires players to really invest time in order to acquire crafting skills. Then when they added the master writs, they said--ZOS SAID THIS--that it was a system designed for people who INVESTED the time and effort into the crafters. While just given away a full motif that comes with it its own, full achievement that counts towards earning more master writs may not matter to many who haven't invested in a master crafter so far, but to me, who has, it's a very worrying sign that in the very near future ZOS is going to be chipping away at this aspect of the game and making it much easier, and probably monetizing along the way, to get a master crafter and master writs. I see things like Trait Tokens, Crown Inspiration Scrolls, Crown Master Writs and the like in the future. And no, I don't want that. I know a lot of people do because they lazy and the way ZOS is taking the game, less and less progression is being asked of the players, so now players are resenting any progression is any form. But as someone who happily spent the time making a crafter, who really enjoyed it and got a real sense of progression and accomplishment from it, I think this is a very bad downgrade for the game and community.

If they do just end up watering down the crafting system, then honestly, part of me is glad that I seen the end in sight of my own goal of mastering end-game content so I can leave this game and not deal with ZOS' drama anymore. Adding more content isn't want keeps players like me around--it's giving us something to work at and get good at--and being rewarded for it--because that's what's fun for us. You don't get good when things that are just given to you for hanging around dolmens and soaking up the XP (or hiring a bot runner to level your toon***). But that seems to be the kind of player this game is being geared toward more and more.

*** Yeah, yeah, I know, bots aren't "legal" but given how slow ZOS is to respond to them, more than few people will be farming these awards with bots--and I suspect for the crates in particular since crown gems are account-wide--so expect a real uptick in them.

I agree and am very upset with #2&#3. A big part of my gameplay is crafting and working towards master crafters on many of my toons. Now for the two that I just leveled above 40, Im going to have to complete Silver to get the achievement whereas new people wont have to put in as much time as me for those two. I find this very frustrating because these crafting achievements affect getting Master Writs. If this issue of not getting the motif retroactively only affected my achievement score and nothing else Id shrug it off. But it significantly affects my gameplay and puts me at a disadvantage to my toons who I have invested a lot of time into their crafting. I invested so much to earn the master writs which is then a big part of how I make money ingame. This is another step in devaluing dedicated crafters and dedicated longterm players

So please ZOS, make the soul shriven motif retroactive or now obtainable in some other fair way that doesnt require grinding to Silver!

Highlor3

ForgeMother wrote: »

Soul shriven does make sense for a second motif to be given out to everyone - but yeah I'm a little bummed that it isn't apparently being replaced with anything for silver. Silver and Gold is a significantly long quest line. There should be a reward for completing it. Even if it's not another motif I hope they replace it with something.

My suggestion for a new Cadwell's Silver reward: The Prophet's Robe costume.

CromulentForumID

aliyavana wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

If you don't like PvE or PvP, the requirements to do either should be minimal for enjoying the content you favor.

The soul shriven motif was added as reward well after release. Many of my alts simply received it in the mail. Why did I have alts that completed silver? Back then, you could not go to all three alliance territories without completing silver. Similarly, you could not go to any other alliance until you completed the main quest line.

They removed all the prerequisites for traveling to foreign lands to accommodate the 'play as you want' crowd. Now they are moving the reward down a bit so that you can get it even if you have no interest in helping any other alliance or PvE in general. I don't see a problem with that.

This reminds me of all the whining from PvPers when they severely nerfed the amount of AP required to max the alliance skills, and again when they buffed the amount of AP you receive in PvP. PvE folks needed vigor and (at that time) barrier. I did not have a problem with making it easier for PvE'rs who did not like PvP.

I craft to fuel the enjoyment my friends and I have in PvP. I do not like running the same content over and over for gear or whatever else motivates PvE play. In exchange for nerfing AP requirements, ZoS helped me out by providing impen monster helms for AP. I was ecstatic, I could get what I needed without doing something I don't particularly enjoy. The PvE folks wailed incessantly.

Dropping a motif that improves your chance for master writs is a good thing for both PvE'rs and PvPers. I say this even though the change won't help me at all. I've played this game for too long for it to matter.

Ok so am evening of dolmen grinding should get you a motif that requires a time investment? Devalues it completly

It's also completely devalued if the person who gets it has no interest in crafting. This is a whole lot of angst over a motif. Is getting this motif really the "prestige" part of completing Silver? I would think it's the skyshards and skill points, and content.

Aliyavana

CromulentForumID wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

If you don't like PvE or PvP, the requirements to do either should be minimal for enjoying the content you favor.

The soul shriven motif was added as reward well after release. Many of my alts simply received it in the mail. Why did I have alts that completed silver? Back then, you could not go to all three alliance territories without completing silver. Similarly, you could not go to any other alliance until you completed the main quest line.

They removed all the prerequisites for traveling to foreign lands to accommodate the 'play as you want' crowd. Now they are moving the reward down a bit so that you can get it even if you have no interest in helping any other alliance or PvE in general. I don't see a problem with that.

This reminds me of all the whining from PvPers when they severely nerfed the amount of AP required to max the alliance skills, and again when they buffed the amount of AP you receive in PvP. PvE folks needed vigor and (at that time) barrier. I did not have a problem with making it easier for PvE'rs who did not like PvP.

I craft to fuel the enjoyment my friends and I have in PvP. I do not like running the same content over and over for gear or whatever else motivates PvE play. In exchange for nerfing AP requirements, ZoS helped me out by providing impen monster helms for AP. I was ecstatic, I could get what I needed without doing something I don't particularly enjoy. The PvE folks wailed incessantly.

Dropping a motif that improves your chance for master writs is a good thing for both PvE'rs and PvPers. I say this even though the change won't help me at all. I've played this game for too long for it to matter.

Ok so am evening of dolmen grinding should get you a motif that requires a time investment? Devalues it completly

It's also completely devalued if the person who gets it has no interest in crafting. This is a whole lot of angst over a motif. Is getting this motif really the "prestige" part of completing Silver? I would think it's the skyshards and skill points, and content.

Ok cool, then go ahead and toss the motif aside, this is a discussion of rewards being devalued by being given out like candy and not whether or not you have use for it. Shards, skillpoints, and content are no longer exclusive to cadwells with the introduction of one tamriel, the only way to prove you did the effort is the motif, the hat, and the title you get for completing base game quests. Do I wear the pot hat or the title? No, do I think it's devalued because of it? Nope! They are always there optionally to prove I did the content.

Rewards for hard work being given out like a participation trophy are not good for the game

starkerealm

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Ohtimbar wrote: »

I'm glad future crafters won't have to suffer through the cadwell nonsense. Good for them.

Yes but what of the crafters that invested time into a crafter reward? And now it's being handed out like a participation trophy. Work cult would be a nice incentive

This is an MMO. "Experience may change."

Just like an old raid getting patched easier in WoW ("How dare they let other people get the shiny shoulder pads that I worked my a** off for!" cry the whiny raiders), your class/gear set (which you worked so hard to perfect) getting nerfed, or that zone that you loved getting nuked by a storyline shift (Cataclysm, whee)....

...things change. Congrats that you had the "pride"/whatever of having that thing for the last few years. It's not forever. That's MMOs. /shrug

No, this is about permanently locking characters out of an achievement because they reached 50, but didn't finish New Game+.

Again, there is a Soul Shriven style master achievement. Unless you specifically grind an alt to 40 repeatedly, as suggested elsewhere, you will be permanently locked out of obtaining that achievement on any character who reached level 40 without completing Cadwell's Silver (which, let's be honest here, is the vast majority of level 40+ characters.)

Fun trivia, on the PTS right now, it even says that the Soul Shriven Motif is awarded for finishing Silver. So, if this goes through as is, there's going to be some very confused people down the line.

Asardes

Let's reiterate this: characters that hit 50 but haven't done Silver will be potentially locked out of a motif. That's the part that bothers me. Any extra motif will increase the chances of getting master writs from daily ordinary writs. No character should ever be locked out of an achievement. So either keep it at reward also for Silver, or give another reward for Silver and give it retroactively to all characters who have hit 40.

GimpyPorcupine

Asardes wrote: »

Let's reiterate this: characters that hit 50 but haven't done Silver will be potentially locked out of a motif. That's the part that bothers me. Any extra motif will increase the chances of getting master writs from daily ordinary writs. No character should ever be locked out of an achievement. So either keep it at reward also for Silver, or give another reward for Silver and give it retroactively to all characters who have hit 40.

And retroactively give the new Silver reward to characters who have already completed it.

Aliyavana

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Let's reiterate this: characters that hit 50 but haven't done Silver will be potentially locked out of a motif. That's the part that bothers me. Any extra motif will increase the chances of getting master writs from daily ordinary writs. No character should ever be locked out of an achievement. So either keep it at reward also for Silver, or give another reward for Silver and give it retroactively to all characters who have hit 40.

And retroactively give the new Silver reward to characters who have already completed it.

^ a new good silver reward

Highlor3

Another suggestion: give Crafting Motif 10: Imperial Style instead of Crafting Motif 29: Soul-Shriven Style as a Lvl. 40 reward.

Asardes

Highlor3 wrote: »

Another suggestion: give Crafting Motif 10: Imperial Style instead of Crafting Motif 29: Soul-Shriven Style as a Lvl. 40 reward.

But Imperial chars will receive nothing, since they know the motif already. I agree that Soul Shriven should be gifted to level 40 characters, that's not the problem.

Ashdroid

I was just about to start Cadwell's Silver, but now I don't know if I should hold off for a while or rush through it. Hopefully there will be a replacement reward, for either one.