Stop the defensive notifications

Sheuib

I am playing my sniper build and doing good with it but there is one thing that a sniper depends on is getting that first hit and putting the target on the defensive. I was stealthing along and find a guy sitting on his horse. No one else around him. When I fire my first snipe he dodge rolls off the horse before it even gets close to him. I was so disheartened by the obvious display of an addon telling him to dodge roll that I didn't even feel like continuing the fight.

I know this has been discussed before but like everything if people don't complain about it enough they will never fix it. And, for the people that use this type of stuff l2p.

Taylor_MB

Just be mindful it's not always Miat's.

I was enjoying my horse simulator in Cyrodiil the other day when out in the middle of nowhere with no NPCs around I get combat music! Immediately pop wings anticipating a snipe gank but it never materializes. Maybe I just went out of snipes range while it was charging? Or just a music bug? *shrugs*

Anyway, Miat's sucks, but I wouldn't immediately assume that is the cause. Especially if they were stationary, a change in music would be highly obvious.

ToRelax

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Just be mindful it's not always Miat's.

I was enjoying my horse simulator in Cyrodiil the other day when out in the middle of nowhere with no NPCs around I get combat music! Immediately pop wings anticipating a snipe gank but it never materializes. Maybe I just went out of snipes range while it was charging? Or just a music bug? *shrugs*

Anyway, Miat's sucks, but I wouldn't immediately assume that is the cause. Especially if they were stationary, a change in music would be highly obvious.

Usually you can hear the change in music even before the Snipe is released, they might as well have held it back when you reacted so early.
Personally, I hate how players can just stay in stealth after firing, I have to purposely let myself be hit in order to expose and kill bow gankers.

Animus-ESO

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Just be mindful it's not always Miat's.

I was enjoying my horse simulator in Cyrodiil the other day when out in the middle of nowhere with no NPCs around I get combat music! Immediately pop wings anticipating a snipe gank but it never materializes. Maybe I just went out of snipes range while it was charging? Or just a music bug? *shrugs*

Anyway, Miat's sucks, but I wouldn't immediately assume that is the cause. Especially if they were stationary, a change in music would be highly obvious.

Also snipe is one of the loudest abilities in the *** game man, I can hear that *** miles away and I'm partially deaf.. I don't need miats to tell me when im getting snipped. If you can't hear it go off you need to turn your sound up.

Neloth

Well, on the one hand ZoS recently achieved really nice balance to Nightblade (both stam and mag) ganking: they still have one of the best burst available in game, but nowadays you can't one-shot competent player from stealth in 0.5 seconds, providing zero counter play to them.

On the other hand, as long as builds like blob's ganksorc exist I personally think that miat's is fine and don't have to be removed.

Personally I will uninstall miats a moment when all those skyrim-online builds go away, since I barely use it when engaged in intense combat.

ak_pvp

Wah wah miats is skill-less l2p.

Proceeds to use skill-less ganky snipe build.

L2P.

Also, inb4 salty miats user. No, I don't use it. I never bothered to install, and too many addons hurts fps.

Subversus

ak_pvp wrote: »

Wah wah miats is skill-less l2p.

Proceeds to use skill-less ganky snipe build.

L2P.

Also, inb4 salty miats user. No, I don't use it. I never bothered to install, and too many addons hurts fps.

The skill in ganking never came from the actual kill but from escaping the agro you pull after you get the kill.

Derra

ToRelax wrote: »

Personally, I hate how players can just stay in stealth after firing, I have to purposely let myself be hit in order to expose and kill bow gankers.

SO much this.

You should not be able to stay in sneak after attacking.

Edziu

but mostly its miats

I had not only once situation when I was shotting skills which you cant hear and you cant see it as its 20m bahind you while you now are in fight with someone
its just pathetic
just shoting with bow heavy attacks and poison arrow bahind this guy and from stealth and what? ofc insta dodge while this 2nd guy wasnt attacking my target, just was in defense mode
or someone escaping, also over 20m away in back to me and what? every beut every my attacks is dodged even those hard noticable attack while this retarted cheater dont see me and any of my attacks which are behind him like just bow heavya ttacks or spectral bow

caeliusstarbreaker

Edziu wrote: »

but mostly its miats

I had not only once situation when I was shotting skills which you cant hear and you cant see it as its 20m bahind you while you now are in fight with someone
its just pathetic
just shoting with bow heavy attacks and poison arrow bahind this guy and from stealth and what? ofc insta dodge while this 2nd guy wasnt attacking my target, just was in defense mode
or someone escaping, also over 20m away in back to me and what? every beut every my attacks is dodged even those hard noticable attack while this retarted cheater dont see me and any of my attacks which are behind him like just bow heavya ttacks or spectral bow

To each their own on playstyle choices, but I did find it humorous how you said the player dodging your attack was pathetic... while sniping someone who is fighting someone else from over 20m away.

Edziu

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

but mostly its miats

I had not only once situation when I was shotting skills which you cant hear and you cant see it as its 20m bahind you while you now are in fight with someone
its just pathetic
just shoting with bow heavy attacks and poison arrow bahind this guy and from stealth and what? ofc insta dodge while this 2nd guy wasnt attacking my target, just was in defense mode
or someone escaping, also over 20m away in back to me and what? every beut every my attacks is dodged even those hard noticable attack while this retarted cheater dont see me and any of my attacks which are behind him like just bow heavya ttacks or spectral bow

To each their own on playstyle choices, but I did find it humorous how you said the player dodging your attack was pathetic... while sniping someone who is fighting someone else from over 20m away.

pathetic is this as someone wont even know about any incomming attack but this cheat is telling him someone is comming an he even dont know before what he is dodging but he is dodging it becasue this cheat is telling him to dodge it

caeliusstarbreaker

Well.. it’s not a cheat, it’s an add on, that the dev team has only now decided to remove after monitoring its effectiveness and deciding it is providing too much of an advantage/crutch/whatever maligned word you want to enter here.

Basically, and again I iterate that you are more than welcome to play however you want, I just found it humorous that you find what someone else has done, technically within the current confines of the game, as pathetic when there are many players that would view your particular admitted playstyle as pathetic.

Added: although I do see why it would be irritating for you.

Rianai

Snipe is supposed to have a clear noticeable sound, even when cast from stealth and far away, so there is no need for miats in order to dodge it. However, snipe is bugged and the sound + animation aren't displayed quite often, sometimes the shots are even completely delayed which leads to multiple snipes (seemingly) hitting at once resulting in uncounterable oneshots.
I guess miats does display bugged snipes (not sure though, because i don't use the addon myself), so it could be considered a bug fix actually ...

I wonder how many "snipers" are aware of how much they might be carried by those bugs ...

Smmokkee

Sheuib wrote: »

I am playing my sniper build and doing good with it but there is one thing that a sniper depends on is getting that first hit and putting the target on the defensive. I was stealthing along and find a guy sitting on his horse. No one else around him. When I fire my first snipe he dodge rolls off the horse before it even gets close to him. I was so disheartened by the obvious display of an addon telling him to dodge roll that I didn't even feel like continuing the fight.

I know this has been discussed before but like everything if people don't complain about it enough they will never fix it. And, for the people that use this type of stuff l2p.

I can hear snipes and react to them without seeing them. *** half the time I dodge something I didnt see it just "defensive notifications" in the brain. Haha.

Derra

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

but mostly its miats

I had not only once situation when I was shotting skills which you cant hear and you cant see it as its 20m bahind you while you now are in fight with someone
its just pathetic
just shoting with bow heavy attacks and poison arrow bahind this guy and from stealth and what? ofc insta dodge while this 2nd guy wasnt attacking my target, just was in defense mode
or someone escaping, also over 20m away in back to me and what? every beut every my attacks is dodged even those hard noticable attack while this retarted cheater dont see me and any of my attacks which are behind him like just bow heavya ttacks or spectral bow

To each their own on playstyle choices, but I did find it humorous how you said the player dodging your attack was pathetic... while sniping someone who is fighting someone else from over 20m away.

The only problem about snipe/stamina attacks is really that they don´t have the same priorized audiocue centered on the target that magica attacks have.
Overload, destructive touch, magica heavyattacks (frost fire), darkflare etc. all play a soundcue as soon as the projectile is fired/cast finished with the same intensity and volume regardless of position of the caster.
Snipe only plays a soundcue based on the position of the caster (bowstring) - meaning that being further away reduces its volume but more importantly being further away reduces the priority for the client to play it (it also plays for everyone around not only the target).
That means when you´re in a situation where you´re already fighting and someone snipes you from further away the game can "decide" not play the bowstring sound at all depending on whats going on for you. This leaves you with only the sound of the projectile (which plays ~0.5s) before it hits but is also not priorized over other soundeffects - and also not dependant on target (it will play for anyone near the snipe projectile making it impossible to tell WHO is targetted - 100% the opposite of magica attacks).

Xsorus

It’s 100% miats

I stopped playing with miats a while back because it was making me far to dependent on that addon. When it’s nerfed you’ll see a skill level drop

Derra

Xsorus wrote: »

It’s 100% miats

I stopped playing with miats a while back because it was making me far to dependent on that addon. When it’s nerfed you’ll see a skill level drop

I´m really looking forward bc all the zerglings that used to die in 1 rotation and now matrixdodge flamereach from behind will go back to being free ap

Laggus

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Just be mindful it's not always Miat's.

I was enjoying my horse simulator in Cyrodiil the other day when out in the middle of nowhere with no NPCs around I get combat music! Immediately pop wings anticipating a snipe gank but it never materializes. Maybe I just went out of snipes range while it was charging? Or just a music bug? *shrugs*

Anyway, Miat's sucks, but I wouldn't immediately assume that is the cause. Especially if they were stationary, a change in music would be highly obvious.

Also snipe is one of the loudest abilities in the *** game man, I can hear that *** miles away and I'm partially deaf.. I don't need miats to tell me when im getting snipped. If you can't hear it go off you need to turn your sound up.

Miats notifies you as soon as the skill is pressed not when its actually launched. So Snipe for example has a little over 1 sec charge time before it actually releases the arrow. Miats gives you this extra second to react. Then there's the intended actual audio cue after the launch which has a travel time before it hits you.

In summary, ZoS gives you a travel time indicator, Miats gives you the charge time notification on top of that. There's the problem. ZoS has taken a very very long time to decide to do something about it, although they have been vague, perhaps purposefully, about what exactly it is they will do or even when.

JamilaRaj

Subversus wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Wah wah miats is skill-less l2p.

Proceeds to use skill-less ganky snipe build.

L2P.

Also, inb4 salty miats user. No, I don't use it. I never bothered to install, and too many addons hurts fps.

The skill in ganking never came from the actual kill but from escaping the agro you pull after you get the kill.

Oh? You have cloak on backbar and have to swap skillfully first or something?

Nihility42

looks like Miat's should be completely broken on based on the most current PTS notes.

Minno

Nihility42 wrote: »

looks like Miat's should be completely broken on based on the most current PTS notes.

About time too.

Rainraven

We know you're there because we can hear you.

You play a sniper and don't know that but came here to tell the guy who dodged you to l2p. So much lol.

Laggus

PTS patch notes excerpt:

Addons will no longer receive BEGIN combat events in PvP areas if they target the player, and come from a hostile source.

Lucky28

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Well.. it’s not a cheat, it’s an add on, that the dev team has only now decided to remove after monitoring its effectiveness and deciding it is providing too much of an advantage/crutch/whatever maligned word you want to enter here.

Basically, and again I iterate that you are more than welcome to play however you want, I just found it humorous that you find what someone else has done, technically within the current confines of the game, as pathetic when there are many players that would view your particular admitted playstyle as pathetic.

Added: although I do see why it would be irritating for you.

come on Rhage it's an addon that literally tells you how to play the game giving you knowledge that you really shouldn't have, basically spits in the face of any real competitive/meaningful openworld PvP. tells you when to dodge when to block what attacks are coming your way stealthed or not. i really don't understand how anyone could have ever been okay with that addon existing.

Minalan

Lol @dorrino

Sorry man, now you might actually get hit by projectiles in open PVP!

Dorrino

Minalan wrote: »

Lol @dorrino

Sorry man, now you might actually get hit by projectiles in open PVP!

If i fail to react - then yep. As it always have been. Nothing changed in this regard.

Minalan

Dorrino wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lol @dorrino

Sorry man, now you might actually get hit by projectiles in open PVP!

If i fail to react - then yep. As it always have been. Nothing changed in this regard.

I’m only kidding man. I’ve got to admit, you’ve been a great sport about this.

You even took the time to basically explain why the recent ‘fix’ for your add-on was a complete failure from a development standpoint.

Dorrino

Minalan wrote: »

Dorrino wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lol @dorrino

Sorry man, now you might actually get hit by projectiles in open PVP!

If i fail to react - then yep. As it always have been. Nothing changed in this regard.

I’m only kidding man. I’ve got to admit, you’ve been a great sport about this.

You even took the time to basically explain why the recent ‘fix’ for your add-on was a complete failure from a development standpoint.

Depends on their intentions. Might be what they meant.

And last thing i want to do is to hide something. It's either needs to be 'legitimized' or changed. I'm fine either way.

Chelo

Lucky28 wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Well.. it’s not a cheat, it’s an add on, that the dev team has only now decided to remove after monitoring its effectiveness and deciding it is providing too much of an advantage/crutch/whatever maligned word you want to enter here.

Basically, and again I iterate that you are more than welcome to play however you want, I just found it humorous that you find what someone else has done, technically within the current confines of the game, as pathetic when there are many players that would view your particular admitted playstyle as pathetic.

Added: although I do see why it would be irritating for you.

come on Rhage it's an addon that literally tells you how to play the game giving you knowledge that you really shouldn't have, basically spits in the face of any real competitive/meaningful openworld PvP. tells you when to dodge when to block what attacks are coming your way stealthed or not. i really don't understand how anyone could have ever been okay with that addon existing.

Im fine with it. It force people to fight face to face like real men... If you want to kill people from behind go play Shooters or Battle Royales, you can be a camper in those genres...

Laggus

Chelo wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Well.. it’s not a cheat, it’s an add on, that the dev team has only now decided to remove after monitoring its effectiveness and deciding it is providing too much of an advantage/crutch/whatever maligned word you want to enter here.

Basically, and again I iterate that you are more than welcome to play however you want, I just found it humorous that you find what someone else has done, technically within the current confines of the game, as pathetic when there are many players that would view your particular admitted playstyle as pathetic.

Added: although I do see why it would be irritating for you.

come on Rhage it's an addon that literally tells you how to play the game giving you knowledge that you really shouldn't have, basically spits in the face of any real competitive/meaningful openworld PvP. tells you when to dodge when to block what attacks are coming your way stealthed or not. i really don't understand how anyone could have ever been okay with that addon existing.

Im fine with it. It force people to fight face to face like real men... If you want to kill people from behind go play Shooters or Battle Royales, you can be a camper in those genres...

So you don't believe ranged builds should be in the game at all and only melee is legit?