PvP Players That Look Down On PvE "Carebears"

DieAlteHexe

MakoFore wrote: »

tell u what though- these so called pve elitists- once they get a taste of blood- LOVE pvp, and these pvp alphas once they get a experiennce of raiding - love it too.

alot of fun to be had on both sides- doint know why alot of players shut themselves off to the other half of the game.

As for me? After years of attempting to do the whole PvP thing and realising that I am simply horrible at it. That's why I "shut myself off". I play games to have fun and relax and PvPing doesn't fulfill that.

Doctordarkspawn

MakoFore wrote: »

tell u what though- these so called pve elitists- once they get a taste of blood- LOVE pvp, and these pvp alphas once they get a experiennce of raiding - love it too.

alot of fun to be had on both sides- doint know why alot of players shut themselves off to the other half of the game.

Been doin' PVE for as long as I been playin' MMO's. Hated most PVP sections of MMO's. But even when I do play I wouldn't call it 'taste of blood'.

Christ, man, if that's how you look at it you may need serious mental help.

Hurbster

I've always considered it a derogatory term.

MakoFore

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

MakoFore wrote: »

tell u what though- these so called pve elitists- once they get a taste of blood- LOVE pvp, and these pvp alphas once they get a experiennce of raiding - love it too.

alot of fun to be had on both sides- doint know why alot of players shut themselves off to the other half of the game.

Been doin' PVE for as long as I been playin' MMO's. Hated most PVP sections of MMO's. But even when I do play I wouldn't call it 'taste of blood'.

Christ, man, if that's how you look at it you may need serious mental help.

u need serious mental help if ur going to evaluate someone based off an off the cuff expression.
violence is a big part of all games and entertainment- if u cant acknowledge that ur just ignorant.
my comment was simply to say both sides are fun = both elements are enjoyable and ccan be enjoyable by the other party. although in its current state- pve is far more developed, balanced and sophisticated than pvp in this patch.
although i see- you just tank...so yeah- keep holding block kid.

Doctordarkspawn

MakoFore wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

MakoFore wrote: »

tell u what though- these so called pve elitists- once they get a taste of blood- LOVE pvp, and these pvp alphas once they get a experiennce of raiding - love it too.

alot of fun to be had on both sides- doint know why alot of players shut themselves off to the other half of the game.

Been doin' PVE for as long as I been playin' MMO's. Hated most PVP sections of MMO's. But even when I do play I wouldn't call it 'taste of blood'.

Christ, man, if that's how you look at it you may need serious mental help.

u need serious mental help if ur going to evaluate someone based off an off the cuff expression.
violence is a big part of all games and entertainment- if u cant acknowledge that ur just ignorant.
my comment was simply to say both sides are fun = both elements are enjoyable and ccan be enjoyable by the other party. although in its current state- pve is far more developed, balanced and sophisticated than pvp in this patch.
although i see- you just tank...so yeah- keep holding block kid.

You can tell alot more about a person from off the cuff expressions than written speeches.

There's a difference between violence and a want for -domination-, which all hardcore PVP players do.

As for 'sophisticated' and 'holding block', my butt. PVE is worse now than it's ever been. And I've been trying to get the designers to let alternatives to blocktanks, like some kind of blood knight or something be viable since the game started. So yeah, no, keep bein' ignorant kid.

Insandros

Got to say i lvoe to read PvE are being called carebears, but most of stuff we read about whining comes from PvPers.. dunno whos needs the most cuddle and hugs for their little pain :P but Carebears are cute

Colecovision

I have a stand up street fighter game with most fighting games on it. I’m not brilliant, but I’m good enough at most of them. There is nothing more boring than playing people who don’t know how. I make rules for myself to try and even the odds. I’ll eliminate blocking and force endless counters, maybe no jumping, play with one button and I never use a special move or cheese a combo. Even then I don’t enjoy winning. SOME eso pvpers are the guys who would feel excited about crushing 1st time players and celebrating with an overly masculine fist pump. Then it’s time to turn to the noob and yell “in your face!”

In eso the goal is to create a build better than everyone else in order to make the fight unfair. I can’t wrap my head around that outside of dueling others doing the same thing. Going after people who aren’t participating in the same game is just Billy Madison level laughable. I feel like SOME eso pvpers are laughing at the kids getting hit with dodgeballs and not the pathetic adult throwing them. You guys aren’t beating Care Bears, you’re beating people who are there to meet a requirement for skills and crystals. It’s eso’s equivalent of required general ed for us, but for you, it’s your major. We aren’t going to put real time into reading about a build, respecing our characters, getting new armor and learning which skills to slot. I have damage pve gear on and hit someone with ballista ultimate yesterday. Did about 3k damage and he healed in 2 seconds. There’s zero chance I bother to learn why. I’ll just spam poison injection from a group, get my crystals and go back to the game I’m actually playing. It’s easy enough, but it’s dumb for me to be there and if you have any gamesmanship at all, you’ll acknowledge I’m the problem with pvp. Forcing me into cyrodil isn’t free ap, it’s the end of cyrodil for self respecting gamers. I actually think most of you get that and all capsed the word “some” twice. To you, I apologize for being a leech. I’m not the one who locked things in pvp land, so please do forgive me. Also understand, it’s the Billy Madison types that we interact with. So the genuinely disturbed gankers, who get off on making others unhappy with their gaming experience, frequently end up as your representatives.

Then I read the comments about real pvpers simply playing another game and I can wrap my head around that. Same gear? same moves available? Game on. This? Eso pvp with players who don’t want to be there? That’s not really gaming.

DoctorESO

Colecovision wrote: »

So the genuinely disturbed gankers, who get off on making others unhappy with their gaming experience, frequently end up as your representatives.

Thogard wrote: »

Most of the “look down on PvE’ers” from past games was because the care bears back then couldn’t avoid PvP and would get farmed like the sheep they were. And of course we’d look down on them - they were easy to kill, utterly predictable, and would send the most hilarious hate messages. This game doesn’t have that. I wish it did

Sixty5

As someone who does both, I can say pvp is more demanding.

Beating a computer with pre-programmed actions just ends up being a mechanical thing. If A happens, do B, and then use skills in this order.

Pvp on the other hand requires you to react to other players and be constantly thinking about what is going on.

Of course there are exceptions, you can be terrible due to not knowing what is going on, or you can punch above your weight by playing a mag sorc in pve, or a stamblade in pvp.

In the end, you'll always find bad players, no matter what you play.

DragonRacer

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

MakoFore wrote: »

tell u what though- these so called pve elitists- once they get a taste of blood- LOVE pvp, and these pvp alphas once they get a experiennce of raiding - love it too.

alot of fun to be had on both sides- doint know why alot of players shut themselves off to the other half of the game.

As for me? After years of attempting to do the whole PvP thing and realising that I am simply horrible at it. That's why I "shut myself off". I play games to have fun and relax and PvPing doesn't fulfill that.

Completely agree with you.

I finally tried PvP because friends were convinced I should give it an honest try, so I did. Had such a horrible time that I was miserable enough to not even want to continue playing the game at all.

So, yeah, no PvP for me. I stick with PvE only because that is where I enjoy myself. I don't mind shutting myself off from "the other half of the game" when I got zero enjoyment out of it and, quite the opposite, actually made me start hating the game.

Doctordarkspawn

DragonRacer wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

MakoFore wrote: »

tell u what though- these so called pve elitists- once they get a taste of blood- LOVE pvp, and these pvp alphas once they get a experiennce of raiding - love it too.

alot of fun to be had on both sides- doint know why alot of players shut themselves off to the other half of the game.

As for me? After years of attempting to do the whole PvP thing and realising that I am simply horrible at it. That's why I "shut myself off". I play games to have fun and relax and PvPing doesn't fulfill that.

Completely agree with you.

I finally tried PvP because friends were convinced I should give it an honest try, so I did. Had such a horrible time that I was miserable enough to not even want to continue playing the game at all.

So, yeah, no PvP for me. I stick with PvE only because that is where I enjoy myself. I don't mind shutting myself off from "the other half of the game" when I got zero enjoyment out of it and, quite the opposite, actually made me start hating the game.

And yet hardcore PVPers are baffled by this reaction. To they're mind, there must be something wrong with you.

Dracofyre

got both last 2 shards in rival factions last weekend, it was so exciting, it been a year since i see Pact overran both factions when i first played to get run buff.

Betsararie

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

MakoFore wrote: »

tell u what though- these so called pve elitists- once they get a taste of blood- LOVE pvp, and these pvp alphas once they get a experiennce of raiding - love it too.

alot of fun to be had on both sides- doint know why alot of players shut themselves off to the other half of the game.

As for me? After years of attempting to do the whole PvP thing and realising that I am simply horrible at it. That's why I "shut myself off". I play games to have fun and relax and PvPing doesn't fulfill that.

Completely agree with you.

I finally tried PvP because friends were convinced I should give it an honest try, so I did. Had such a horrible time that I was miserable enough to not even want to continue playing the game at all.

So, yeah, no PvP for me. I stick with PvE only because that is where I enjoy myself. I don't mind shutting myself off from "the other half of the game" when I got zero enjoyment out of it and, quite the opposite, actually made me start hating the game.

And yet hardcore PVPers are baffled by this reaction. To they're mind, there must be something wrong with you.

The general rule is.... if you are a success in PvP, you like it. If not you probably won't. Just to inform you.

kyle.wilson

DoctorESO wrote: »

From time to time (ok, maybe more often than that), I'm running with an Alliance War PvP group and someone on voice comms derisively refers to PvE players, casting judgment on them for being such and calling them "carebears" or bears for short. Not exactly sure where all this negative sentiment comes from but it definitely does not make a good impression.

But just to throw some ammunition the other way, I was going for the Cyrodiil dolmens achievement recently and I came across a dolmen in progress. Someone from another alliance was there soloing it when someone from the other third alliance fatally ganked the poor guy/gal. The ganker then tried to continue with the dolmen but in short order became overwhelmed by the trash mobs, unable to kill them. Health dropped to maybe 5-10% and the ganker ran away. Was really funny.

We play the same game, but PvP and PvE require different skills, gear, traits, and strategies. No need for either side to look down on the other.

I heard the same kind of talk about PVP players when I was running with a trials guild. PVE players have a tendency to overstate their PVP abilities, the same that most PVP players greatly overestimate their PVE skills.
I ran a trial with a notable PVP guild, players with thousands of hours Pvping were dying over and over again. It was almost as funny at it was annoying.

WrathOfInnos

Thogard wrote: »

Thats great and all, but let's not pretend that they take the same level of skill.

This guy is correct, different skill levels entirely. Can anyone name a PVP opponent difficult enough to take the best group of 12 players 5 months to defeat? In PVE the answer is Rakkhat HM.

Compare that level of dedication and achievement to running around a tree or tower killing scrubs to farm AP. In an environment where achievements and titles are based entirely on time spent, and unrelated to skill (emperor and rank being the best examples).

Bait taken, bait returned ...

Doctordarkspawn

Blanco wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

MakoFore wrote: »

tell u what though- these so called pve elitists- once they get a taste of blood- LOVE pvp, and these pvp alphas once they get a experiennce of raiding - love it too.

alot of fun to be had on both sides- doint know why alot of players shut themselves off to the other half of the game.

As for me? After years of attempting to do the whole PvP thing and realising that I am simply horrible at it. That's why I "shut myself off". I play games to have fun and relax and PvPing doesn't fulfill that.

Completely agree with you.

I finally tried PvP because friends were convinced I should give it an honest try, so I did. Had such a horrible time that I was miserable enough to not even want to continue playing the game at all.

So, yeah, no PvP for me. I stick with PvE only because that is where I enjoy myself. I don't mind shutting myself off from "the other half of the game" when I got zero enjoyment out of it and, quite the opposite, actually made me start hating the game.

And yet hardcore PVPers are baffled by this reaction. To they're mind, there must be something wrong with you.

The general rule is.... if you are a success in PvP, you like it. If not you probably won't. Just to inform you.

The general reaction is typically that your either stupid or deviant if you dont like PVP from some of the ones I talk to.

You underestimate how toxic your hobby is.

Lylith

Dracofyre wrote: »

got both last 2 shards in rival factions last weekend, it was so exciting, it been a year since i see Pact overran both factions when i first played to get run buff.

grats.

my ep crafter, who doesn't pvp at all, is my only character who has all the skyshards.

it took a while.

Thogard

monktoasty wrote: »

It's also why you lost a large portion of its player base because they couldn't actually play the game with all the 10 year old pKers. Thus..trammel was born and pvp instantly died.

Nothing has changed...just the mechanics. Pvpers are bastille annoying 10 year olds acting like brats who get jollies off of others misery..and pvp is stI'll a minority.

You could still have open world pvp if pvpers cold resist from wanton pointless murder..unfortunayely..that's what bratty pvpers are all about


The grieving today is verbal..making other people feel small and bullied because pvpers can't act normal..they have to act like idiots.

This has got to be the most unintentionally and unironically hypocritical post I've ever read. Well done.

Thogard

Granted, I'm being a huge hypocrite by saying this since I've certainly been fanning the flames in this thread...

but for a thread that talks about how "PvPers look down on PvE'ers" it sure seems like they're outnumbered by the PvE'ers who look down on PvPers.

Loc2262

DoctorESO wrote: »

If PvE were truly rote memorization, then it would be easy to clear vAS HM and vHOF. But clearing those dungeons is not a matter of following a pre-determined set of moves. If it was, every group would be clearing it. The truth is much further away, as only a very, very small percentage of players have cleared those trials. Some groups can't clear vMOL, and still others can't clear the "standard" Craglorn vSO, vHRC, and vAA, much less the hard mode versions. There are even groups that struggle with nAA, nHRC, and nSO.

As a pure endgame PVE player with experience in all 4-man dungeons and most trials, I couldn't have put it better. Lots of players can't even clear some 4-man vet dungeons, or even normal dungeons. Some PVP players really should dismount their high horse and try "our stuff" before jumping to conclusions.

Of course not all of them are like this. I should hope that only a minority is like this. I personally deeply dislike PVP in this game, but of course I don't dislike the PVP *players*. It's just that MMO PVP on such a massive scale is not my cup of tea. Too much chaos, too much going on on the screen at once, and most importantly, way too much hassle to get back into the action once you get killed (feels more like Horseback Simulator Online than a TES game). No, for PVP I (used to) go to FPS or RTS games with smaller scale and a level playing field.

Minyassa

PvPers having an attitude toward PvErs is why I will never PvP. Not because I have something against PvP, but because it has PvPers in it, and the prevailing attitude I have seen has convinced me that 99% of them are total jerks and why would I want to play with jerks. People like to say "oh, there are jerks in PvE too" but I have yet to run into a PvE player who has spoken down to me anywhere NEAR the way I've been badmouthed as a "carebear" by PvPers.

Kalante

i often save low levels and res them and then they start following. I think it's cute.

Tommy_The_Gun

DoctorESO wrote: »

From time to time (ok, maybe more often than that), I'm running with an Alliance War PvP group and someone on voice comms derisively refers to PvE players, casting judgment on them for being such and calling them "carebears" or bears for short. Not exactly sure where all this negative sentiment comes from but it definitely does not make a good impression.

I am pretty sure if those PvP players would try to do vet PvE content (trials etc.) it would not end well...

Buffler

Top end PVP'ers are salty.
Top end PVE'ers are elitist idiots.

My take on the two game modes are quite simple.

PVE is about memory and rotation against a totally scripted piece of content that doesnt change.
PVP is about reaction against a unpredictable opponent and knowing not just your own class but the class you are up against.

There are idiots both sides of the fence but what drives PVP is that its competition.

On a side note, i have a real dislike for people that claim hitting high dps on a static, non moving or attacking back dummy is some sort of badge of honour! They are absolute morons.

Loc2262

Buffler wrote: »

PVE is about memory and rotation against a totally scripted piece of content that doesnt change.

Have you ever tried to clear a hard mode vet trial? Then you'll see how much this "totally scripted" piece of content "doesn't change".

Buffler

Loc2262 wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

PVE is about memory and rotation against a totally scripted piece of content that doesnt change.

Have you ever tried to clear a hard mode vet trial? Then you'll see how much this "totally scripted" piece of content "doesn't change".

Boss mechanics don't change. They do between modes but as soon as you start whichever mode you desire, be it vet or HM you know exactly what attack the boss does and when.

Shardan4968

I've seen in cyro zone chat where PvPers were calling PvEers casuals, because PvE content is too easy and repetitive. I've seen PvE players whining that they are being killed by other players and that they deserve PvE Cyro. I've met salty ppl trying to vote kick tank below 50 at the start of the normal Spindleclutch 1 even tho he was actually good one. I've encountered hate mails from PvP players who are so proud of themselves that they can't stand being killed by someone with less skill than theirs. Players like this are pathetic and don't belong to either side, they belong to salty people.

Tandor

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

MakoFore wrote: »

tell u what though- these so called pve elitists- once they get a taste of blood- LOVE pvp, and these pvp alphas once they get a experiennce of raiding - love it too.

alot of fun to be had on both sides- doint know why alot of players shut themselves off to the other half of the game.

As for me? After years of attempting to do the whole PvP thing and realising that I am simply horrible at it. That's why I "shut myself off". I play games to have fun and relax and PvPing doesn't fulfill that.

Completely agree with you.

I finally tried PvP because friends were convinced I should give it an honest try, so I did. Had such a horrible time that I was miserable enough to not even want to continue playing the game at all.

So, yeah, no PvP for me. I stick with PvE only because that is where I enjoy myself. I don't mind shutting myself off from "the other half of the game" when I got zero enjoyment out of it and, quite the opposite, actually made me start hating the game.

And yet hardcore PVPers are baffled by this reaction. To they're mind, there must be something wrong with you.

The general rule is.... if you are a success in PvP, you like it. If not you probably won't. Just to inform you.

The general reaction is typically that your either stupid or deviant if you dont like PVP from some of the ones I talk to.

You underestimate how toxic your hobby is.

Agreed, plus the other typical reaction I see is that players don't like PvP because they're scared of it. Yet plenty of PvPers don't like PvE and I wouldn't dream of suggesting that it's because they're scared of it! The simple fact is that some people don't enjoy PvP, much as some others don't enjoy PvE. We all end up doing what we do enjoy, given that it's only a hobby and there's little point in spending our scarce relaxation time doing something we don't like, for whatever reason.

Loc2262

Buffler wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

PVE is about memory and rotation against a totally scripted piece of content that doesnt change.

Have you ever tried to clear a hard mode vet trial? Then you'll see how much this "totally scripted" piece of content "doesn't change".

Boss mechanics don't change. They do between modes but as soon as you start whichever mode you desire, be it vet or HM you know exactly what attack the boss does and when.

The mechanics in their basic form don't change, that's right. But the sum of all mechanics, and the resulting possible combinations of situations and events require much more flexibility and adaptability than some PVPers are apparently willing to give PVE credit for.

If that wasn't the case, like if PVP really required so much more skill like some people here claim, any moderately good PVP group should be able to faceroll through say Asylum Hardmode, right?

Buffler

Loc2262 wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

PVE is about memory and rotation against a totally scripted piece of content that doesnt change.

Have you ever tried to clear a hard mode vet trial? Then you'll see how much this "totally scripted" piece of content "doesn't change".

Boss mechanics don't change. They do between modes but as soon as you start whichever mode you desire, be it vet or HM you know exactly what attack the boss does and when.

The mechanics in their basic form don't change, that's right. But the sum of all mechanics, and the resulting possible combinations of situations and events require much more flexibility and adaptability than some PVPers are apparently willing to give PVE credit for.

If that wasn't the case, like if PVP really required so much more skill like some people here claim, any moderately good PVP group should be able to faceroll through say Asylum Hardmode, right?

Somebody mentioned earlier and i agree with them. A top pvp player can adapt to be a top pve player. Its not the same the other way around. Obviously some can but imo, if you are very good at pvp, you are good enough to do all pve content. If enough practice is put in. Obviously mechanics need to be learnt.