PvP Players That Look Down On PvE "Carebears"

Nemesis7884 · December 2017

i have a similar issue with "free" players that think everyone who is buying crown crates or being eso+ is an idiot not realizing that they are the people allowing them to play the game in the first place...

Ohtimbar · December 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i have a similar issue with "free" players that think everyone who is buying crown crates or being eso+ is an idiot not realizing that they are the people allowing them to play the game in the first place...

Yeah, it makes me laugh. How dare those evil people subsidize the game for everyone else?

Bryanonymous · December 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i have a similar issue with "free" players that think everyone who is buying crown crates or being eso+ is an idiot not realizing that they are the people allowing them to play the game in the first place...

That issue is not so black and white. No one shames someone for having a subscription, however some of us do frown on the amount of money being shelled out for digital fluff. It’s like, most people won’t shame you for going to McDonalds, but if you eat there 4 times a day and weigh 400lbs, you might have a problem.

And the arguement that crowns keep the game going is really debatable as well. It’s not like we didn’t all pay for the base game, but also consider if the crowns were not selling, the developers would find some other way to profit. The game will keep going because people play it, not because a few shovel money into a cash grab money pit.

I would never tell some affluent millionaire how to burn his fortune, however I do see concern with random internet opinions influencing naive kids into spending a fortune of their parents money on digital junk and pretending it is normal.

Nemesis7884 · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i have a similar issue with "free" players that think everyone who is buying crown crates or being eso+ is an idiot not realizing that they are the people allowing them to play the game in the first place...

That issue is not so black and white. No one shames someone for having a subscription, however some of us do frown on the amount of money being shelled out for digital fluff. It’s like, most people won’t shame you for going to McDonalds, but if you eat there 4 times a day and weigh 400lbs, you might have a problem.

And the arguement that crowns keep the game going is really debatable as well. It’s not like we didn’t all pay for the base game, but also consider if the crowns were not selling, the developers would find some other way to profit. The game will keep going because people play it, not because a few shovel money into a cash grab money pit.

you think the base price can indefinatly sustain it? And the game can't keep going because people play it but because a portion of the people who play it keeps spending money on it - don't get me wrong i think some of the crown store and especially crown crate practices are highly debatable...at the same time, spending more money on the game means more content faster so....(it could also mean we get to see TES 6 later if ever tough)

firedrgn · December 2017

I thought carebear meant someone that helps someone else.

Samadhi · December 2017

DoctorESO wrote: »

From time to time (ok, maybe more often than that), I'm running with an Alliance War PvP group and someone on voice comms derisively refers to PvE players, casting judgment on them for being such and calling them "carebears" or bears for short. Not exactly sure where all this negative sentiment comes from but it definitely does not make a good impression.
...

Have seen 'carebear' talk far less frequently since my return than before leaving

similarly, have also seen a reduction in the rate of dedicated PvE players referring to PvP players as psychopaths and sociopaths

so maybe things are getting more positive in both wings of the community

Bryanonymous · December 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i have a similar issue with "free" players that think everyone who is buying crown crates or being eso+ is an idiot not realizing that they are the people allowing them to play the game in the first place...

That issue is not so black and white. No one shames someone for having a subscription, however some of us do frown on the amount of money being shelled out for digital fluff. It’s like, most people won’t shame you for going to McDonalds, but if you eat there 4 times a day and weigh 400lbs, you might have a problem.

And the arguement that crowns keep the game going is really debatable as well. It’s not like we didn’t all pay for the base game, but also consider if the crowns were not selling, the developers would find some other way to profit. The game will keep going because people play it, not because a few shovel money into a cash grab money pit.

you think the base price can indefinatly sustain it? And the game can't keep going because people play it but because a portion of the people who play it keeps spending money on it - don't get me wrong i think some of the crown store and especially crown crate practices are highly debatable...at the same time, spending more money on the game means more content faster so....(it could also mean we get to see TES 6 later if ever tough)

Smh... Someone always has to pretend the developers are broke. I guarantee that the price it takes to maintain and produce new content for this game is far lower than the profits coming in from the cash grabs that slowly deteriorate the production of quality content which would keep a base engaged. Blind bootlicking won’t help that either.

Ruckly · December 2017

The negative sentiment might be the player consolidating all the time spent in rigging our their toon in cp and gold gear for the flavor of the month to make it meaningful and leveraging their ego in between the more relevant battles.

TequilaFire · December 2017

Interesting another player saying PvP players look down on PvE players by creating a baiting thread casting PvP players in a bad light.

Thogard · December 2017

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

PvE in MMOs is the most casual experience possible. There is zero balance as everyone is a different level, has access to different gear, etc. Very few outcomes in MMO PvP encounters are related to player skill.

If you're serious about PvP, you'd be playing a MOBA, where everyone is the same level, has the same gear, etc.

...CHANGE THE BLOODY RECORD.

Allthough I do agree on one thing. If you care about PVP you wouldn't be playin' this.

Neoauspex · December 2017

I don't look down on PvErs. But I bet I can kill you.

Bryanonymous · December 2017

Neoauspex wrote: »

I don't look down on PvErs. But I bet I can kill you.

I’m sure several have proven you wrong.

DoctorESO · December 2017

If PvE were truly rote memorization, then it would be easy to clear vAS HM and vHOF. But clearing those dungeons is not a matter of following a pre-determined set of moves. If it was, every group would be clearing it. The truth is much further away, as only a very, very small percentage of players have cleared those trials. Some groups can't clear vMOL, and still others can't clear the "standard" Craglorn vSO, vHRC, and vAA, much less the hard mode versions. There are even groups that struggle with nAA, nHRC, and nSO.

DieAlteHexe · December 2017

Neoauspex wrote: »

I don't look down on PvErs. But I bet I can kill you.

Oh, I know you could. Another reason I don't PvP (main one being I am terribad at it); not a fan of being someone else's "content".

Betsararie · December 2017

Thogard wrote: »

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Personally I think of PvP as like the majors.... and PvE as tee ball.

Too far?

DieAlteHexe · December 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Thogard wrote: »

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Personally I think of PvP as like the majors.... and PvE as tee ball.

Too far?

On the plus side, we carebears don't have to lug around those gigantic epeens.

DoctorESO · December 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

PvE in MMOs is the most casual experience possible. There is zero balance as everyone is a different level, has access to different gear, etc. Very few outcomes in MMO PvP encounters are related to player skill.

If you're serious about PvP, you'd be playing a MOBA, where everyone is the same level, has the same gear, etc.

Maybe Guild Wars 2 also, as their Structured PvP side limits everyone to the same selection of gear, weapons, and skills.

DoctorESO · December 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Thogard wrote: »

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Personally I think of PvP as like the majors.... and PvE as tee ball.

Too far?

The truth is that PvP and PvE are both like the NFL, just in different conferences. One is the AFC and the other is the NFC.

Or they are both like the MLB, but one is batting and one is fielding.

Betsararie · December 2017

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Thogard wrote: »

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Personally I think of PvP as like the majors.... and PvE as tee ball.

Too far?

On the plus side, we carebears don't have to lug around those gigantic epeens.

As a female, that shouldn't be your issue anyway.

DieAlteHexe · December 2017

Blanco wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Thogard wrote: »

I like to think of PvP as regular baseball and PvE as a home run derby.

Personally I think of PvP as like the majors.... and PvE as tee ball.

Too far?

On the plus side, we carebears don't have to lug around those gigantic epeens.

As a female, that shouldn't be your issue anyway.

Epeen knows no gender.

Bryanonymous · December 2017

Oh God, the sport comparison is such a gross oversimplification.

First of all, one has to work hard and move to the top to make it into professional sports. They don’t just get some random invite at level 10. Second, if PvP were a sport, there would be at least 690 strengths of legal steroids that participants would take.

If you were to compare the two: PvE would be like mountain climbing and PvP would be like the WWE.

Climbing a mountain can vary in difficulty depending on the mountain, however you are the only person in the competition.

The WWE however has no resemblance to mountain climbing, and is so fake that a man like Donald Trump can get into the ring and pretend to be good at it. Most of the competitors are juiced on roids and love to look at themselves in the mirror greased up and wearing speedos. Also, the fights are usually predetermined and the moves are rehearsed many times in advance. Many WWE superstars think they are admired, but the majority of their fans are children or trailer trash.

DoctorESO · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

If you were to compare the two: PvE would be like mountain climbing and PvP would be like the WWE.

What would be the PvP ESO equivalent of this WWE activity:

Samadhi · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Oh God, the sport comparison is such a gross oversimplification.

First of all, one has to work hard and move to the top to make it into professional sports. They don’t just get some random invite at level 10. Second, if PvP were a sport, there would be at least 690 strengths of legal steroids that participants would take.

If you were to compare the two: PvE would be like mountain climbing and PvP would be like the WWE.

Climbing a mountain can vary in difficulty depending on the mountain, however you are the only person in the competition.

The WWE however has no resemblance to mountain climbing, and is so fake that a man like Donald Trump can get into the ring and pretend to be good at it. Most of the competitors are juiced on roids and love to look at themselves in the mirror greased up and wearing speedos. Also, the fights are usually predetermined and the moves are rehearsed many times in advance. Many WWE superstars think they are admired, but the majority of their fans are children or trailer trash.

Nah, PvP is more like HEMA than anything like WWE
we're just a bunch of nerds having fun
until someone gets upset over losing an eye

just kidding; in HEMA we use proper protective gear

Nemesis7884 · December 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i have a similar issue with "free" players that think everyone who is buying crown crates or being eso+ is an idiot not realizing that they are the people allowing them to play the game in the first place...

That issue is not so black and white. No one shames someone for having a subscription, however some of us do frown on the amount of money being shelled out for digital fluff. It’s like, most people won’t shame you for going to McDonalds, but if you eat there 4 times a day and weigh 400lbs, you might have a problem.

And the arguement that crowns keep the game going is really debatable as well. It’s not like we didn’t all pay for the base game, but also consider if the crowns were not selling, the developers would find some other way to profit. The game will keep going because people play it, not because a few shovel money into a cash grab money pit.

you think the base price can indefinatly sustain it? And the game can't keep going because people play it but because a portion of the people who play it keeps spending money on it - don't get me wrong i think some of the crown store and especially crown crate practices are highly debatable...at the same time, spending more money on the game means more content faster so....(it could also mean we get to see TES 6 later if ever tough)

Smh... Someone always has to pretend the developers are broke. I guarantee that the price it takes to maintain and produce new content for this game is far lower than the profits coming in from the cash grabs that slowly deteriorate the production of quality content which would keep a base engaged. Blind bootlicking won’t help that either.

i don't say any such thing what i say is more money goes into the game more content comes out of it

LadyAstrum · December 2017

From my first MMO (Lotro) to now, I've frequently heard the term "carebear". Some PvP'ers (not all) have an elitist opinion. They believe themselves a better class of player, hardened and scarred by virtual battle. They look upon those who happily thrive in the safety of their towns and non-gankable quests, and see softness, even weakness. Anyone that doesn't feel the passion of war, or doesn't possess the skill to negotiate battle, is seen as "lesser" (by those elitist few). But "carebears" are the ones that fill the towns, give life to the otherwise stagnant environs, and keep up the endless fight against the dolmen horde.

Without us "carebears" the battletorn warriors would have nothing to fight for, except empty towns and lifeless inns.

Bryanonymous · December 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i have a similar issue with "free" players that think everyone who is buying crown crates or being eso+ is an idiot not realizing that they are the people allowing them to play the game in the first place...

That issue is not so black and white. No one shames someone for having a subscription, however some of us do frown on the amount of money being shelled out for digital fluff. It’s like, most people won’t shame you for going to McDonalds, but if you eat there 4 times a day and weigh 400lbs, you might have a problem.

And the arguement that crowns keep the game going is really debatable as well. It’s not like we didn’t all pay for the base game, but also consider if the crowns were not selling, the developers would find some other way to profit. The game will keep going because people play it, not because a few shovel money into a cash grab money pit.

you think the base price can indefinatly sustain it? And the game can't keep going because people play it but because a portion of the people who play it keeps spending money on it - don't get me wrong i think some of the crown store and especially crown crate practices are highly debatable...at the same time, spending more money on the game means more content faster so....(it could also mean we get to see TES 6 later if ever tough)

Smh... Someone always has to pretend the developers are broke. I guarantee that the price it takes to maintain and produce new content for this game is far lower than the profits coming in from the cash grabs that slowly deteriorate the production of quality content which would keep a base engaged. Blind bootlicking won’t help that either.

i don't say any such thing what i say is more money goes into the game more content comes out of it

Read what you wrote and realize it’s a belief based on faith and an assumption. There’s no guarantee that any profits will be used to create better content. In today’s business world, profits are pocketed and the product is kept as cheap and sold for as much as possible. The only way to get a better product is to vote with your wallet. Shelling out money means you will continue to get what is being provided, while holding onto your cash will force production of something better in attempt to make you buy. Either way, the production company will be walking away with the money until a competitor comes along with a better product. All who wish to rationalize that they are making the game better by shelling out cash are actually empowering the company to continue to produce subpar content in the form of random crate junk and over priced ‘chapters’.

Armatesz · December 2017

As a person that went from pve to doing both although rarely pvp except when I feel the need to get something or change things up a bit... I find more people annoyed at people thinking their skill setup or whatever will work for something such as certain veteran dungeons like imperial city prison or bloodroot forge and the like. Like they can easily do it without ever setting one foot in it. Takes 2 seconds and you see they die. Gotta learn it is like a dance of sorts.

DoctorESO · December 2017

LadyAstrum wrote: »

From my first MMO (Lotro) to now, I've frequently heard the term "carebear". Some PvP'ers (not all) have an elitist opinion. They believe themselves a better class of player, hardened and scarred by virtual battle. They look upon those who happily thrive in the safety of their towns and non-gankable quests, and see softness, even weakness. Anyone that doesn't feel the passion of war, or doesn't possess the skill to negotiate battle, is seen as "lesser" (by those elitist few). But "carebears" are the ones that fill the towns, give life to the otherwise stagnant environs, and keep up the endless fight against the dolmen horde.

Without us "carebears" the battletorn warriors would have nothing to fight for, except empty towns and lifeless inns.

I can hear the response from the elitists now.

We live in a world that has walls and keeps, and those walls and keeps have to be guarded by elite PvPers like me. You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a non-elite PvE carebear or even a non-elite PvP wannabe who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide [in the safety of their towns and non-gankable quests], and then questions the manner in which I look down upon them.

Slick_007 · December 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

Ganking a pver on a dolmen takes zero skill. Could literally be the matter of hitting 2 maybe 3 buttons. Unlikely that person was good at an aspect of the game and the reason they were ganking dolmen goers in the first place.

in a pvp zone, and you see another pvper. why wouldnt you? and yet you're basically calling them a *** player for doing exactly what the zone is designed for.