PvP Players That Look Down On PvE "Carebears"

DoctorESO

From time to time (ok, maybe more often than that), I'm running with an Alliance War PvP group and someone on voice comms derisively refers to PvE players, casting judgment on them for being such and calling them "carebears" or bears for short. Not exactly sure where all this negative sentiment comes from but it definitely does not make a good impression.

But just to throw some ammunition the other way, I was going for the Cyrodiil dolmens achievement recently and I came across a dolmen in progress. Someone from another alliance was there soloing it when someone from the other third alliance fatally ganked the poor guy/gal. The ganker then tried to continue with the dolmen but in short order became overwhelmed by the trash mobs, unable to kill them. Health dropped to maybe 5-10% and the ganker ran away. Was really funny.

We play the same game, but PvP and PvE require different skills, gear, traits, and strategies. No need for either side to look down on the other.

Solariken

That gank story is funny. I don't think it's PvE'ers in general that get a bad rep, just the ones that get a bad case of butthurt when they have to participate in any content where they might suffer a death at the hands of another player.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

So is calling someone a carebear always a negative thing? I used to love helping carebears get skyshards in Cyrodill. I would take my healer and keep them alive and defended from ganks. It was like an escort mission but they didn't get stuck on rocks or run all the way back to base.

Emergent gameplay is best gameplay.

Vapirko

Ganking a pver on a dolmen takes zero skill. Could literally be the matter of hitting 2 maybe 3 buttons. Unlikely that person was good at an aspect of the game and the reason they were ganking dolmen goers in the first place.

Recremen

My PvP crew self-identify as carebears since we like to PvE so much as well. I wouldn't always consider it as being used derisively beyond like, at least five levels of irony. Especially in this game, where we do so much mixed content to begin with.

MissBizz

On Reddit my tag on the ESO sub is Scrubtastic Carebear. In short, I try to laugh at it instead.

I know I'm no good at PvP anyways. You are right though, each has its own set of skills

Yolokin_Swagonborn

I know at least one person who I helped get skyshards back in the day now PvP's regularly and has even run PvP guilds. So don't be mean to carebears. Sometimes you can help they get a taste for blood and turn them into awesome bears.

Cage_Lizardman

For someone who used to play Eve Online, I always find it amusing when people have that attitude in this game. It's like some kid trying to convince you which kitten is more hardcore in Hello Kitty Online.

Vapirko

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

For someone who used to play Eve Online, I always find it amusing when people have that attitude in this game. It's like some kid trying to convince you which kitten is more hardcore in Hello Kitty Online.

Haha yes. There are some pvpers who need to feel like gods. I’m pretty sure it must be a genuine psychology issue.

Banana

Carebear for life. PVP is not for me.

WuffyCerulei

Fortunately I can say that a lot of pvpers aren't complete *** to pvers, but there are ones who have to crap on them like no tomorrow. You are right, both pvp and pve require different sets of skill. Pve is mostly mechanically-based and how good you do your role, while pvp is just burst heals/damage or being able to sustain that damage. Pve requires sustained damage over time, with the exception of Maelstrom Arena.

Thogard

Thats great and all, but let's not pretend that they take the same level of skill.

Cage_Lizardman

Some kittens are more complicated than others, wouldn't deny that.

Kevin_of_Devinshire

Really, in a game where you loose nothing if you are killed, ppl want to try to lower class another group?

It’s just like, “Oh shucks I was killed, guess I have to res over here, hmm, let me go this way now and explore”.

There isn’t even anything embarrassing about it. It’s like tripping in rl when your alone. You look around, don’t see anyone, and then keep on going.

Liofa

PvE is the same . I am saying this as a PvE player . People look down on PvP players for being zerglings and believe me that is for a reason . I remember one time taking a friend who mainly does PvP to a pledge . God , that was horrible . I wanted to ask how can you be this bad in a game ?! Especially against a computer ... I have this habit of not inviting those who mainly does PvP because of that memory unless I know that they are experienced in PvE as well . I prefer not doing pledges rather than doing them with a back bar resto staff magicka ''DPS'' that doesn't know what Combat Metrics is . If I , as a PvE player , am doing PvP with a proper golded out PvP setup with correct traits , I expect the same from PvP players . If a PvP player doesn't respect our time and expects us to carry them , I rather be a *** and kick them from group . I admit that I am taking it too far by kicking them from group but you can trust me . Every group member that is a PvE player says ''ughhh , we are screwed'' or ''get ready for Nightmare Mode pledges'' in teamspeak/discord/whisper when they see this kind of PvP player in their group .

Runefang

Thogard wrote: »

Thats great and all, but let's not pretend that they take the same level of skill.

It's just different kinds of skill really.

Thogard

Runefang wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Thats great and all, but let's not pretend that they take the same level of skill.

It's just different kinds of skill really.

yeah one is memorization the other is reacting to variable conditions in an ever-changing environment

blumac81

Carebear is more of term like "cute" imo. We all know how hard solo pve is like vet mazzatun, vet as and the like. Much respect for the care bears and the great leaders coordinating trials in this game it is not easy

LordSemaj

Thogard wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Thats great and all, but let's not pretend that they take the same level of skill.

It's just different kinds of skill really.

yeah one is memorization the other is reacting to variable conditions in an ever-changing environment

Totally agree. PVE is all about reacting to the conditions that develop within the team, especially in PUGs whom you've never grouped with nor understand anything regarding tactics, pinch healing that guy who for some reason is way over there yet clearly knows how to play given his trial achievements. Dynamic combat indeed. While PVP is about memorizing your 100% to 0% burst combo and dropping it when the enemy is most vulnerable because of a screw up they made rather than your own personal skill.

Before someone forgets that we're not wearing down the enemy in PVP like this is some other MMO or that nigh infinite sustain and permablock force PVP to become about who can deliver the coup de grace at the opportune time while making sure their own back isn't exposed. Kills boil down to who runs out of resources in a scenario where people are using resource sappers while baiting and avoiding large resource consumers to try and get the momentary edge necessary to put that dude in the ground before he regens.

MLGProPlayer

PvE in MMOs is the most casual experience possible. There is zero balance as everyone is a different level, has access to different gear, etc. Very few outcomes in MMO PvP encounters are related to player skill.

If you're serious about PvP, you'd be playing a MOBA, where everyone is the same level, has the same gear, etc.

Bryanonymous

I love competitive multiplayer games. Resistance: Fall of Man, Socom, MAG, he’ll even COD had some good moments. GTA:Online... best game ever. I’ll get back on it someday.

I’ve never gone to Cyrodil. I have 497 CP.

Why?

Call me a carebear... but I like competition where the the game is fair. MMO min/max, over level, meta, gank, zerg, etc... *** that. I’m not down with such a gimmick. Perhaps one day I will reach level cap... even then, I’m not sure I will care for what people call PvP in this game.

But hey, I just like when a game is fair. Guess that’s being a carebear.

Also, every time they nerf my class, Sorcerer, I care even less.

And the attempt to shame me into an unfair fight won’t bring me there either. Maybe that’s why PvP players are always trying to convince everyone to come play with them....because most people don’t care about games if the rules are ***.

All the macho elitism only serves to help destroy what you love.

Betsararie

It's pretty simple. I base my evaluation of you off of your skill at the game.

And we already know that PvP is a lot harder and takes more skill, so that is a factor too.

CyrusArya

Not all PvErs are carebears, but all carebears are PvErs.

LordSemaj

CyrusArya wrote: »

Not all PvErs are carebears, but all carebears are PvErs.

???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6QY_B-PKNY

SoLooney

ill join pvp guild groups and i havent really heard any trash talking about pve players, at least not yet. i can carry my own weight in pvp despite being a 90perc pve player

and what about the pvp carebears in dungeons and trials? ill see way too many dps with sword and boards, spamming light attacks or only spamming snipe. not exactly a walk in the park on the other side

Ohtimbar

Thogard wrote: »

Thats great and all, but let's not pretend that they take the same level of skill.

Who cares? It's just a game.

MLGProPlayer

Bryanonymous wrote: »

I love competitive multiplayer games. Resistance: Fall of Man, Socom, MAG, he’ll even COD had some good moments. GTA:Online... best game ever. I’ll get back on it someday.

I’ve never gone to Cyrodil. I have 497 CP.

Why?

Call me a carebear... but I like competition where the the game is fair. MMO min/max, over level, meta, gank, zerg, etc... *** that. I’m not down with such a gimmick. Perhaps one day I will reach level cap... even then, I’m not sure I will care for what people call PvP in this game.

Bingo.

I play(ed) CS:GO, Overwatch, Rainbow 6 Seige, StarCraft 2, HotS, Smite, etc.

I love PvP games, but MMO PvP is a joke. There is zero semblance of balance. When you lose, 9/10 times it was because of a factor other than player skill.

Bryanonymous

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Thats great and all, but let's not pretend that they take the same level of skill.

Who cares? It's just a game.

And let’s not forget...

Level of skill required for success is determined by level of advantage. In games like this, most so called ‘skilled’ players just have the odds stacked in their favor through some min/max meta garbage.

LordSemaj

Blanco wrote: »

It's pretty simple. I base my evaluation of you off of your skill at the game.

And we already know that PvP is a lot harder and takes more skill, so that is a factor too.

Eh, harder is overcoming a raid boss where the odds are stacked against you, including HP differential, damage differential, being outnumbered by zerglings, and counters to common player tactics inserted purely to screw the playerbase and have them develop brand new tactics instead of reusing tried and true methods.

Downing a guy who is equally powerful to you seems trivial in comparison. He might be better skilled than you. He probably isn't. Facing a raid boss is like taking on an Emperor while PVP in general ranges from Grand Overload to Mudcrab. And there are a LOT of mudcrabs to kill.

I had a build for a while in a past MMO that synchronized burst containers to unload on a target at the same time, basically would one-shot even tanks. Meanwhile my enemies did not have such a build as no one else had discovered it. The matches were so one-sided that calling it "hard" would only be referring to my own physical state. If you're a pro, PVP is always easy or at least fair. Yet even pros can't solo carry a raid. That takes teamwork.

SisterGoat

I've never heard of carebear used in a non derogatory way before. I dislike competitive gameplay because people get so bent out of shape about it, start cussing, insulting, and putting down others. I'm horrible at 1v1 PvP because I panic since I don't know how to react with the right skills and it stresses me out, so I prefer to be in groups or with friends. Unfortunately people in Cyrodiil seem to hate groups and I got trash talked for wanting a group. I haven't bothered PvPing much because of that.

Betsararie

LordSemaj wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

It's pretty simple. I base my evaluation of you off of your skill at the game.

And we already know that PvP is a lot harder and takes more skill, so that is a factor too.

Eh, harder is overcoming a raid boss where the odds are stacked against you, including HP differential, damage differential, being outnumbered by zerglings, and counters to common player tactics inserted purely to screw the playerbase and have them develop brand new tactics instead of reusing tried and true methods.

Downing a guy who is equally powerful to you seems trivial in comparison. He might be better skilled than you. He probably isn't. Facing a raid boss is like taking on an Emperor while PVP in general ranges from Grand Overload to Mudcrab. And there are a LOT of mudcrabs to kill.

I had a build for a while in a past MMO that synchronized burst containers to unload on a target at the same time, basically would one-shot even tanks. Meanwhile my enemies did not have such a build as no one else had discovered it. The matches were so one-sided that calling it "hard" would only be referring to my own physical state. If you're a pro, PVP is always easy or at least fair. Yet even pros can't solo carry a raid. That takes teamwork.

Ok, so one question for you- Are you really good at PvP in ESO? Because if your'e not, you have no room to talk my man. None at all.