Both Stam and magicka wardens are op

Waffennacht

Thogard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

I just pulse the slabs.

Wardens are overrated. They can LoS like no other, but you really shouldn't die to one

Dude you can’t pulse shimmering shield. It’s bugged and won’t even take away a single slab. Was literally testing this two nights ago.

Must have been just a coincidence (what I saw)

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In duels a stamden would be a double s&b stamden, they can survive the burst.

... Then how does it win? Definitely not with the ol' DS Execute combo.

BohnT

Waffennacht wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

I just pulse the slabs.

Wardens are overrated. They can LoS like no other, but you really shouldn't die to one

Dude you can’t pulse shimmering shield. It’s bugged and won’t even take away a single slab. Was literally testing this two nights ago.

Must have been just a coincidence (what I saw)

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In duels a stamden would be a double s&b stamden, they can survive the burst.

... Then how does it win? Definitely not with the ol' DS Execute combo.

You use Birds/heroic slash as a spammable and stack defiles. With Warden your burst is always enough to kill people which took some damage before.

But most importantly you won't lose the duel if you play defensively. Almost any other class can be focused enough by one enemy to die while stamwarden has none of these encounters except for pet sorcs or with a bugged incap but that's it

Subversus

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

OP is a strong word.

Stamina Warden feels a little overtuned, but 7th Legion in general feels a little overtuned...

I haven't found a solo magicka warden that felt really, really dangerous in the way that stam wardens do. Frequent stalemates, though.

The strangest thing, IMO, is that even potato wardens take longer than they should to kill. I haven't put my finger on which passives/skills are directly responsible for that.

Combo of harness mag (or the other morph), shimmering shield, healing ward, and living vines. Makes you have massive wards with massive healing.

Which does jack @#$& against CC + 8k Surprise Attack + 8k Incap + execute in about 1 lag filled moment

Or hard CC that goes through block + 8k whip + 11k meteor through 4k impen

Warden is bad cause it dies to lag and dueling dk builds as vamp. Nice

Bad wouldn't be my word choice. It would be sub optimal in duels. Vamp doesn't matter.

It's at best 3rd/4th place in duels. At best.

I wouldn't use duels as reference anyway, the meta is absolute *** this patch...

Thogard

Subversus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

OP is a strong word.

Stamina Warden feels a little overtuned, but 7th Legion in general feels a little overtuned...

I haven't found a solo magicka warden that felt really, really dangerous in the way that stam wardens do. Frequent stalemates, though.

The strangest thing, IMO, is that even potato wardens take longer than they should to kill. I haven't put my finger on which passives/skills are directly responsible for that.

Combo of harness mag (or the other morph), shimmering shield, healing ward, and living vines. Makes you have massive wards with massive healing.

Which does jack @#$& against CC + 8k Surprise Attack + 8k Incap + execute in about 1 lag filled moment

Or hard CC that goes through block + 8k whip + 11k meteor through 4k impen

Warden is bad cause it dies to lag and dueling dk builds as vamp. Nice

Bad wouldn't be my word choice. It would be sub optimal in duels. Vamp doesn't matter.

It's at best 3rd/4th place in duels. At best.

I wouldn't use duels as reference anyway, the meta is absolute *** this patch...

Agreed. Defile is too strong against Stam heals. Nothing comparable 1v1 for mag shields

Metemsycosis

I lose to people not classes.

But anyone who says wardens don't have it all (short of spammable cloak) relative to other classes isn't thinking objectively. That is my opinion. No other class sports as robust of a toolkit.

However I will add because of the forums and knowledge of their burst combo I find them more of a dangerous pest than an actual threat. The lack of a class execute makes the magwarden a ton less threatening (to other Magicka characters at least).

Waffennacht

Metemsycosis wrote: »

I lose to people not classes.

But anyone who says wardens don't have it all (short of spammable cloak) relative to other classes isn't thinking objectively. That is my opinion. No other class sports as robust of a toolkit.

However I will add because of the forums and knowledge of their burst combo I find them more of a dangerous pest than an actual threat. The lack of a class execute makes the magwarden a ton less threatening (to other Magicka characters at least).

Range is a huge weakness of theirs, the sub Assault/deep Fissure is 20/28 m distance (iirc) meaning any build with range + mobility has very little to worry about.

Like last night, faced a LoSing warden, I just backed up till he was void. When he eventually came out to attack someone, I just killed him.

Metemsycosis

I understand you perfectly. I cannot do dw stamblade much against any warden but a welltimed spectral bow focus aim (ambush-- fear --incap) almost always wins me the fight.

But pointing out one weakness in a build certainly says nothing about the various weaknesses of other builds. Which I mean to say are manifold, again relatively speaking.

Frex. A medium armor worries about defiles but also about undodgeable attacks and often spammed snares too. Just an example.

Another is most Magicka classes against persistent cc pressure, strong Oblivion damage, defiles, and even shattering blows. The window of opportunity against a decent warden is smaller than against any other class. Imo.

Waffennacht

Metemsycosis wrote: »

I understand you perfectly. I cannot do dw stamblade much against any warden but a welltimed spectral bow focus aim (ambush-- fear --incap) almost always wins me the fight.

But pointing out one weakness in a build certainly says nothing about the various weaknesses of other builds. Which I mean to say are manifold, again relatively speaking.

Frex. A medium armor worries about defiles but also about undodgeable attacks and often spammed snares too. Just an example.

Another is most Magicka classes against persistent cc pressure, strong Oblivion damage, defiles, and even shattering blows. The window of opportunity against a decent warden is smaller than against any other class. Imo.

Good point, insightful for you

Rhaegar75

Battlegrounds are absolutely packed with wardens: are they particularly performing in BGs?

Waffennacht

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

Battlegrounds are absolutely packed with wardens: are they particularly performing in BGs?

I mean, it depends? Yes? It's less about the class and about playing objectives.

I have leaderboarded Templars, Wardens and Sorcs.

Imo Sorc is the best for BGs, but that's just my personal experience

Lord_Eomer

I doubt magicka warden is OP,

Stam Warden may need some adjustements!

Lexxypwns

Waffennacht wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

Battlegrounds are absolutely packed with wardens: are they particularly performing in BGs?

I mean, it depends? Yes? It's less about the class and about playing objectives.

I have leaderboarded Templars, Wardens and Sorcs.

Imo Sorc is the best for BGs, but that's just my personal experience

Magplar, imo, just keeping yourself alive in objective game modes gets you lots of healing medals and you can shape a death match more than any other spec

Ragnarock41

Thogard wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

OP is a strong word.

Stamina Warden feels a little overtuned, but 7th Legion in general feels a little overtuned...

I haven't found a solo magicka warden that felt really, really dangerous in the way that stam wardens do. Frequent stalemates, though.

The strangest thing, IMO, is that even potato wardens take longer than they should to kill. I haven't put my finger on which passives/skills are directly responsible for that.

Combo of harness mag (or the other morph), shimmering shield, healing ward, and living vines. Makes you have massive wards with massive healing.

Which does jack @#$& against CC + 8k Surprise Attack + 8k Incap + execute in about 1 lag filled moment

Or hard CC that goes through block + 8k whip + 11k meteor through 4k impen

Warden is bad cause it dies to lag and dueling dk builds as vamp. Nice

Bad wouldn't be my word choice. It would be sub optimal in duels. Vamp doesn't matter.

It's at best 3rd/4th place in duels. At best.

I wouldn't use duels as reference anyway, the meta is absolute *** this patch...

Agreed. Defile is too strong against Stam heals. Nothing comparable 1v1 for mag shields

strong enough to force me into considering troll king over blood spawn.

Waffennacht

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

OP is a strong word.

Stamina Warden feels a little overtuned, but 7th Legion in general feels a little overtuned...

I haven't found a solo magicka warden that felt really, really dangerous in the way that stam wardens do. Frequent stalemates, though.

The strangest thing, IMO, is that even potato wardens take longer than they should to kill. I haven't put my finger on which passives/skills are directly responsible for that.

Combo of harness mag (or the other morph), shimmering shield, healing ward, and living vines. Makes you have massive wards with massive healing.

Which does jack @#$& against CC + 8k Surprise Attack + 8k Incap + execute in about 1 lag filled moment

Or hard CC that goes through block + 8k whip + 11k meteor through 4k impen

Warden is bad cause it dies to lag and dueling dk builds as vamp. Nice

Bad wouldn't be my word choice. It would be sub optimal in duels. Vamp doesn't matter.

It's at best 3rd/4th place in duels. At best.

I wouldn't use duels as reference anyway, the meta is absolute *** this patch...

Agreed. Defile is too strong against Stam heals. Nothing comparable 1v1 for mag shields

strong enough to force me into considering troll king over blood spawn.

Shhhh

Maura_Neysa

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

@leepalmer95 The Nature's Gift passive only returns 250 WHEN healing an Ally, not when healing self
Armour buff gives MINOR protection, Winter's Embrace utti gives major, but so does Nova

If you're going to cry about a class, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

BohnT

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

@leepalmer95 The Nature's Gift passive only returns 250 WHEN healing an Ally, not when healing self
Armour buff gives MINOR protection, Winter's Embrace utti gives major, but so does Nova

If you're going to cry about a class, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

Nova is stationary, while permafrost follows you and permafrost has better uptime.

Waffennacht

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

@leepalmer95 The Nature's Gift passive only returns 250 WHEN healing an Ally, not when healing self
Armour buff gives MINOR protection, Winter's Embrace utti gives major, but so does Nova

If you're going to cry about a class, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

Nova is stationary, while permafrost follows you and permafrost has better uptime.

And is blockable and deals very little damage and has a rather small radius

Thogard

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

Maura_Neysa

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

@leepalmer95 The Nature's Gift passive only returns 250 WHEN healing an Ally, not when healing self
Armour buff gives MINOR protection, Winter's Embrace utti gives major, but so does Nova

If you're going to cry about a class, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

Nova is stationary, while permafrost follows you and permafrost has better uptime.

Restoring Focus gives you Minor Protection AND minor Vitality

Waffennacht

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

I gonna guess the stun is blockable like deep Fissure

Maura_Neysa

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

what "Root that you think is a stun" Its definitly a stun

Unless you're just talking about Chilled and Frost damage secondary effects

Maura_Neysa

Waffennacht wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

I gonna guess the stun is blockable like deep Fissure

Don't know if its Blockade, but you have to take damage 3 times for the stun to happen

BohnT

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

@leepalmer95 The Nature's Gift passive only returns 250 WHEN healing an Ally, not when healing self
Armour buff gives MINOR protection, Winter's Embrace utti gives major, but so does Nova

If you're going to cry about a class, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

Nova is stationary, while permafrost follows you and permafrost has better uptime.

Restoring Focus gives you Minor Protection AND minor Vitality

While warden still has major mending, gains minor protection with a skill that works for everyone in a huge radius is the only class that can apply major maim on cooldown.

Thogard

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

what "Root that you think is a stun" Its definitly a stun

Unless you're just talking about Chilled and Frost damage secondary effects

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about.

Maura_Neysa

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

@leepalmer95 The Nature's Gift passive only returns 250 WHEN healing an Ally, not when healing self
Armour buff gives MINOR protection, Winter's Embrace utti gives major, but so does Nova

If you're going to cry about a class, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

Nova is stationary, while permafrost follows you and permafrost has better uptime.

Restoring Focus gives you Minor Protection AND minor Vitality

While warden still has major mending, gains minor protection with a skill that works for everyone in a huge radius is the only class that can apply major maim on cooldown.

Major mending that has limits.
Minor Protection is only for the caster. Oh and that morph has an 8 meter radius
Major Maim IF you can get them to walk into it. And considering I'M the only person I've ever seen run Gate in PvP or PvE then why are you worried about that one?!?

Thogard wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

what "Root that you think is a stun" Its definitly a stun

Unless you're just talking about Chilled and Frost damage secondary effects

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about.

You want to worry about Chilled the most under used elemental effect in the game?!? Meanwhile everyone is crying because their off balance from lighting is going to get "used up"

Edit: By the way they nerfed chilled with Horns of the Reach

Thogard

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

@leepalmer95 The Nature's Gift passive only returns 250 WHEN healing an Ally, not when healing self
Armour buff gives MINOR protection, Winter's Embrace utti gives major, but so does Nova

If you're going to cry about a class, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

Nova is stationary, while permafrost follows you and permafrost has better uptime.

Restoring Focus gives you Minor Protection AND minor Vitality

While warden still has major mending, gains minor protection with a skill that works for everyone in a huge radius is the only class that can apply major maim on cooldown.

Major mending that has limits.
Minor Protection is only for the caster. Oh and that morph has an 8 meter radius
Major Maim IF you can get them to walk into it. And considering I'M the only person I've ever seen run Gate in PvP or PvE then why are you worried about that one?!?

Thogard wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

what "Root that you think is a stun" Its definitly a stun

Unless you're just talking about Chilled and Frost damage secondary effects

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about.

You want to worry about Chilled the most under used elemental effect in the game?!? Meanwhile everyone is crying because their off balance from lighting is going to get "used up"

Edit: By the way they nerfed chilled with Horns of the Reach

No, I said that wasn’t what I was referring to.

Maura_Neysa

[BohnT;c-4738134"]

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

Thogard wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

what "Root that you think is a stun" Its definitly a stun

Unless you're just talking about Chilled and Frost damage secondary effects

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about.

You want to worry about Chilled the most under used elemental effect in the game?!? Meanwhile everyone is crying because their off balance from lighting is going to get "used up"

Edit: By the way they nerfed chilled with Horns of the Reach

No, I said that wasn’t what I was referring to.

"yeah that's what I'm talking about" Unless you're being sarcastic, which I could believe, but then no correction?

Either way Wardens have a 200% chance to apply Chilled (from class abilities), Permafrost damage once a second for 8 seconds, damaging a Chilled target with a Frost ability will cause Deep Freeze, a root. So its not to hard to believe you've getting hit with some Deep Freezes too. And if they're anything like me, they're running Blockade of lce, Gripping Shards, and Arctic Blast too for even more CC and the 70% slow.

BohnT

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

@leepalmer95 The Nature's Gift passive only returns 250 WHEN healing an Ally, not when healing self
Armour buff gives MINOR protection, Winter's Embrace utti gives major, but so does Nova

If you're going to cry about a class, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

Nova is stationary, while permafrost follows you and permafrost has better uptime.

Restoring Focus gives you Minor Protection AND minor Vitality

While warden still has major mending, gains minor protection with a skill that works for everyone in a huge radius is the only class that can apply major maim on cooldown.

Major mending that has limits.
Minor Protection is only for the caster. Oh and that morph has an 8 meter radius
Major Maim IF you can get them to walk into it. And considering I'M the only person I've ever seen run Gate in PvP or PvE then why are you worried about that one?!?

Thogard wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

what "Root that you think is a stun" Its definitly a stun

Unless you're just talking about Chilled and Frost damage secondary effects

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about.

You want to worry about Chilled the most under used elemental effect in the game?!? Meanwhile everyone is crying because their off balance from lighting is going to get "used up"

Edit: By the way they nerfed chilled with Horns of the Reach

In intese fights you'll have almost 70% uptime of major mending. Hm i can't decide what's better no major mending or the the highest uptime for all classes atm while doing your job.
Templar's minor protection works only for yourself aswell just like the other buffs the skill grants. Single target vs 8m radius.
Because easy access to major maim shouldn't be in the game? It's so easy to lure people into the trap over and over again especially when you throw them into zergs it's a slap to the face for templar who used to be the only class that could apply major maim bit only with an expensive stationary low dmg ult.

Maura_Neysa

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

It's not how well YOU do or how well some good players do on certain classes.

The point is comparing warden currently to other classes.

Top burst - Warden, birds/ shalk combined with literally anything.

Top Healing - Warden/ magplar , warden has major mending, class heals, heal ults etc... lots of healing.

Maybe top Sustain - Warden - 12% regen, 250 magicka/ stamina a second thanks to passives. If not the top sustain its pretty close.

Top tankyiness - Shimmering negates ranged builds completely, low cost, gives magicka back so it costs around 800 or something if you get the full return, MAJOR heroism which is a very strong effect. It also works against attacks that can't be reflected such as force pulse and birds. Armour buff also gives major protection ...

I usually just run away and ignore wardens on my mag sorc now as there is nothing i can actually do apart from wait for a meteor and hope the warden is stupid enough to not put up shimmering in 5s it takes for me to set up maximum burst, also hope the burst crits enough to instant kill them...

@leepalmer95 The Nature's Gift passive only returns 250 WHEN healing an Ally, not when healing self
Armour buff gives MINOR protection, Winter's Embrace utti gives major, but so does Nova

If you're going to cry about a class, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

Nova is stationary, while permafrost follows you and permafrost has better uptime.

Restoring Focus gives you Minor Protection AND minor Vitality

While warden still has major mending, gains minor protection with a skill that works for everyone in a huge radius is the only class that can apply major maim on cooldown.

Major mending that has limits.
Minor Protection is only for the caster. Oh and that morph has an 8 meter radius
Major Maim IF you can get them to walk into it. And considering I'M the only person I've ever seen run Gate in PvP or PvE then why are you worried about that one?!?

Thogard wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

what "Root that you think is a stun" Its definitly a stun

Unless you're just talking about Chilled and Frost damage secondary effects

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about.

You want to worry about Chilled the most under used elemental effect in the game?!? Meanwhile everyone is crying because their off balance from lighting is going to get "used up"

Edit: By the way they nerfed chilled with Horns of the Reach

In intese fights you'll have almost 70% uptime of major mending. Hm i can't decide what's better no major mending or the the highest uptime for all classes atm while doing your job.
Templar's minor protection works only for yourself aswell just like the other buffs the skill grants. Single target vs 8m radius.
Because easy access to major maim shouldn't be in the game? It's so easy to lure people into the trap over and over again especially when you throw them into zergs it's a slap to the face for templar who used to be the only class that could apply major maim bit only with an expensive stationary low dmg ult.

Yes group Major Ward/ Major Resolve is good. Its one of the things that makes Wardens actually compete with DKs as tanks, so thats not going anywhere.
Again, if Frozen Gate is so godly, why have I NEVER seen anyone other than me running it, even in PVE I havent seen it and its friggen chains.
Major Mending you have to be pretty much in exicute range and can only trigger it with certain skill, yes its good, not nearly as good as Igneous Shield + Vigor/Coagulated Blood. Unless you are referring to healers who have a group of people to trigger it. Still 100% minor mending uptime is better. Thats why Wardens didn't replace Templars as top healer

Thogard

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

[BohnT;c-4738134"]

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People keep getting side tracked on this thread.

Thogard wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Is it just me or is the CC on permafrost kinda buggy?
Edit: I mean on top of that whole “root that you think is a stun” thing

what "Root that you think is a stun" Its definitly a stun

Unless you're just talking about Chilled and Frost damage secondary effects

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about.

You want to worry about Chilled the most under used elemental effect in the game?!? Meanwhile everyone is crying because their off balance from lighting is going to get "used up"

Edit: By the way they nerfed chilled with Horns of the Reach

No, I said that wasn’t what I was referring to.

"yeah that's what I'm talking about" Unless you're being sarcastic, which I could believe, but then no correction?

Either way Wardens have a 200% chance to apply Chilled (from class abilities), Permafrost damage once a second for 8 seconds, damaging a Chilled target with a Frost ability will cause Deep Freeze, a root. So its not to hard to believe you've getting hit with some Deep Freezes too. And if they're anything like me, they're running Blockade of lce, Gripping Shards, and Arctic Blast too for even more CC and the 70% slow.

“On top of” means in addition to. Go up a post.