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Stam Sorc this, Stam Sorc that...
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Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭timalcs_ESO wrote: »All I hear is the only class that can effectively solo veteran dungeons and World bosses is Stam Sorc... I haven’t played in a while but what happened to DKs and Magblades being able to solo hard veteran content? Are there any other classes that can effectively solo veteran/hard mode content in Morrowind?
Shut your mouth and leave my favorite variation of a class alone.2 -
maniac4maniac✭✭✭Dont see Stam Sorcs in a new trial runs at all, but magBlades and magSorcs, so even if new endgame content is made for only several classes for score runs, it already should tell you a lotEdited by maniac4maniac on December 9, 2017 6:11AM2
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You should have been here the first couple years of this game, you wouldn't have heard anything about stam sorcs at all.2 -
Pele✭✭✭✭✭I have no issues soloing WBs/dungeons as a StamNB, Magicka Sorc, Stam Sorc, Magicka DK, StamDK. I can do this on my sub-50 scrub alts wearing scrub gear with no CP alotted and on my CP toons.
I haven't tried other classes, but I'm guessing I'd be able to solo with them as well because a major part of being able to do this isn't a player's class; it's a player's skill.0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Call me again when stam sorcs are in a place they are considered anything more but "okayish-good" for anything but soloing mediocre content.1 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Call me again when stam sorcs are in a place they are considered anything more but "okayish-good" for anything but soloing mediocre content.
Stam Sorcs (and Mag Sorcs) are strong in all content. Not the best, but consistent.3 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Call me again when stam sorcs are in a place they are considered anything more but "okayish-good" for anything but soloing mediocre content.
Stam Sorcs (and Mag Sorcs) are strong in all content. Not the best, but consistent.
Jack of all trades, master of none, huh? Again, beside soloing content for personal reasons, in which scenario would you prefer a stam sorc over everything else?1 -
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✭✭Soloing WBs on mag sorc is insanely easy.
When your ward pops for nearly 30k, it gives you a lot of leeway to take damage. And then you have the matriarch to heal you.
@Blanco
Try this boss without dying and having all his ads up.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Valeguard_Tower0 -
Pinja✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Call me again when stam sorcs are in a place they are considered anything more but "okayish-good" for anything but soloing mediocre content.
Stam Sorcs (and Mag Sorcs) are strong in all content. Not the best, but consistent.
Jack of all trades, master of none, huh? Again, beside soloing content for personal reasons, in which scenario would you prefer a stam sorc over everything else?
Not going to push to far in it, templars got it dks got it. DoTH
+nightblade has mix single & AoE.0 -
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✭✭✭✭lol stam sorc are far from OP right now.
Pretty much any mag class can solo the content if played right.
For stamina, it can get trickier but I think stam warden is a good candidate
While true, MagDK’s are on the low-end of the spectrum. I never thought I’d be saying this, but I find MagDens to be even more efficient and reliable than MagDK’s. And magicka Wardens have absolutely horrible DPS. MagDK’s are in that awful of a place currently.
Yeah I'd rather play my magDK.0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Call me again when stam sorcs are in a place they are considered anything more but "okayish-good" for anything but soloing mediocre content.
Stam Sorcs (and Mag Sorcs) are strong in all content. Not the best, but consistent.
Jack of all trades, master of none, huh? Again, beside soloing content for personal reasons, in which scenario would you prefer a stam sorc over everything else?
I’d say they are best for learning content, and for scenarios where you won’t get many heals from your allies. Like if you are first running a specific Vet trial, Stam Sorc is amazing. Surge is an amazing HoT that is a huge benefit to the class.
You could definitely say Sorc is a Jack of all trades.... too bad the Warden class was meant to do that but failed miserably
Personally I prefer Sorc for all scenarios because I’ve been a Mag Sorc main since launch. I also play Stam Sorc sometimes too though..... so I’m a Sorc lol. Would’ve loved to quit all that to main a Mag Warden but they are horrible in PvE.Edited by Vaoh on December 9, 2017 2:19PM1 -
Pinja✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Call me again when stam sorcs are in a place they are considered anything more but "okayish-good" for anything but soloing mediocre content.
Stam Sorcs (and Mag Sorcs) are strong in all content. Not the best, but consistent.
Jack of all trades, master of none, huh? Again, beside soloing content for personal reasons, in which scenario would you prefer a stam sorc over everything else?
I’d say they are “best” for learning content, and for scenarios where you won’t get many heals from your allies. Like if you are first running a specific Vet trial, Stam Sorc is amazing. Critical Surge is an amazing HoT.
You could definitely say Sorc is a Jack of all trades.... too bad the Warden class was meant to do that but failed miserably
@Vaoh Explain?Edited by Pinja on December 9, 2017 2:20PM0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Call me again when stam sorcs are in a place they are considered anything more but "okayish-good" for anything but soloing mediocre content.Stam Sorcs (and Mag Sorcs) are strong in all content. Not the best, but consistent.
Jack of all trades, master of none, huh? Again, beside soloing content for personal reasons, in which scenario would you prefer a stam sorc over everything else?
I’d say they are “best” for learning content, and for scenarios where you won’t get many heals from your allies. Like if you are first running a specific Vet trial, Stam Sorc is amazing. Critical Surge is an amazing HoT.
You could definitely say Sorc is a Jack of all trades....too bad the Warden class was meant to do that but failed miserably
@Vaoh Explain?
Wardens were supposed to be the “jack of all trades” class. Problem is...
• They are the worst Stamina DPS class
• They are the worst Magicka DPS class
• They are decent tanks but are almost always beaten by DK. You basically only take them to feel different.
• They are completely outclassed at healing by Templars
With the exception of tanking, Warden is pretty terrible. Pretty far off from a jack of all trades. That’s why you see so few Wardens on the trial leaderboards. It’s the class you choose to feel special.1 -
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LOL
It's not like you have to attack AND crit to make surge heal you.
The Matriarch is a burst heal, the two things are so different they aren't even comparable. It's like comparing shields to healing (something people here also do).
Shields and healing are very similar. Shields provide you with Effective Health. That is to say you hit a button and you get a bar full of "stuff" that lets you take more damage.
Shields however are better in many ways. You can use them at all times over top of your actual health so it is always effective (you need to take damage in order for a heal to be effective), they can't be crit, and there is no mechanic available to lesson your shields like defile does for heals.
Heals can crit, but shields can't. This is mostly balanced by the fact that you can't crit a hit on shields. In PvP anyway.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Call me again when stam sorcs are in a place they are considered anything more but "okayish-good" for anything but soloing mediocre content.
Stam Sorcs (and Mag Sorcs) are strong in all content. Not the best, but consistent.
Jack of all trades, master of none, huh? Again, beside soloing content for personal reasons, in which scenario would you prefer a stam sorc over everything else?
I’d say they are “best” for learning content, and for scenarios where you won’t get many heals from your allies. Like if you are first running a specific Vet trial, Stam Sorc is amazing. Critical Surge is an amazing HoT.
You could definitely say Sorc is a Jack of all trades.... too bad the Warden class was meant to do that but failed miserably
@Vaoh Explain?
It ended up being the master of all trades. at least for PvP that is the case.
Now let me explain before I start my rant, zos decided to make a ''support'' class that would be easy to play, and would be good at every role, idea was making the game easy for newbies, but no matter how many advantages you give to a pug, a pug is still a pug. and when you make an easy mode class/item set/mechanic, good players are gonna abuse the crap out of it.
just like how it was on proc sets... anyways,back to the point.
so because zos decided to make the same mistake for how many *** times in a row now, we ended up with:
a stamwarden that is as fast as a stamsorc,as tanky as a stamDk,can burst as good as a stamblade,has better utility and can heal allies better than a stamplar...
I hate to use buzzwords but stamwarden is a clear pay to win class for open world solo PvP. Nothing comes close to it.
ıts a master of everything class that can do anything it wants to. as long as the player knows what he is doing.
Didn't really played a magwarden so I don't know whats the case for them. but I witnessed them 2-3 shotting people from range
Edited by Ragnarock41 on December 9, 2017 2:34PM0 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
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LOL
It's not like you have to attack AND crit to make surge heal you.
The Matriarch is a burst heal, the two things are so different they aren't even comparable. It's like comparing shields to healing (something people here also do).
Shields and healing are very similar. Shields provide you with Effective Health. That is to say you hit a button and you get a bar full of "stuff" that lets you take more damage.
Shields however are better in many ways. You can use them at all times over top of your actual health so it is always effective (you need to take damage in order for a heal to be effective), they can't be crit, and there is no mechanic available to lesson your shields like defile does for heals.
Heals can crit, but shields can't. This is mostly balanced by the fact that you can't crit a hit on shields. In PvP anyway.
Shields and healing aren't comparable, it's not something that even begins to make sense. You're comparing two separate things
I'm not denying that they aren't better, that is offset by the fact that stam has higher damageEdited by Betsararie on December 9, 2017 2:46PM0 -
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✭Is twice fanged snake still good for Stam Sorc? I have my High Elf magsorc but prefer stamina, so was going to go 5x tfs 3x VO, asylum greatsword/bow and stormfist0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Can someone post that magsorc naked vMA run?
Meh...not that impressive. Those shields carries that run.......make it on a stamcharacter and you got my attention0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Can someone post that magsorc naked vMA run?
Meh...not that impressive. Those shields carries that run.......make it on a stamcharacter and you got my attention
you completely missed the point, sir.1