Stam Sorc this, Stam Sorc that...

timalcs_ESO

All I hear is the only class that can effectively solo veteran dungeons and World bosses is Stam Sorc... I haven’t played in a while but what happened to DKs and Magblades being able to solo hard veteran content? Are there any other classes that can effectively solo veteran/hard mode content in Morrowind?

Aliyavana

mag sorc

Banana

Nerf sorcerers

Morgul667

lol stam sorc are far from OP right now.

Pretty much any mag class can solo the content if played right.

For stamina, it can get trickier but I think stam warden is a good candidate

Icy_Waffles

Stam sorc is better than most of the other stsm classes for soloing. Mag sorc truly can solo even better.

Ch4mpTW

Morgul667 wrote: »

lol stam sorc are far from OP right now.

Pretty much any mag class can solo the content if played right.

For stamina, it can get trickier but I think stam warden is a good candidate

While true, MagDK’s are on the low-end of the spectrum. I never thought I’d be saying this, but I find MagDens to be even more efficient and reliable than MagDK’s. And magicka Wardens have absolutely horrible DPS. MagDK’s are in that awful of a place currently.

Betsararie

Soloing WBs on mag sorc is insanely easy.

When your ward pops for nearly 30k, it gives you a lot of leeway to take damage. And then you have the matriarch to heal you.

timalcs_ESO

Blanco wrote: »

Soloing WBs on mag sorc is insanely easy.

When your ward pops for nearly 30k, it gives you a lot of leeway to take damage. And then you have the matriarch to heal you.

Ok well at least it isn’t Stam Sorc but it’s still a Sorc lol. Maybe a Stamden? Looks pretty efficient in terms of survivability, self heals and damage. But I haven’t played in forever so just speculating. Just looking for a class that can solo for fun when friends aren’t online essentially that isn’t a Sorc.. used to play sap tank and DK back in the day but apparently Morrowind changed a lot mechanically.

firedrgn

I have both stam and mag. Mag is way easier. And I have soloed on both.

Morgul667

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

lol stam sorc are far from OP right now.

Pretty much any mag class can solo the content if played right.

For stamina, it can get trickier but I think stam warden is a good candidate

While true, MagDK’s are on the low-end of the spectrum. I never thought I’d be saying this, but I find MagDens to be even more efficient and reliable than MagDK’s. And magicka Wardens have absolutely horrible DPS. MagDK’s are in that awful of a place currently.

MagDK sure could use some love

ak_pvp

I feel nearly any class can solo them, nothing special about stamsorc... At all tbh. EDIT: Well surge+hurricane makes a nice easy self heal, which is great for vMA. But soloing vet dungeons is often about bending around mechanics that require a tank/support/extra DPS (Though one good player can make it up because of the power creep and some dungeons having a rather low bar.) Extra heals one stop a one shot.

I know any can solo most WBs. And some vet dungeons any magicka class can, with most stamina able to, with a little difficulty. Some dungeons are obviously too hard to solo, or have mechanics that require a pet to be a scapegoat. (WGT/FG2)

Runefang

Stam Sorcs have one of the best self heals of any stam toon, no Vigor needed. That's why they're rated highly in a solo context, it doesn't make them a great class overall though. Nobody wants them in vet Trials.

ArchMikem

I dunno why StamSorcs are all the rage. If you go Stamina the only class skills you can use are Hurricane and Crit Surge. Everything else is Magic so any Stam build can barely even call themselves a Sorc.

I tried respeccing my Sorc to Stamina more than once (and spent a lot of gold in the process..) and I just couldn't get the hang of it. The point of it all is to just have Hurricane up constantly and max out your physical pen and damage. I don't like the shoe horning. MagSorcs feel a lot better in a fight.

Sixty5

You can realistically solo anything a stam sorc can on any other class.

Stam sorcs just work well solo because of their simplicity as well as the combination of Surge and Hurricane.
Additionally Sorcerors have access to the best class passives in the game, making them stronger on the low end baseline.

You won't pull the same numbers as a stam dk or nightblade as a Stam Sorc, especially when solo, but the class is much simpler, and comes with a lot more built in cleave damage.

Zordrage

and no one talks about poor Magplars ????????

Drummerx04

Really any class stam or mag can solo the vast majority of content using typical end game dps builds.

Bbsample197

Zoliru wrote: »

and no one talks about poor Magplars ????????

what are you talking about? magplars are one of the best.... best healers

Ch4mpTW

Zoliru wrote: »

and no one talks about poor Magplars ????????

MagPlars are at least better than MagDK’s... Especially when looked at from a sustain perspective. Sustaining DPS on a MagDK is pure doo-doo. Dookie. It’s horribly rough on a class that is supposedly setup to sustain itself.

D0PAMINE

Morgul667 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

lol stam sorc are far from OP right now.

Pretty much any mag class can solo the content if played right.

For stamina, it can get trickier but I think stam warden is a good candidate

While true, MagDK’s are on the low-end of the spectrum. I never thought I’d be saying this, but I find MagDens to be even more efficient and reliable than MagDK’s. And magicka Wardens have absolutely horrible DPS. MagDK’s are in that awful of a place currently.

MagDK sure could use some love

I still do well on my MagDK.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Everyone is saying "Stamsorc this" and "Stamsorc that". But no one is saying "Worship this" and "Jericho that".

Izaki

Blanco wrote: »

Soloing WBs on mag sorc is insanely easy.

When your ward pops for nearly 30k, it gives you a lot of leeway to take damage. And then you have the matriarch to heal you.

Why use a Matriarch when you have Surge?

ccfeeling

Which ever , sorc is simple and effective .
This is ZOS intention , no idea .

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

LMAO!
Stam sorcs are already ..."not the best choice"... in PvP thanks to all the ..."protest".

Ch4mpTW

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Soloing WBs on mag sorc is insanely easy.

When your ward pops for nearly 30k, it gives you a lot of leeway to take damage. And then you have the matriarch to heal you.

Why use a Matriarch when you have Surge?

Works with Necropotence, is a burst heal similar to the classic BoL from Templars, is decent/moderate passive damage, and can draw aggro when solo’ing to make things easier somewhat.

Vaoh

Any class can solo Vet dungeons and world bosses. Atm the best would be Magicka/Stamina Sorcerers and Nightblades for sure.

Templars are strong as well but would be much better if ZOS bug-fixed their class-defining DPS skills. Only a minor thing to ask for, right ZOS?

DKs and Wardens in general aren’t as good for Vet dungeons. Stamina DK and Warden are fine. Magicka DK and Warden lack damage and effective HoTs.

timalcs_ESO

Vaoh wrote: »

Any class can solo Vet dungeons and world bosses. Atm the best would be Magicka/Stamina Sorcerers and Nightblades for sure.

Templars are strong as well but would be much better if ZOS bug-fixed their class-defining DPS skills. Only a minor thing to ask for, right ZOS?

DKs and Wardens in general aren’t as good for Vet dungeons. Stamina DK and Warden are fine. Magicka DK and Warden lack damage and effective HoTs.

Warden is my highest level class at the moment, should I level my Nightblade instead if I intend to solo things like World bosses and dungeons? Stamina ok or Magicka recommended? I just don’t like Sorc for some reason

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

magsorc can vma naked...literally... =.=

Vaoh

timalcs_ESO wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Any class can solo Vet dungeons and world bosses. Atm the best would be Magicka/Stamina Sorcerers and Nightblades for sure.

Templars are strong as well but would be much better if ZOS bug-fixed their class-defining DPS skills. Only a minor thing to ask for, right ZOS?

DKs and Wardens in general aren’t as good for Vet dungeons. Stamina DK and Warden are fine. Magicka DK and Warden lack damage and effective HoTs.

Warden is my highest level class at the moment, should I level my Nightblade instead if I intend to solo things like World bosses and dungeons? Stamina ok or Magicka recommended? I just don’t like Sorc for some reason

Play what you like best is my recommendation. Only when running Vet trials or solo Vet content will some classes truly be *much* more effective than others.

Unfortunately Magicka Warden is the weakest spec in the game and by quite a bit. It’s pretty nice in PvP but not at all for PvE.

Your Champion Rank is also a huge factor. Saying Warden is your highest class makes me think you’re low CP, in which case soloing stuff will be much tougher. For an idea of the difficulty of solo content:
• Overland/Delve solo stuff is extraordinarily easy even at 0CP
• World Bosses are generally sorta easy but hit hard, and can become much tougher in DLC areas. Their difficulty is aimed at that of a Vet dungeon boss
• Solo Normal dungeons and Maelstrom Arena are around the same difficulty. Very doable but still much more difficult with low CP. Some dungeons cannot be completed due to certain mechanics though (requires a group).
• Solo Vet dungeons and Vet Maelstrom Arena are *much* tougher and extremely difficult even for Max CP players. vMA is ridiculously tough until you learn all of the mechanics (then it feels way easier). There are very few players who can solo the more difficult Vet dungeons like CoA II, and basically no one can solo the DLC dungeons. Some of the dungeons are easier to solo than others though. I’d say the difficulty of solo Vet dungeons is higher than that of vMA in almost all dungeons.

300CP is the lowest CP you want to have before running Veteran Maelstrom Arena or (solo) Vet dungeons. Remember those dungeons are GROUP content..... they are made to be done with 4ppl. Vet dungeons are the toughest solo content in the game and some cannot be completed at all due to the requirement of a group for certain boss fight mechanics.

Magicka setups are definitely stronger for solo play until you have higher CP (like 300CP).

The choice whether to play Magicka or Stamina is entirely up to you. They are very different play styles but both work. I recommend NB over Warden. Use what you like best though!

Mag Wardens do have one very powerful tool which is the option to spam Shimmering Shield when a bunch of enemies cast projectiles at you in solo content. They are still weak though. If you choose Magicka I recommend your NB, otherwise use either of them if choosing Stamina.

SaRuZ

Honestly, sorc is my favorite class. I started with Magsorc, went to Stamsorc and then back to magsorc. I'm leveling a storc atm. I have tried the other classes but just couldn't get into them. I'll try a magblade one day to see what the fuss is about.

Betsararie

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Soloing WBs on mag sorc is insanely easy.

When your ward pops for nearly 30k, it gives you a lot of leeway to take damage. And then you have the matriarch to heal you.

Why use a Matriarch when you have Surge?

LOL

It's not like you have to attack AND crit to make surge heal you.

The Matriarch is a burst heal, the two things are so different they aren't even comparable. It's like comparing shields to healing (something people here also do).

timalcs_ESO

Vaoh wrote: »

Play what you like best is my recommendation. Only when running Vet trials or solo Vet content will some classes truly be *much* more effective than others.

Unfortunately Magicka Warden is the weakest spec in the game and by quite a bit. It’s pretty nice in PvP but not at all for PvE.

Your Champion Rank is also a huge factor. Saying Warden is your highest class makes me think you’re low CP, in which case soloing stuff will be much tougher. For an idea of the difficulty of solo content:
• Overland/Delve solo stuff is extraordinarily easy even at 0CP
• World Bosses are generally sorta easy but hit hard, and can become much tougher in DLC areas. Their difficulty is aimed at that of a Vet dungeon boss
• Solo Normal dungeons and Maelstrom Arena are around the same difficulty. Very doable but still much more difficult with low CP. Some dungeons cannot be completed due to certain mechanics though (requires a group).
• Solo Vet dungeons and Vet Maelstrom Arena are *much* tougher and extremely difficult even for Max CP players. vMA is ridiculously tough until you learn all of the mechanics (then it feels way easier). There are very few players who can solo the more difficult Vet dungeons like CoA II, and basically no one can solo the DLC dungeons. Some of the dungeons are easier to solo than others though. I’d say the difficulty of solo Vet dungeons is higher than that of vMA in almost all dungeons.

300CP is the lowest CP you want to have before running Veteran Maelstrom Arena or (solo) Vet dungeons. Remember those dungeons are GROUP content..... they are made to be done with 4ppl. Vet dungeons are the toughest solo content in the game and some cannot be completed at all due to the requirement of a group for certain boss fight mechanics.

Magicka setups are definitely stronger for solo play until you have higher CP (like 300CP).

The choice whether to play Magicka or Stamina is entirely up to you. They are very different play styles but both work. I recommend NB over Warden. Use what you like best though!

Mag Wardens do have one very powerful tool which is the option to spam Shimmering Shield when a bunch of enemies cast projectiles at you in solo content. They are still weak though. If you choose Magicka I recommend your NB, otherwise use either of them if choosing Stamina.

Oh no no I originally played on PC a while back and haven’t played since unlimited Tamriel came out. I’m only level 40 or so on my stamina Warden able to solo public dungeons and group delves... but I keep hearing Wardens aren’t that great. So I went online looking for more info and kept coming across Stam Sorcs. Just trying to figure out if I should switch to my Nightblade(sounds like that’s your second favorite for solo) before I get too invested in the Warden since whenever my friends aren’t on eventually I’m usually going to be solo trying to take on dungeons and World bosses solo at max level. Will probably end up switching to Magicka builds after everything I’ve been reading too