Lets Talk Templar ults.

Animus-ESO

I have been playing Templar for about 2 years. Names "Dude-Where's-my-guar" on PC NA. Over this time I realize templar is in a decent spot right now but I feel like the class is lacking something very specific. Templar lacks any decent ultimate. I mainly PVP and it seems like every duel I get into end up with salty tells about using soul assault. If I had a class ult that actually worked well Id used it. But for templar my only options are soul assault, meteor, or bat swarm.
I sit there and drool watching mDK using leap, or mNB using soul harvest.I wish I had an iconic ult that really puts a staple on my class. So I am proposing a rework on the spear ult on templar.

-Empowering Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] Magic Damage to target and additional [y] Magic Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 10 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit.)
empowering Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

Crescent Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] physical Damage to target and additional [y] physical Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Initial target takes 15% more initial damage.)
Crescent Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

As for the animation. There is a specific group of NPC's in Wrothgar who basicly teleport into the sky, then land right infront of you dealing damage, I feel like this would be an amazing animation they could give templars. It looks very similar to spear shards, but instead of throwing the spear, we hold onto it. I've modeled this ult from dragon leap in a sense. I feel like that is a very balanced class ult, But instead of the stereo typical knock down, I went for a different style of CC that has yet to be used on player skills, Staggering. Alot of NPC's can stagger you, this is when they hit you with some special attack and your character takes a few steps back not being able to perform any skills. It doesn't last as long as a knock down and it isn't a stun. I picked this because I think it could give templars a unique flavor of CC.
What are your thoughts?

Cinbri

That what OP talking about

Rickter

+1 to @Cinbri

But yeah even so, just to play devils advocate: templars nova is pretty iconic. Its heavily featured in pve and i love when my templars tun it in group pvp.

Just wanted to throw that out there. Just because it doesnt provide burst kills doesnt mean its trash.


Also, a little short sighted dawnbreaker isnt on your list of alternatives.

paulsimonps

All 3 Templar Ultimates are used in different parts of the game. Stamplars use Cresent sweep in PvE with Warmachine to give Major Slayer. Nova is used by healers in both PvE and PvP. And Remembrance is used in PvP A LOT by Templars. So that is 2 PvP ultimates and 2 PvE ultimates, all 3 are included. I think Templars are in a good spot Ultimate wise.

Cresent Sweep fits really well into rotations of Stamplars and don't really feel it to be changed, adding a teleport to it would probably slow down the rotation. As well Templars already have a gap closer so no need to make it a gap closing ultimate. However, for magplars changing the Empowering could be something that could be looked at. I don't like OPs suggestion for Teleport Ultimate but something else to look at might be in order.

TrinityBreaker

I would honest to god love that change for the spear ult

Animus-ESO

Cinbri wrote: »

That what OP talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wql81mo8hk

Yesss can I edit the post and put this in there?

akredon_ESO

I agree i think the Templar Ults need some work or maybe a change to the utility. Current meta i feel like puts Templar ults in the back, compared to other classes.

Animus-ESO

paulsimonps wrote: »

All 3 Templar Ultimates are used in different parts of the game. Stamplars use Cresent sweep in PvE with Warmachine to give Major Slayer. Nova is used by healers in both PvE and PvP. And Remembrance is used in PvP A LOT by Templars. So that is 2 PvP ultimates and 2 PvE ultimates, all 3 are included. I think Templars are in a good spot Ultimate wise.

Cresent Sweep fits really well into rotations of Stamplars and don't really feel it to be changed, adding a teleport to it would probably slow down the rotation. As well Templars already have a gap closer so no need to make it a gap closing ultimate. However, for magplars changing the Empowering could be something that could be looked at. I don't like OPs suggestion for Teleport Ultimate but something else to look at might be in order.

Why in the world would a templar use nova over meteor or EoTS in pvp? Its 100 ult more, you can't use it when your alone, its stationary, and theres a chance that the synergy will bug and no allys can activate it. If this would be even remotely a viable pvp ult i think we would see it in vids. Remembrance is completely out classed by the restro staff ult. Im simply asking for a damn cheap, solid damage ult for a templar. The only reason any stamplar uses crescent is because its cheap. Its a *** poor ult, everyone uses dawn breaker of smiting over it 99% of the time.

usmcjdking

Nova is too incredibly situational and sweep is still fairly unreliable in PVP due to lag.

paulsimonps

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

All 3 Templar Ultimates are used in different parts of the game. Stamplars use Cresent sweep in PvE with Warmachine to give Major Slayer. Nova is used by healers in both PvE and PvP. And Remembrance is used in PvP A LOT by Templars. So that is 2 PvP ultimates and 2 PvE ultimates, all 3 are included. I think Templars are in a good spot Ultimate wise.

Cresent Sweep fits really well into rotations of Stamplars and don't really feel it to be changed, adding a teleport to it would probably slow down the rotation. As well Templars already have a gap closer so no need to make it a gap closing ultimate. However, for magplars changing the Empowering could be something that could be looked at. I don't like OPs suggestion for Teleport Ultimate but something else to look at might be in order.

Why in the world would a templar use nova over meteor or EoTS in pvp? Its 100 ult more, you can't use it when your alone, its stationary, and theres a chance that the synergy will bug and no allys can activate it. If this would be even remotely a viable pvp ult i think we would see it in vids. Remembrance is completely out classed by the restro staff ult. Im simply asking for a damn cheap, solid damage ult for a templar. The only reason any stamplar uses crescent is because its cheap. Its a *** poor ult, everyone uses dawn breaker of smiting over it 99% of the time.

I would never either, BUT go into Vivec and you will see that thing cast down A LOT.

Sixty5

I'd honestly just recommend dawnbreaker if you want an offensive ult.

Aoe stun plus high damage. Tried it out on my mag sorc after getting tired of how long destro ult took to charge in battlegrounds, and honestly it feels really good.

Animus-ESO

Sixty5 wrote: »

I'd honestly just recommend dawnbreaker if you want an offensive ult.

Aoe stun plus high damage. Tried it out on my mag sorc after getting tired of how long destro ult took to charge in battlegrounds, and honestly it feels really good.

Man stop trying to get us to use this bandaid. Its a stamina based ult in a stamina based fighter guild tree. Im trying to get some positive changes on my favorite class here.

Left4Daud

Just commenting to say I love the name of your character and appreciate the reference even if the movie kinda sucks. And yeah, wouldn't mind Templar ults getting a visual rework to match what @Cinbri posted.

dodgehopper_ESO

The fact you said Bat Swarm makes me twitch. I'll be honest with you my Templar is a Vampire as well but the whole concept makes me want to vomit. A crusading holy knight... vampire. WTF? I'm sure there are a few Templar Vampires out there who want to play the fallen priest/holy soldier. I reckon the rest of us do it because Templar is *** when it comes to recovery (stamina or magicka). I've talked about this before but thematically the whole notion makes me ill. I'm fine with a player wanting to play this way but the fact that the design flaw of the class makes Vampire so damn attractive is infuriating.

On the matter of Templar ultimates I'll just say its more than the Ultimates that sucked out the salt and savor of the Templar class. Templar was my first character, it was my favorite character, and from a thematic perspective it still is. It is however a clunky, annoying, dull class to play. It has been so dumbed down and altered I find it unrecognizable. I find Templar loathesome in its fallen state. It has no cc. It has no recovery. Its either a magplar healbot or a stamplar burst machine. Its boring. Its uninteresting, and I hate it. I absolutely hate this class, and a subtle change to some Ults won't change that fact.

Yellow_Monolith

Sweep hits harder than dawnbreaker and Remembrance is basically a 100% heal. Nova is great for burning the boss in pve too. The real problem is the passive effect mostly magicka skills and are not hugely stamplar friendly

Animus-ESO

Left4Daud wrote: »

Just commenting to say I love the name of your character and appreciate the reference even if the movie kinda sucks. And yeah, wouldn't mind Templar ults getting a visual rework to match what @Cinbri posted.

Not just visually. Its needs to have more damage, my empowering sweeps hits for 8k -_- im sitting at 35k magica and 3k spell damage. Like get out of here with that.... And that stagger would be completely unique to the class

Animus-ESO

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

The fact you said Bat Swarm makes me twitch. I'll be honest with you my Templar is a Vampire as well but the whole concept makes me want to vomit. A crusading holy knight... vampire. WTF? I'm sure there are a few Templar Vampires out there who want to play the fallen priest/holy soldier. I reckon the rest of us do it because Templar is *** when it comes to recovery (stamina or magicka). I've talked about this before but thematically the whole notion makes me ill. I'm fine with a player wanting to play this way but the fact that the design flaw of the class makes Vampire so damn attractive is infuriating.

On the matter of Templar ultimates I'll just say its more than the Ultimates that sucked out the salt and savor of the Templar class. Templar was my first character, it was my favorite character, and from a thematic perspective it still is. It is however a clunky, annoying, dull class to play. It has been so dumbed down and altered I find it unrecognizable. I find Templar loathesome in its fallen state. It has no cc. It has no recovery. Its either a magplar healbot or a stamplar burst machine. Its boring. Its uninteresting, and I hate it. I absolutely hate this class, and a subtle change to some Ults won't change that fact.

I feel you with the clunkiness with the class. I still love it. I always played a mid damage brawler in MMO's and mageplar fits that build pretty well. I do hate the fact that they have dumbed down all the classes. Not just templar. Alll stam classes almost feel identical now. Sorcs were the most recent casualty of the dumbing down phase.

Rickter

Drop a nova and have someone synergize gravity crush and youre guaranteed 2-3 insta kills.

It is situational. But when the conditions are right, which is more common than you think, damn does it work.

In any case, id prefer a templar run remembrance over nova.

I like the malacath ability fx as a whole and id love to see templars get an ultimate like that.

generalmyrick

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

I have been playing Templar for about 2 years. Names "Dude-Where's-my-guar" on PC NA. Over this time I realize templar is in a decent spot right now but I feel like the class is lacking something very specific. Templar lacks any decent ultimate. I mainly PVP and it seems like every duel I get into end up with salty tells about using soul assault. If I had a class ult that actually worked well Id used it. But for templar my only options are soul assault, meteor, or bat swarm.
I sit there and drool watching mDK using leap, or mNB using soul harvest.I wish I had an iconic ult that really puts a staple on my class. So I am proposing a rework on the spear ult on templar.

-Empowering Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] Magic Damage to target and additional [y] Magic Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 10 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit.)
empowering Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

Crescent Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] physical Damage to target and additional [y] physical Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Initial target takes 15% more initial damage.)
Crescent Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

As for the animation. There is a specific group of NPC's in Wrothgar who basicly teleport into the sky, then land right infront of you dealing damage, I feel like this would be an amazing animation they could give templars. It looks very similar to spear shards, but instead of throwing the spear, we hold onto it. I've modeled this ult from dragon leap in a sense. I feel like that is a very balanced class ult, But instead of the stereo typical knock down, I went for a different style of CC that has yet to be used on player skills, Staggering. Alot of NPC's can stagger you, this is when they hit you with some special attack and your character takes a few steps back not being able to perform any skills. It doesn't last as long as a knock down and it isn't a stun. I picked this because I think it could give templars a unique flavor of CC.
What are your thoughts?

i disagree...the templar ults are for people who think outside of the meta.

Drummerx04

I think this is a cool idea. Give templars dragon leap, er... Falling Spear thing.

_Salty_

I would like to use a class ult rather then dawn breaker on my Stam Sorc but it's all we have.

Overload is great utility but it's garbage besides being a 3rd skill bar.

Animus-ESO

_Salty_ wrote: »

I would like to use a class ult rather then dawn breaker on my Stam Sorc but it's all we have.

Overload is great utility but it's garbage besides being a 3rd skill bar.

I think there should be a stam version of atronach. Like air atronach. It should be a melee version of the electric one that follows the initial target

WuffyCerulei

I really do think Cresent Sweep and morphs need some love, a buff even. Not sure how, but it's needed.

Narvuntien

Well part of the problem of the ultimates for a templar tank or healer is that warhorn is better. They all give great defensive power but everyone who knows what they are doing has enough defenses its giving allies offensive power is what they want.

All the more ultility skills need is a reason for anyone to ever use them over Warhorn.... warhorn op?

Personally I'd love to see Nova create an arena that stuns the target if they leave the zone. What do Templars do... they force you to fight them on thier zone. Then you can use spear to smack them into the wall to stun them, they can't escape they have to fight you.

dodgehopper_ESO

I'd love to see a Stamina Morph of the Aedric Charge.

dodgehopper_ESO

Cinbri wrote: »

That what OP talking about

This would be good. Folks have been asking for this since Orsinium came out. I definitely agree with the interest in this. At the time I think I was pushing for this instead of Toppling/Focused Charge as I found this skill glitched out 9/10.

Edit: (I figured I'd post something a little more positive for the OP here.)

Cinbri

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

That what OP talking about

This would be good. Folks have been asking for this since Orsinium came out. I definitely agree with the interest in this. At the time I think I was pushing for this instead of Toppling/Focused Charge as I found this skill glitched out 9/10.

Edit: (I figured I'd post something a little more positive for the OP here.)

It was back from my old idea to overhaul Templar Charge into unique gap-closer - escape ability: Instead of charging on enemy you needed to target area where to teleport and it teleport it to this area dealing 5m aoe damage/stun; in situations where you need to escape you could target free terrain to porting away from enemy, so ability as offensive was a gap-closer and as defensive it would be escape that deal no damage and drain resource same as Streak if didn't dealt damage. This Solar Attack of trinimac warriors was looking perfect for it.
Because even dk has speedbuff ability and not every Templar wana be vampire in attempts to survive.

Goshua

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Animus-ESO

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

That what OP talking about

This would be good. Folks have been asking for this since Orsinium came out. I definitely agree with the interest in this. At the time I think I was pushing for this instead of Toppling/Focused Charge as I found this skill glitched out 9/10.

Edit: (I figured I'd post something a little more positive for the OP here.)

Thanks. Everyone in these forms are so combative to any sort of change it's crazy

Goshua

- Either misread your statement or you've since edited it.

Animus-ESO

Goshua wrote: »

- Either misread your statement or you've since edited it.

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