Lets Talk Templar ults.

LordSlif

About nova

what is a supernova?: "supernova occurs at the end of a single star’s lifetime. As the star runs out of nuclear fuel, some of its mass flows into its core. Eventually, the core is so heavy that it cannot withstand its own gravitational force. The core collapses, which results in the giant explosion of a supernova. The sun is a single star, but it does not have enough mass to become a supernova."

After a Supernova...

Dark hole: "Stellar-mass black holes are born with a bang. They form when a very massive star (at least 25 times heavier than our Sun) runs out of nuclear fuel. The star then explodes as a supernova."

So make the templar the center of the explosion pulling every enemies to him and... bang templars tank back

technohic

LordSlif wrote: »

About nova

what is a supernova?: "supernova occurs at the end of a single star’s lifetime. As the star runs out of nuclear fuel, some of its mass flows into its core. Eventually, the core is so heavy that it cannot withstand its own gravitational force. The core collapses, which results in the giant explosion of a supernova. The sun is a single star, but it does not have enough mass to become a supernova."

After a Supernova...

Dark hole: "Stellar-mass black holes are born with a bang. They form when a very massive star (at least 25 times heavier than our Sun) runs out of nuclear fuel. The star then explodes as a supernova."

So make the templar the center of the explosion pulling every enemies to him and... bang templars tank back

That would be cool. Could make one morph be ground AOE but also pull targets in and explode at the end to do damage. CC breakable of course

akredon_ESO

I love using Cresent sweep and its morphs but... if the damn thing would actually Reliably hit the freakin target id probably use it a lot more. Also i think the Cost of nova needs to come down a bit AND make it mobile would be pretty cool, Would also add some counter play to Destro ult spam. I see a lot of people using the Healing ult So not really worried about it

Baconlad

Realistically, they changed crescent to stamina because the other classes got stam morphs for their ults.

But it's too similar to DBOS and and much less efficient damage wise. Most stamplars would rather use DBOS. They should give stamplars empowering sweeps since A) most PVE tanks that are templar would be stamina based, gaining more benefit to empowering, and magplar do not have a good burst out.

The argument can be made for meteor, but the cost and delay make it unappealing, leaving so, so many magplar in PVP to use DBOS even though it's stamina based...soul assault us great, but not a burst ultimate and anyone worth their salt can counter it incredibly easy, only thing it DOES to is force defense on enemy and give us two regen tics. With some stamina drain added in for good measure.

Now crescent sweep? I'd take that every time, even with it's weak ass dot they gave it three years ago...

WTB launch crescent back for magplar...With increased range

Minno

Baconlad wrote: »

Realistically, they changed crescent to stamina because the other classes got stam morphs for their ults.

But it's too similar to DBOS and and much less efficient damage wise. Most stamplars would rather use DBOS. They should give stamplars empowering sweeps since A) most PVE tanks that are templar would be stamina based, gaining more benefit to empowering, and magplar do not have a good burst out.

The argument can be made for meteor, but the cost and delay make it unappealing, leaving so, so many magplar in PVP to use DBOS even though it's stamina based...soul assault us great, but not a burst ultimate and anyone worth their salt can counter it incredibly easy, only thing it DOES to is force defense on enemy and give us two regen tics. With some stamina drain added in for good measure.

Now crescent sweep? I'd take that every time, even with it's weak ass dot they gave it three years ago...

WTB launch crescent back for magplar...With increased range

Old Empowering sweeps used to give armor back.
Cresant used to deal 33% extra DMG in front of you.

That entire skill line was dedicted to dealing DMG. Either AOE or single target. Jabs forced you to select extra crit chance on lowest health enemy or the AOE cone but both had a knockback cc. Blazing shield actually did 30% health shield but locked your Magicka Regen while it was active because it proced burning light on the DMG.

Dawn's wraith was the tanking /ranged DPS tree; spells that used to cause players to miss, players effected by a Dawn's wraith spell would deal less DMG, and old eclipse actually reflected everything. Vamps bane was the snare that made up for no major expedition buff/getting into jabs range.

Even the healing had tradeoffs; you needed to be in the circle to get the healing boost, you only increased your critical chance on the heals for low health allies, your restoring aura boosted your Regen by x amount on top of potions, etc.

Templars at launch looked entirely different than today. Hopefully we can get some of these back.

LordSlif

About mag i have no

technohic wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

About nova

what is a supernova?: "supernova occurs at the end of a single star’s lifetime. As the star runs out of nuclear fuel, some of its mass flows into its core. Eventually, the core is so heavy that it cannot withstand its own gravitational force. The core collapses, which results in the giant explosion of a supernova. The sun is a single star, but it does not have enough mass to become a supernova."

After a Supernova...

Dark hole: "Stellar-mass black holes are born with a bang. They form when a very massive star (at least 25 times heavier than our Sun) runs out of nuclear fuel. The star then explodes as a supernova."

So make the templar the center of the explosion pulling every enemies to him and... bang templars tank back

That would be cool. Could make one morph be ground AOE but also pull targets in and explode at the end to do damage. CC breakable of course

yeah, thats the idea

LordSlif

empowering is useless, magplars need dmg ult

LordSlif

Baconlad wrote: »

Realistically, they changed crescent to stamina because the other classes got stam morphs for their ults.

But it's too similar to DBOS and and much less efficient damage wise. Most stamplars would rather use DBOS. They should give stamplars empowering sweeps since A) most PVE tanks that are templar would be stamina based, gaining more benefit to empowering, and magplar do not have a good burst out.

The argument can be made for meteor, but the cost and delay make it unappealing, leaving so, so many magplar in PVP to use DBOS even though it's stamina based...soul assault us great, but not a burst ultimate and anyone worth their salt can counter it incredibly easy, only thing it DOES to is force defense on enemy and give us two regen tics. With some stamina drain added in for good measure.

Now crescent sweep? I'd take that every time, even with it's weak ass dot they gave it three years ago...

WTB launch crescent back for magplar...With increased range

I agree. Stamplars have DB and CS... they are the same thing but DB is better.
Maybe a super javelin lol

Swen_von_Walhallion

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

I have been playing Templar for about 2 years. Names "Dude-Where's-my-guar" on PC NA. Over this time I realize templar is in a decent spot right now but I feel like the class is lacking something very specific. Templar lacks any decent ultimate. I mainly PVP and it seems like every duel I get into end up with salty tells about using soul assault. If I had a class ult that actually worked well Id used it. But for templar my only options are soul assault, meteor, or bat swarm.
I sit there and drool watching mDK using leap, or mNB using soul harvest.I wish I had an iconic ult that really puts a staple on my class. So I am proposing a rework on the spear ult on templar.

-Empowering Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] Magic Damage to target and additional [y] Magic Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 10 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit.)
empowering Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

Crescent Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] physical Damage to target and additional [y] physical Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Initial target takes 15% more initial damage.)
Crescent Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

As for the animation. There is a specific group of NPC's in Wrothgar who basicly teleport into the sky, then land right infront of you dealing damage, I feel like this would be an amazing animation they could give templars. It looks very similar to spear shards, but instead of throwing the spear, we hold onto it. I've modeled this ult from dragon leap in a sense. I feel like that is a very balanced class ult, But instead of the stereo typical knock down, I went for a different style of CC that has yet to be used on player skills, Staggering. Alot of NPC's can stagger you, this is when they hit you with some special attack and your character takes a few steps back not being able to perform any skills. It doesn't last as long as a knock down and it isn't a stun. I picked this because I think it could give templars a unique flavor of CC.
What are your thoughts?

dont touch my spear ults pls Empovering sweep is wonderfull tanky thing especialy paried with Inventor's Guard set, and Crescent sweep is best staplar ult ever, it give you dps rly close to balista and alov you get major slayer buff around 45-50% uptime for you and your teamamtes.

adding port on it will be proly have big negative impact on dps of my party, and if you remeber how often was gap closer broken proly make this ulti garbage. On other side i will love have some similkar ulti as DK leap on my lovely templars ( i just lvlig my 4th templar ) and ofc best templar ultimate for pvp is WW :P

Joy_Division

Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

I have been playing Templar for about 2 years. Names "Dude-Where's-my-guar" on PC NA. Over this time I realize templar is in a decent spot right now but I feel like the class is lacking something very specific. Templar lacks any decent ultimate. I mainly PVP and it seems like every duel I get into end up with salty tells about using soul assault. If I had a class ult that actually worked well Id used it. But for templar my only options are soul assault, meteor, or bat swarm.
I sit there and drool watching mDK using leap, or mNB using soul harvest.I wish I had an iconic ult that really puts a staple on my class. So I am proposing a rework on the spear ult on templar.

-Empowering Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] Magic Damage to target and additional [y] Magic Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 10 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit.)
empowering Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

Crescent Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] physical Damage to target and additional [y] physical Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Initial target takes 15% more initial damage.)
Crescent Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

As for the animation. There is a specific group of NPC's in Wrothgar who basicly teleport into the sky, then land right infront of you dealing damage, I feel like this would be an amazing animation they could give templars. It looks very similar to spear shards, but instead of throwing the spear, we hold onto it. I've modeled this ult from dragon leap in a sense. I feel like that is a very balanced class ult, But instead of the stereo typical knock down, I went for a different style of CC that has yet to be used on player skills, Staggering. Alot of NPC's can stagger you, this is when they hit you with some special attack and your character takes a few steps back not being able to perform any skills. It doesn't last as long as a knock down and it isn't a stun. I picked this because I think it could give templars a unique flavor of CC.
What are your thoughts?

dont touch my spear ults pls Empovering sweep is wonderfull tanky thing especialy paried with Inventor's Guard set, and Crescent sweep is best staplar ult ever, it give you dps rly close to balista and alov you get major slayer buff around 45-50% uptime for you and your teamamtes.

I don't know if I have the heart to tell this person about diminishing returns.

Minno

Joy_Division wrote: »

Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

I have been playing Templar for about 2 years. Names "Dude-Where's-my-guar" on PC NA. Over this time I realize templar is in a decent spot right now but I feel like the class is lacking something very specific. Templar lacks any decent ultimate. I mainly PVP and it seems like every duel I get into end up with salty tells about using soul assault. If I had a class ult that actually worked well Id used it. But for templar my only options are soul assault, meteor, or bat swarm.
I sit there and drool watching mDK using leap, or mNB using soul harvest.I wish I had an iconic ult that really puts a staple on my class. So I am proposing a rework on the spear ult on templar.

-Empowering Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] Magic Damage to target and additional [y] Magic Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 10 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit.)
empowering Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

Crescent Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] physical Damage to target and additional [y] physical Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Initial target takes 15% more initial damage.)
Crescent Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

As for the animation. There is a specific group of NPC's in Wrothgar who basicly teleport into the sky, then land right infront of you dealing damage, I feel like this would be an amazing animation they could give templars. It looks very similar to spear shards, but instead of throwing the spear, we hold onto it. I've modeled this ult from dragon leap in a sense. I feel like that is a very balanced class ult, But instead of the stereo typical knock down, I went for a different style of CC that has yet to be used on player skills, Staggering. Alot of NPC's can stagger you, this is when they hit you with some special attack and your character takes a few steps back not being able to perform any skills. It doesn't last as long as a knock down and it isn't a stun. I picked this because I think it could give templars a unique flavor of CC.
What are your thoughts?

dont touch my spear ults pls Empovering sweep is wonderfull tanky thing especialy paried with Inventor's Guard set, and Crescent sweep is best staplar ult ever, it give you dps rly close to balista and alov you get major slayer buff around 45-50% uptime for you and your teamamtes.

I don't know if I have the heart to tell this person about diminishing returns.

That would depend if he pvps; battlespirit ruins everyone's day lol

LordSlif

Nova already reduces the dmg in area. empowering sweep should be offensive not defensive

DHale

Wait.... do you mean shooting star and dawn breaker of smiting? They are great ultimates for my magic and stamina templars.

LordSlif

Meteor is not good in pvp, DBS is great for Stemplar and nova is awful. Just this.

Gan Xing

Lets just wait for ZOS to include spell crafting. They have all these abilities that NPCs have and we can't use them. Watch that Hammersmash+lightning aoe become available with spell crafting. Hopefully this ability will too.

Animus-ESO

Gan Xing wrote: »

Lets just wait for ZOS to include spell crafting. They have all these abilities that NPCs have and we can't use them. Watch that Hammersmash+lightning aoe become available with spell crafting. Hopefully this ability will too.

maybe we should hold our breath?

Animus-ESO

DHale wrote: »

Wait.... do you mean shooting star and dawn breaker of smiting? They are great ultimates for my magic and stamina templars.

Yeah DBoS is great if you enjoy having a sub par ult. Stop supporting band aid fixes for problems and saying "Good enough". Dawn breaker is a physical ult. It doesn't scale with magic damage at all. So while every other class gets an ult that rips people in half, we are fumbling around with ults that wern't ment for us, or using soul assault because it's all we have.

Goshua

SugaComa wrote: »

Ults on Templar are fine and this is coming from someone running two templars as my mains

Truth while not as iconic or impressive visually as others utility wise they're the most supportive to a team dynamic , but where templars excel is in class abilities ... Yes we still have some issues with them not being as powerful as they could be by having them scale incorrectly ... But we don't have a bad class skill

Unlike many others ... In fact I wish we had some that were a bit *** ... It would be easier to pick n choose which to use

we're very versatile which is why I love the class

LordSlif

Goshua wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Ults on Templar are fine and this is coming from someone running two templars as my mains

Truth while not as iconic or impressive visually as others utility wise they're the most supportive to a team dynamic , but where templars excel is in class abilities ... Yes we still have some issues with them not being as powerful as they could be by having them scale incorrectly ... But we don't have a bad class skill

Unlike many others ... In fact I wish we had some that were a bit *** ... It would be easier to pick n choose which to use

we're very versatile which is why I love the class

Vertlsatile✔
Ults❌

Baconlad

Thinking about it...Templars are extremely versatile. There are so many different ways to play templar...That awesome. But our ults are trash...been seriously considering running the heavy stamplars meta. Get me a DBOS that is actually fearsome

LordSlif

Nova:
Call down a fragment of the sun to the target area, dealing [x] Magic Damage each second to enemies. Applies Major Main to affected foes, reducing their damage done by 30%.

Empowering sweep
Swing your Aedric spear around with holy vengeance, dealing [x] Magic Damage to all nearby enemies and an additional [y] Magic Damage every 2 seconds for 6 seconds.
Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 8 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit
Why two defensive ults in the same class?
If we count Remembrance then we have 3 defensive ults that reduce dmg

Animus-ESO

LordSlif wrote: »

Nova:
Call down a fragment of the sun to the target area, dealing [x] Magic Damage each second to enemies. Applies Major Main to affected foes, reducing their damage done by 30%.

Empowering sweep
Swing your Aedric spear around with holy vengeance, dealing [x] Magic Damage to all nearby enemies and an additional [y] Magic Damage every 2 seconds for 6 seconds.
Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 8 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit
Why two defensive ults in the same class?
If we count Remembrance then we have 3 defensive ults that reduce dmg

Thank you! This is what im saying.

paulsimonps

LordSlif wrote: »

Nova:
Call down a fragment of the sun to the target area, dealing [x] Magic Damage each second to enemies. Applies Major Main to affected foes, reducing their damage done by 30%.

Empowering sweep
Swing your Aedric spear around with holy vengeance, dealing [x] Magic Damage to all nearby enemies and an additional [y] Magic Damage every 2 seconds for 6 seconds.
Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 8 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit
Why two defensive ults in the same class?
If we count Remembrance then we have 3 defensive ults that reduce dmg

Flip that to DKs, if you count morph effect then one of the Dragon leaps is a defensive ultimate, and Standard of Might has a damage taken reduction effect and then we got magma armor. So would you say DKs have to many defensive ultimate's as well?

Xvorg

Cinbri wrote: »

That what OP talking about

But then you will be a Dragon Knight



I like the jumping concept on a spearmam... a lot

LordSlif

Nova:
Call down a fragment of the sun to the target area, dealing [x] Magic Damage each second to enemies. Applies Major Main to affected foes, reducing their damage done by 30%.

Empowering sweep
Swing your Aedric spear around with holy vengeance, dealing [x] Magic Damage to all nearby enemies and an additional [y] Magic Damage every 2 seconds for 6 seconds.
Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 8 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit
Why two defensive ultimates in the same class?
If we count Remembrance so we have 3 defensive ults that reduce dmg

paulsimonps wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

Nova:
Call down a fragment of the sun to the target area, dealing [x] Magic Damage each second to enemies. Applies Major Main to affected foes, reducing their damage done by 30%.

Empowering sweep
Swing your Aedric spear around with holy vengeance, dealing [x] Magic Damage to all nearby enemies and an additional [y] Magic Damage every 2 seconds for 6 seconds.
Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 8 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit
Why two defensive ults in the same class?
If we count Remembrance then we have 3 defensive ults that reduce dmg

Flip that to DKs, if you count morph effect then one of the Dragon leaps is a defensive ultimate, and Standard of Might has a damage taken reduction effect and then we got magma armor. So would you say DKs have to many defensive ultimate's as well?

do not try to compare dk ults and templars ults

LordSlif

All classes have AoE defensive ults, but they have offensives ults too, imo empowering is useless for magplars

Animus-ESO

Xvorg wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

That what OP talking about

But then you will be a Dragon Knight



I like the jumping concept on a spearmam... a lot

DK is a solid class man, We could learn a thing or two from them.

TheDoomsdayMonster

The state of Templar offensive Ults is one of the biggest reasons why I decided to go all in on Vampirism (with a particular emphasis on Devouring Swarm)...

I agree 100% with @jasonthorpeb14_ESO as pertains this...as pertains to PvP...your only real options for a good offensive Ult are Meteor, Soul Assault, and Devouring Swarm.

Those 3 Ults out perform the Templar Ults by a wide margin and it's not even close...

Baconlad

Ive tried devouring swarm...once for a day or two. Id rather have the heal. The teleport aspect is cool and all...but when it puts me behind my target and i have to spin around to hit him again? No thanks...

TheDoomsdayMonster

Baconlad wrote: »

Ive tried devouring swarm...once for a day or two. Id rather have the heal. The teleport aspect is cool and all...but when it puts me behind my target and i have to spin around to hit him again? No thanks...

??

Devouring Swarm is the one that heals...

Clouding Swarm (the flawed morph that performs as you indicated) is the version that teleports...