Lets Talk Templar ults.

UppGRAYxDD

How about a double jbeam ultimate that is uniterupptable

Forsakiin

You have to understand that Sweep is being heavily used in PvE right now to procc the War Machine set. Healers are also using it in certain content to procc Inventors Guard or Master Architect. Increasing its cost and animation time to make it weaker in PvE, but stronger in PvP would not be a good balance idea.

swirve

I dont use templar ults... meteor is just so much better for a DD in most situations...

A double Jesus Beam would be amazing, though cant ever see it happening if they cant even fix the damage they did to Templar as a DD...

Hibiki54

What they need to do is fix the multiplier for Puncturing Sweeps and Jesus beam to be correctly applied.

SugaComa

Ults on Templar are fine and this is coming from someone running two templars as my mains

Truth while not as iconic or impressive visually as others utility wise they're the most supportive to a team dynamic , but where templars excel is in class abilities ... Yes we still have some issues with them not being as powerful as they could be by having them scale incorrectly ... But we don't have a bad class skill

Unlike many others ... In fact I wish we had some that were a bit *** ... It would be easier to pick n choose which to use

DeadlyRecluse

<also a templar main.

I like our ults, I dislike how destro ult just overshadows Nova in PvP in every way. Nova used to be an awesome ult to time the synergy of and was a big part of small group push-pull strats (pull into choke, drop groundbased ults, synergize them, profit).

Now there's just very little point when the margin for error on destro ult is so much wider.

Baconlad

I have a solution to spear ult...
Leave both as they are for stamina and magic.
Increase the range by 2-4 meters and remove the dot. Give all damage upfront, give it a slight buff to damage.

Basically remove the "buffs" from two years ago, and do wgat they should have done in the first place, just increase the friggin range. There now magplar has a burst ultimate thats cheap as dirt. Non of this DoT crap they gave to it...

The ultimate went unused for so long. The reason no one used it was the range, you would toppling charge somone, stun them and still miss...so what does ZoS do? They give it 1 meter range buff(???!!!???!!!). And reduce the upfront damage by over 25% (i believe it was) just to give it a dot. So when you DO miss this ult...atleast youll get a 2k crit for the weak ass dot...all they had to do was increase range to a meaningful level...but no...

#ZOSlogic

Inarre

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

All 3 Templar Ultimates are used in different parts of the game. Stamplars use Cresent sweep in PvE with Warmachine to give Major Slayer. Nova is used by healers in both PvE and PvP. And Remembrance is used in PvP A LOT by Templars. So that is 2 PvP ultimates and 2 PvE ultimates, all 3 are included. I think Templars are in a good spot Ultimate wise.

Cresent Sweep fits really well into rotations of Stamplars and don't really feel it to be changed, adding a teleport to it would probably slow down the rotation. As well Templars already have a gap closer so no need to make it a gap closing ultimate. However, for magplars changing the Empowering could be something that could be looked at. I don't like OPs suggestion for Teleport Ultimate but something else to look at might be in order.

Why in the world would a templar use nova over meteor or EoTS in pvp? Its 100 ult more, you can't use it when your alone, its stationary, and theres a chance that the synergy will bug and no allys can activate it. If this would be even remotely a viable pvp ult i think we would see it in vids. Remembrance is completely out classed by the restro staff ult. Im simply asking for a damn cheap, solid damage ult for a templar. The only reason any stamplar uses crescent is because its cheap. Its a *** poor ult, everyone uses dawn breaker of smiting over it 99% of the time.

I think a lot depends on the size of the group you are running in. Most templars who run support don't make videos because people think healers are brainless or useless or whatever, and hey, what fun is it watching someone cast buffs when you can watch one dude kill 12 people solo? I have a video where I run in a raid and use rememberance in tandem with another healer and through those ults we were able to keep our raid alive against nearly double our numbers.

A templar would run nova over meteor to: recieve damage mitigation AND do damage to more than 1-2 people (the radius of meteor is 5 meters, radius of Nova is larger i think maybe 8 but need someone to confirm that) gravity crush was what made Nova so loved back in the day, but with synergies being borked for over a year now, I think simply fixing that would make the ult used way more.

A templar would run rememberance over resto staff ult when they want to provide mitigation and healing to more than 1 person.

You seem to be a 1v1 small man focused on burst which is great, it's just there are other uses for those skills that work in other builds and play styles, especially if synergies were fixed.

I think your idea of a rework for the spear ult is great though for one morph. That ult is meant to be one on one worthy and it isn't really.

anadandy

Inarre wrote: »

A templar would run rememberance over resto staff ult when they want to provide mitigation and healing to more than 1 person.

Your whole reply was great - but this in particular. Running Skyreach with a medium sized group - remembrance was definitely the Ulti pick for my Templar healer.

Animus-ESO

anadandy wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

A templar would run rememberance over resto staff ult when they want to provide mitigation and healing to more than 1 person.

Your whole reply was great - but this in particular. Running Skyreach with a medium sized group - remembrance was definitely the Ulti pick for my Templar healer.

Were getting off topic, Im talking templar damage ults. Specifically for SOLO templars. Meaning we have no group to support. Malestrom arena, pvp, no everyone likes to zerg. Im a small man pvper and dueler.

Epona222

I'd love a better class ult tbh (for dps builds) - I mean crescent sweep is cheap so I keep it slotted on one bar as that is quite good for dealing with adds or if you're pulling a lot of mobs - but my main goto ults are Meteor for magplar and Dawnbreaker for stamplar - most other builds can make good use of the class ults they have available but Templar ones do feel a bit lacklustre

LordSlif

"templar's ultimates" it is a important point in this game. everyone knows templar's ultimates are not good, they can be better
im still trying to understand why ZoS changed crescent sweep to physical damage if dawnbraker is so much better. Last update they changed solar barrage because it was very similar to impulse, but they have done the opposit in the past and the change on sweep was a big hit on magplar... empowering still bad, really really bad, you can see it in the game... you dont see anyone using it.
About nova... terrible, high cost, you cant walk with it or replace it, people can leave the area easily, why would anyone in good conscience use it? and ill not talk about that synergy...
i wanna remember some things here, templar is a DoT class, sweeps has 1.1sec of channeling, its not a burst class, dnt have much damge and the ults are unplayable for mgdmg.
and about that "buff " on nova .. i know u can make better

LordSlif

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

I have been playing Templar for about 2 years. Names "Dude-Where's-my-guar" on PC NA. Over this time I realize templar is in a decent spot right now but I feel like the class is lacking something very specific. Templar lacks any decent ultimate. I mainly PVP and it seems like every duel I get into end up with salty tells about using soul assault. If I had a class ult that actually worked well Id used it. But for templar my only options are soul assault, meteor, or bat swarm.
I sit there and drool watching mDK using leap, or mNB using soul harvest.I wish I had an iconic ult that really puts a staple on my class. So I am proposing a rework on the spear ult on templar.

-Empowering Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] Magic Damage to target and additional [y] Magic Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Also reduces damage dealt to you by 15% for 10 seconds, plus an additional 4% for each enemy hit.)
empowering Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

Crescent Spear

(Morph)
Ride your Aedric spear with holy vengeance, Teleports you to target dealing [x] physical Damage to target and additional [y] physical Damage every enemy with in 6.5 meters staggering all enemys hit. (Initial target takes 15% more initial damage.)
Crescent Spear Rank IV 125 Ultimate Instant 20m range/6.5m radius

As for the animation. There is a specific group of NPC's in Wrothgar who basicly teleport into the sky, then land right infront of you dealing damage, I feel like this would be an amazing animation they could give templars. It looks very similar to spear shards, but instead of throwing the spear, we hold onto it. I've modeled this ult from dragon leap in a sense. I feel like that is a very balanced class ult, But instead of the stereo typical knock down, I went for a different style of CC that has yet to be used on player skills, Staggering. Alot of NPC's can stagger you, this is when they hit you with some special attack and your character takes a few steps back not being able to perform any skills. It doesn't last as long as a knock down and it isn't a stun. I picked this because I think it could give templars a unique flavor of CC.
What are your thoughts?

in my opinion, sweep and nova are unplayable, if you compare the efficiency of the ultimates of the other classes with those of the Templar you will see that those of the Templar are below average

LordSlif

Epona222 wrote: »

I'd love a better class ult tbh (for dps builds) - I mean crescent sweep is cheap so I keep it slotted on one bar as that is quite good for dealing with adds or if you're pulling a lot of mobs - but my main goto ults are Meteor for magplar and Dawnbreaker for stamplar - most other builds can make good use of the class ults they have available but Templar ones do feel a bit lacklustre

the change on crescent was a big mistake, it was really really good

Juhasow

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

I wish I had an iconic ult that really puts a staple on my class. So I am proposing a rework on the spear ult on templar.

Copying dk wing just with changed animation doesnt sound very iconic. Also current Crescent sweep is really good for stamplars in both PvE and PvP and Expowering Sweep maybe isnt top dmg ulti but it's really nice defensive ultimate used by tanky templar setups.

Doctordarkspawn

I wouldn't say no.

LordSlif

Juhasow wrote: »

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

I wish I had an iconic ult that really puts a staple on my class. So I am proposing a rework on the spear ult on templar.

Copying dk wing just with changed animation doesnt sound very iconic. Also current Crescent sweep is really good for stamplars in both PvE and PvP and Expowering Sweep maybe isnt top dmg ulti but it's really nice defensive ultimate used by tanky templar setups.

Dawnbreaker is better than crescent for PvP, imo empowering is not a good ult.
The big problem is nova, look to this game now.. standard, destro ult, permafrost.. nova is a shame, 240ult for that omg.

Animus-ESO

Juhasow wrote: »

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

I wish I had an iconic ult that really puts a staple on my class. So I am proposing a rework on the spear ult on templar.

Copying dk wing just with changed animation doesnt sound very iconic. Also current Crescent sweep is really good for stamplars in both PvE and PvP and Expowering Sweep maybe isnt top dmg ulti but it's really nice defensive ultimate used by tanky templar setups.

I did take the damage #'s and cost from DK's leap, Only because IMO it's the most balanced Magica burst ult in the game. As far as animation goes, completely unique. Utility? The only one of its kind. No other skills make use of the Stagger affect. Which is a shame because it would add real variety to the game.

Vapirko

Cinbri wrote: »

That what OP talking about

Yes, yes, yes a thousand times yes. However! This would have to be done carefully, because a powerful new Templar ult could easily make this the next OP class which would then lead to a bunch of unwanted nerfs, which templar definitely doesnt need.

Animus-ESO

Vapirko wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

That what OP talking about

Yes, yes, yes a thousand times yes. However! This would have to be done carefully, because a powerful new Templar ult could easily make this the next OP class which would then lead to a bunch of unwanted nerfs, which templar definitely doesnt need.

Which is exactly why I based the ult's damage and stats off of dragon leap. No one complains dk leap is OP. Its perfectly balanced

Vapirko

Would almost finally make the innate axiom set awesome for Templars.

Mayrael

I agree with op, magplar has no effeicient ult to deal damage, dawnbreaker is not a solution, its like stam toon using meteor, can work in some situations but will never be as efficient as on magicka toon.

Someone said resto ult is better than remembrance... Maybe when 1v1, but when in groups remembrance outshines every other healing ult.

Joy_Division

I cannot agree that the state of templar ultimates is fine or acceptable.

We aren't going to do anything about crappy Empowering Sweep that tries to tank and DPS -and does neither -because the other morph is appealing due to a single armor set piece bonus? Note: even if you did hit 6 targets, your bonus is going to be less than that tooltip because of diminishing returns.

Nova over Warhorn in PvE? The same Warhorn that amps DPS to such an extent the bad guys are burned down so fast that damage reduction isn't necessary?

Nova in PvP? That 250 cost ultimate that people can walk out of and Earth-Gore extinguishes?

All of their utliamtes were designed way way way back at Launch when templars pretty much could do nothing but be supporty heal bots. None of them have changed, except the only halfway decent non supporty-healy one, Crescent Sweeps, was morphed into a stamina version even though Dawnbreaker also became a Stamina morph, which made for super redundancy.

How is it fine that a magicka templar who has no interest in being a support-heal character has to go outside their class to find a halfway decent ultimate (and that usually is Dawnbreaker, which scales off the wrong stats)

swirve

I wouldnt get any hope on this...

DarkAedin

Blinding flashes

technohic

LordSlif wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I'd love a better class ult tbh (for dps builds) - I mean crescent sweep is cheap so I keep it slotted on one bar as that is quite good for dealing with adds or if you're pulling a lot of mobs - but my main goto ults are Meteor for magplar and Dawnbreaker for stamplar - most other builds can make good use of the class ults they have available but Templar ones do feel a bit lacklustre

the change on crescent was a big mistake, it was really really good

Yeah; this was horrible. I could possibly make use of crescent if it were magicka based right now. When I run stamplar; DBOS is still way better.

idk

It seems more that OP may want to play a DK since it seems more like he is wanting one of the Templar ults to act more like one of the DK ults. The Templar ultimates each have their place with their current design.

Minno

Cinbri wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

That what OP talking about

This would be good. Folks have been asking for this since Orsinium came out. I definitely agree with the interest in this. At the time I think I was pushing for this instead of Toppling/Focused Charge as I found this skill glitched out 9/10.

Edit: (I figured I'd post something a little more positive for the OP here.)

It was back from my old idea to overhaul Templar Charge into unique gap-closer - escape ability: Instead of charging on enemy you needed to target area where to teleport and it teleport it to this area dealing 5m aoe damage/stun; in situations where you need to escape you could target free terrain to porting away from enemy, so ability as offensive was a gap-closer and as defensive it would be escape that deal no damage and drain resource same as Streak if didn't dealt damage. This Solar Attack of trinimac warriors was looking perfect for it.
Because even dk has speedbuff ability and not every Templar wana be vampire in attempts to survive.

Id give up anything for this mobilty. They can swap explosive charge for this ground based teleport. And would offset the fact templars have no reliable major expedition buff.

Only thing left is an AOE defense mechanic to replace restoration snares and Templars will be in a nice functional place

Neoauspex

I want an ultimate that reflects Eye of the Storm damage

Goshua

Can only speak for myself from a magplar pov

Our dps ults need a looking at, they are easy to avoid/mitigate.
You may get lucky with a Nova which can do some damage IF if someone hits x
Crescent is cheap and three quarter decent imo, but it's meezely cone aoe is what kills it, and if you're a magplar you only have the more defensive morph.

If you fail to hit a cc'd opponent meteor is a joke,

If you want kills you use soul assault solo with radiant and you're now a cheeseplar

or you hitch onto the destro train or lolheal or issue a duel invitation with a slap about the face with a crescent sweep and a stab in the *** with a puncturing strike