Stamplar VS StamDK: who is the better tank?

Chronicburn

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Opinions please. Thanks

Strider__Roshin

StamDK

The consensus will always be stamDK.

Taylor_MB

StamDK

Chains or bust.

Tanking can be really really fun on all classes, but chains just keep DK leagues ahead of any other class.

ArterionAU

StamDK

As Taylor said DK's have chains which is a huge bonus, I've seen some great Stamplar Tanks in Trials but they just lack the group support that DK Tanks have, I think it's easier to learn/tank on a DK tank so I have a lot of respect when I see a Great Tank on another class.

Riddari

StamDK

I have a Templar tank as my main so I know because everyone constantly tells me.

DK tank better.

Chronicburn

ArterionAU wrote: »

As Taylor said DK's have chains which is a huge bonus, I've seen some great Stamplar Tanks in Trials but they just lack the group support that DK Tanks have, I think it's easier to learn/tank on a DK tank so I have a lot of respect when I see a Great Tank on another class.

But aren’t all but 2 dk abilities magic based?

How does that work with the needing stam for blocking?

Puzzled ....

SirMewser

StamDK

Other?

Funkopotamus

Stamplar

Eh I was able to Stamplar tank just fine in trials..

Only difference is the group needs to know mechanics.. Stamplar tanks are for experience players

I have even seen magplays tank VHMs..

ArterionAU

StamDK

Chronicburn wrote: »

ArterionAU wrote: »

As Taylor said DK's have chains which is a huge bonus, I've seen some great Stamplar Tanks in Trials but they just lack the group support that DK Tanks have, I think it's easier to learn/tank on a DK tank so I have a lot of respect when I see a Great Tank on another class.

But aren’t all but 2 dk abilities magic based?

How does that work with the needing stam for blocking?

Puzzled ....

I only run 14k mag on my DK Tank and 27k Stam, Your only reapplying your Buffs like Volotile/Hardened Armour, Igneous Weapons, Igneous Shield every 10-20 seconds so don't need much Mag at all. Only time you'll burn through Mag is when your Chaining a lot of adds in or using Talons for CC, by the time you run out the adds are dead.

Morgul667

StamDK

Dk

Thalmor-Nordmaster

StamDK

Argonian DK, Redguard DK or Orc DK ? Bosmer DK kinda of a mini -me DK ?

Lord_Eomer

StamDK

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

Argonian DK, Redguard DK or Orc DK ? Bosmer DK kinda of a mini -me DK ?

PVE: Redguard or Bosmer tank truly a waste comparing nord or imperial

Cinbri

Just count which mechanics tamplar has to tanking and than compare to dk - answer will be so stupidly obvious.

PlagueSD

StamDK

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Chains or bust.

Tanking can be really really fun on all classes, but chains just keep DK leagues ahead of any other class.

I may actually try swarm mother set:
(2 items) When you block an attack from an enemy that is further than 5 meters from you, you spin strands of spider silk to pull the enemy to you. This effect can occur once every 1 seconds.

Could be a good replacement for chains.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

StamDK

PlagueSD wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Chains or bust.

Tanking can be really really fun on all classes, but chains just keep DK leagues ahead of any other class.

I may actually try swarm mother set:
(2 items) When you block an attack from an enemy that is further than 5 meters from you, you spin strands of spider silk to pull the enemy to you. This effect can occur once every 1 seconds.

Could be a good replacement for chains.

It is but a dk can slot bloodspawn or Lord warden for more group utility and still stack mobs. And hold them in one spot too, something all tanks but sorcs and wardens, to an extent, lack.

Teridaxus

All classes can absorb damage, the important question is how much team ulitiy can each class provide on top of it instead of being an useless damage sponge.
The fact that dks can generate stamina while blocking helps too. (Zos why do you design trial bosses as perma block situations while trying to get rid of perma blocking?)

Asardes

StamDK

DK, with Warden almost as good. Templar is not really worth speccing as tank.

SoLooney

StamDK

it is widely regarded that stam dks make the best tanks overall, esp in end game content. when i heal, id rather heal a dk tank than a templar tank. templar tanks are too squishy and cant manage resources well as a dk. yet i see so many templar tanks in dungeons....

LaRoseNoire

MAGICKA WARDEN!!!

Come to me my minions

Grabmoore

StamDK

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Eh I was able to Stamplar tank just fine in trials..

Only difference is the group needs to know mechanics.. Stamplar tanks are for experience players

I have even seen magplays tank VHMs..

I have yet to see a templar tanking the warrior or side tanking the adds in the Room near ozara. You have no resource management and would need a baby sitter 24/7. I main a templar and could only imagine running out of resources within a minute.

ereboz

StamDK

Stamplars make fine tanks but DKs will always be the best

Kagetenchu

StamDK

Chronicburn wrote: »

ArterionAU wrote: »

As Taylor said DK's have chains which is a huge bonus, I've seen some great Stamplar Tanks in Trials but they just lack the group support that DK Tanks have, I think it's easier to learn/tank on a DK tank so I have a lot of respect when I see a Great Tank on another class.

But aren’t all but 2 dk abilities magic based?

How does that work with the needing stam for blocking?

Puzzled ....

Igneous shield spam. Burn Marika and with the passive it gives you stamina. Also dk's have better group utility overall.

GreenhaloX

StamDK

Definitely, Igneous Shield is a plus when you have a StamDK tank with hp 60k or more. I don't rely on the chain much, though. I understand a lot of peeps prefer a DK tank with chain, but that is a lot of majiicka cost (3500 a pop; plus Igneous is another 4k), which a StamDK tank doesn't really have. Damn peeps, I'm already keeping the big boss at bay and throwing 7k or more shield on you. Plus, the Magma Shell ultimate adds more shield to you. Do your job as dps and burn down those sorry arse adds. Ha ha. Most of my majicka is reserved for the Igneous and Burning Embers. We have gotten through trials and whatever group contents just fine without the chain.

Ragnarock41

a DK with 50-60k HP
is NOT A STAMDK.
Its a friggen tank.

Girl_Number8

StamDK

I luv my Dk's but they're still upset at the hvy nerf.

GreenhaloX

StamDK

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

a DK with 50-60k HP
is NOT A STAMDK.
Its a friggen tank.

Sure.. it is a friggen tank, but is a "StamDK" tank. My 70k hp DK, with 19k stamina and 12k majicka, is a friggen tank, but it's a "StamDK" tank, which I use 2H on the other bar. My other 40k hp DK, with 21k majicka and 16k stamina, is also a friggen tank, but it's a "MagDK" tank, which I use a lightning staff on the other bar. Get it.. do you get it..?

Destruent

Grabmoore wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Eh I was able to Stamplar tank just fine in trials..

Only difference is the group needs to know mechanics.. Stamplar tanks are for experience players

I have even seen magplays tank VHMs..

I have yet to see a templar tanking the warrior or side tanking the adds in the Room near ozara. You have no resource management and would need a baby sitter 24/7. I main a templar and could only imagine running out of resources within a minute.

Mainproblem as templartank is selfhealing, not ressources...especially on warrior you have lots of time for heavy attacks...

Chronicburn

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

a DK with 50-60k HP
is NOT A STAMDK.
Its a friggen tank.

Sure.. it is a friggen tank, but is a "StamDK" tank. My 70k hp DK, with 19k stamina and 12k majicka, is a friggen tank, but it's a "StamDK" tank, which I use 2H on the other bar. My other 40k hp DK, with 21k majicka and 16k stamina, is also a friggen tank, but it's a "MagDK" tank, which I use a lightning staff on the other bar. Get it.. do you get it..?

You sound like kind of an expert on DK tanking ...
Can you please tell me what are the “must have” abilities you need slotted when tanking? Also the “probably want” skills?

Also if you don’t mind... could you compare/contrast tanking with magika vs stamina build? I want to make a playable tank and not sure which way to go ...

DocFrost72

StamDK

Destruent wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Eh I was able to Stamplar tank just fine in trials..

Only difference is the group needs to know mechanics.. Stamplar tanks are for experience players

I have even seen magplays tank VHMs..

I have yet to see a templar tanking the warrior or side tanking the adds in the Room near ozara. You have no resource management and would need a baby sitter 24/7. I main a templar and could only imagine running out of resources within a minute.

Mainproblem as templartank is selfhealing, not ressources...especially on warrior you have lots of time for heavy attacks...

Nailed it ^

On my dk I can survive a while alone because of gdb, same with warden and polar wind. There is a much more demanding stam return issue on a templar (repentance needs a rework from the ground up. Read: make rune focus restore stam or mag depending on max value...), but it is fine issue you plan for it and know the fight.

Not having an aoe root/add pull also hurts

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

StamDK

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Eh I was able to Stamplar tank just fine in trials..

Only difference is the group needs to know mechanics.. Stamplar tanks are for experience players

I have even seen magplays tank VHMs..

I have yet to see a templar tanking the warrior or side tanking the adds in the Room near ozara. You have no resource management and would need a baby sitter 24/7. I main a templar and could only imagine running out of resources within a minute.

Mainproblem as templartank is selfhealing, not ressources...especially on warrior you have lots of time for heavy attacks...

Nailed it ^

On my dk I can survive a while alone because of gdb, same with warden and polar wind. There is a much more demanding stam return issue on a templar (repentance needs a rework from the ground up. Read: make rune focus restore stam or mag depending on max value...), but it is fine issue you plan for it and know the fight.

Not having an aoe root/add pull also hurts

i would not use GDB on my tank, i use igneous shield then vigor, better heals and more team support. my dk is actually a full on stam dk, i just switch out armor, bs, ebon, DG, with stam sets i have, SoM, hundings and agility with a master sword and vma bow back bar, she is then able to do desnt dps, like 25k dps, i am aware that is not going to set the world on fire but more then enough dps for most thing in the game and everything that i run as a dps on her. like 34k helath as tank, 17k as dps with 36k stam and 3k weapon damage.

Destruent

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Eh I was able to Stamplar tank just fine in trials..

Only difference is the group needs to know mechanics.. Stamplar tanks are for experience players

I have even seen magplays tank VHMs..

I have yet to see a templar tanking the warrior or side tanking the adds in the Room near ozara. You have no resource management and would need a baby sitter 24/7. I main a templar and could only imagine running out of resources within a minute.

Mainproblem as templartank is selfhealing, not ressources...especially on warrior you have lots of time for heavy attacks...

Nailed it ^

On my dk I can survive a while alone because of gdb, same with warden and polar wind. There is a much more demanding stam return issue on a templar (repentance needs a rework from the ground up. Read: make rune focus restore stam or mag depending on max value...), but it is fine issue you plan for it and know the fight.

Not having an aoe root/add pull also hurts

i would not use GDB on my tank, i use igneous shield then vigor, better heals and more team support. my dk is actually a full on stam dk, i just switch out armor, bs, ebon, DG, with stam sets i have, SoM, hundings and agility with a master sword and vma bow back bar, she is then able to do desnt dps, like 25k dps, i am aware that is not going to set the world on fire but more then enough dps for most thing in the game and everything that i run as a dps on her. like 34k helath as tank, 17k as dps with 36k stam and 3k weapon damage.

GDB is the best selfheal in the game, there's no reason not to use it as a DK. When used properly it heals for 30k...40k and more...vigor and the other hand just tickles for 2k or so...not worth it if you are not using powerfull assault.