Jumping idiots

Chakei

Originally I would jump because it's more fun than just running/riding everywhere, plus it relieved tension in my hand/wrist. Now I do it because people cry about it (and I'm hardly at the lower end of the age scale). Honestly, if this distracts you so much that you have to post on the forums about it, who is really the idiot here?

Rawkan

How do people get this upset about something like this?

Talk about first world problems.

Aurielle

ArchMikem wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It doesn't affect me playing the game, I just ignore them, but I do automatically assume that players who jump around the whole time are at the bottom end of the age scale for gaming.

Never thought about actual gameplay relevance in jumping?

^ This. Jumping is pretty useful in a lot of situations.

You can simply cover more ground by jumping and while using abilities at the same time, than just running and using abilities. You also enlarge your field of view, etc.

On consoles, without Elite controllers, you HAVE to jump if you want to keep moving while barswapping (yes the button layout is kinda awkward on controllers), since you have to move the left joystick and you barswap with the same thumb.

No? I move forward with the left thumbstick and just bring my right thumb over to barswap. Cant turn, but i can still keep moving around.

Why don't you guys just remap your bar-swap button? On PS4, I bar-swap by clicking my right analog stick -- no loss of momentum, no need to jump, no lack of ability to turn. Being able to bar-swap on the fly is more important to me than being able to crouch on the fly.

NewBlacksmurf

You don’t convince him, you invite them only. If they say no or aren’t interested let them be.

Don’t be that person....it comes off as selfish vs anything else. Also it’s true, there are a lot of jumping idiots on this game as well as others.

Aconight

Jumping around or spinning in circles keeps me focused and keeps my hands from falling asleep (I'll react faster if something suddenly happens). Also stops me from feeling restless. (I mostly do it when I'm waiting or doing something boring)

ADarklore

The only times I find myself 'hopping around' is when the stupid 'E' key will not register to open a darn chest or harvest mats. Found this happening alot at Dark Anchors yesterday... when the anchor breaks, it suddenly throws you back 'in combat' again and you have to wait about 30/s before it will release you, even though you are clearly not in combat. So I find myself hopping around the chest waiting for the option to open it. I've also found this while harvesting mats too, you sprint up to a node and go to click the 'E' key to harvest and all the character does is jump around it. Grrrrrrrr.

Insandros

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

I had a conversation lately with one of my friends, he is a big fan of ES, but he hate ESO because its a MMO
when i asked him directly - why you wont try it? ESO has greate solo-player content too, very detailed quests, and such
he told:

- I wont see this jumping idiots(other players) around me

and its not the only one opinion i heard, i know other guys that thinking the same way about MMO games
I think its a big mistake and misunderstanding, but all my argumets havent any positive effects

what do you think about this, how to convince such ppl?

He must be hell of a happy person that they never came up with Mario Bros MMO with Mario jumping all over the place to hit stars on his head :P

CountEdmondDantes

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

I had a conversation lately with one of my friends, he is a big fan of ES, but he hate ESO because its a MMO
when i asked him directly - why you wont try it? ESO has greate solo-player content too, very detailed quests, and such
he told:

- I wont see this jumping idiots(other players) around me

and its not the only one opinion i heard, i know other guys that thinking the same way about MMO games
I think its a big mistake and misunderstanding, but all my argumets havent any positive effects

what do you think about this, how to convince such ppl?

Convince him of what? To play a game he doesn't want to play? Leave him alone and let him play what he wants.

Man, I've been playing games for a long time (yeah, I'm an old guy). Like your friend, I loved TES but avoided ESO. My daughter finally bought me the game. I played it for awhile but honestly, at the end of the day, it's more an MMO than it is a TES game.

MMOs are designed to separate fools from their money. That's it. Just look at ESO. Crown crates? Hours of grinding for equiptment that is bound? Houses that do nothing but sell for the real dollar equivalent of a car payment? Cosmetic pets that do nothing. Seriously? Tell me again how this isn't anything more than a cash grab by Zenimax.

Does that mean it's a bad game? No. In fact, it's better than a lot of MMOs. But it's still an MMO: which means I can take it in small doses, a couple of hours at time, and when I do play I have to ignore all the crap in the game that I don't want in my games. I mean, it's an MMO. Thousands of people play at a time. Odds are some will want to do things you don't like. Tough if you don't like it.

None of this is new. People saying and doing annoying things in games goes back to line-command MMOs. My advice is play your game and let him play his.

ADarklore

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

I had a conversation lately with one of my friends, he is a big fan of ES, but he hate ESO because its a MMO
when i asked him directly - why you wont try it? ESO has greate solo-player content too, very detailed quests, and such
he told:

- I wont see this jumping idiots(other players) around me

and its not the only one opinion i heard, i know other guys that thinking the same way about MMO games
I think its a big mistake and misunderstanding, but all my argumets havent any positive effects

what do you think about this, how to convince such ppl?

Convince him of what? To play a game he doesn't want to play? Leave him alone and let him play what he wants.

Man, I've been playing games for a long time (yeah, I'm an old guy). Like your friend, I loved TES but avoided ESO. My daughter finally bought me the game. I played it for awhile but honestly, at the end of the day, it's more an MMO than it is a TES game.

MMOs are designed to separate fools from their money. That's it. Just look at ESO. Crown crates? Hours of grinding for equiptment that is bound? Houses that do nothing but sell for the real dollar equivalent of a car payment? Cosmetic pets that do nothing. Seriously? Tell me again how this isn't anything more than a cash grab by Zenimax.

Does that mean it's a bad game? No. In fact, it's better than a lot of MMOs. But it's still an MMO: which means I can take it in small doses, a couple of hours at time, and when I do play I have to ignore all the crap in the game that I don't want in my games. I mean, it's an MMO. Thousands of people play at a time. Odds are some will want to do things you don't like. Tough if you don't like it.

None of this is new. People saying and doing annoying things in games goes back to line-command MMOs. My advice is play your game and let him play his.

There's a HUGE difference between a single player game and an MMO... MMO's NEED a constant source of revenue to keep the servers running and game continuously updated. That's the sad reality that many 'first time' MMO players cannot seem to grasp, MMOs need a constant source of revenue, whereas a single player game is one-time deal and perhaps a couple of DLCs for a year, but that's it. Many of us enjoy playing the SAME GAME for hours, days, months and years without an end... the thing that bothers me about single player games... "The End"... an MMO has NO 'end' until the servers shut down. I have a couple single player games that I've never finished simply because I didn't want it to end, especially when I create a character that I enjoy playing... all while knowing that eventually my journey with that character will end. At least with an MMO, your journey with that character can last as long as the servers stay running... not just a few hours.

maboleth

^ I don't know about pve, but pvp jumpers are annoying pests. If you see a pvper carelessly jumping, know that s/he is probably a troll, very hard to kill and/or dangerous to others. It's like Cyrodill's version of 'you can't catch me' clowns.

And I also agree with a MMO statement. ES questing and MMO don't mix well together in my opinion. Immersion is the problem with trillion billion nps waiting to die and respawn and very frequent but short quests that don't change anything in the world.

Let's see - in Skyrim you arrive in a remote cottage (village) in the middle of the night with Secunda shining from above. Someone is sleeping in the huts, there's no one around except the mountain peaks in the distance. You *know* that something mysterious lies there, up above the mountains where you can actually go. You look around, it's beautiful, chilly, creepy and eerie at the same time. You go further and suddenly you spot a pack of vampires lingering around. Or werewolves. Or some lonely creepy guy walking somewhere. You hide, you run, you chase or fight.

In ESO - after neutralizing 74 insects, zombies, cultists etc. you finally arrived at a remote cottage (village) in the middle of night. Everyone is around you, usually enemies, doing 24/7 routines. The streets are crowded, even though it's 3 am. You go further and suddenly more enemies notice you and attack. But only in radius of 120 meters, after that they return back to their starting positions to entertain frighten other players. You pretend to kill them but it's all temporary. They will soon respawn doing their same, happy routines.

I know most of these stuff is because of the MMO mechanics, but I totally get why many ES fans loathe ESO, even though there are many great and inspired places and quests. And top class voice artists. The world just feels watered down despite having million of NPCs and zillion of places to see. There's too much of everything. Once you learn how the game works you suddenly stop caring that much. It feels staged and same wherever you go.

gpreid81

Caltrops hurt the feet ppl wehave to jump :-))

Storymaster

This topic should be renamed J'IDIOTS

mb10

I make complete sure that the mag sorcs that do it in PVP end up dead no matter what.

kypranb14_ESO

It would be nice to see a stamina cost added to jumping due to the way it effects PVP melee combat. I refuse to play any melee classes in PVP due to jump-casting.

They can be fun in PVE, but that's about it for me. lol

diskiukas

Why would anyone care if someone likes to jump a lot. I like to solo Dolmens, but anytime I come to one , its like 30 people over there. But I do not complain, cause they have the right to play video game the way they want and I am certainly dont have a right to tell them how to play so they can enjoy. Different people enjoy different things, get over it. If I want to jump around , I will and your opinion certainly would not change it.

Samadhi

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

zenimax, please add a very high stamina cost to jumping. myself and many others simply hate seeing it.

Also, dramatically increase the Stamina cost of Sneak and add a cost to remaining still in Sneak
too many people spend their time hunched down running around town and passing their faces through my crotch

Slack

Was expecting a "I Hate jumping Sorcs thread".

Solexe

The things people get upset about these days... Yeah if you have contempt for other people (meaning you see someone jumping and assume they are an idiot because they don't play like you do), dont play a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online rpg. We don't need more toxicity in mmo scene because and those players don't need the frustration of a game not being what they hoped. Play Skyrim or something. Those npcs are content to stay quite earthbound for you.

Dystopia2020

Colecovision wrote: »

This is an MMO and it has way more in common with other mmos than it does the other Elder Scrolls games. 95% of the "solo" content just means that the words show up on your screen until you tell them to go away. The "jumping idiots" is the tip of the non rpg iceberg. From politics in chat to competitive flower picking, the list of things that pull you from a solo fantasy experience is overwhelming. Trying to pretended a mission is solo, when it's possible to see a boss get killed right when you arrive to save the day, simply kills your credibility.

I play the current main story(like CWC) on the PTS before content drops, sometimes multiple times just to feel "alone".
I hate the Disneyland lines, but they work out when you want to do daily's.

Rawkan

Dystopia2020 wrote: »

Colecovision wrote: »

This is an MMO and it has way more in common with other mmos than it does the other Elder Scrolls games. 95% of the "solo" content just means that the words show up on your screen until you tell them to go away. The "jumping idiots" is the tip of the non rpg iceberg. From politics in chat to competitive flower picking, the list of things that pull you from a solo fantasy experience is overwhelming. Trying to pretended a mission is solo, when it's possible to see a boss get killed right when you arrive to save the day, simply kills your credibility.

I play the current main story(like CWC) on the PTS before content drops, sometimes multiple times just to feel "alone".
I hate the Disneyland lines, but they work out when you want to do daily's.

I'm up at night and sleep during the day in periods. I love doing content in the early morning hours, from around 3-7 am. I did this for CWC story just to avoid the biggest mass of people that play during the day.

This is an MMO though, so you will come across others. It makes the world feel more alive so I have no problems with it.

Korah_Eaglecry

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

I had a conversation lately with one of my friends, he is a big fan of ES, but he hate ESO because its a MMO
when i asked him directly - why you wont try it? ESO has greate solo-player content too, very detailed quests, and such
he told:

- I wont see this jumping idiots(other players) around me

and its not the only one opinion i heard, i know other guys that thinking the same way about MMO games
I think its a big mistake and misunderstanding, but all my argumets havent any positive effects

what do you think about this, how to convince such ppl?

Seems like a really odd thing to focus in on as a reason not to play an MMO. Not sure why they cant be honest with themselves and admit that what they dont like is sharing space with other gamers in their gamer experience. And that this whole "jumping idiots" excuse is just that.

br0steen

Ask your friend if they need any pepper to go with all that salt.

CapnPhoton

I have soloed about 90% of the time. Sometimes you run along side another through a delve, etc and they have the same goal, but your not actually grouping. If he wants to avoid people, that is his choice but he is missing some great content. He would see people running around of course, but is it really a big deal?.

Morvane

he is hidden spy from NCSoft Lineage 2, just ignore him

Karius_Imalthar

Honestly, if another player jumping is enough to keep them from playing then I don't hold any hope for them.

NewBlacksmurf

ADarklore wrote: »

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

I had a conversation lately with one of my friends, he is a big fan of ES, but he hate ESO because its a MMO
when i asked him directly - why you wont try it? ESO has greate solo-player content too, very detailed quests, and such
he told:

- I wont see this jumping idiots(other players) around me

and its not the only one opinion i heard, i know other guys that thinking the same way about MMO games
I think its a big mistake and misunderstanding, but all my argumets havent any positive effects

what do you think about this, how to convince such ppl?

Convince him of what? To play a game he doesn't want to play? Leave him alone and let him play what he wants.

Man, I've been playing games for a long time (yeah, I'm an old guy). Like your friend, I loved TES but avoided ESO. My daughter finally bought me the game. I played it for awhile but honestly, at the end of the day, it's more an MMO than it is a TES game.

MMOs are designed to separate fools from their money. That's it. Just look at ESO. Crown crates? Hours of grinding for equiptment that is bound? Houses that do nothing but sell for the real dollar equivalent of a car payment? Cosmetic pets that do nothing. Seriously? Tell me again how this isn't anything more than a cash grab by Zenimax.

Does that mean it's a bad game? No. In fact, it's better than a lot of MMOs. But it's still an MMO: which means I can take it in small doses, a couple of hours at time, and when I do play I have to ignore all the crap in the game that I don't want in my games. I mean, it's an MMO. Thousands of people play at a time. Odds are some will want to do things you don't like. Tough if you don't like it.

None of this is new. People saying and doing annoying things in games goes back to line-command MMOs. My advice is play your game and let him play his.

There's a HUGE difference between a single player game and an MMO... MMO's NEED a constant source of revenue to keep the servers running and game continuously updated. That's the sad reality that many 'first time' MMO players cannot seem to grasp, MMOs need a constant source of revenue, whereas a single player game is one-time deal and perhaps a couple of DLCs for a year, but that's it. Many of us enjoy playing the SAME GAME for hours, days, months and years without an end... the thing that bothers me about single player games... "The End"... an MMO has NO 'end' until the servers shut down. I have a couple single player games that I've never finished simply because I didn't want it to end, especially when I create a character that I enjoy playing... all while knowing that eventually my journey with that character will end. At least with an MMO, your journey with that character can last as long as the servers stay running... not just a few hours.

If you honestly believe what you wrote....MMOs need a constant source of revenue, then you’ve fallen for it too.

I think that was part of their comment “seperate fools from their money.”

When companies make games, there is a financial aspect however the companies decisions to align based on a requirement of ongoing revenue is seperate from the game type and the server it’s played on or lack thereof.

They want to get paid ongoing....not the same as what it takes to keep a server game going.

sarbonn

I'm not a real fan of people who jump around all the time, but I have to say that in combat it sometimes comes in handy and looks pretty awesome. As a magic nightblade, I often flip around in the middle of a jump while landing my elemental blockade, and it just looks so cool when I do so. However, I never jump around when I'm not in combat and doing it on purpose.

Colecovision

Dystopia2020 wrote: »

I hate the Disneyland lines

Go on superbowl sunday. Ski lifts are empty as well.

Izaki

ArchMikem wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It doesn't affect me playing the game, I just ignore them, but I do automatically assume that players who jump around the whole time are at the bottom end of the age scale for gaming.

Never thought about actual gameplay relevance in jumping?

^ This. Jumping is pretty useful in a lot of situations.

You can simply cover more ground by jumping and while using abilities at the same time, than just running and using abilities. You also enlarge your field of view, etc.

On consoles, without Elite controllers, you HAVE to jump if you want to keep moving while barswapping (yes the button layout is kinda awkward on controllers), since you have to move the left joystick and you barswap with the same thumb.

No? I move forward with the left thumbstick and just bring my right thumb over to barswap. Cant turn, but i can still keep moving around.

Wow you must bar swap cancel real quick... /sarcasm
You're performing 3 actions with the same finger: bar swap (which is VERY awkward), camera angles and abilities. Needless to say, its not very efficient. Much easier to just jump and bar swap which retaining full momentum and the ability to turn around...

Danksta

Izaki wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It doesn't affect me playing the game, I just ignore them, but I do automatically assume that players who jump around the whole time are at the bottom end of the age scale for gaming.

Never thought about actual gameplay relevance in jumping?

I'm not likely to confuse an idiot jumping in circles in a delve waiting for the boss to spawn with a sensible player trying to jump up a cliff-side. I don't PvP in ESO so if there's actual gameplay relevance in jumping in Cyrodiil that is more mature than teabagging then I wouldn't have seen it anyway.

I'm going to give a PvE example of jumping usefulness then vMA speed run on any stamina class. When you've prepared a portal spawn with your ground DoTs, since you're melee for the most part, you often need to get to a portal on the other side of the map (especially on the first and 4th arenas). Sprinting then jumping gives you A LOT of momentum and you end up covering more distance and using up less stamina than if you simply sprinted up to the portal spawn you wanted to focus on. Another example is the 3rd arena: same technique, sprint then jump over the electrified water all the while firing off Poison Injections on the other mobs.

But yeah, bottom line is, jumping conserves momentum allowing you to move at full speed while using abilities than would normaly slow you down, so it is useful. And of course, jumping is free unlike sprinting, so instead of sprinting towards to your target the whole way, jump (which not only doesn't use stamina and covers more ground, but also allows you to fire off abilities without losing any speed at all).

I think most people jump on stage 5 when transitioning to a new platform since walking on them is unreliable at best. Imagine if jumping cost stamina, Stage 5 would be a nightmare on mag toons. Jump on platform then immediately get feared? Yea, that sounds awesome....