Fix face/body marking visibility on Vampires

Lord_Wrath

10-23-19
EDIT: Anyone who has played vampire has noticed that all face/body markings appear so washed out you can hardly tell its on you.

A lot of people are tired of the ugly vampire paleness, logically a body marking should appear even moreso on top of pale skin.

Im asking Zos to change the order of skin appearance so that the vamp paleness IS NOT the overlapping skin. Another option could be a skin collectible for vampire (aquired after skill line completion or something). If not, can you please explain why this cannot be?

Malmai

Also if u put different skins on vampire it looks washed out like hell... So bad...

Lord_Wrath

Yes it does, all body markings are dull.

idk

Malmai wrote: »

Also if u put different skins on vampire it looks washed out like hell... So bad...

I have several skins and none seem to wash out. They look just as they do on non vamps.

Off hand I think the skins I have used are Dro M'thra, Fabrication Sheath and Amberplasm. No change with their appearance on a vamp or non vamp.

Alpheu5

Malmai wrote: »

Also if u put different skins on vampire it looks washed out like hell... So bad...

Skins are entirely different entities to body markings. Body markings apply an overlay to the character texture so that the natural tones can come through, and they're hardly visible on vampires. Skins replace the texture entirely.

Lord_Wrath

Its been a few years now....

Cirantille

Head markings too

Darkenarlol

it is just the way how body marks looks on vamps

some people are happy with how it looks some are not

but it is not a bug so there is nothing to fix

Lord_Wrath

Darkenarlol wrote: »

it is just the way how body marks looks on vamps

some people are happy with how it looks some are not

but it is not a bug so there is nothing to fix

Thats not even an argument against it, whats backing up your claim? The pale skin of the vamp applies OVERTOP of any body markings. How does that make any sense to you? Logically, black paint should show up better over white pale skin, no?

Literally, they can apply the vamp skin to be behind body markings to fix it.

Tyrobag

This has been asked for for years, ZoS has never bothered to even acknowledge it.

starkerealm

There's a couple head markings, like the Crimson Flame Lips that apply over the vampire shader, and aren't pale. But, those are the minority.

Also, applying any skin will override the vampire shader. But, if you want to look like a vampire, that's not an option.

Lord_Wrath

Tyrobag wrote: »

This has been asked for for years, ZoS has never bothered to even acknowledge it.

I know....ill keep trying!

starkerealm wrote: »

There's a couple head markings, like the Crimson Flame Lips that apply over the vampire shader, and aren't pale. But, those are the minority.

Also, applying any skin will override the vampire shader. But, if you want to look like a vampire, that's not an option.

A lot of skins also hide markings as well. I rocked the Zombie skin for a little while, that helped a lot show up without looking too altered but only blacks and reds showed up 50%.

LoneStar2911

The vampire look/skin should be optional. A collection you get while you're a vampire that you can toggle on and off, and should be locked (can't use) if you're not a vampire.
The vampire skin and veins and eyes are absolutely hideous.
I enjoy being a vampire... but not looking like one.

Casterial

Vampire is ugly it's why I'm never one

starkerealm

Amber322 wrote: »

The vampire look/skin should be optional. A collection you get while you're a vampire that you can toggle on and off, and should be locked (can't use) if you're not a vampire.
The vampire skin and veins and eyes are absolutely hideous.
I enjoy being a vampire... but not looking like one.

Stage 1 can look pretty good on some characters. Stage 4 looks like moldy jerky.

Kadoozy

starkerealm wrote: »

Amber322 wrote: »

The vampire look/skin should be optional. A collection you get while you're a vampire that you can toggle on and off, and should be locked (can't use) if you're not a vampire.
The vampire skin and veins and eyes are absolutely hideous.
I enjoy being a vampire... but not looking like one.

Stage 1 can look pretty good on some characters. Stage 4 looks like moldy jerky.

I agree with this. I wish they would just let you choose which stage you want to look like cosmetically or to turn it off completely. It's not like you can't just throw a skin on and hide it so it already doesn't effect pvp at all. Might as well let us look how we want and get some good PR.

DocFrost72

I always wondered why this was defended.

Why would body paint be pale because you are? Zero sense.

Why would ink behind your skin fade because your skin does? It makes no sense.

It's a programming quirk because vampirism is a shader applied over these features, it is not a conscious design of intent. If it were, there would be absolutely zero reason for it. None.

Please, pretty please, someone from ZOS acknowledge you've seen the thread?

Tattoos DO NOT color your skin (well, not really). They create pockets of ink underneath your skin. Think about it: tattoos take forever to fade because they are created by a pool of ink beneath the skin layer. Your body constantly sheds skin, pushing more and more to the surface as the cells age and die. If it colored your skin, tattoos wouldn't last anywhere near as long as they do.

starkerealm

DocFrost72 wrote: »

I always wondered why this was defended.

Why would body paint be pale because you are? Zero sense.

Why would ink behind your skin fade because your skin does? It makes no sense.

It's a programming quirk because vampirism is a shader applied over these features, it is not a conscious design of intent. If it were, there would be absolutely zero reason for it. None.

Please, pretty please, someone from ZOS acknowledge you've seen the thread?

Tattoos DO NOT color your skin (well, not really). They create pockets of ink underneath your skin. Think about it: tattoos take forever to fade because they are created by a pool of ink beneath the skin layer. Your body constantly sheds skin, pushing more and more to the surface as the cells age and die. If it colored your skin, tattoos wouldn't last anywhere near as long as they do.

Hilariously, you actually do see this when you use a marker on yourself, as it will fade quickly.

It might make sense with some of the markings, like freckles, but everything after that, it's kinda like, "wait, what?"

darthgummibear_ESO

It would be nice if they would acknowledge the issue instead of pretending it doesn't exist. That's the most infuriating part. This bug is why I don't buy markings.

SORjosh

vamp affecting the color of body markings is just dumb..... vamp disease shouldn't affect tattoos, should it?

Naftal

Let us choose the opacity of the markings and maybe also the color.

Lord_Wrath

Amber322 wrote: »

The vampire look/skin should be optional. A collection you get while you're a vampire that you can toggle on and off, and should be locked (can't use) if you're not a vampire.

Thats an excellent suggestion for a solution!

yRaven

Never gonna happen, but we can always dream

Fischblut

I support proper colorful tattoos and markings for pale vampire skin!
I still can't forgive the fact that we got new fake vampire manequins for showcasing body art... When I saw pictures in datamines, I was 100% sure that these markings will actually look black on vampires, just as they look black on white manequins
When I read the description of Wings Of Darkness body markings, I imagine it's being said to one of my vampires - if he would ever think about being cured. He would get this body art to remember and display the darkness of his soul:

“The darkness within you should be acknowledged, yes? With you, I see it as wings taking you through times of Dark Moons into brighter times. Let us get to work so that you can better embrace this journey.”

Of course he doesn't think about cure, but he would love to use this black body art.

I bought most of new body art anyway, cause it looks awesome on normal characters. I hope someday body art will look awesome on vampires as well

I only have two vampires, and the scary look is part of their nature. Without vampirism, these characters would not exist. But when I use some cool body art on them, it never looks right

For example, black body art is supposed to enhance the look of this character and create nice mix with her armor...

Ryath_Waylander

I just wish they would apply the markings on top of the vamp skin and for Qol for vamps and non vamp, give us a light/dark shader for markings like Skyrim

Lord_Wrath

Fingers crossed