Who gets kicked from dungeons most often?

Cillion3117

Anyone that's being an #$$.

LadyNalcarya

Ehh I assume it often happens to people who are neither of these roles, but still queue for veteran dungeons.

yukikenzo

Those who pick all roles or queue as a role they're not playing at all. Mostly DPS who queue for anything but DPS.

akl77

I vote for tanks, cos there are more fake tank then fake healer or fake dps.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Low CPs get vote kicked simply for being low. I always deny until everyone has been given the chance to show how good (s)he is. If people keep asking to kick the same person over and over I do expose it in the chat, asking to please stop it, leaving otherwise.

Fake tanks are rarely kicked, instead. These are usually the very same kid that vote kick low CPs. These are those that die miserably against a strong melee boss.


When you behave like an *ss remember:

• You did not know how to play your char.
• Low CP does not mean bad.
• High CP does not mean good.
• I could get that divine heavy/medium/light monster mask you farm since weeks.

Karma.

Runschei

That one dude refusing to read the rest of the groups advice in group chat, no matter what 12 different languages we say it in.

Marabornwingrion

essi2 wrote: »

@Astrid_V I don't think I've ever met an RPer in a Dungeon.

I've met one newbie in nWGT in the past. Instead of fighting with mobs like rest of us he prefered to stop every few steps to use some weird emotes, communication with him in chat was very difficult because nobody understood what the heck he's talking about.

bebynnag

The max CP player who initiates a vote to kick the <50 or low CP player.

when its a normal dungeon

especially when the max CP is failing to do their job while the <50 or low CP is not only doing their job, but is asking for & listening to advice so they do their job better

SoLooney

I initiate votes for fake tanks, bad players who queue all 3 roles, bad dps, light and heavy attack spamming scrubs, refusing to learn mechanics when group is trying to help, low levels in hard vet dungeons, rude jerks.

If vote fails and I forsee that we cannot finish, I just bail, those suckers can suffer on their own terms. I can carry 1, maybe 2, but I refuse to carry 3, and this is why I hardly ever pug. May Lorkhan be with you puggers

Doctordarkspawn

Insomnia rex wrote: »

No one on my watch , I always decline because i think it's bad that it's possible in the first place (offline/dced players are a different topic). If you asked 'who leaves most often after initiating an unsuccessful vote kick' that's also another topic.

There is such a thing as too kind. If your DPS cant cut it, if your tank isn't taunting, if the healer isn't healing, they go. And holding it back isn't just wasting your time, it's wasting the two other peoples there.

I -hate- people like you. Even when the dude is like several levels below requirement you'll still hold them in.

Meld777

Insomnia rex wrote: »

No one on my watch , I always decline because i think it's bad that it's possible in the first place (offline/dced players are a different topic). If you asked 'who leaves most often after initiating an unsuccessful vote kick' that's also another topic.

I do the same. And I always kick people that try to kick low CP without giving them a chance.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

SoLooney wrote: »

...low levels in hard vet dungeons...

What is low? And which are the hard vet dungeons?
Both are very subjective answers.

I have completed Vaults of Madness (I consider this quite simple actually) with all CP100s. It took quite a while, but we did it hard mode without any problem.

Similarly, I joined a party of three stuck at the second boss in Crypts 2 veteran. As I entered the group as a healer,, they were discussing in the chat and one was complaining that they had no chance since DPS was very slow. We finished without any other death. True, DPS was very slow and it took a lot do take down the bosses, but since there was no DPS race and healing was solid and consistent throughout the whole dungeon, we had no real problem.

Yamenstein

puffytheslayer wrote: »

The max CP player who initiates a vote to kick the <50 or low CP player.

when its a normal dungeon

especially when the max CP is failing to do their job while the <50 or low CP is not only doing their job, but is asking for & listening to advice so they do their job better

Whoever kicks low level players on normal dungeons is just an ass. It's a normal dungeon. I always queue as tank for normal dungeons, because as a high CP player I find it very very easy to hold agro and aoe mobs down. Especially in normal. Only reason I run them are for some quick gear grinds, random normal or because I ceebs running a vet dungeon for 2 gold keys.

With that said. I queue for all roles in vet dungeons. Because I feel comfortable dpsing, tanking and healing - and I'm happy to leave if someone thinks I underperform as long as I am given a chance to prove myself.

With that said, in trials I just stick to dps.

Merlin13KAGL

Jeremy wrote: »

You say you disagree with me. But then you actually go on to agree with me when you say almost worse than no tank.

When there is little hope of replacement kicking a bad tank doesn't do the group any good. It's usually faster just to start the queue over.

@Jeremy , fixed it for me:

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

This I disagree on. A bad tank/heals is almost often worse than no tank/heals.

On any content of consequence, any one role not up to par will generally result in non-completion. Remaining group members can only compensate so much.

Also, I think you underestimate the creativity with which people can manage to screw things up. I've been in scenarios where the dead healer/tank was more of a benefit when left that way because it was no longer possible for them to make things worse. Every mistake has a cost associated with it. When it's a net loss, it is, in fact, better to have none than bad.

TL;DR You sum group is either qualified or not. The rest is RNG.

A no-clear is a no-clear, whether because you're short one person, or because you may as well be.

ShimmerDoll

Except some people can't control item drop to do the right dps sometimes but the lower content offers nothing to expand their characters, where the harder stuff would. A lot of it would be solved with the elimination of animation canceling. Lots of people don't do i Know. Some have injuries from occupational hazards and stuff and just do the heavy melee one, which is a lot easier. That one seems the most okay too. The one that makes the character look like it's having seizures and the animation is glitching looks wrong and if someone viewed just that and didn't know eso had AC, they'd think it was just poorly animated nonsense, like some kickstarter games that had glitchy animations.

karldavy149b16_ESO

usually anyone who gives me lip ... or dps that just suck with sub 15k dps on aoe trash

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Yamenstein wrote: »

I always queue as tank for normal dungeons, because as a high CP player I find it very very easy to hold agro and aoe mobs down.

Why do you go to normal dungeons anyway? As a level 23 tank, I often find it hard to keep aggro when I PUG with high CPs. I don't really care about the drops and/or finishing the dungeon. By going to normal ones you do not allow me to learn to play as a tank.

karldavy149b16_ESO

zaria wrote: »

GrimClaw wrote: »

Tanks never cared about kicks. It's instant group invite in every MMO. And a tank will die more often due to healers failing to heal properly. But I wouldn't like to play tank. There is a design flaw in every MMO:

1 tank for group content
1-2 tank for raids

How many tanks who did group content, are not required anymore when you start raiding ? Have fun finding a raid group as a tank.Always the best equipped tank will be chosen.

Fake tanks are not tanks, no not bad tanks obvious fakes 18K health and not holding aggro.
Tanks who are just bad are safe.

Healers, tend to queue as healer and was just kicked once, joined trade guild pug for CoS as cp180 or something, asked if normal and got an yes, it was vet, not sure if group knew it was vet
DPS, rarely.

Most kicks tend to be low level players in start of normal dlc dungeons and low cp in veteran.

u do know unless its a vet dlc dungeon every other single vet dungeon doesnt require a tank ... and most of them can be soloed or two manned so yeah when i hear people qq about fake tanks i chuckle and tag you on my ltp ignore list

Jeremy

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

You say you disagree with me. But then you actually go on to agree with me when you say almost worse than no tank.

When there is little hope of replacement kicking a bad tank doesn't do the group any good. It's usually faster just to start the queue over.

@Jeremy , fixed it for me:

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

This I disagree on. A bad tank/heals is almost often worse than no tank/heals.

On any content of consequence, any one role not up to par will generally result in non-completion. Remaining group members can only compensate so much.

Also, I think you underestimate the creativity with which people can manage to screw things up. I've been in scenarios where the dead healer/tank was more of a benefit when left that way because it was no longer possible for them to make things worse. Every mistake has a cost associated with it. When it's a net loss, it is, in fact, better to have none than bad.

TL;DR You sum group is either qualified or not. The rest is RNG.

A no-clear is a no-clear, whether because you're short one person, or because you may as well be.

You have to keep in mind the context of my comments.

I was explaining why it was that tanks get kicked less often than other jobs. The theory being presented was due to it being an easier role to play and that's what I was disputing.

Tanks are the rarest and most difficult player to replace in your group. So I believe that is why groups tend to put up with bad or fake tanks in many instances. Because removing them often doesn't do the group any good. It just results in a DPS loss and a 3 man group instead of a 4 man group. It's not because tanking is just so easy you rarely ever run across tanks who are poorly played.

Now of course there are bad players out there who can can screw things up for the party. But that's doesn't really have anything in particular to do with specific combat roles - nor does that explain why tanks are generally kicked less often.

I also understand your point about certain content requiring a competent tank. But if you can't find a replacement after kicking the incompetent tank then the dungeon remains uncompleted. So again: removing the tank didn't really make much difference in that circumstance. So instead of kicking the tank and waiting forever to find a good one to replace it with, many players instead decide just to opt out and start their queue over again.

Jeremy

Meld777 wrote: »

Insomnia rex wrote: »

No one on my watch , I always decline because i think it's bad that it's possible in the first place (offline/dced players are a different topic). If you asked 'who leaves most often after initiating an unsuccessful vote kick' that's also another topic.

I do the same. And I always kick people that try to kick low CP without giving them a chance.

I don't like it either when players attempt to kick others based solely on CP without giving them a chance first. But if I voted to kick players every time they did this I would waste a lot of time finding replacements.

Though to be honest many of those players often just leave the group on their own accord anyway after I refuse to vote their way. Especially the tanks, because they know they can get an instant group right after leaving anyway so why should they bother risking a run with low CP characters.

It's one of the reasons I've started running as a tank myself recently. I got tired of dealing with the arrogance of many pug tanks.

Izaki

I don't PUG nowadays ^^ But it would definitely be that "Tank" who has DW and 2H as his weaps and no taunt

Nickernator

Usually the 200CP guy in a group with 400+ CP players.

bebynnag

Nickernator wrote: »

Usually the 200CP guy in a group with 400+ CP players.

i qued on my warden tank yesterday 2 of the members wanted to kick the 4th cause they were (and i quote) a low level noob.
the low level had 450CP...

Recordian

I'll try not to kick anyone, except those who dc and won't come back in 10 minutes or so. If someone is first time in dungeon, I'll try to guide him/her, not yell like a gorilla on roid rage how bad they suck and then kick

zaria

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

GrimClaw wrote: »

Tanks never cared about kicks. It's instant group invite in every MMO. And a tank will die more often due to healers failing to heal properly. But I wouldn't like to play tank. There is a design flaw in every MMO:

1 tank for group content
1-2 tank for raids

How many tanks who did group content, are not required anymore when you start raiding ? Have fun finding a raid group as a tank.Always the best equipped tank will be chosen.

Fake tanks are not tanks, no not bad tanks obvious fakes 18K health and not holding aggro.
Tanks who are just bad are safe.

Healers, tend to queue as healer and was just kicked once, joined trade guild pug for CoS as cp180 or something, asked if normal and got an yes, it was vet, not sure if group knew it was vet
DPS, rarely.

Most kicks tend to be low level players in start of normal dlc dungeons and low cp in veteran.

u do know unless its a vet dlc dungeon every other single vet dungeon doesnt require a tank ... and most of them can be soloed or two manned so yeah when i hear people qq about fake tanks i chuckle and tag you on my ltp ignore list

With you and your friends sure, with an pug have fun.
On the other hand if you are so awesome you could just as well solo the dungeon you will not get kicked

bebynnag

zaria wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

GrimClaw wrote: »

Tanks never cared about kicks. It's instant group invite in every MMO. And a tank will die more often due to healers failing to heal properly. But I wouldn't like to play tank. There is a design flaw in every MMO:

1 tank for group content
1-2 tank for raids

How many tanks who did group content, are not required anymore when you start raiding ? Have fun finding a raid group as a tank.Always the best equipped tank will be chosen.

Fake tanks are not tanks, no not bad tanks obvious fakes 18K health and not holding aggro.
Tanks who are just bad are safe.

Healers, tend to queue as healer and was just kicked once, joined trade guild pug for CoS as cp180 or something, asked if normal and got an yes, it was vet, not sure if group knew it was vet
DPS, rarely.

Most kicks tend to be low level players in start of normal dlc dungeons and low cp in veteran.

u do know unless its a vet dlc dungeon every other single vet dungeon doesnt require a tank ... and most of them can be soloed or two manned so yeah when i hear people qq about fake tanks i chuckle and tag you on my ltp ignore list

With you and your friends sure, with an pug have fun.
On the other hand if you are so awesome you could just as well solo the dungeon you will not get kicked

i do solo all the dungeons on normal.... when it comes to one where you need a group i pug cause i really need those skill points/undaunted keys

Insomnia rex

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Insomnia rex wrote: »

No one on my watch , I always decline because i think it's bad that it's possible in the first place (offline/dced players are a different topic). If you asked 'who leaves most often after initiating an unsuccessful vote kick' that's also another topic.

There is such a thing as too kind. If your DPS cant cut it, if your tank isn't taunting, if the healer isn't healing, they go. And holding it back isn't just wasting your time, it's wasting the two other peoples there.

I -hate- people like you. Even when the dude is like several levels below requirement you'll still hold them in.

I have been playing for 2 years now and i do several dungeon runs per day, mostly with randoms. That said, I have not once not been successful explaining mechanics and getting people (that were voted for) to contribute in a meaningful way. That sometimes means taking a lot more time for a dungeon. Sometimes that means inviting folks to my guild ts/ discord. Sometimes that means soloing the boss that the other dd who does not want to leave refuses to fight because his vote kick failed. I do a lot of things but i don't waste time except my own. The thing is that with very few exceptions 4 man content is not going to fail because of one or even two uneducated players, given that you can solo/ duo most vet content. It has also lead to the most fun & challenging experiences and best friends i found in ESO. I guess for me the interaction is the main draw to the dungeon finder.

If you leave if you think you are wasting your time, i don't mind, thats your right and decision. Also the tank/ dd/ heal roles are unnecessarily strict for 4 man content, in guild i prefer much more what you might call 4dd runs.

We keep a similar attitude with vet trials. The most important thing is to find somebody who wants to do this and who wants to learn. Then we educate till it works. Newbies are usually the most motivated players you can find. (Even if that means not finishing a trial for a few runs.)

The Uninvited

Cillion3117 wrote: »

Anyone that's being an #$$.

This. I don't care if you are bad or a new player, but if you're an #$$ it's over.

Lieblingsjunge

Standing in stupid DPS deserves to be kicked.
Stupid DPS deserves to be kicked. No - you do not deal damage as a 2h - bow templar using light attacks with the occasional Dark Flare. Stop it.

Stupid people that queues up as healer or tank - just because "I'm experienced, I can do all 3 at once )))))))" then turns out they cant do any role properly.

If you queue up as healer without the intention to heal, you're stupid. I don't like you.

kiLLahweSPe

No one in my groups. I play DD and don't pug. Easy as that.