Who gets kicked from dungeons most often?

Tasear

Just curious if one roles ends up kicked more often than another.

AzraelKrieg

The person not performing their role properly or at all.

Insomnia rex

No one on my watch , I always decline because i think it's bad that it's possible in the first place (offline/dced players are a different topic). If you asked 'who leaves most often after initiating an unsuccessful vote kick' that's also another topic.

Shardan4968

Players who choose all three roles in DF.

DRXHarbinger

DW Stamplar healers.

Invoky

I only kick AFK players.

Arbit

Low cp players in dlc veteran dungeons who are in the dungeon for the first time. Other than that i would normally leave a group before kicking.

Feanor

Noobs who don't know what they do, don't listen to advice, but expect to get carried through.

essi2

"Tank"

ValkynSketha

*******

Belyar

I got kicked by champ 100 players in a normal dungeon not too recently, as soon as we spawned inside the dungeon. I was playing a lvl 15 healer. What's funny is that I'm above champ 400 and they said srry no noobs in dungeons.

Swifigames

I'm new, though I'll guess it's a toss up between low DPS and AFK's

Tasear

essi2 wrote: »

"Tank"

Waiting for that vote than . Starting to believe we hardly kick tanks even the especially questionable ones. Than again maybe it's hard be a bad tank?

Rozenwyn

I usually don't kick people at all. However, when queuing for a random dungeon and I get paired with a "tank" in one of the DLC dungeons, I'm not wasting MY time because of their impatience and queuing up as something they are not. I will either leave or try my luck kicking them and hoping the finder locates a real tank. The DLC dungeons generally need a proper tank.

Marabornwingrion

RPers

Blacksmoke

Generally DPS that barely do damage and run around in heavy two handed set ups

essi2

@Tasear The only way to play a bad Tank is by acquiescing to the people who cry about how low your DPS is, or simply not playing your role at all.

F.ex. Not having a taunt.

CoyoteNZ

The healer, because the group don't want a specialist healer, they want somebody to help in the fight, but blame for not healing if they wipe.

Betsararie

Interesting.

I am a big advocate of kicking, and a lot of the time will be the first to propose kicking someone because they just aren't working out. It could be because of their build, skill level, or maybe both.

As to which is kicked the most is honestly an interesting question. Tank is a pivotal role. If your tank is dying your group is liable to wipe and the fight falls apart. The tank CANNOT die. Above anything else. That is its primary job.

You'll never see me kick a healer, ever. So that one is out. Reason being I choose to not play relying on the healer, I feel that if I die or am compromised, it is my fault and thus it is my job to get myself out of the problem. I don't want to have to rely on someone else in order to fulfill my role in a vet dungeon.

It would boil down to this

I will be in favor of kicking a dps OR a tank as soon as they have proven that they cannot fulfill their role.

But- not only are there more DPSs (2), there are also more bad DPSs than tanks.

Therefore, my answer would have to be DPS. Definitely kicked more of those guys. Please, kindly get your DPS up, or go back to normal, or solo questing.

essi2

@Astrid_V I don't think I've ever met an RPer in a Dungeon.

GrimClaw

Tanks never cared about kicks. It's instant group invite in every MMO. And a tank will die more often due to healers failing to heal properly. But I wouldn't like to play tank. There is a design flaw in every MMO:

1 tank for group content
1-2 tank for raids

How many tanks who did group content, are not required anymore when you start raiding ? Have fun finding a raid group as a tank.Always the best equipped tank will be chosen.

UncleRiot

Tank dies, if healers mana gets consumed by not properly acting DDs (like permanently staying in aoe fields) and if tank has
no "survival"-skills. It's not to blame a tank, dd or a healer.

Most people I met, that complain against others don't do their "job" right ... but it's easier to
complain against others than to touch one's own nose.

The majority of "rude" players I met, where low skilled.
The majority of exquisite players I met/I play with, are good mooded or just advicing proper to newbies.

So I say: Every class get's kicked equal in my eyes.

Bluepitbull13

DPS that set their role as Tanks.

abigfishy

Astrid_V wrote: »

RPers

Boo! If they know the fights, perform their roles well and spend 30 seconds after each fight emoting they can join my group any day.

ofSunhold

I don't kick, I bail.

AdicusDio

Very rare. Usually someone in vet not doing what they are supposed (or worst, 1st time in that dungeon which happens to be vet RoM or similar) to be doing. I never initiate a kick though. If a low cp tank is in there not even trying to hold agro and instead trying to dps, etc. someone almost always initiates a vote. Usually healers and dps are left are alone.

On extremely rare occassions, I've seen something like 700 cp players grouped together already (possibly a bot train got them there) and they didn't even know they were supposed to go to the daedric pedestals in Wayrest Sewers II when you get pinned.... causing 5 wipes.....

Jeremy

Tasear wrote: »

essi2 wrote: »

"Tank"

Waiting for that vote than . Starting to believe we hardly kick tanks even the especially questionable ones. Than again maybe it's hard be a bad tank?

Tanks take the longest to replace. So even if you have a horrible tank (one wielding a lightning staff-with no taunts) removing the player will likely just result in a 3 person party for the foreseeable future.

In other words: it doesn't do the group much good to kick a bad tank.

That's probably the real reason tanks are so rarely kicked. I wouldn't say it's because they are an especially easy role to play.

DPS on the other hand are a dime a dozen and can be replaced near instantly.

Merlin13KAGL

First timers expecting to hard mode without any kind of voice comms*.

*That means a pair of headphones with which to listen. No mic required. If your build is reasonable and you can follow instructions, most don't have issue walking anyone through the mechanics of something.

Don't expect to show up, know nothing, be completely unable to follow group cues (because you can't hear them) and expect to stick around. It's no one's job to chat the entire mechanic and there is no time to chat dire conveyance in the middle of everything else.

Discord works from a webpage. TS is pretty standard fare if you intend to do anything above a normal.

Jeremy wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

essi2 wrote: »

"Tank"

Waiting for that vote than . Starting to believe we hardly kick tanks even the especially questionable ones. Than again maybe it's hard be a bad tank?

Tanks take the longest to replace. So even if you have a horrible tank (one wielding a lightning staff-with no taunts) removing the player will likely just result in a 3 person party for the foreseeable future.

In other words: it doesn't do the group much good to kick a bad tank.

That's probably the real reason tanks are so rarely kicked. I wouldn't say it's because they are an especially easy role to play.

DPS on the other hand are a dime a dozen and can be replaced near instantly.

This I disagree on. A bad tank/heals is almost often worse than no tank/heals.

zaria

GrimClaw wrote: »

Tanks never cared about kicks. It's instant group invite in every MMO. And a tank will die more often due to healers failing to heal properly. But I wouldn't like to play tank. There is a design flaw in every MMO:

1 tank for group content
1-2 tank for raids

How many tanks who did group content, are not required anymore when you start raiding ? Have fun finding a raid group as a tank.Always the best equipped tank will be chosen.

Fake tanks are not tanks, no not bad tanks obvious fakes 18K health and not holding aggro.
Tanks who are just bad are safe.

Healers, tend to queue as healer and was just kicked once, joined trade guild pug for CoS as cp180 or something, asked if normal and got an yes, it was vet, not sure if group knew it was vet
DPS, rarely.

Most kicks tend to be low level players in start of normal dlc dungeons and low cp in veteran.

Vaoh

Ice Staff user

Jeremy

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

First timers expecting to hard mode without any kind of voice comms*.

*That means a pair of headphones with which to listen. No mic required. If your build is reasonable and you can follow instructions, most don't have issue walking anyone through the mechanics of something.

Don't expect to show up, know nothing, be completely unable to follow group cues (because you can't hear them) and expect to stick around. It's no one's job to chat the entire mechanic and there is no time to chat dire conveyance in the middle of everything else.

Discord works from a webpage. TS is pretty standard fare if you intend to do anything above a normal.

Jeremy wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

essi2 wrote: »

"Tank"

Waiting for that vote than . Starting to believe we hardly kick tanks even the especially questionable ones. Than again maybe it's hard be a bad tank?

Tanks take the longest to replace. So even if you have a horrible tank (one wielding a lightning staff-with no taunts) removing the player will likely just result in a 3 person party for the foreseeable future.

In other words: it doesn't do the group much good to kick a bad tank.

That's probably the real reason tanks are so rarely kicked. I wouldn't say it's because they are an especially easy role to play.

DPS on the other hand are a dime a dozen and can be replaced near instantly.

This I disagree on. A bad tank/heals is almost worse than no tank/heals.

You say you disagree with me. But then you actually go on to agree with me when you say almost worse than no tank.

When there is little hope of replacement kicking a bad tank doesn't do the group any good. It's usually faster just to start the queue over.