NBs and tel var farming

Sigtric

Soooooo which is it?

Karmanorway wrote: »

the NB wasnt ganked by my guild. We are discussing whether or not if we are going to have hireable assassins in the guild for this purpose

or

Karmanorway wrote: »

I got so pissed i got some guild members to spam kill him everytime they encountered him in IC, and now the count is they killed him 62 times the last 2 days.

Karmanorway

Sigtric wrote: »

Soooooo which is it?

Karmanorway wrote: »

the NB wasnt ganked by my guild. We are discussing whether or not if we are going to have hireable assassins in the guild for this purpose

or

Karmanorway wrote: »

I got so pissed i got some guild members to spam kill him everytime they encountered him in IC, and now the count is they killed him 62 times the last 2 days.

First

generalmyrick

Karmanorway wrote: »

So here the other day after a long day of work, i decided to go tel var farming in IC sewers. So i when i got there doing my route i noticed it was only chests with simple lock all the time (alert!) So i keep running and i dont see anyone else there so i decided ignoring it and continue farming.

After a few hours of farming (still only simple chests around) i fall down to 25% hp on the next mob group and bam! A bannana NB stricking from behind and im down, lost 12k tel vars

I got so pissed i got some guild members to spam kill him everytime they encountered him in IC, and now the count is they killed him 62 times the last 2 days.

Is this overreacting or would you do the same? Anyone else had experience with these annoying NBs in the sewers?

I know people don't like this but i am COMPLETELY in favor of this.

reasons = someone could say, "well, you'll learn to bank your stones!" to this i say = "well, maybe the nb will learn to not gank!" the nb has a right to gank, @Karmanorway has a right to farm tel var, and guilds are a part of the game! = if its part of the game to work within your guild so be it! shooot...put a 10k bounty on the nb's head and pay out everyone that sends you the screeny!

why are we always defending the jackass that hides in the dark and shame the person that uses their resources to retaliate WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE GAME!

good on you!

generalmyrick

Sigtric wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.

It's a PVP zone and his guild is participating in valid PVP.

Once. A few times. Sure.
The way the OP is worded and 62 times would almost certainly be considered griefing if that person were to report it.

COMPLAINT

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"i ganked someone and now i've died in the sewers 62 times in the past 2 days! please help me i'm entitled to gank but not get killed!!!!"

hahaahahahahaahahahahaahaa

Ghost-Shot

If you are that salty about a death PvP is not for you, go back to PvE land.

Sigtric

generalmyrick wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.

It's a PVP zone and his guild is participating in valid PVP.

Once. A few times. Sure.
The way the OP is worded and 62 times would almost certainly be considered griefing if that person were to report it.

COMPLAINT

---

"i ganked someone and now i've died in the sewers 62 times in the past 2 days! please help me i'm entitled to gank but not get killed!!!!"

hahaahahahahaahahahahaahaa

Yeah, sounds funny right.

Trouble is, that rule is in place, and I know people have gotten smacked for it in Cyrodiil before.

But since the OP changed their story, 62 spam kills didn't actually happen. I am guessing the truth might actually be that NB started making off with OP's Goon Squad's Telvar too so they gave up.

max_only

Anti nightblade sentiment is real. The salt fuels me.




To be clear, I have never ganked, I rarely even pvp, and my nightblade is a tank. but man this community has really Villainized one class to an extreme extent. I think maybe Zos needs to work on nightblades being able to survive in a fight so that many of them don't have to resort to surprise attacks in order to get any kills at all.

Sigtric

max_only wrote: »

Anti nightblade sentiment is real. The salt fuels me.




To be clear, I have never ganked, I rarely even pvp, and my nightblade is a tank. but man this community has really Villainized one class to an extreme extent. I think maybe Zos needs to work on nightblades being able to survive in a fight so that many of them don't have to resort to surprise attacks in order to get any kills at all.

Stealth gank play has been available in many mmo's over the years, and will likely continue to be. It's a valid way to play. An assassin. Those who get pissy over it just can't figure out how to deal with it. That's their problem, not the nightblade's.

Karmanorway

Sigtric wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.

It's a PVP zone and his guild is participating in valid PVP.

Once. A few times. Sure.
The way the OP is worded and 62 times would almost certainly be considered griefing if that person were to report it.

COMPLAINT

---

"i ganked someone and now i've died in the sewers 62 times in the past 2 days! please help me i'm entitled to gank but not get killed!!!!"

hahaahahahahaahahahahaahaa

Yeah, sounds funny right.

Trouble is, that rule is in place, and I know people have gotten smacked for it in Cyrodiil before.

But since the OP changed their story, 62 spam kills didn't actually happen. I am guessing the truth might actually be that NB started making off with OP's Goon Squad's Telvar too so they gave up.

Nope, they didnt go after him at all, but they would if i didnt post this thread first, i wanted a broader perspective before doing anything rash.

Btw. My guildies arent goons, u dont even know who they are ... and just for calling them that makes u just as bad as the other judgemental haters on this forum.

Sigtric

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.

It's a PVP zone and his guild is participating in valid PVP.

Once. A few times. Sure.
The way the OP is worded and 62 times would almost certainly be considered griefing if that person were to report it.

COMPLAINT

---

"i ganked someone and now i've died in the sewers 62 times in the past 2 days! please help me i'm entitled to gank but not get killed!!!!"

hahaahahahahaahahahahaahaa

Yeah, sounds funny right.

Trouble is, that rule is in place, and I know people have gotten smacked for it in Cyrodiil before.

But since the OP changed their story, 62 spam kills didn't actually happen. I am guessing the truth might actually be that NB started making off with OP's Goon Squad's Telvar too so they gave up.

Nope, they didnt go after him at all, but they would if i didnt post this thread first, i wanted a broader perspective before doing anything rash.

Btw. My guildies arent goons, u dont even know who they are ... and just for calling them that makes u just as bad as the other judgemental haters on this forum.

And you're apparently a liar then, considering your original post. So we're all bad eggs. Fine by me.

Karmanorway

Sigtric wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.

It's a PVP zone and his guild is participating in valid PVP.

Once. A few times. Sure.
The way the OP is worded and 62 times would almost certainly be considered griefing if that person were to report it.

COMPLAINT

---

"i ganked someone and now i've died in the sewers 62 times in the past 2 days! please help me i'm entitled to gank but not get killed!!!!"

hahaahahahahaahahahahaahaa

Yeah, sounds funny right.

Trouble is, that rule is in place, and I know people have gotten smacked for it in Cyrodiil before.

But since the OP changed their story, 62 spam kills didn't actually happen. I am guessing the truth might actually be that NB started making off with OP's Goon Squad's Telvar too so they gave up.

Nope, they didnt go after him at all, but they would if i didnt post this thread first, i wanted a broader perspective before doing anything rash.

Btw. My guildies arent goons, u dont even know who they are ... and just for calling them that makes u just as bad as the other judgemental haters on this forum.

And you're apparently a liar then, considering your original post. So we're all bad eggs. Fine by me.

Guilty as charge, its the toxic elderhaterforums , so i dont really feel bad about it.

SFDB

"Latest news: people act like jerks when they can kill each other. This also in: beehives filled with bees. Now here's Ma'iq with the weather."

"Tomorrow, mostly cloudy with a chance of raining clocks."

NordSwordnBoard

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.

It's a PVP zone and his guild is participating in valid PVP.

Once. A few times. Sure.
The way the OP is worded and 62 times would almost certainly be considered griefing if that person were to report it.

COMPLAINT

---

"i ganked someone and now i've died in the sewers 62 times in the past 2 days! please help me i'm entitled to gank but not get killed!!!!"

hahaahahahahaahahahahaahaa

Yeah, sounds funny right.

Trouble is, that rule is in place, and I know people have gotten smacked for it in Cyrodiil before.

But since the OP changed their story, 62 spam kills didn't actually happen. I am guessing the truth might actually be that NB started making off with OP's Goon Squad's Telvar too so they gave up.

Nope, they didnt go after him at all, but they would if i didnt post this thread first, i wanted a broader perspective before doing anything rash.

Btw. My guildies arent goons, u dont even know who they are ... and just for calling them that makes u just as bad as the other judgemental haters on this forum.

And you're apparently a liar then, considering your original post. So we're all bad eggs. Fine by me.

Guilty as charge, its the toxic elderhaterforums , so i dont really feel bad about it.

It only took 6 pages for OP to admit the foundation of this thread is lies and salt, and the justification is somehow the forum itself. That's the kind of accountability I expect from a politician.

Sigtric

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.

It's a PVP zone and his guild is participating in valid PVP.

Once. A few times. Sure.
The way the OP is worded and 62 times would almost certainly be considered griefing if that person were to report it.

COMPLAINT

---

"i ganked someone and now i've died in the sewers 62 times in the past 2 days! please help me i'm entitled to gank but not get killed!!!!"

hahaahahahahaahahahahaahaa

Yeah, sounds funny right.

Trouble is, that rule is in place, and I know people have gotten smacked for it in Cyrodiil before.

But since the OP changed their story, 62 spam kills didn't actually happen. I am guessing the truth might actually be that NB started making off with OP's Goon Squad's Telvar too so they gave up.

Nope, they didnt go after him at all, but they would if i didnt post this thread first, i wanted a broader perspective before doing anything rash.

Btw. My guildies arent goons, u dont even know who they are ... and just for calling them that makes u just as bad as the other judgemental haters on this forum.

And you're apparently a liar then, considering your original post. So we're all bad eggs. Fine by me.

Guilty as charge, its the toxic elderhaterforums , so i dont really feel bad about it.

It only took 6 pages for OP to admit the foundation of this thread is lies and salt, and the justification is somehow the forum itself. That's the kind of accountability I expect from a politician.

Would suspect if any truth has been revealed it's actually the first post.

Karmanorway

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.

It's a PVP zone and his guild is participating in valid PVP.

Once. A few times. Sure.
The way the OP is worded and 62 times would almost certainly be considered griefing if that person were to report it.

COMPLAINT

---

"i ganked someone and now i've died in the sewers 62 times in the past 2 days! please help me i'm entitled to gank but not get killed!!!!"

hahaahahahahaahahahahaahaa

Yeah, sounds funny right.

Trouble is, that rule is in place, and I know people have gotten smacked for it in Cyrodiil before.

But since the OP changed their story, 62 spam kills didn't actually happen. I am guessing the truth might actually be that NB started making off with OP's Goon Squad's Telvar too so they gave up.

Nope, they didnt go after him at all, but they would if i didnt post this thread first, i wanted a broader perspective before doing anything rash.

Btw. My guildies arent goons, u dont even know who they are ... and just for calling them that makes u just as bad as the other judgemental haters on this forum.

And you're apparently a liar then, considering your original post. So we're all bad eggs. Fine by me.

Guilty as charge, its the toxic elderhaterforums , so i dont really feel bad about it.

It only took 6 pages for OP to admit the foundation of this thread is lies and salt, and the justification is somehow the forum itself. That's the kind of accountability I expect from a politician.

Smart comment, nice work. Now keep searching, im sure u will find lots of dirt along the road, go get them likes

Sylosi

Sigtric wrote: »

Stealth gank play has been available in many mmo's over the years, and will likely continue to be. It's a valid way to play. An assassin. Those who get pissy over it just can't figure out how to deal with it. That's their problem, not the nightblade's.

On one hand yes, on the other hand it is not like invisibility is a balanced mechanic, especially in open world(ish) type PvP, it is immensely one sided and puts most of the skill onus on the target rather than the player attacking from stealth, and is basically the ezmode choice, which is why people complain about it.

And that is just the gank aspect, a lot of MMORPGs are so badly designed that if I fail a gank or am outplayed the invisibility gank class often has very high disengage so I don't even get punished for playing badly (same goes for classes that have extreme mobility), and is just one of the examples as to why PvP in MMORPGs, especially of the Cyrodil variety are basically considered a joke in the grand scheme of PvP in video games.

ofSunhold

max_only wrote: »

Anti nightblade sentiment is real. The salt fuels me.

It's the stealth mechanic. It makes people feel helpless to be attacked by an enemy that didn't seem to even be there the previous second, and then there's an added stun that's harder to react to than stuns when you know you're in combat (which are bad enough, one of my least favorite things about combat in ESO is all the immobilizations).

Also, people who have never played an NB often get the idea it's very easy - since all they see is the moment they get put down with no notice and no fight - and so they resent NBs twice.

It's ironic that a community that claims very loudly to value "high risk, high reward" gameplay is so down on NBs in PvP. A skilled ganker is worthy of respect. And the same level of annoyance as anybody else who kills me, of course. Just not more.

/tangent

Subversus

Op is being a bit salty, so he hires other players to basically stalk and grief a guy for pvping. You don't know he was waiting for you, he might've just seen you at that moment and took the shot.

When you're in a pvp zone you will always be under the risk of getting attacked. The situation you described is 100% your fault. You shouldn't let yourself go down to 25% in a pvp area in the first place, unless you knew you could survive a potential attack at that hp level.

Milenials in a nutshell, dude kills you IN A PVP ZONE and you feel like you need to put your lackeys to search the whole map for him and ruin his pvp experience.

And OP, 12k is nothing. I make that in 10 minutes SOLO FARMING district bosses.

There is only one thing I can say to such a thread: GIT GOOD.

ofSunhold

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.

It's a PVP zone and his guild is participating in valid PVP.

Once. A few times. Sure.
The way the OP is worded and 62 times would almost certainly be considered griefing if that person were to report it.

COMPLAINT

---

"i ganked someone and now i've died in the sewers 62 times in the past 2 days! please help me i'm entitled to gank but not get killed!!!!"

hahaahahahahaahahahahaahaa

Yeah, sounds funny right.

Trouble is, that rule is in place, and I know people have gotten smacked for it in Cyrodiil before.

But since the OP changed their story, 62 spam kills didn't actually happen. I am guessing the truth might actually be that NB started making off with OP's Goon Squad's Telvar too so they gave up.

Nope, they didnt go after him at all, but they would if i didnt post this thread first, i wanted a broader perspective before doing anything rash.

Btw. My guildies arent goons, u dont even know who they are ... and just for calling them that makes u just as bad as the other judgemental haters on this forum.

And you're apparently a liar then, considering your original post. So we're all bad eggs. Fine by me.

Guilty as charge, its the toxic elderhaterforums , so i dont really feel bad about it.

sigh

Well, good to know. I appreciate people who post in bad faith being clear about it, so I know to just not bother.

Sigtric

Sylosi wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Stealth gank play has been available in many mmo's over the years, and will likely continue to be. It's a valid way to play. An assassin. Those who get pissy over it just can't figure out how to deal with it. That's their problem, not the nightblade's.

On one hand yes, on the other hand it is not like invisibility is a balanced mechanic, especially in open world(ish) type PvP, it is immensely one sided and puts most of the skill onus of the the target rather than the player attacking from stealth, and is basically the ezmode choice, which is why people complain about it.

And that is just the gank aspect, a lot of MMORPGs are so badly designed that if I fail a gank or am outplayed the invisibility gank class often has very high disengage so I don't even get punished for playing badly (same goes for classes that have extreme mobility), and is just one of the examples as to why PvP in MMORPGs, espectially of the Cyrodil variety are basically considered a joke in the grand scheme of PvP in video games.

Well, I mean anyone who thinks PVP in any given MMO is truly competitive, hasn't played a truly well balanced competitive PVP game. In order for it to be not 'a joke' everyone has to be on even ground and it needs to be decided on skill factor alone. This simply will not happen in any MMO that I know of, having different ability sets and gear set ups to choose from.

In ESO? yep. I agree. Just the fact that in the popular campaign a large part of your characters power can be determined by grinding on zombies... PVP is just for fun.

It's just the nature of the MMO beast.

But at the same time, it's a valid playstyle, and it takes more time and practice than people think. Someone who gets ganked only saw the NB appear, kill them quickly and vanish. They didn't see all the stalking, the positioning, the waiting for the opportune moment. They didn't get to see the 100's of times when the NB started their ganking career fail, and fail, and fail, as they figure it out.

I'm not a *great* ganker on my gankblade build but I can do fairly well now, but when I got started? To this day I probably still have 10 people I completely bounced off of and got destroyed by for every 1 successful gank. It took a lot of training myself to recognize who and when to attack to get to where I can now be somewhat successful hopping into a group of players single out the weak target, send them off for a dirt nap and GTFO before their group can do anything.

But in this specific case it's not even an NB getting the kill. Who cares. Anyone can run in from behind your camera and gank you if you let yourself hit 25% health on trash in IC Sewers.

All of my characters that I take into PVP could have gotten the same kill on the OP in the same situation simply by coming from behind and never even entering stealth, with 1-2 buttons.

Vizier

Wow. What part of PvP did you not understand? What part of "if you die with Tel Var stones you lose half of them" did you not know about when you set out to farm Tel Var?

Your response to the encounter is not flattering...at all...in any way. In fact it borders on griefing, which I'm guessing isn't exactly in accord with game rules of conduct...just sayin.

MrBetadine

The problem about PvP side revealed by this post:

1) mob rule, hive mind, dismissive to other ideas;
2) worship personal ability, ignore group effort;
3) contradict themselves. Often I see people say 'cyrodiil' is a war zone, but they cant face the fact that both sides have a valid strategy to win the war: stealthy ganking vs group gang kill.

Kram8ion

What? It's a lie?
Well now it's double prickery

Strider_Roshin

MrBetadine wrote: »

The problem about PvP side revealed by this post:

1) mob rule, hive mind, dismissive to other ideas;
2) worship personal ability, ignore group effort;
3) contradict themselves. Often I see people say 'cyrodiil' is a war zone, but they cant face the fact that both sides have a valid strategy to win the war: stealthy ganking vs group gang kill.

So apparently we've got some contradicting independent thinking sheeple in here.

kijima

You knew the risk of dying in a PvP zone
You knew the risk of losing Tel Var
You knew the risks and lost...

Someone of good character would have a chuckle to themselves about it, and counted their losses or maybe learn from it. But you? You get so salty about losing your Tel Var. You then have a cry to you guildies and get them on board to hunt this guy down and teach him a lesson. which, you seem to find funny and ironically just. Then you come to the forum and brag about killing him 62 times?

I'm thankful that I don't have people with your set of values in any of the guilds I'm in.

I hope that NB is enjoying the many thousands of Tel Var he stole from your dead corpse.

Karmanorway

kijima wrote: »

You knew the risk of dying in a PvP zone
You knew the risk of losing Tel Var
You knew the risks and lost...

Someone of good character would have a chuckle to themselves about it, and counted their losses or maybe learn from it. But you? You get so salty about losing your Tel Var. You then have a cry to you guildies and get them on board to hunt this guy down and teach him a lesson. which, you seem to find funny and ironically just. Then you come to the forum and brag about killing him 62 times?

I'm thankful that I don't have people with your set of values in any of the guilds I'm in.

I hope that NB is enjoying the many thousands of Tel Var he stole from your dead corpse.

L2read before commenting, or go buff up your self-worth somewhere else.

kijima

Karmanorway wrote: »

L2read before commenting, or go buff up your self-worth somewhere else.

L2notloseTelVAr

MrBetadine

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

MrBetadine wrote: »

The problem about PvP side revealed by this post:

1) mob rule, hive mind, dismissive to other ideas;
2) worship personal ability, ignore group effort;
3) contradict themselves. Often I see people say 'cyrodiil' is a war zone, but they cant face the fact that both sides have a valid strategy to win the war: stealthy ganking vs group gang kill.

So apparently we've got some contradicting independent thinking sheeple in here.

I think you need a comprehension test. What you and most people are doing to the OP in this post is no different from what OP did to the NB. Try harder next time.

max_only

MrBetadine wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

MrBetadine wrote: »

The problem about PvP side revealed by this post:

1) mob rule, hive mind, dismissive to other ideas;
2) worship personal ability, ignore group effort;
3) contradict themselves. Often I see people say 'cyrodiil' is a war zone, but they cant face the fact that both sides have a valid strategy to win the war: stealthy ganking vs group gang kill.

So apparently we've got some contradicting independent thinking sheeple in here.

I think you need a comprehension test. What you and most people are doing to the OP in this post is no different from what OP did to the NB. Try harder next time.

The forums are killing the op 62 times? Is the forum community preventing the op from enjoying paid content? The forum community didn't start the thread, and as far as we know, no one had sent private messages to the Op harassing them. It's not "harassment" and "griefing" if people respond negatively to a Post Author's intention (in this case looking for validation that they were in the right for their overreaction OR looking for recognition and a cookie that they had a change of heart).

If I make a post saying how horrible Khajiit are, and people fill 6 pages disagreeing with me, it's not harassment.

generalmyrick

I just want to point out that if i was the nightblade that was continuously being killed, i would move my hunting grounds. if i was the nightblade and got this much attention i would be like, "im the best!!!" because i got that much attention! im that much of a threat!

unless cheating occurred i don't see a problem with either side...i mean chill out. jeez.

some of the people sound like they are taking this personally.