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NBs and tel var farming
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MrBetadine✭✭✭✭Drakkdjinn wrote: »
stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience.MrBetadine wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »The NB decided to gank OP. And he got his consequences. Dont forget, choice and consequences are the definitive trait of RPGs.
Also, the action of OP also has consequences. We need to accept this.
You need to accept that what the NB did was perfectly fine by way of the specific design of that zone, and what the OP did breaks the code of conduct.
If OP got their revenge and was done with it, fine. No problem. This was not the case.
As I stated above, that particular line of the code of conduct is up for debate, because
the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.[/quote]
It is not up for debate. PvP'ing in a PvP zone is desired behavior. Both sides are free to behave this way. OP's case is a non-issue, its only humorous and harmless b/c he needs a zerg to kill one guy. That NB may be getting zerged down a lot more than usual, but he still wins the e-peen contest b/c it takes an army to deal with him apparently.[/quote]
Glad we can make an agreement. Both sides are the same in terms of code of conduct. A lot of people just think calling a zerg from guild is not in-game behavior.Edited by MrBetadine on August 10, 2017 12:16AM2 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.
So, mob rule? Just like you kicking a player out of a dungeon because he has no CP? American democracy?
Alright we're done here. I'm more inclined to believe you're just trolling now, because nobody is this thick.
No, i just like expressing my opinion and prove its correctness.
Funny thing about opinions: there is no correct one."We're all born under the same sky and on the same earth. Therefore, we all deserve the same amount of respect."
Tryxus of the Undying Song - Warden - PC/EU5 -
MrBetadine✭✭✭✭MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.
So, mob rule? Just like you kicking a player out of a dungeon because he has no CP? American democracy?
Alright we're done here. I'm more inclined to believe you're just trolling now, because nobody is this thick.
No, i just like expressing my opinion and prove its correctness.
Funny thing about opinions: there is no correct one.
Gladly you said that , because apparently a lot of people want to crucify OP in this post because they think they are correct.5 -
Drakkdjinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Karmanorway wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »
He's not wrong. I usually only get hate tells after I've won 20k+ from scrubs.
In my spot getting 20k+ tel vars takes almost 2 hours, if starting with 0
Nobody's fault but yours that you can't collect tel var efficiently. Use your guild to put together a solid IC group instead of griefing one dude who's better than you.4 -
Animal_Mother✭✭✭✭As a stamblade I say kill the prick!
Kill! Kill! Kill!
Which one?Edited by Animal_Mother on August 10, 2017 12:21AM2 -
MrBetadine✭✭✭✭Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »
He's not wrong. I usually only get hate tells after I've won 20k+ from scrubs.
In my spot getting 20k+ tel vars takes almost 2 hours, if starting with 0
Nobody's fault but yours that you can't collect tel var efficiently. Use your guild to put together a solid IC group instead of griefing one dude who's better than you.
It's not about who's better. It's about having fun in the game. Not everything should be competition in game you know. The life is far more competitive than a game.1 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MrBetadine wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.
So, mob rule? Just like you kicking a player out of a dungeon because he has no CP? American democracy?
Alright we're done here. I'm more inclined to believe you're just trolling now, because nobody is this thick.
No, i just like expressing my opinion and prove its correctness.
Funny thing about opinions: there is no correct one.
Gladly you said that , because apparently a lot of people want to crucify OP in this post because they think they are correct.
Well everyone has their opinion, but those are never correct. Rather, they're only accepted by a certain number of people. And right now, the majority does seem to think he should be"We're all born under the same sky and on the same earth. Therefore, we all deserve the same amount of respect."
Tryxus of the Undying Song - Warden - PC/EU2 -
Drakkdjinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭MrBetadine wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »
He's not wrong. I usually only get hate tells after I've won 20k+ from scrubs.
In my spot getting 20k+ tel vars takes almost 2 hours, if starting with 0
Nobody's fault but yours that you can't collect tel var efficiently. Use your guild to put together a solid IC group instead of griefing one dude who's better than you.
It's not about who's better. It's about having fun in the game. Not everything should be competition in game you know. The life is far more competitive than a game.
If you're not interested in competing with others in ESO, don't PvP -- it's kinda the whole point.
Based on this thread, you should probably gather Tel Var items via the same method all the other overly sensitive PvE'ers do: by sitting on the sidelines in Rawl'ka and waiting for other players with the proper wherewithal to manage IC to put up items in guild vendors for you to buy with gold. Sounds like more your speed.3 -
Riptide✭✭✭✭✭
✭I feel badly mostly for the guild. Girl goes to the sewers, gets killed, is angry because she lost all that time.
Riles all the fellas in her guild up to get torches and pitchforks out, they spend hours over days - probably losing as many stones to the hunter and dying at least as much as they reported to her or each other.
Their hours of time add up to far more than hers, but isn't factored in.
Maybe I have the gender stuff wrong in this instance (I hate being patriarchal) - but I bet thats it judging by the OP's sig. They came to protect their lady.
And now those guys will get eaten one by one, for a while, as long as they are down there - and not say anything to her or each other because they are embarassed.
If I were guild leader, and it was as I suspect? Be no repeats of it. The ethics/uncool/personal stuff of the situation one thing, the guild practicality and the health of the main body another.
Esse quam videri.4 -
MrBetadine✭✭✭✭MrBetadine wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.
So, mob rule? Just like you kicking a player out of a dungeon because he has no CP? American democracy?
Alright we're done here. I'm more inclined to believe you're just trolling now, because nobody is this thick.
No, i just like expressing my opinion and prove its correctness.
Funny thing about opinions: there is no correct one.
Gladly you said that , because apparently a lot of people want to crucify OP in this post because they think they are correct.
Well everyone has their opinion, but those are never correct. Rather, they're only accepted by a certain number of people. And right now, the majority does seem to think he should be
Here we are again. Mob rule? Just like you kicking a player out of a dungeon because he has no CP?
In the end, it's just about population domination, not about who has more reason?1 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Animal_Mother wrote: »As a stamblade I say kill the prick!
Kill! Kill! Kill!
Which one?
Yes.3 -
MrBetadine✭✭✭✭Drakkdjinn wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »
He's not wrong. I usually only get hate tells after I've won 20k+ from scrubs.
In my spot getting 20k+ tel vars takes almost 2 hours, if starting with 0
Nobody's fault but yours that you can't collect tel var efficiently. Use your guild to put together a solid IC group instead of griefing one dude who's better than you.
It's not about who's better. It's about having fun in the game. Not everything should be competition in game you know. The life is far more competitive than a game.
If you're not interested in competing with others in ESO, don't PvP -- it's kinda the whole point.
Based on this thread, you should probably gather Tel Var items via the same method all the other overly sensitive PvE'ers do: by sitting on the sidelines in Rawl'ka and waiting for other players with the proper wherewithal to manage IC to put up items in guild vendors for you to buy with gold. Sounds like more your speed.
By your logic, if you are not interested in competing with others in ESO, don't run trials -- it's kinda the whole point.1 -
Drakkdjinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Animal_Mother wrote: »As a stamblade I say kill the prick!
Kill! Kill! Kill!
Which one?
Yes.
Very Yes.1 -
Drakkdjinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭MrBetadine wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »
He's not wrong. I usually only get hate tells after I've won 20k+ from scrubs.
In my spot getting 20k+ tel vars takes almost 2 hours, if starting with 0
Nobody's fault but yours that you can't collect tel var efficiently. Use your guild to put together a solid IC group instead of griefing one dude who's better than you.
It's not about who's better. It's about having fun in the game. Not everything should be competition in game you know. The life is far more competitive than a game.
If you're not interested in competing with others in ESO, don't PvP -- it's kinda the whole point.
Based on this thread, you should probably gather Tel Var items via the same method all the other overly sensitive PvE'ers do: by sitting on the sidelines in Rawl'ka and waiting for other players with the proper wherewithal to manage IC to put up items in guild vendors for you to buy with gold. Sounds like more your speed.
By your logic, if you are not interested in competing with others in ESO, don't run trials -- it's kinda the whole point.
Oh my mistake, I didn't realize Trial Bosses were actually human players.
/sarcasmEdited by Drakkdjinn on August 10, 2017 12:37AM1 -
Kram8ion✭✭✭✭✭So you get your guild mates to do what I'd call awful harassment because you died and lost a lot of stones through lack of banking
Classy
Aussie lag is real!8 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MrBetadine wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »the NB caused discomfort and disrupted the OP's experience by one of the 'any other undesired behavior'.
The code of conduct is drawn up with people of reasonable expectations in mind. People who don't take every little thing that happens to them personally. This is why we're trying to explain it to you. Those people are the average, the majority.
So, mob rule? Just like you kicking a player out of a dungeon because he has no CP? American democracy?
Alright we're done here. I'm more inclined to believe you're just trolling now, because nobody is this thick.
No, i just like expressing my opinion and prove its correctness.
Funny thing about opinions: there is no correct one.
Gladly you said that , because apparently a lot of people want to crucify OP in this post because they think they are correct.
Well everyone has their opinion, but those are never correct. Rather, they're only accepted by a certain number of people. And right now, the majority does seem to think he should be
Here we are again. Mob rule? Just like you kicking a player out of a dungeon because he has no CP?
In the end, it's just about population domination, not about who has more reason?
Well, I never kick someone for that for starters. But mob rule is the way things go, and in this case you have the people that condone the OP's actions on one hand, and the others that think he's out of line for calling in an entire guild to hunt down a player.
Go over the facts presented here, present your opinion and see what happens.
Personally, I think the OP is completely in the wrong here and overreacted to being ganked. He's had plenty of chances to bank his TV, he could've bought a sigil at his base before setting out for instance, and he decided to blacklist this NB in his guild. Definitely out of line imo"We're all born under the same sky and on the same earth. Therefore, we all deserve the same amount of respect."
Tryxus of the Undying Song - Warden - PC/EU4 -
MrBetadine✭✭✭✭Drakkdjinn wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »MrBetadine wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »
He's not wrong. I usually only get hate tells after I've won 20k+ from scrubs.
In my spot getting 20k+ tel vars takes almost 2 hours, if starting with 0
Nobody's fault but yours that you can't collect tel var efficiently. Use your guild to put together a solid IC group instead of griefing one dude who's better than you.
It's not about who's better. It's about having fun in the game. Not everything should be competition in game you know. The life is far more competitive than a game.
If you're not interested in competing with others in ESO, don't PvP -- it's kinda the whole point.
Based on this thread, you should probably gather Tel Var items via the same method all the other overly sensitive PvE'ers do: by sitting on the sidelines in Rawl'ka and waiting for other players with the proper wherewithal to manage IC to put up items in guild vendors for you to buy with gold. Sounds like more your speed.
By your logic, if you are not interested in competing with others in ESO, don't run trials -- it's kinda the whole point.
Oh my mistake, I didn't realize Trial Bosses were actually human players.
/sarcasm
I'm talking about leaderboards. It's the only type of competition that's visible.1 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thank you so much for your opinion guys, we have reconsidered everything read in this discussion, and have come to a conclusion that this method wont be a part of our guild in the future. :-) PS. No one was harassed*2 -
olivesforge✭✭✭✭
If only we could put bounties on players in cydrolli. Would be a great gold sink 
This is a glorious and horrible idea. Just in Vivec alone, AD would put so large a bounty on one of its own players that blue and red could buy mansions for everybody.
They should totally do it.
As far as the actual discussions - this is one of those cases where everyone is correct. Is ganking part of the game and legit play? Of course. Is farming with a zerg? Of course.
Ganking and zerging both cause rage, and both in some instances could easily be abused.
As far as revenge as a motivation is concerned - I didn't spend half of last night in Farragut because I like the scenery.PCNA | Aldmeri Dominion
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RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dont farm with squishy builds and use Imp Phys set . I always farm on my tanks in early mornings around 150k telvars per hour .
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brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Karmanorway wrote: »Thank you so much for your opinion guys, we have reconsidered everything read in this discussion, and have come to a conclusion that this method wont be a part of our guild in the future. :-) PS. No one was harassed*
Well that's just swell! You've gone from just plain old ashholes, to diplomatic ashholes.3 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭brandonv516 wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »Thank you so much for your opinion guys, we have reconsidered everything read in this discussion, and have come to a conclusion that this method wont be a part of our guild in the future. :-) PS. No one was harassed*
Well that's just swell! You've gone from just plain old ashholes, to diplomatic ashholes.
Language pls.4 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Karmanorway wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »Thank you so much for your opinion guys, we have reconsidered everything read in this discussion, and have come to a conclusion that this method wont be a part of our guild in the future. :-) PS. No one was harassed*
Well that's just swell! You've gone from just plain old ashholes, to diplomatic ashholes.
Language pls.
Are you going to kill me 62 times too?4 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭brandonv516 wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »Thank you so much for your opinion guys, we have reconsidered everything read in this discussion, and have come to a conclusion that this method wont be a part of our guild in the future. :-) PS. No one was harassed*
Well that's just swell! You've gone from just plain old ashholes, to diplomatic ashholes.
Language pls.
Are you going to kill me 62 times too?
No one died 62 times, and no. Stop acting like a child and behave like an adult when writing, this forum is toxic enough as it is as my thread has shown3 -
Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭Karmanorway wrote: »It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.
Indeed, but for me its torment grinding for hours after a hard day of work, and lose half of it by someone waiting around for me to get properly filled with tel vars. He didnt even dare attack me before i was distracted and down to 25% hp and my guild was pvping too
he didnt dare? you were building up the supplies he was going to steal from you and he took the opportunity you gave him. dare? smart i say. good on them.
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✭Karmanorway wrote: »So here the other day after a long day of work, i decided to go tel var farming in IC sewers. So i when i got there doing my route i noticed it was only chests with simple lock all the time (alert!) So i keep running and i dont see anyone else there so i decided ignoring it and continue farming.
After a few hours of farming (still only simple chests around) i fall down to 25% hp on the next mob group and bam! A bannana NB stricking from behind and im down, lost 12k tel vars
I got so pissed i got some guild members to spam kill him everytime they encountered him in IC, and now the count is they killed him 62 times the last 2 days.
Is this overreacting or would you do the same? Anyone else had experience with these annoying NBs in the sewers? If only we could put bounties on players in cydrolli. Would be a great gold sink
thats a brilliant idea, but i think it should be a limited time thing and ONLY if you get killed by that player. so you cant just put random bounties out on people. 3 days for instance on the person who killed you. or players. but of course the bounty comes from your bank account.0 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭Karmanorway wrote: »It's a PVP zone and your guild is tormenting someone for them participating in valid PVP. Sweet.
Indeed, but for me its torment grinding for hours after a hard day of work, and lose half of it by someone waiting around for me to get properly filled with tel vars. He didnt even dare attack me before i was distracted and down to 25% hp and my guild was pvping too
he didnt dare? you were building up the supplies he was going to steal from you and he took the opportunity you gave him. dare? smart i say. good on them.
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Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭I say if someone is hiding in the shadows ... laying in wait ... ready to pounce upon/insta-kill whomever they deem to be weak / defenseless ... well I say:
KARMA
Evidently, that person in the sewers had a huge accumulation of bad karma. When you put out negativity in the world, you will attract negative things ... KARMA.
Yes, this is just a game ... however ... there are real people behind those toons, real people governing the actions of their toons, and those real people have real feelings. Cowards enjoy harming the weak and defenseless, it makes them feel good, it gives them a false sense of 'empowerment' ... however, all they are really doing is building up a lot of bad karma for themselves.
And, why in the heck was that ganker still lurking in the sewers for the 'next two days' ... I mean think about it ... he/she continued to go back time and time again despite the number of times karma was there to kick him in the ass. What the coward should have done was apologize to their victim ... an apology probably would have ended it right then and there, not to mention clearing up some of that negative karma he/she had accumulated.
I'm not saying what OP did was right, personally I don't think that is the way I would have responded. But, what I am saying is that if you 'fight' like a coward by preying on the weak / defenseless, you gotta know all that bad karma is going to come back to bite you in the ass ... sooner or later.
Edit: My opinion was about ganking in the sewers. I know it's still part of the pvp zone technically speaking, but of all the pvp areas, the sewers are the least pvp'ish. The districts have flags that can be taken by factions, and Cyro, well it's Cyro ... it's the most war-like pvp zone we have. While I don't like gankers, I don't necessarily frown upon that play style in Cyro, or in the Districts.Edited by Maryal on August 10, 2017 1:30PM5 -
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✭Salty is as Salty does.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...
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