Will ESO "die" when Elder Scrolls 6 will come out?

Elsonso

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

TES6 will be its own thing independently. They started working on it a long time ago, don't let Hines fool you. Its just not done yet, and they don't want to announce anything until its close to release. They are changing a lot on their game engine. They are in no rush, they know exactly what they want the game to be. It will come in time.

I do not think so, and I think that events that transpire over the next year will make that abundantly clear. I think that there is an intentional gap between TES 5 and TES 6 of a decade, or more. I think that BGS is currently working on a new game, the details of which we cannot even speculate about. They will not start working on TES 6 until that game is nearing completion.

I think that this was all decided back in the middle 2000's, long before Skyrim shipped. I think the plan is to see TES 6, but not before 2021, a full decade after Skyrim.

Considering most of us wait for ES6 to come out, and that almost everyone played Skyrim before, does the release of ES6 will kill the game in your opinion?

Yes. TES 6 heralds the "death" of ESO.

I think that the expected lifespan of ESO is between 5 and 7 years, after which they will end the active development. The game will live on, even in "death", as long as revenue exceeds expenses, though. It will be minimally supported by Crown Store updates and small dungeon DLC, which will taper off as the game gets closer to the end.

All of this will coincide with two hallmark events: TES 6 and whatever the next ZOS MMO game is going to be. When TES 6 comes out, it will be shiny and new, while ESO will be old and dated. ZOS will already be looking at a new game and will want to be working on that game.

ESO "dies".

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

PS: I fully believe ZOS has been working on Fallout Online since at least late 2015....Bethesda Corporate(Zenimax Media) hired ZOS to be their MMO shop....its make 100% sense to make a Fallout Online considering Bethesda/Zenimax sued and fought Interplay in court to prevent them from making an Fallout MMO...you don't do that unless you have future plans for a Fallout MMO.

Fallout OInline will most likely replace ESO at some point in the future as I don't see them running two MMO's at the same time, and there is far too much money on the table for them not to make a MMO based in the Fallout Universe....i'd totally buy and play Fallout Online when it comes out....about 40 million other folks would too...

I agree that ZOS is already working on a new MMO game. The studio feels larger than what they publish. Whether or not it is Fallout Online, is yet to be determined, but it is certainly a leading contender.

Inhuman003

DC Universe Online is still around think what's going to happen when Justice League come out in November. Just because people ain't streaming the game doesn't mean people are not playing the game. (ESO)

geonsocal

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As i have said before, ESO life will depend solely on the technology route they decide to take.

Windows 7 leaves extended support in Jan of 2020, and much like when Windows Vista support expired, GPU vendors dropped support for DX10. When Windows 7 leaves extended support, vendors (AMD and Nvidia) will EOL Direct X 11 as well (Meaning no new driver updates to optimize or fix any issues with DX 11) Microsoft will also stop updating it.

Comapring ESO to WOW is simply unfair because WOW is not on consoles. The majority of ESO playerbase is on consoles, WOW is a PC only game.

Around 2020 or so you will probably see the next gen of consoles and there is zero gurantees they will be backwards compatible....API's change, hardware and software progresses, things are made obsolete and new things take their place. porting is not always so simple.

I'd like to see ESO be ported to DirectX 12 or OpenGL Vulcan as that would pretty much guarantee the game would take very little to port next gen as thats what those consoles will most likely be using...no wya Microsoft leaves even a shred of the DX 11 api on the next gen of consoles...they want to get away from that completely, and Sony has embraced OpenGL Vulcan big time and literlaly wants to build their next console around it.

TES6 will be its own thing independently. They started working on it a long time ago, don't let Hines fool you. Its just not done yet, and they don't want to announce anything until its close to release. They are changing a lot on their game engine. They are in no rush, they know exactly what they want the game to be. It will come in time.

Honestly, I don't think you will see TES6 until the next console gen, I think that has been the plan all along.

So if ESO goes from 2014-2021 thats a pretty good run for a game that was in development from 2007 till 2013.

If you know the history of Bethesda, Pete Hines, etc...nothing lasts forever...at some point they will feel they have hit a wall creatively where they can no longer push and convey the world they want with the engine ESO has, when that day comes, they will move on the next chapter.

ESO won't go one forever like WOW has...thats not Bethesda/Zenimax media MO...pay attention to what Hines says "they go for quality NOT quantity". When they feel ESO is too dated technologically, they will move on to the next project just like the always do.

PS: I fully believe ZOS has been working on Fallout Online since at least late 2015....Bethesda Corporate(Zenimax Media) hired ZOS to be their MMO shop....its make 100% sense to make a Fallout Online considering Bethesda/Zenimax sued and fought Interplay in court to prevent them from making an Fallout MMO...you don't do that unless you have future plans for a Fallout MMO.

Fallout OInline will most likely replace ESO at some point in the future as I don't see them running two MMO's at the same time, and there is far too much money on the table for them not to make a MMO based in the Fallout Universe....i'd totally buy and play Fallout Online when it comes out....about 40 million other folks would too...

it's all coming in focus now...so, fallout online 2018???

MLGProPlayer

TES6 will be a one time adventure that you beat in 50-60 hours and then shelve. Yes, some people will extend the game's shelf life with mods, but those people are a minority.

ESO is constantly being updated. ESO is a social experience as much as a game. People will continue to play it.

There will definitely be a dip in the population once TES6 comes out that will last a month or two, but it won't kill the game.

duagloth

I believe tes 6 will outshine alot of games for a good while,online and offline. Skyrim is still a very popular game

Elsonso

geonsocal wrote: »

it's all coming in focus now...so, fallout online 2018???

Too soon, IMHO. 2019? 2020? I like those dates better. Mainly for awareness that it* is happening, not necessarily release.


* Whatever "it" is.

Bbsample197

The question is: will there be ES6? i mean we still need those Elders Scroll V: skyrim Toaster edition

Axoinus

It would be cool if ES6 let you import your toon from ESO somehow...

ArchMikem

Bud. People can play more than one game at a time.

mb10

Im personally heading straight to TES 6

Playing skyrim again for the 2nd time since it's release atm and it's actually such a good game. So much attention to detail and I can only imagine TES 6 taking it even further.
Imagine if to set after skyrim a whole new chapter of events

wenchmore420b14_ESO

This thread is so funny!! Lol!
I find it amazing how many people can only compare ESO to Skyrim. And IMO, Skyrim wasn't even that great compared to other TES titles, but on to the OP.....
Single player games have a start, middle, and end. A MMO is always going and growing with no "true" end, so yes, if ESO is still around then, about 2021 or so, then it will lose folks for a while till they beat TES VI, and they will be back.
As far as the speculation on "If, When, and What", as others have mentioned, Todd Howard has spoken already about this.
Yes they have a "Idea" for TESVI, but they are going to have to wait till technology catches up to what they want to do.
They have 2 "Big Games" they are working on ahead of TESVI. So, in all reality, we are looking at 2021 and up till TESVI is real.
For the "Show Me" folks, here is the Todd Howard interview clip....Huzzah!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8Q4fdpy7A

Nemesis7884

Mettaricana wrote: »

If es6 is as boring as fallout 4 they'll be back sooner than later...

Fo4 was boring as hell lack of unique enemies items boring craft and settlement thing... if es6 tries anything less than skyrim which i found also lacking in many areas

it felt to streamlined and lacked heart

let's face it, tes 6 will got the same way of simplifying and streamlining the game as all the other series, dragon age, mass effect, fallout etc. etc. have done - because it sells copies to the "average" players... fo4 has sold more than skyrim...so thats that

WuffyCerulei

I'll certainly play it, but it's still a few years off.

Integral1900

Elder scrolls 6 won't be a single player game, give it up, that is never going to happen. Your just dustressing yourself for nothing

It was just a dream, It. Won't. Happen.

Mmo baby, if you can make it work it's always the better long term option

Take fallout 4, good sales at first then a sharp drop off and nuka world was total bust if you didn't want to be an evil murdering sociopath. That was a really dumb desicion. I've worked in games for a long time and I can tell you that for every player that likes to do evil things there are hundreds who want the option to do it but never use it.

Open world games are expensive to build and tend to have short active lifespans, the only things that kept skyrim going was its quality... bugs excepted lol... and mods. Why in gods name would you make another open world that follows the same sales pattern when you have a formula for a popular and in my experience fairly stable mmo? As a business that makes no sense

kichwas

I love the concept of single player games in theory - go through a story, sort of an interactive movie...

But since the 1980s, I have never completed a single player video game. Not even once.

And I'm old enough to remember when 'Pong' was new.

I stopped buying single player games in the 1990s because I would get them, play with utter fascination for about 1 to 3 hours, and then get bored and shelve it...

MUDs, then MMOs, got me.

I'm here for the social, the group play.

I play tanks and healers in MMOs because of this - they're group roles. Ideal for doing things like spamming dungeon PUGs.

ES6? Had no idea it was being made. I've had a 'collection of ES games' CD for more than a decade now - I have no idea what games are on it. They're single player. The CD came with something. This is the first Elder Scrolls game I've played.

I remember getting a game in the late 90s that was an ES game, I got as far as about 5 minutes past install...

I avoided this game for a long time because reviews said it was bad with grouping and had a nearly fatal level of phasing. By the time I looked again, ESO-Morrowind was out.

If ES6 isn't an MMO... I won't bother with it. It might fascinate me when I see trailers for it - but I know myself. Why pay for a game I won't ever play? I'll take the same amount of money that would cost, and drop it on the cash store here.

Magdalina

It's actually an interesting question. It will definitely see a large decrease in players, but there will be 2 options from there. The players that will leave are the single player crowd, hopefully most of the "I must be able to play how I want which includes doing all the group instances solo or/and by rping a drunk naked nord, and may the people who tell me otherwise after I wipe our group 15 times in a row burn" will be included in that category (not saying all of the "single players" belong to that category, far not so. But I get the feeling many do) and the game will either die or have to go a more MMO-y and hopefully more challenging route.

I'd actually love for TES 6 to come out sooner to see how it changes this game's community and direction. Tbh I kind of honestly feel it could well be for the better - assuming ZOS take effort to recover rather than just shut the game down that is.

Swifigames

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

The game will see a drop in users, but they will be back. Single player games are finite. I know for instance I'll still log on when TES 6 is out. I just won't be on as much as I am now.

Maybe for you, but me I just wait for ES6 to come out and then I uninstall ESO. The only reason why Bethesda don't work on ES6 is because they know it will eat ESO

There's no proof that measures Bethesda not working on TES:VI. If we take what Todd Howard said in 2016 confirming that VI isn't even being worked on and that there will be two other projects in the works that will be revealed before we see information on TES:VI, remember that was in 2016 and TES:VI could have hit development the next day, though that is speculation, it's not impossible and would have bought some time.
Considering we didn't see anything other than an under construction section on the Bethesda map at E3 this year concerning Starfield that's not even on the table entirely yet, but we could hear about that in 2018.
I rather respect the fact that Bethesda doesn't wish to pump out TES titles back to back like some game companies do with popular titles. They know how many followers TES has and they certainly don't want to irk any of those fans with repetitive, obnoxiously stale mechanics and sequels...they'll take their time and release when it's right.

I assume there were certain other technical aspects of Starfield they were in the works on recently with the release of PREY as well, and we saw an opportunity with something they learned from Starfield development or they were practicing something within PREY for use in Starfield. The title itself was interesting to say the least and the timing for it was curious.

I do agree that the ESO population will see a dip in users when the next TES title releases. But we have no ETA on a release and hell, we could still be two to four or five years out...it's all speculation.

The release dates for the past three TES titles have been; Morrowind (May 1, 2002), Oblivion (March 20, 2006), Skyrim (November 11, 2011). That puts 4 years between Morrowind and Oblivion and 5 years between Oblivion and Skyrim. It's also not completely unknown to Bethesda to pull a surprise or two out of their hats Seeing this is currently a six year lapse since the release of Skyrim and the fact that Bethesda likes the shock and awe approach, could we see TES:VI this Christmas? It would follow suit with the other titles releasing 4, 5, and then 6 years after the previous title. It wouldn't shock me, but I'm thinking it's going to be a no. Also note, that there's no set month in which the previous titles have been released either. So it could arrive any month in the year in 2017, 2018, or 2019 and beyond.

One thing is for certain...
The Bethesda E3 showing in 2017 got a lot of piffle over their material this year and I really don't understand why. We all know what they are capable of and it should be no shock that they're obviously being quiet about things. I say don't mistake silence for disconnection from fans, but what do I know? I say they're working quietly and hard on things at the moment. It's very possible they'll blow peoples socks off in 2018.
Will I miss TES:VI information in the months and years to come, yes...will I be happy with something like Starfield, highly probably yes. And I'm really loving ESO currently so I'll still get my fantastic TES experience in whenever I feel like it. I can wait patiently for TES:VI, I have plenty of awesome games to satiate my appetite in the meantime.

Also, I can agree with what Youtuber DagoraTV discussed concerning Starfield in one of his videos. We did notice that there were a lot of stars on stage after the Bethesda showing at E3 and then big names start coming out on stage with those stars in the background as if stars themselves were a centerpiece for the show. It is completely plausible that Starfield was going to make an appearance at this years E3 but the process didn't unfold or work out as intended and instead of eating publicity **** for a few years, they decided not to make the showing in the end. It is after all a work in progress.

And even though ESO will see a dip in users upon the eventual release of TES:VI it's an entirely different experience and there are a variety of gamer types so those users will return eventually, maybe some will go hardcore VI while many will stay hardcore ESO MMO. I, personally will probably enjoy both as my mood typically controls what I want to play. I will hopefully still be an ESO+ sub (I'm digging that) whenever the title(s) release and I don't see a problem playing both throughout the week.

Tavore1138

If Zeni/Beth have any sense they would cross promote like crazy - there will be events and DLC in ESO to match up with it, there will be quests and NPCs in ESO that foreshadow the TES6 story and award bonus gear in TES6 and so on and so on.

If they do it right they will ensure every one here buys TES6 and as many TES6 players try ESO to experience the 'backstory that began 1,000 years before'.

Kahina

A lot of players here want single player in a multiplayer setting. They want a busy world, while they go about their thing.

This will not die.

Sindala

I truly believe the days of the AAA RPG are numbered as we know it, we may get one or 2 more but that's it.
Bethesda have already said they will not be looking at releasing any more in this decade (this years E3)

With ESO doing so well it would be counter productive for Bethesda to do an ES7 at this time, now doesn't mean never.
I strongly believe they are going to be increasing on the upcoming Fallout 4 VR.

Think about it, the speed VR is moving any game publisher would be daft to not see that RPG's and VR are the next natural step together.
Why just "play" an RPG when you could "live" in the RPG ?

So yes, there may be an ES7 at some point but i'd be looking at it being about 10 years off and will be full VR.

Huyen

TES6 wont be out for at least a couple more years. In fact they confirmed that they arent even working on the project (assuming there is a project to work on) so speculating is a complete waste of time.

Enslaved

Tbh, not sure if I will ever play TES VI.

STEVIL

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Considering most of us wait for ES6 to come out, and that almost everyone played Skyrim before, does the release of ES6 will kill the game in your opinion?

Impossible?

ESO died like six or seven other games released ago... Then five or so... Then four...

I lost count somewhere along the many xxx gonna kill ESO ago.

So it can't die from ES6 cuz it died all those other predicted times.

Teridaxus

Quiet the opposite, eso killed the still to be born es 6 baby.
Now if its a good or bad thing, i can't decide. It would have taken decades for bethesda to cover whole tamriel.

Apherius

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

PS: I fully believe ZOS has been working on Fallout Online since at least late 2015....Bethesda Corporate(Zenimax Media) hired ZOS to be their MMO shop....its make 100% sense to make a Fallout Online considering Bethesda/Zenimax sued and fought Interplay in court to prevent them from making an Fallout MMO...you don't do that unless you have future plans for a Fallout MMO.

Fallout OInline will most likely replace ESO at some point in the future as I don't see them running two MMO's at the same time, and there is far too much money on the table for them not to make a MMO based in the Fallout Universe....i'd totally buy and play Fallout Online when it comes out....about 40 million other folks would too...

whoa , i think you like fallout.

zaria

coop500 wrote: »

TES6 will need to be pretty amazing IMO. As bad as ESO can be with the problems it has, they better spice up TES6 more than Fallout 4.

Yes after Fallout 4, they should re think a lot of stuff, I saw fallout 3 as the quality in quests there as Morrowind and even Oblvion with its high quality quests was more about quantity, FO:NV and Skyrim reinforced this, Skyrim was an drop down in quality of quests over Oblivion while still decent, while NV took it to new levels.

Then come FO4, yes its was an fun game, some quests was awesome, however the majority was radiant, and the dialogue system was horrible, even with the unofficial full dialogue patch.
They even admired the dialogue system was non optimal, they never said anything of Oblivion level scaling.
Prefer they wait rather than release TES6 on the FO4 foundation.

Vrienda

No. I'll play ES: VI for a month, realise it's dumbed down as hell (It's a foregone conclusion after Fallout 4) and come back here.

And even if it isn't dumbed down I'll still come back because all I'll need is a month to do a single playthrough, then I wait for mods to take off properly.

zaria

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As i have said before, ESO life will depend solely on the technology route they decide to take.

Windows 7 leaves extended support in Jan of 2020, and much like when Windows Vista support expired, GPU vendors dropped support for DX10. When Windows 7 leaves extended support, vendors (AMD and Nvidia) will EOL Direct X 11 as well (Meaning no new driver updates to optimize or fix any issues with DX 11) Microsoft will also stop updating it.

Comapring ESO to WOW is simply unfair because WOW is not on consoles. The majority of ESO playerbase is on consoles, WOW is a PC only game.

Around 2020 or so you will probably see the next gen of consoles and there is zero gurantees they will be backwards compatible....API's change, hardware and software progresses, things are made obsolete and new things take their place. porting is not always so simple.

I'd like to see ESO be ported to DirectX 12 or OpenGL Vulcan as that would pretty much guarantee the game would take very little to port next gen as thats what those consoles will most likely be using...no wya Microsoft leaves even a shred of the DX 11 api on the next gen of consoles...they want to get away from that completely, and Sony has embraced OpenGL Vulcan big time and literlaly wants to build their next console around it.

TES6 will be its own thing independently. They started working on it a long time ago, don't let Hines fool you. Its just not done yet, and they don't want to announce anything until its close to release. They are changing a lot on their game engine. They are in no rush, they know exactly what they want the game to be. It will come in time.

Honestly, I don't think you will see TES6 until the next console gen, I think that has been the plan all along.

So if ESO goes from 2014-2021 thats a pretty good run for a game that was in development from 2007 till 2013.

If you know the history of Bethesda, Pete Hines, etc...nothing lasts forever...at some point they will feel they have hit a wall creatively where they can no longer push and convey the world they want with the engine ESO has, when that day comes, they will move on the next chapter.

ESO won't go one forever like WOW has...thats not Bethesda/Zenimax media MO...pay attention to what Hines says "they go for quality NOT quantity". When they feel ESO is too dated technologically, they will move on to the next project just like the always do.

PS: I fully believe ZOS has been working on Fallout Online since at least late 2015....Bethesda Corporate(Zenimax Media) hired ZOS to be their MMO shop....its make 100% sense to make a Fallout Online considering Bethesda/Zenimax sued and fought Interplay in court to prevent them from making an Fallout MMO...you don't do that unless you have future plans for a Fallout MMO.

Fallout OInline will most likely replace ESO at some point in the future as I don't see them running two MMO's at the same time, and there is far too much money on the table for them not to make a MMO based in the Fallout Universe....i'd totally buy and play Fallout Online when it comes out....about 40 million other folks would too...

First, its very unlikely next gen consoles will not be backward compatible, or they will be backward compatible the PC way.
Old games will work on PS5 and Xbox Two, some graphic intensive PS5 games will be PS5 only, but Two games will work on scorpio but with reduced grapic. Majority will work on PS4 and One, as most games are multi platform its standard to adjust for performance.

Both consoles are tied to the AMD x86 architecture, treadriper shows that AMD is in the game here.
it would be pointless dropping backward compatiblity for an 25% performance boost then you are in 4K@60hz anyway as its an obvious goal for a post scorpio system or PS5.

Fallout online makes sense if they can make ESO work as an long term cash cow, if not it would not work for FO:O either.
I would make FO:O more of an shooter but in an MMO environment, you target is the FPS players wanting the deeper MMO gameplay.
Personally I would not be very interested in FO:O, probably also the majority of the current ESO players.
The FPS marked is 10x larger.
However this should be possible to verify with the number of employees in ZoS.

PlautisCarvain

Will we be able to play with our characters, without losing our progression etc that we had on PS4 on the next generation of console (if ESO go on the next generation)

Keep_Door

Is it going to be an MMO ?

If your answer is no then so is mine.