ESO dead before Christmas?

method__01

if u leave us can i have your gold pretty plz?

Tandor

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

To answer this question @JackDaniell we have to look
At the technology ZOS is using and future tech plans for the industry.

ESO right now runs on DirectX 11. Direct X 11 leaves extended support from Microsoft in Jan of 2020. That is less then 3 years from now.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

ESO has yet to even attempt to port ESO to DX12 using feature level 11.1 let alone actually porting to Direct X12

ESO has also shown no interest in porting to OpenGL Vulcan either.

Despite the fact both Nvidia and AMD are only really supporting DX11now as bare minimum. Almost all of Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, and even Valve"s focus is on Direct X 12, Vulcan, or both.

After Jan of 2020 Microsoft is no longer required to make sure DX11 apps continue to function on newer versions of Win 10 and later going forward.

Microsoft is already working on the next gen Xbox and it will most likely use a trimmed down version of Direct X12 with no DX 11 feature level support

Sony is also rumored to be working on the PS5 which will use a version of Open GL Vulcan

Neither of these consoles are going to be backwards compatible with previous gen due to significant API differences, removal of old depreciated Direct x 11/Previous Open GL API's, and planned obsolescence for marketing purposes. They may remaster a few first party titles at some point, but very doubtful they port anything else.

ZOS is already like years behind. They should have started porting ESO to those new API's the few weeks after Windows 10 launched...Microsoft has been telling people time is running out on Win 7 and DirectX 11.

How long ESO lasts depends how long Sony and Microsoft delay next gen. I think TES6 has always been the plan for Next Gen and we wouldn't see it on this gen of consoles which means ESO runs its course and is finished at the end of this console gen.

Since they are not even bothering to port to modern graphics API it's pretty obvious they don't have any plans beyond this console gen..rumors are saying late 2019-2020 for the new Xbox and PS5....so unless ZOS pulls a miracle and ports ESO to Direct X 12 or Open GL Vulcan, we got our answer.

I'll wait and see but honestly if they were going to port they would have done it by now

Many dx9 games are still popular and there are relatively few dx12 games at this point. There is not a pressing need for dx12 or the like at this point. They angered enough when they dropped dx9. DX 11 will be around for a long time.

As will be Windows 7. It still has around 50% market share with Windows 10 remaining static at around 28%. Microsoft have some serious thinking to do about the planned end of extended support for Windows 7 in January 2020.

Sigtric

Came for death, staying for How to Be A Whining Brat 101.

Pele

ESO will outlive us all.

Tandor

Juhasow wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Destiny 2 will provide me something to do when I get too frustrated at this game. However, unless something drastically changes this game will be dead to me once Monster Hunter World launches next year.

Destiny 2 is a load of ***. The first good game that drops I'm out. The only thing that has kept me playing and keeps me playing is how terrible the videogame industry has become. I can't remember one release I gave a damn about since eso's release. Or if I did it just turned out to be utter crap. People don't know how to make good games anymore.

Maybe you just suck at it? Lol Destiny 2 is taking what's left of eso player base.

Yeah right...same like Black Desert did ?

Not to mention Wildstar before it. That launched a couple of months after ESO in June 2014 and according to this forum was going to bury ESO before it got off the ground. Now there is a game that was effectively "dead before Christmas"!

Gargath

JackDaniell wrote: »

So it's been 2 months of terrible server performance and lag. Less people playing then before morrowind dropped,

Where? Not at my latitude. And less players means more nodes to pick by me, so why not .

Seriously they are working on new things to the game and I'm sure ESO will not be dead now, soon and in a later time.
Such lore never dies.

starkerealm

Nova Sky wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Another of these threads, been seeing these since launch 2014

Indeed. In fact, I believe it was Wild Star that was the first predicted "ESO killer," way back then. Well, look at how that turned out.

Wildstar, The Division, BDO, Archeage... am I forgetting one? There've been a lot of touted ESO killers out there. In their defense, BDO is very pretty, and The Division is actually kinda fun... but, ESO's still here.

anitajoneb17_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

Nova Sky wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Another of these threads, been seeing these since launch 2014

Indeed. In fact, I believe it was Wild Star that was the first predicted "ESO killer," way back then. Well, look at how that turned out.

Wildstar, The Division, BDO, Archeage... am I forgetting one? There've been a lot of touted ESO killers out there. In their defense, BDO is very pretty, and The Division is actually kinda fun... but, ESO's still here.

ARK has temporarily taken quite a few players away. Some single player games were also predicted to kill ESO (Witcher 3, Fallout 4, etc... ).
But in every thread of this kind, the one being accused for killing ESO more than anything else is ZOS. Luckily, they are VERY BAD at killing their own game

Countcalorie

Smmokkee wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Destiny 2 will provide me something to do when I get too frustrated at this game. However, unless something drastically changes this game will be dead to me once Monster Hunter World launches next year.

Destiny 2 is a load of ***. The first good game that drops I'm out. The only thing that has kept me playing and keeps me playing is how terrible the videogame industry has become. I can't remember one release I gave a damn about since eso's release. Or if I did it just turned out to be utter crap. People don't know how to make good games anymore.

same. its more about making money then selling a good product now.their have been some good indie releases this year but nothing decent.and with the announcement of the "creation club"we are witnessing bethesda's downfall into crappy releases and mediocre microtransaction games.
there are a few Rpgs coming out this year that im looking forward too but thats about it.

asuzab16_ESO

On a more serious note, I have also been considering stopping my ESO+ subscription. Not that I am not enjoying the game. I absolutely love it but the performances issues have been killing all fun recently.

I play from Australia and when I started the game 3/4 months ago, I had between 200-220ms all the time. Then Morrowind came out and I was never under 280 and now, I am never under 350 which makes PvP almost unplayable (maybe because I play stam classes...). For the past two weeks, I have been between 350 and 400. I didn't notice any latency difference on any other game (Dota, WoW, etc...).

It is not only the network performances but also the engine simply that is absolutely terrible. Not as bad as SWTOR but not really far... It sucks because I have never enjoyed ESO more than I do now with all the DLC content and new expansion but poor performances are really making me think about continuing ESO...

If only Zenimax could fix the engine/network issues, I am sure that ESO would be even more popular. All the friends I recommended to play game told me the same things "Poor engine, *** performances, sorry but I can't" when I know that this game is exactly what they are looking for and that they would be playing it if the playing conditions were optimal.

Crowzer

Eso is not dead but be honest, it can be a way better in term of population.

Akrasjel

What terrible server performance and lag... there are issues from time to time but not that bad, but thats my point of view.

Sylosi

JackDaniell wrote: »

ESO has steadily blead a player base...

To be fair that is the standard pattern for virtually every MMORPG with the very rare exceptions like WOW, EVE online, etc.

For the other 99% of MMORPGs then the trend is one of decline, basically most launch to some level of hype, then depending on how well they were received that lasts for a few months (or of the game screws up bad like say Wildstar not even that), then the decline starts, for some games it is mild for others it is steep, then at some point normally within the first two years the decline becomes more pronounced, which in subscription based games normally means they switch to a hybrid/F2P model, this boosts numbers, but only temporarily, a few months later the decline sets in again and that remains the trend, only temporarily interrupted by the release of expansions.

Which is why the vast majority of MMORPGs don't release meaningful stats on player numbers (including this one) and also highlights why the genre is dying, in that you have games that should be ideal at providing long term play, yet fail at that core aspect, and why there are so few AAA MMORPGs released anymore, highlighted by how what were probably the biggest two got cancelled. (Titan & Everquest Next)

starkerealm

Sylosi wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

ESO has steadily blead a player base...

To be fair that is the standard pattern for virtually every MMORPG with the very rare exceptions like WOW, EVE online, etc.

For the other 99% of MMORPGs then the trend is one of decline, basically most launch to some level of hype, then depending on how well they were received that lasts for a few months (or of the game screws up bad like say Wildstar not even that), then the decline starts, for some games it is mild for others it is steep, then at some point normally within the first two years the decline becomes more pronounced, which in subscription based games normally means they switch to a hybrid/F2P model, this boosts numbers, but only temporarily, a few months later the decline sets in again and that remains the trend, only temporarily interrupted by the release of expansions.

Which is why the vast majority of MMORPGs don't release meaningful stats on player numbers (including this one) and also highlights why the genre is dying, in that you have games that should be ideal at providing long term play, yet fail at that core aspect, and why there are so few AAA MMORPGs released anymore, highlighted by how what were probably the biggest two got cancelled. (Titan & Everquest Next)

To be fair, that's not even unique to MMOs. Pretty much every video game experiences that kind of a drop off in concurrent numbers. It's extremely rare for a game to see its playerbase grow after launch.

Docmandu

Game won't die obviously... but I know I'm ready for a break... 3+ months of infinite loading screens without any real action from ZOS, coupled with all the other issues, like grave issues taking 2-3 patch cycles to even be looked at (ie. the severely broken state of procsets)... there's a point when enough is enough.

Foxhole game and PoE 3.0 will keep me busy for a bit.

starkerealm

I mean, I get it. The OP has a manifesto of things they'd like to see. So, they come in here, and post that the sky is falling, in the hopes that it will get the developers to accept their demands as design goals.

Chufu

JackDaniell wrote: »

So it's been 2 months of terrible server performance and lag. Less people playing then before morrowind dropped, and zeni seems tO have NO *** INTEREST WHATSOEVER TO FIX THE GOD DAM LAG FOR THIER PLAYERS SO THEY ALL LEAVE.

So me thinks ESO dead before Christmas, discuss.

No ESO will not be dead very soon.

It have

• great community,
• DEVs care about problems (although there is maybe too much to do for them),
• the game will be updated often (haven't done all Vvardenfell quests now and the next DLC stands in front of the door...)
• Rich is still going to /lurk

There are a few problems in the game like lags, synergie-probs, a.s.o. but yeah... the game brings fun even with that probs.

It's still so that my dream has come true: A world of "The Elder Scrolls" online and playing with friends, do whatever you want, achievements to get, updates.

No, I don't think that ESO will be dead soon and I really don't hope it.

And there are plans for the future of ESO, so it's normal that players will leave ESO and that's okay. Do what you want in your life and enjoy it.

I enjoy ESO since 2013 and I hope there will be a lot of years to come!

*cheers*

Krayzie

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Destiny 2 will provide me something to do when I get too frustrated at this game. However, unless something drastically changes this game will be dead to me once Monster Hunter World launches next year.

Destiny 2 is a load of ***. The first good game that drops I'm out. The only thing that has kept me playing and keeps me playing is how terrible the videogame industry has become. I can't remember one release I gave a damn about since eso's release. Or if I did it just turned out to be utter crap. People don't know how to make good games anymore.

Maybe you just suck at it? Lol Destiny 2 is taking what's left of eso player base.

Yeah right...same like Black Desert did ?

Did it? I don't know lol I know some of the old school Hordor guys left for it like xMovingTarget

Don't get me wrong the game will survive but the hardcore pve scene is just about dead, on console anyways. It will only get worse as the really dedicated players leave for games like D2

Woah xMovingTarget, that guy must be kewl as hell as his username is dope fresh

Also, no one has any idea who you're talking about

Zer0oo

Will this game be dead till xmas?

Probably not, this game still has a lot of role player and forum warriors

But cyrodiil is already dead: Most good pvp guilds, who really did fight for the map, already vanished. The other good pvp guild are are just farming ap. At the moment cyrodiil is just a big death match of big pug trains with sometime a ap-farm-train in between.

Also PvE endgame suffered a lot and the heavy attack meta didn't really help. I don't thing so many hardcore raiding guilds are left.

Slack

Eso has been dead since 2013... Oh wait...

And nerf Sorcerers!

CrisXD

JackDaniell wrote: »

So it's been 2 months of terrible server performance and lag. Less people playing then before morrowind dropped, and zeni seems tO have NO *** INTEREST WHATSOEVER TO FIX THE GOD DAM LAG FOR THIER PLAYERS SO THEY ALL LEAVE.

So me thinks ESO dead before Christmas, discuss.

I had some serious lag issues last night and I do think something has to be done but as for ESO being dead before christmas? no chance! im certainly not leaving. Lag isn't making me give up on the game that easy!

zaria

starkerealm wrote: »

Sylosi wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

ESO has steadily blead a player base...

To be fair that is the standard pattern for virtually every MMORPG with the very rare exceptions like WOW, EVE online, etc.

For the other 99% of MMORPGs then the trend is one of decline, basically most launch to some level of hype, then depending on how well they were received that lasts for a few months (or of the game screws up bad like say Wildstar not even that), then the decline starts, for some games it is mild for others it is steep, then at some point normally within the first two years the decline becomes more pronounced, which in subscription based games normally means they switch to a hybrid/F2P model, this boosts numbers, but only temporarily, a few months later the decline sets in again and that remains the trend, only temporarily interrupted by the release of expansions.

Which is why the vast majority of MMORPGs don't release meaningful stats on player numbers (including this one) and also highlights why the genre is dying, in that you have games that should be ideal at providing long term play, yet fail at that core aspect, and why there are so few AAA MMORPGs released anymore, highlighted by how what were probably the biggest two got cancelled. (Titan & Everquest Next)

To be fair, that's not even unique to MMOs. Pretty much every video game experiences that kind of a drop off in concurrent numbers. It's extremely rare for a game to see its playerbase grow after launch.

Yes, its pretty standard for all games with MMO being among long lived ones.
Fewer MMO now of two reasons, first WOW caught the perfect storm, it was good, causal enough to draw in lots of players and came right then internet for most was good enough. The huge earnings of WOW caused untold others to jump on the bandwagon trying to reap it.
Add that other multiplayer games became popular and worked well as lag was reduced, WOW is pretty lag tolerant.
Other multiplayer games are also cheaper to produce, MMO are very expensive.

Titan got canceled as it would grab a lot of WOW players, leaving lots of empty servers getting others who was not interested in Titan to quit, Blizzard also doubted it would keep players long time as testing did not find it fun enough.

Khenarthi

Heh. ESO is healthy as far as I know. When it dies and the servers shut down, I'll just play the TES games. Hopefully by then we will have TES 6 - if not, there are plenty of Skyrim mods to keep a Khajiit busy for years...

anitajoneb17_ESO

Krayzie wrote: »

Woah xMovingTarget, that guy must be kewl as hell as his username is dope fresh

Also, no one has any idea who you're talking about

Well, if you've been playing for a while on PC/EU you just know who xMovingTargetx is.
And yes he left the game, but I don't know why.
He was a "star" on the server like many other Hodor players.
It's true though that competitive top tier PvE players are likely to leave after a while if they don't get involved in other things (streaming, videos...) because the game has only so few high level competitive end-game instances that it gets old and boring quickly.

Valencer

JackDaniell wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

So it's been 2 months of terrible server performance and lag. Less people playing then before morrowind dropped, and zeni seems tO have NO *** INTEREST WHATSOEVER TO FIX THE GOD DAM LAG FOR THIER PLAYERS SO THEY ALL LEAVE.

So me thinks ESO dead before Christmas, discuss.

just like it was dead any one of a thousand threads about its demise before.

me thinks eso will be alive tomorrow and thru christmas and for some time to come.

Obviously we cannot wager but you want to agree to revisit this thread then as see who is right?

if eso is dead then i will sing your praises sd prognosticator and give you an awesome... will you promise the same for me if it is alive then or will you prefer to just let this one more baseless prediction easily forgotten once the noise has passed?

Mostly I'm trying to raise awareness, to get it fixed. A rather aggressive stance heals big this to people's attention, we're tired of the lag it needs to go and is no longer ok

Lol you must be new here, the forums have had threads like this for years, even before the game launched, on closed beta forums, threads like this existed.

I agree about the lag, but there was the double ap event which could have gone better, but this is nothing new.

I'm not new, more threads the better. Maybe we can make he whole Frontpage threads about lag then something will get done?

Not all of us experience the lag you refer to, and that is where your argument falls apart. As far as the population "proof" you claim, it looks to me like nothing more than the standard life cycle of an online game.

But it's every dam day. Non of my other games have here problems. I wouldn't be here angry like this if it wasn't happening to me every.. dam.. day..

Youre talking to a bunch of casual PvEers. Everyone who spends significant time in Cyrodiil (especially during prime time) knows exactly what you're talking about.

zaria

Khenarthi wrote: »

Heh. ESO is healthy as far as I know. When it dies and the servers shut down, I'll just play the TES games. Hopefully by then we will have TES 6 - if not, there are plenty of Skyrim mods to keep a Khajiit busy for years...

MMO tend to last very long, worst case ESO has 3 years of active development left, +5 years is more probably.
After this the servers will probably run for 5 or more years, it don't require many eso+ subs to cover the running cost of a couple of servers.

RupzSkooma

I don't think ESO is dying anytime soon . They have a lot of direction to move . They can even make the vanilla game F2P with minor restrictions to get more people .And earn by microtransaction.

As far as ES6 is concern even if it come as soon as 2021. I still don't think it will kill ESO. Sure I'll (And most other ES fans) be playing more of ES6 but will still play ESO after like 6 months break. Cause ESO is and probably will be the only place to experience the whole of tamriel in 3D (almost , and not counting mods) . I think both can coexist .

But regardless of what I want it is an MMO and it will die when the community dies .But tbh I do worry about MMO dying after Dragonball online.

I can still play Modrim for eternity .

Juhasow

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Destiny 2 will provide me something to do when I get too frustrated at this game. However, unless something drastically changes this game will be dead to me once Monster Hunter World launches next year.

Destiny 2 is a load of ***. The first good game that drops I'm out. The only thing that has kept me playing and keeps me playing is how terrible the videogame industry has become. I can't remember one release I gave a damn about since eso's release. Or if I did it just turned out to be utter crap. People don't know how to make good games anymore.

Maybe you just suck at it? Lol Destiny 2 is taking what's left of eso player base.

Yeah right...same like Black Desert did ?

Did it? I don't know lol I know some of the old school Hordor guys left for it like xMovingTarget

Don't get me wrong the game will survive but the hardcore pve scene is just about dead, on console anyways. It will only get worse as the really dedicated players leave for games like D2

People leave game eventually if they're playing it for years and finally get bored/frustrated and want something else. That's something usual in MMO's. If these people were some content creators then other people takes their place. New people come to the game and want some guides. Life goes on.

PvE scene will revive (it's not dead atm atleast on PC EU) when HotR hits with new dungeons and traits/sets changes so poeple will farm new setups

eso_lags

I hope not. This is one of the best mmos ever made, hands down. The problem is the way the devs maintain it. Doesnt make sense to me, never has. Sooo bad on xbox its been unplayable for the last 2 days, and reaalll bad for the last few weeks.

Bonzodog01

itzTJ wrote: »

I hope not. This is one of the best mmos ever made, hands down. The problem is the way the devs maintain it. Doesnt make sense to me, never has. Sooo bad on xbox its been unplayable for the last 2 days, and reaalll bad for the last few weeks.

Its all the NA servers, not just XBox.

Log into the EU server, and you will see the difference. Cyrodiil isn't entirely lag free, but its close to. The lag on the EU server isn't a network problem, its sheer numbers having to be processed by the server because of proc sets and CP.