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ZOS - DK has no place in large-scale PvP groups

  • Lexxypwns
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    usmcjdking wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    usmcjdking wrote: »
    MDK is fine. It very much has a place in just about any group comp. S&B/S&B HA retardproof MDK is not strong in a large group though because you can't abuse the vengeance passive (pretty much your source of damage as HA MDK) very easily as conga lining doesn't lend to a MDKs strength who arguably does not want to srprint around spamming talons.

    wut

    A large amount of S&B MDK damage comes from vengeance passive providing you artificially high crit rates. Conga line raids mean you aren't blocking which means you aren't getting vengeance passive. Because you aren't getting vengeance, your damage falls off like a sack of bricks. Because your artificial crit steroid has disappeared, your damage is now awful. So what does the standard HA Mag DK offer to a raid? Just about nothing.

    S&B MDK is not designed for kiting. The group meta is kite until ult. This does not mean Mag DK is weak because it is still incredibly strong in small groups and even solo.

    mDK shines in several scenarios, nobody is debating that. The problem is, when you're building a large scale PVP and looking to maximize efficiency there simply is no place for DK.

    Let's say your competitive PVP guild can only consistently field 16 people. 4 of those, minimum, are automatically healers.
    Now, you have 12 remaining slots. Let's say you run 6 mageblade bomb builds providing your damage practically in totality.
    6 Remaining spots. You need roots, negates, aoe CC. 2 mag sorcs covers your encase and streak spam and gives you some of your negates
    4 remaining spots. 1 stam sorc 1 stam wardens cover rapids, negates, and give your group its first permafrost
    2 spots left and you still only have 3 negates and 1 permafrost in group. Why would you give one of those slots to an mDK instead of a warden either stam or mag or another sorc either stam or mag? DKs can provide better roots than warden but get outclassed in that regard by sorcs and both sorc and warden provide significantly more overall group utility.

    Edited by Lexxypwns on September 14, 2017 9:44PM
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