PVP Group Sizes

Rin_Senya

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overeacted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

Ghost-Shot

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

You got rekt just about every time you seperated from your faction last night. I'm told you got a wipe once at Fare or something before I got there, so grats on that. But you needed to be a part of the 80 EP that took Ales so you don't really have room to talk here.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Satiar wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Shaggygaming wrote: »

Please continue the group size discussion. I really enjoy reading the ignorance while drinking my morning coffee at work.

I'm talking to you, never run more than 16, never run more than 12, and never run less than 37.

Please continue...

I'm just really curious to the convenience of the thread getting closed after we start talking about Guild v Guilds....

All these arguments are just words, I think its time for people to start backing up all this Sh** talk IN GAME.

We're in game 5x a week, as we have been for the last several years. There are no obstacles to finding and fighting us. That's the joy of open world RvRvR, as opposed to an artificial setup where we're both running a very particular GvG setup and comp.

Any groups we've gone after in the game, we've handled in this fashion and intend to continue doing so. The guilds that gave us strong challenges (Nexus Meth Emp groups, GoS emp raids on TF, Decibel, Rage, etc) we met on the field. You could do that if you wanted to, but you'd rather not and that's your choice. Wanting that grudge match so hard is bewildering to me. Any group Weve found ourselves unable to consistently beat, Bulb and I have worked and crafted our raid and strategy until we ended up on top. We never just stewed in our unhappiness and complained that our enemies wouldn't lower themselves to fight on our level and on our terms. It's a dumb attitude for this kind of game, and I won't indulge it.

I don't think it was us who claimed that we will always win. I can understand your desire to avoid the challenge though. You were a bit more reasonable a few months ago though when you said yourself that you would like to GVG but Bulb won't let the guild do it.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

You got rekt just about every time you seperated from your faction last night. I'm told you got a wipe once at Fare or something before I got there, so grats on that. But you needed to be a part of the 80 EP that took Ales so you don't really have room to talk here.

I tell you what, you upload the video of your kills on us and we'll upload ours on you let everyone be the judge of who rekt who shall we?

Shaggygaming wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Shaggygaming wrote: »

Please continue the group size discussion. I really enjoy reading the ignorance while drinking my morning coffee at work.

I'm talking to you, never run more than 16, never run more than 12, and never run less than 37.

Please continue...

I'm just really curious to the convenience of the thread getting closed after we start talking about Guild v Guilds....

All these arguments are just words, I think its time for people to start backing up all this Sh** talk IN GAME.

We're in game 5x a week, as we have been for the last several years. There are no obstacles to finding and fighting us. That's the joy of open world RvRvR, as opposed to an artificial setup where we're both running a very particular GvG setup and comp.

Any groups we've gone after in the game, we've handled in this fashion and intend to continue doing so. The guilds that gave us strong challenges (Nexus Meth Emp groups, GoS emp raids on TF, Decibel, Rage, etc) we met on the field. You could do that if you wanted to, but you'd rather not and that's your choice. Wanting that grudge match so hard is bewildering to me. Any group Weve found ourselves unable to consistently beat, Bulb and I have worked and crafted our raid and strategy until we ended up on top. We never just stewed in our unhappiness and complained that our enemies wouldn't lower themselves to fight on our level and on our terms. It's a dumb attitude for this kind of game, and I won't indulge it.

LMAO, moar *** talk. Lets just settle this already. Are you scared the g v g will have the same results as our 1 v 1?

is this youre idea of meeting in the field?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkUEepRgkd8

Ah yes, our legendary duel where you came in with a Stam proc build and started challenging a bunch of ppl testing out unmorphed destro ults. Like, im glad you had fun but I'm surprised you're still holding onto it. Beating me in a duel is no great accomplishment anymore, I got out of the 1v1 scene in 1.6.

Again, you know where to find us. You can bring a group prepped to win or you can bring one that isn't and whine if you lose. Your level of entitlement is high. I've fought you outnumbered, even numbers and while greatly outnumbering you. I've never run from any of those engagements, and while I'd like some back (that's life!) i rest easy knowing I've played you guys hard in all circumstances and I'm satisfied with my W/L ratio. I don't think that's the case for you, or you wouldn't be spewing salt. You know when i run, how many I run and what our specs are: and yet you keeps running into me. If you're good enough to win the majority of those Do So. If not, stop whining for me to come down to your level. Get good.

Like I said, no reasoning with you guys. 100% Delusional. You cannot when in a straight GvG and you cannot win in a straight 1 v 1. Pretty much the end of the argument. If you would like to prove me otherwise. Lets handle it in game.

You say you have never run from any of these fights, so Im confused why you wont even show up for one?

Who are you? Do you play with PM?

Who have you become Shaggy lol.

Satiar

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

Lol.

You're great at starting *** Ren, Im a little mad at myself that I believed your veneer of civility. All it took was getting wiped 20+ times in a week and all that niceness and sportsmanship vanished. I don't know if you just weren't expecting competition or thought your plague doctor spec would carry you to flawless victory or what, but your attitude and the attitudes of your guildmates is night and day from a few weeks ago.

Meanwhile we just continue doing what we always do, adapting to new strategies and builds and watching fake sportsmanship dissolve into salt when victories don't come as easily as expected. You have nice ppl in your guild, your baiting and ***-stirring is a poor way to represent them.

Inig0

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

the game tells you when youre about to make a zerg. after 4 is a LARGE GROUP aka ZERG
xD

The term zerg has nothing to do with large group though, the logic is flawed!

To understand the term zerg. One must first define the term zerg. *insert long nonsensical explaination by crown*

Logohs

and everyone Love Logohs

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

Lol.

You're great at starting *** Ren, Im a little mad at myself that I believed your veneer of civility. All it took was getting wiped 20+ times in a week and all that niceness and sportsmanship vanished. I don't know if you just weren't expecting competition or thought your plague doctor spec would carry you to flawless victory or what, but your attitude and the attitudes of your guildmates is night and day from a few weeks ago.

Meanwhile we just continue doing what we always do, adapting to new strategies and builds and watching fake sportsmanship dissolve into salt when victories don't come as easily as expected. You have nice ppl in your guild, your baiting and ***-stirring is a poor way to represent them.

Firstly who's Ren?
Secondly we are more then happy with our level of victory over your 24+ with our size. Are you happy with yours? I would honestly be embarrassed to be consistently destroyed by a group 1/2 my size.

The only 'adapting' you guys have done recently is going from 'sometimes 18m' up to 'always over 24'. Good tactics, must have taken a long time to figure out 'more people more fun.'

The last thing is the hilarious efforts you go to try and accuse other guilds of salt whilst your members cry about every word that we write here

You want to speak about guild attitudes. It was extremely clear to see the shift in attitude from VE after we uploaded our farming of your full group on the Ash gate. You started triggering, tbagging and stacking tighter with pugs instantly. I get that you were upset, we just thought it was a good fight and something for you to learn from.

Abram

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

What has your guild accomplished that you get make demands of us? We are satisfied with our wins, most of your guild is on farm in our kill counters. The ball is in our court.

Nice try.... Like I said No reasoning. This is from last 2 weeks btw. I did an @name change towards the beginning of this patch.

http://imgur.com/a/dnk6a

Satiar

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Shaggygaming wrote: »

Please continue the group size discussion. I really enjoy reading the ignorance while drinking my morning coffee at work.

I'm talking to you, never run more than 16, never run more than 12, and never run less than 37.

Please continue...

I'm just really curious to the convenience of the thread getting closed after we start talking about Guild v Guilds....

All these arguments are just words, I think its time for people to start backing up all this Sh** talk IN GAME.

We're in game 5x a week, as we have been for the last several years. There are no obstacles to finding and fighting us. That's the joy of open world RvRvR, as opposed to an artificial setup where we're both running a very particular GvG setup and comp.

Any groups we've gone after in the game, we've handled in this fashion and intend to continue doing so. The guilds that gave us strong challenges (Nexus Meth Emp groups, GoS emp raids on TF, Decibel, Rage, etc) we met on the field. You could do that if you wanted to, but you'd rather not and that's your choice. Wanting that grudge match so hard is bewildering to me. Any group Weve found ourselves unable to consistently beat, Bulb and I have worked and crafted our raid and strategy until we ended up on top. We never just stewed in our unhappiness and complained that our enemies wouldn't lower themselves to fight on our level and on our terms. It's a dumb attitude for this kind of game, and I won't indulge it.

I don't think it was us who claimed that we will always win. I can understand your desire to avoid the challenge though. You were a bit more reasonable a few months ago though when you said yourself that you would like to GVG but Bulb won't let the guild do it.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

You got rekt just about every time you seperated from your faction last night. I'm told you got a wipe once at Fare or something before I got there, so grats on that. But you needed to be a part of the 80 EP that took Ales so you don't really have room to talk here.

I tell you what, you upload the video of your kills on us and we'll upload ours on you let everyone be the judge of who rekt who shall we ?

I'm sure you'll upload your videos one way or another, you guys are fond of that .

And yes, I was more reasonable about the possibility of a GvG while things were civil. Good sportsmanship makes it interesting and fun, and that's been severely lacking.

Finally, nowhere did any of us say we'll "always win". We're not dumb. Destro meta is fast and furious and group wipes happen on one misstep. Dunno where you pulled that gem from.

Ghost-Shot

Abram wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

What has your guild accomplished that you get make demands of us? We are satisfied with our wins, most of your guild is on farm in our kill counters. The ball is in our court.

Nice try.... Like I said No reasoning. This is from last 2 weeks btw. I did an @name change towards the beginning of this patch.

http://imgur.com/a/dnk6a

Oh grats, 3 whole kills on me! I'm glad you consider this an accomplishment

Ghost-Shot

Inig0 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

the game tells you when youre about to make a zerg. after 4 is a LARGE GROUP aka ZERG
xD

The term zerg has nothing to do with large group though, the logic is flawed!

To understand the term zerg. One must first define the term zerg. *insert long nonsensical explaination by crown*

More importantly, what does "meta" really mean?

Ghost-Shot

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

Lol.

You're great at starting *** Ren, Im a little mad at myself that I believed your veneer of civility. All it took was getting wiped 20+ times in a week and all that niceness and sportsmanship vanished. I don't know if you just weren't expecting competition or thought your plague doctor spec would carry you to flawless victory or what, but your attitude and the attitudes of your guildmates is night and day from a few weeks ago.

Meanwhile we just continue doing what we always do, adapting to new strategies and builds and watching fake sportsmanship dissolve into salt when victories don't come as easily as expected. You have nice ppl in your guild, your baiting and ***-stirring is a poor way to represent them.

Firstly who's Ren?
Secondly we are more then happy with our level of victory over your 24+ with our size. Are you happy with yours? I would honestly be embarrassed to be consistently destroyed by a group 1/2 my size.

The only 'adapting' you guys have done recently is going from 'sometimes 18m' up to 'always over 24'. Good tactics, must have taken a long time to figure out 'more people more fun.'

The last thing is the hilarious efforts you go to try and accuse other guilds of salt whilst your members cry about every word that we write here

You want to speak about guild attitudes. It was extremely clear to see the shift in attitude from VE after we uploaded our farming of your full group on the Ash gate. You started triggering, tbagging and stacking tighter with pugs instantly. I get that you were upset, we just thought it was a good fight and something for you to learn from.

I would be too, but since there is not group in this game that "consistently destroys us" let alone with half our number its not an issue I have to worry about. You get some wipes, and we never try to discredit those. But the fact that you camp before you come to fight us says a lot in my opinion. We have never even had the thought of pre camping a fight with drac cross our minds.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Satiar wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Shaggygaming wrote: »

Please continue the group size discussion. I really enjoy reading the ignorance while drinking my morning coffee at work.

I'm talking to you, never run more than 16, never run more than 12, and never run less than 37.

Please continue...

I'm just really curious to the convenience of the thread getting closed after we start talking about Guild v Guilds....

All these arguments are just words, I think its time for people to start backing up all this Sh** talk IN GAME.

We're in game 5x a week, as we have been for the last several years. There are no obstacles to finding and fighting us. That's the joy of open world RvRvR, as opposed to an artificial setup where we're both running a very particular GvG setup and comp.

Any groups we've gone after in the game, we've handled in this fashion and intend to continue doing so. The guilds that gave us strong challenges (Nexus Meth Emp groups, GoS emp raids on TF, Decibel, Rage, etc) we met on the field. You could do that if you wanted to, but you'd rather not and that's your choice. Wanting that grudge match so hard is bewildering to me. Any group Weve found ourselves unable to consistently beat, Bulb and I have worked and crafted our raid and strategy until we ended up on top. We never just stewed in our unhappiness and complained that our enemies wouldn't lower themselves to fight on our level and on our terms. It's a dumb attitude for this kind of game, and I won't indulge it.

I don't think it was us who claimed that we will always win. I can understand your desire to avoid the challenge though. You were a bit more reasonable a few months ago though when you said yourself that you would like to GVG but Bulb won't let the guild do it.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

You got rekt just about every time you seperated from your faction last night. I'm told you got a wipe once at Fare or something before I got there, so grats on that. But you needed to be a part of the 80 EP that took Ales so you don't really have room to talk here.

I tell you what, you upload the video of your kills on us and we'll upload ours on you let everyone be the judge of who rekt who shall we ?

I'm sure you'll upload your videos one way or another, you guys are fond of that .

And yes, I was more reasonable about the possibility of a GvG while things were civil. Good sportsmanship makes it interesting and fun, and that's been severely lacking.

Finally, nowhere did any of us say we'll "always win". We're not dumb. Destro meta is fast and furious and group wipes happen on one misstep. Dunno where you pulled that gem from.

Of course we will upload videos, Its nice to keep a record of fights to look back on and for other guilds to analyse and improve from.
I'm surprised you guys don't do it considering how proud you are of your fights.

Next excuse for no GvG is 'that things aren't civil'. Ok

Ghost-Shot

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Shaggygaming wrote: »

Please continue the group size discussion. I really enjoy reading the ignorance while drinking my morning coffee at work.

I'm talking to you, never run more than 16, never run more than 12, and never run less than 37.

Please continue...

I'm just really curious to the convenience of the thread getting closed after we start talking about Guild v Guilds....

All these arguments are just words, I think its time for people to start backing up all this Sh** talk IN GAME.

We're in game 5x a week, as we have been for the last several years. There are no obstacles to finding and fighting us. That's the joy of open world RvRvR, as opposed to an artificial setup where we're both running a very particular GvG setup and comp.

Any groups we've gone after in the game, we've handled in this fashion and intend to continue doing so. The guilds that gave us strong challenges (Nexus Meth Emp groups, GoS emp raids on TF, Decibel, Rage, etc) we met on the field. You could do that if you wanted to, but you'd rather not and that's your choice. Wanting that grudge match so hard is bewildering to me. Any group Weve found ourselves unable to consistently beat, Bulb and I have worked and crafted our raid and strategy until we ended up on top. We never just stewed in our unhappiness and complained that our enemies wouldn't lower themselves to fight on our level and on our terms. It's a dumb attitude for this kind of game, and I won't indulge it.

I don't think it was us who claimed that we will always win. I can understand your desire to avoid the challenge though. You were a bit more reasonable a few months ago though when you said yourself that you would like to GVG but Bulb won't let the guild do it.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

You got rekt just about every time you seperated from your faction last night. I'm told you got a wipe once at Fare or something before I got there, so grats on that. But you needed to be a part of the 80 EP that took Ales so you don't really have room to talk here.

I tell you what, you upload the video of your kills on us and we'll upload ours on you let everyone be the judge of who rekt who shall we ?

I'm sure you'll upload your videos one way or another, you guys are fond of that .

And yes, I was more reasonable about the possibility of a GvG while things were civil. Good sportsmanship makes it interesting and fun, and that's been severely lacking.

Finally, nowhere did any of us say we'll "always win". We're not dumb. Destro meta is fast and furious and group wipes happen on one misstep. Dunno where you pulled that gem from.

Of course we will upload videos, Its nice to keep a record of fights to look back on and for other guilds to analyse and improve from.
I'm surprised you guys don't do it considering how proud you are of your fights.

Next excuse for no GvG is 'that things aren't civil'. Ok

We have stuff all over youtube, just don't bother with them on the forums. If you think these threads are juicy salt mines look up some of the rare video threads we have posted.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

Lol.

You're great at starting *** Ren, Im a little mad at myself that I believed your veneer of civility. All it took was getting wiped 20+ times in a week and all that niceness and sportsmanship vanished. I don't know if you just weren't expecting competition or thought your plague doctor spec would carry you to flawless victory or what, but your attitude and the attitudes of your guildmates is night and day from a few weeks ago.

Meanwhile we just continue doing what we always do, adapting to new strategies and builds and watching fake sportsmanship dissolve into salt when victories don't come as easily as expected. You have nice ppl in your guild, your baiting and ***-stirring is a poor way to represent them.

Firstly who's Ren?
Secondly we are more then happy with our level of victory over your 24+ with our size. Are you happy with yours? I would honestly be embarrassed to be consistently destroyed by a group 1/2 my size.

The only 'adapting' you guys have done recently is going from 'sometimes 18m' up to 'always over 24'. Good tactics, must have taken a long time to figure out 'more people more fun.'

The last thing is the hilarious efforts you go to try and accuse other guilds of salt whilst your members cry about every word that we write here

You want to speak about guild attitudes. It was extremely clear to see the shift in attitude from VE after we uploaded our farming of your full group on the Ash gate. You started triggering, tbagging and stacking tighter with pugs instantly. I get that you were upset, we just thought it was a good fight and something for you to learn from.

I would be too, but since there is not group in this game that "consistently destroys us" let alone with half our number its not an issue I have to worry about. You get some wipes, and we never try to discredit those. But the fact that you camp before you come to fight us says a lot in my opinion. We have never even had the thought of pre camping a fight with drac cross our minds.

Lol what? Do you honestly think that? I can't actually tell if its an act or not.

Satiar

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

Lol.

You're great at starting *** Ren, Im a little mad at myself that I believed your veneer of civility. All it took was getting wiped 20+ times in a week and all that niceness and sportsmanship vanished. I don't know if you just weren't expecting competition or thought your plague doctor spec would carry you to flawless victory or what, but your attitude and the attitudes of your guildmates is night and day from a few weeks ago.

Meanwhile we just continue doing what we always do, adapting to new strategies and builds and watching fake sportsmanship dissolve into salt when victories don't come as easily as expected. You have nice ppl in your guild, your baiting and ***-stirring is a poor way to represent them.

Firstly who's Ren?
Secondly we are more then happy with our level of victory over your 24+ with our size. Are you happy with yours? I would honestly be embarrassed to be consistently destroyed by a group 1/2 my size.

The only 'adapting' you guys have done recently is going from 'sometimes 18m' up to 'always over 24'. Good tactics, must have taken a long time to figure out 'more people more fun.'

The last thing is the hilarious efforts you go to try and accuse other guilds of salt whilst your members cry about every word that we write here

You want to speak about guild attitudes. It was extremely clear to see the shift in attitude from VE after we uploaded our farming of your full group on the Ash gate. You started triggering, tbagging and stacking tighter with pugs instantly. I get that you were upset, we just thought it was a good fight and something for you to learn from.

You got a nice 2 wipes on ash gate and we got a nice look at the strengths avd weaknesses of your spec. Since then we've pretty much stomped on you regardless of our group size. Losses are a painful way to learn but sometimes it happens that way. Your viewpoint on it is not a good one for leadership. You aren't looking st how we've countered your tactics, you're just blathering on about us crutching on "more numbers" and such. Refusing to look inward on your reversal of fortunes and trying to invent reasons for failure beyond your control will lead to more failure.

And yea, you made a compilation of group wipes and posted them on the forums. A bunch of your guildmates talked massive ***. So we adjust, play you harder and look what happens: a mountain of salt, whining and "1v1 me bruh!" When we lost a fight we didn't like we learned and adjusted. Seeing how you guys adapt to losses is just sad.

Finally, don't play dumb. Nature of the game right now is easy bombs. You'll get your hits in, you're a One dimensional group focused around bombing and nothing else. You'll get some pretty hits in, im under no illusions there. But since you bring it up, yes, I'm pretty happy with the win rate atm. Outside of a few nice bombs it's been a dominating few weeks. You're falling into that trap again: "I run X number of ppl so all my wins are amazing and all my losses don't count!" You got 2 bombs in last night and wiped upwards of 10 times, including 3 full wipes in a single keep where we were busy with AD and you were laser focused on us and us alone. If you're content with that kind of night every night, that's.... fine with me.

Ghost-Shot

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

Lol.

You're great at starting *** Ren, Im a little mad at myself that I believed your veneer of civility. All it took was getting wiped 20+ times in a week and all that niceness and sportsmanship vanished. I don't know if you just weren't expecting competition or thought your plague doctor spec would carry you to flawless victory or what, but your attitude and the attitudes of your guildmates is night and day from a few weeks ago.

Meanwhile we just continue doing what we always do, adapting to new strategies and builds and watching fake sportsmanship dissolve into salt when victories don't come as easily as expected. You have nice ppl in your guild, your baiting and ***-stirring is a poor way to represent them.

Firstly who's Ren?
Secondly we are more then happy with our level of victory over your 24+ with our size. Are you happy with yours? I would honestly be embarrassed to be consistently destroyed by a group 1/2 my size.

The only 'adapting' you guys have done recently is going from 'sometimes 18m' up to 'always over 24'. Good tactics, must have taken a long time to figure out 'more people more fun.'

The last thing is the hilarious efforts you go to try and accuse other guilds of salt whilst your members cry about every word that we write here

You want to speak about guild attitudes. It was extremely clear to see the shift in attitude from VE after we uploaded our farming of your full group on the Ash gate. You started triggering, tbagging and stacking tighter with pugs instantly. I get that you were upset, we just thought it was a good fight and something for you to learn from.

I would be too, but since there is not group in this game that "consistently destroys us" let alone with half our number its not an issue I have to worry about. You get some wipes, and we never try to discredit those. But the fact that you camp before you come to fight us says a lot in my opinion. We have never even had the thought of pre camping a fight with drac cross our minds.

Lol what? Do you honestly think that? I can't actually tell if its an act or not.

You are delusional if you believe your guild, by yourselves, consistently wipes us. If you believe that this whole discussion is pointless.

Satiar

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Shaggygaming wrote: »

Please continue the group size discussion. I really enjoy reading the ignorance while drinking my morning coffee at work.

I'm talking to you, never run more than 16, never run more than 12, and never run less than 37.

Please continue...

I'm just really curious to the convenience of the thread getting closed after we start talking about Guild v Guilds....

All these arguments are just words, I think its time for people to start backing up all this Sh** talk IN GAME.

We're in game 5x a week, as we have been for the last several years. There are no obstacles to finding and fighting us. That's the joy of open world RvRvR, as opposed to an artificial setup where we're both running a very particular GvG setup and comp.

Any groups we've gone after in the game, we've handled in this fashion and intend to continue doing so. The guilds that gave us strong challenges (Nexus Meth Emp groups, GoS emp raids on TF, Decibel, Rage, etc) we met on the field. You could do that if you wanted to, but you'd rather not and that's your choice. Wanting that grudge match so hard is bewildering to me. Any group Weve found ourselves unable to consistently beat, Bulb and I have worked and crafted our raid and strategy until we ended up on top. We never just stewed in our unhappiness and complained that our enemies wouldn't lower themselves to fight on our level and on our terms. It's a dumb attitude for this kind of game, and I won't indulge it.

I don't think it was us who claimed that we will always win. I can understand your desire to avoid the challenge though. You were a bit more reasonable a few months ago though when you said yourself that you would like to GVG but Bulb won't let the guild do it.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

You got rekt just about every time you seperated from your faction last night. I'm told you got a wipe once at Fare or something before I got there, so grats on that. But you needed to be a part of the 80 EP that took Ales so you don't really have room to talk here.

I tell you what, you upload the video of your kills on us and we'll upload ours on you let everyone be the judge of who rekt who shall we ?

I'm sure you'll upload your videos one way or another, you guys are fond of that .

And yes, I was more reasonable about the possibility of a GvG while things were civil. Good sportsmanship makes it interesting and fun, and that's been severely lacking.

Finally, nowhere did any of us say we'll "always win". We're not dumb. Destro meta is fast and furious and group wipes happen on one misstep. Dunno where you pulled that gem from.

Of course we will upload videos, Its nice to keep a record of fights to look back on and for other guilds to analyse and improve from.
I'm surprised you guys don't do it considering how proud you are of your fights.

Next excuse for no GvG is 'that things aren't civil'. Ok

We keep records of all our stuff. It's why I can laugh when I get hit with "you've never wiped us even numbers" or "you had 40 ppl!!!!". I just don't post that stuff on the forums. If we can't make our reputation on the field, then we've failed already. No need for bragging and video spam, that's been our policy for years now.

Elong

Abram

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

What has your guild accomplished that you get make demands of us? We are satisfied with our wins, most of your guild is on farm in our kill counters. The ball is in our court.

Nice try.... Like I said No reasoning. This is from last 2 weeks btw. I did an @name change towards the beginning of this patch.

http://imgur.com/a/dnk6a

Oh grats, 3 whole kills on me! I'm glad you consider this an accomplishment

You said you had us on farm, where are your screenshots? Again, cant say it enough times, you are delusional.

Ghost-Shot

Abram wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

What has your guild accomplished that you get make demands of us? We are satisfied with our wins, most of your guild is on farm in our kill counters. The ball is in our court.

Nice try.... Like I said No reasoning. This is from last 2 weeks btw. I did an @name change towards the beginning of this patch.

http://imgur.com/a/dnk6a

Oh grats, 3 whole kills on me! I'm glad you consider this an accomplishment

You said you had us on farm, where are your screenshots? Again, cant say it enough times, you are delusional.

I'm at work bruh, I don't carry a flash drive of KC screen shots lol.

Agrippa_Invisus

One thing I'd like to add real quick --

Kill Counter has always been garbage and will continue to remain garbage. It tabulates how many 'kills' you got of the opponent (regardless of KB) while only counting the number of times they landed a killing blow, not how many times you died to their group.

So, please, stop using it as a foundation for anything other than the garbage pile that addon belongs in.

Satiar

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

One thing I'd like to add real quick --

Kill Counter has always been garbage and will continue to remain garbage. It tabulates how many 'kills' you got of the opponent (regardless of KB) while only counting the number of times they landed a killing blow, not how many times you died to their group.

So, please, stop using it as a foundation for anything other than the garbage pile that addon belongs in.

Also you can have each other on farm in there, buggy piece of software

Abram

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

One thing I'd like to add real quick --

Kill Counter has always been garbage and will continue to remain garbage. It tabulates how many 'kills' you got of the opponent (regardless of KB) while only counting the number of times they landed a killing blow, not how many times you died to their group.

So, please, stop using it as a foundation for anything other than the garbage pile that addon belongs in.

Also you can have each other on farm in there, buggy piece of software

All these arguments are besides the point, show up for the fight or words are just words.

Satiar

Abram wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

One thing I'd like to add real quick --

Kill Counter has always been garbage and will continue to remain garbage. It tabulates how many 'kills' you got of the opponent (regardless of KB) while only counting the number of times they landed a killing blow, not how many times you died to their group.

So, please, stop using it as a foundation for anything other than the garbage pile that addon belongs in.

Also you can have each other on farm in there, buggy piece of software

All these arguments are besides the point, show up for the fight or words are just words.

You're that salty kid who gets run over and starts spamming "1v1 me bro!"

Abram

Satiar wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

One thing I'd like to add real quick --

Kill Counter has always been garbage and will continue to remain garbage. It tabulates how many 'kills' you got of the opponent (regardless of KB) while only counting the number of times they landed a killing blow, not how many times you died to their group.

So, please, stop using it as a foundation for anything other than the garbage pile that addon belongs in.

Also you can have each other on farm in there, buggy piece of software

All these arguments are besides the point, show up for the fight or words are just words.

You're that salty kid who gets run over and starts spamming "1v1 me bro!"

See previous ambush spam clip.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

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Satiar wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

Lol.

You're great at starting *** Ren, Im a little mad at myself that I believed your veneer of civility. All it took was getting wiped 20+ times in a week and all that niceness and sportsmanship vanished. I don't know if you just weren't expecting competition or thought your plague doctor spec would carry you to flawless victory or what, but your attitude and the attitudes of your guildmates is night and day from a few weeks ago.

Meanwhile we just continue doing what we always do, adapting to new strategies and builds and watching fake sportsmanship dissolve into salt when victories don't come as easily as expected. You have nice ppl in your guild, your baiting and ***-stirring is a poor way to represent them.

Firstly who's Ren?
Secondly we are more then happy with our level of victory over your 24+ with our size. Are you happy with yours? I would honestly be embarrassed to be consistently destroyed by a group 1/2 my size.

The only 'adapting' you guys have done recently is going from 'sometimes 18m' up to 'always over 24'. Good tactics, must have taken a long time to figure out 'more people more fun.'

The last thing is the hilarious efforts you go to try and accuse other guilds of salt whilst your members cry about every word that we write here

You want to speak about guild attitudes. It was extremely clear to see the shift in attitude from VE after we uploaded our farming of your full group on the Ash gate. You started triggering, tbagging and stacking tighter with pugs instantly. I get that you were upset, we just thought it was a good fight and something for you to learn from.

You got a nice 2 wipes on ash gate and we got a nice look at the strengths avd weaknesses of your spec. Since then we've pretty much stomped on you regardless of our group size. Losses are a painful way to learn but sometimes it happens that way. Your viewpoint on it is not a good one for leadership. You aren't looking st how we've countered your tactics, you're just blathering on about us crutching on "more numbers" and such. Refusing to look inward on your reversal of fortunes and trying to invent reasons for failure beyond your control will lead to more failure.

And yea, you made a compilation of group wipes and posted them on the forums. A bunch of your guildmates talked massive ***. So we adjust, play you harder and look what happens: a mountain of salt, whining and "1v1 me bruh!" When we lost a fight we didn't like we learned and adjusted. Seeing how you guys adapt to losses is just sad.

Finally, don't play dumb. Nature of the game right now is easy bombs. You'll get your hits in, you're a One dimensional group focused around bombing and nothing else. You'll get some pretty hits in, im under no illusions there. But since you bring it up, yes, I'm pretty happy with the win rate atm. Outside of a few nice bombs it's been a dominating few weeks. You're falling into that trap again: "I run X number of ppl so all my wins are amazing and all my losses don't count!" You got 2 bombs in last night and wiped upwards of 10 times, including 3 full wipes in a single keep where we were busy with AD and you were laser focused on us and us alone. If you're content with that kind of night every night, that's.... fine with me.

You wiped the 14 of us twice last night alone, once at Ash gate (we only killed 1/2 your group on engage and the rest caught, us) once at Brindle keep/farm area. All other fights you either had BoD or pugs with you on top of your already vast group.

Also did you I didn't tbag you guys once last night when we killed you. Can't say it was the same for your side though. Guess it must be all the salt on my side stopping me tbagging eh

If bombing as '16' is so easy why can't you guys do it at 24+?

Satiar

Abram wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Abram wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

One thing I'd like to add real quick --

Kill Counter has always been garbage and will continue to remain garbage. It tabulates how many 'kills' you got of the opponent (regardless of KB) while only counting the number of times they landed a killing blow, not how many times you died to their group.

So, please, stop using it as a foundation for anything other than the garbage pile that addon belongs in.

Also you can have each other on farm in there, buggy piece of software

All these arguments are besides the point, show up for the fight or words are just words.

You're that salty kid who gets run over and starts spamming "1v1 me bro!"

See previous ambush spam clip.

I'm pretty sure you asked me to fight you after that one too. What's next, playground bout after school?

IcyDeadPeople

Inig0 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

the game tells you when youre about to make a zerg. after 4 is a LARGE GROUP aka ZERG
xD

The term zerg has nothing to do with large group though, the logic is flawed!

To understand the term zerg. One must first define the term zerg. *insert long nonsensical explaination by crown*

The currently accepted formula for zerg is the established mathematical axiom (n + 1), also known as Angry Joe's Maximal Zerg Principle, where n is the number of players in your party

Satiar

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

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Satiar wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ppl don't get salty when they win. No one gives a *** who you are, what you run or how many as long as they're still beating you.

But the one who salty here is you You wrote so lot of pages on last thread trying to make excuses and arguing. Infact your entire guild did, including one very emotional post from 'B' The salt also overflows into game too where you tried to chase us around all night with your members also tryharding other guild chats.

Just confirm that you overracted about the phrase that you regularly "need 3+ guilds to take Chalman from EP" or that you are the only guild left in the game that needs 24+ members in the group to be competative or achieve something

Lol.

You're great at starting *** Ren, Im a little mad at myself that I believed your veneer of civility. All it took was getting wiped 20+ times in a week and all that niceness and sportsmanship vanished. I don't know if you just weren't expecting competition or thought your plague doctor spec would carry you to flawless victory or what, but your attitude and the attitudes of your guildmates is night and day from a few weeks ago.

Meanwhile we just continue doing what we always do, adapting to new strategies and builds and watching fake sportsmanship dissolve into salt when victories don't come as easily as expected. You have nice ppl in your guild, your baiting and ***-stirring is a poor way to represent them.

Firstly who's Ren?
Secondly we are more then happy with our level of victory over your 24+ with our size. Are you happy with yours? I would honestly be embarrassed to be consistently destroyed by a group 1/2 my size.

The only 'adapting' you guys have done recently is going from 'sometimes 18m' up to 'always over 24'. Good tactics, must have taken a long time to figure out 'more people more fun.'

The last thing is the hilarious efforts you go to try and accuse other guilds of salt whilst your members cry about every word that we write here

You want to speak about guild attitudes. It was extremely clear to see the shift in attitude from VE after we uploaded our farming of your full group on the Ash gate. You started triggering, tbagging and stacking tighter with pugs instantly. I get that you were upset, we just thought it was a good fight and something for you to learn from.

You got a nice 2 wipes on ash gate and we got a nice look at the strengths avd weaknesses of your spec. Since then we've pretty much stomped on you regardless of our group size. Losses are a painful way to learn but sometimes it happens that way. Your viewpoint on it is not a good one for leadership. You aren't looking st how we've countered your tactics, you're just blathering on about us crutching on "more numbers" and such. Refusing to look inward on your reversal of fortunes and trying to invent reasons for failure beyond your control will lead to more failure.

And yea, you made a compilation of group wipes and posted them on the forums. A bunch of your guildmates talked massive ***. So we adjust, play you harder and look what happens: a mountain of salt, whining and "1v1 me bruh!" When we lost a fight we didn't like we learned and adjusted. Seeing how you guys adapt to losses is just sad.

Finally, don't play dumb. Nature of the game right now is easy bombs. You'll get your hits in, you're a One dimensional group focused around bombing and nothing else. You'll get some pretty hits in, im under no illusions there. But since you bring it up, yes, I'm pretty happy with the win rate atm. Outside of a few nice bombs it's been a dominating few weeks. You're falling into that trap again: "I run X number of ppl so all my wins are amazing and all my losses don't count!" You got 2 bombs in last night and wiped upwards of 10 times, including 3 full wipes in a single keep where we were busy with AD and you were laser focused on us and us alone. If you're content with that kind of night every night, that's.... fine with me.

You wiped the 14 of us twice last night alone, once at Ash gate (we only killed 1/2 your group on engage and the rest caught, us) once at Brindle keep/farm area. All other fights you either had BoD or pugs with you on top of your already vast group.

Also did you I didn't tbag you guys once last night when we killed you. Can't say it was the same for your side though. Guess it must be all the salt on my side stopping me tbagging eh

If bombing as '16' is so easy why can't you guys do it at 24+?

You certainly have a rosy view of last night. It takes some real determination to condense that many wipes down to 2. Again, you're just falling back onto blaming your circumstances. "I only had this many people and I was in enemy territory". You don't know how to lose without making a multitude of excuses. It's pattern, Iz. None of your losses count and all of your wins were awesome!

Also I'm somewhat confused. We can't bomb? You've lost me.

And finally, you talk *** you get tbags. That's what we call standard operating procedure. I'm usually the passive aggressive one but ya'll been putting me to utter shame.