IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »For stamina in PvE:
Lover or Shadow mundus stone, Infused Main-hand, Precise Off-hand, Precise Bow. Lover or Shadow depends, its basically 18.3% critical hit damage vs 8.4% overall damage increase. The traits are set in stone however, the BiS is very unlikely to be different from the above.
For stamina in PvP:
As usual it depends on a lot of variables, including your opponents. Sharpened is most likely still the best trait for straight up damage (especially against tanky opponents), Precise and Nirnhoned are pretty good options for both offense and defense.
However: Infused with a Poison Enchant and the Lover Mundus stone is basically a new Viper and if you manage to get enough penetration through your sets and CP, then this may very well be the new "cancer meta".
I'm not too sure about magicka in PvE (probably Precise and the Lover), but I think that for PvP, the same stuff applies as for stamina. #MagickaViper
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »For stamina in PvE:
Lover or Shadow mundus stone, Infused Main-hand, Precise Off-hand, Precise Bow. Lover or Shadow depends, its basically 18.3% critical hit damage vs 8.4% overall damage increase. The traits are set in stone however, the BiS is very unlikely to be different from the above.
For stamina in PvP:
As usual it depends on a lot of variables, including your opponents. Sharpened is most likely still the best trait for straight up damage (especially against tanky opponents), Precise and Nirnhoned are pretty good options for both offense and defense.
However: Infused with a Poison Enchant and the Lover Mundus stone is basically a new Viper and if you manage to get enough penetration through your sets and CP, then this may very well be the new "cancer meta".
I'm not too sure about magicka in PvE (probably Precise and the Lover), but I think that for PvP, the same stuff applies as for stamina. #MagickaViper
why precise bow if it will be literally useless when u arive on main bar?
I say Sharp Bow (backbar for magicka peeps as well)
and sharp/infused or sharp/precise on main bar
for magicka peeps maybe even sharp on staff too.
moral of the story: penetration is lower, tho penetration is king
Sharp still King, good try ZOS
... or defending will work...
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »For stamina in PvE:
Lover or Shadow mundus stone, Infused Main-hand, Precise Off-hand, Precise Bow. Lover or Shadow depends, its basically 18.3% critical hit damage vs 8.4% overall damage increase. The traits are set in stone however, the BiS is very unlikely to be different from the above.
For stamina in PvP:
As usual it depends on a lot of variables, including your opponents. Sharpened is most likely still the best trait for straight up damage (especially against tanky opponents), Precise and Nirnhoned are pretty good options for both offense and defense.
However: Infused with a Poison Enchant and the Lover Mundus stone is basically a new Viper and if you manage to get enough penetration through your sets and CP, then this may very well be the new "cancer meta".
I'm not too sure about magicka in PvE (probably Precise and the Lover), but I think that for PvP, the same stuff applies as for stamina. #MagickaViper
why precise bow if it will be literally useless when u arive on main bar?
I say Sharp Bow (backbar for magicka peeps as well)
and sharp/infused or sharp/precise on main bar
for magicka peeps maybe even sharp on staff too.
moral of the story: penetration is lower, tho penetration is king
Sharp still King, good try ZOS
Sharp is useless. You replace sharpened with the Lover. It gives you 4.1k penetration vs 2.7k from sharpened. Sharpened is also useless on the back bar because you'll be overpenetrating on that bar which means you're wasting DPS while on the bow bar (and on most classes you're on the bow bar for about 40-50% of the time). Precise back bar on the other hand ensures that you have an even crit rate on both bars.
Right now on the PTS, I have 80% crit on a Redguard NB without the Thief mundus stone and I have 18k penetration without Sharpened.
Btw, Infused is already better than Sharp in Morrowind, and they are buffing Infused and nerfing Sharp, what does that tell you?
Penetration is important, but Sharp is easily replacable.
Minute_Waltz wrote: »In regards to pve, alkosh must make a return, either via tank or stam dps imo.
10k base (mag, or stam with tfs) with taunt, 3k alkosh, 3k cp, 1.5k crusher, 1.3k pol
mag go precise shadow, stam go infused/precise shadow
Sordidfairytale wrote: »Minute_Waltz wrote: »In regards to pve, alkosh must make a return, either via tank or stam dps imo.
10k base (mag, or stam with tfs) with taunt, 3k alkosh, 3k cp, 1.5k crusher, 1.3k pol
mag go precise shadow, stam go infused/precise shadow
I run a Torug/Alkosh tank.
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »For stamina in PvP:
As usual it depends on a lot of variables, including your opponents. Sharpened is most likely still the best trait for straight up damage (especially against tanky opponents), Precise and Nirnhoned are pretty good options for both offense and defense.
However: Infused with a Poison Enchant and the Lover Mundus stone is basically a new Viper and if you manage to get enough penetration through your sets and CP, then this may very well be the new "cancer meta".
Minute_Waltz wrote: »In regards to pve, alkosh must make a return, either via tank or stam dps imo.
10k base (mag, or stam with tfs) with taunt, 3k alkosh, 3k cp, 1.5k crusher, 1.3k pol
mag go precise shadow, stam go infused/precise shadow
edit: for solo just change shadow to lover
Lets think about this for a second.. from a group perspective.
Choice A ) Sharpened Weapons and Thief = 2.7K pen + (9% + Divines, I dont know this number)
Choice B ) Precise and Lover = 9% crit + 4.1k pen
Theres other choices probably..
Now heres the thing, in Morrowind, lots of Tanks dropped Alkosh because it was unneccesary due to Spell Erosion/Piercing being more frontloaded. Now we lost, ~2.4k pen. If Tanks start using alkosh again. Sharpened + Alkosh = Last patchs Sharpened.
Something to test for group PvE
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »@Rataroto Adding on to what I said in my post answering your post
http://imgur.com/kjzhotC
Infused/Precise front bar, Precise back bar, 5 Hunding's, 5 TFS, 2 Kra'gh, Lover Mundus Stone, about 20 CP into penetration.
^ I'm 99% sure that's the BiS setup! Obviously, Hunding's is replacable with literally any other set, but as far as traits and mundus go, this looks like its sweet.
I also had 250 ping cause EU server Which is probably why its 1.2k behind my best score so far on the current patch!
HatchetHaro wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »@Rataroto Adding on to what I said in my post answering your post
http://imgur.com/kjzhotC
Infused/Precise front bar, Precise back bar, 5 Hunding's, 5 TFS, 2 Kra'gh, Lover Mundus Stone, about 20 CP into penetration.
^ I'm 99% sure that's the BiS setup! Obviously, Hunding's is replacable with literally any other set, but as far as traits and mundus go, this looks like its sweet.
I also had 250 ping cause EU server Which is probably why its 1.2k behind my best score so far on the current patch!
Is that a solo parse or a raid buffed parse?
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »For stamina in PvE:
Lover or Shadow mundus stone, Infused Main-hand, Precise Off-hand, Precise Bow. Lover or Shadow depends, its basically 18.3% critical hit damage vs 8.4% overall damage increase. The traits are set in stone however, the BiS is very unlikely to be different from the above.
For stamina in PvP:
As usual it depends on a lot of variables, including your opponents. Sharpened is most likely still the best trait for straight up damage (especially against tanky opponents), Precise and Nirnhoned are pretty good options for both offense and defense.
However: Infused with a Poison Enchant and the Lover Mundus stone is basically a new Viper and if you manage to get enough penetration through your sets and CP, then this may very well be the new "cancer meta".
I'm not too sure about magicka in PvE (probably Precise and the Lover), but I think that for PvP, the same stuff applies as for stamina. #MagickaViper
why precise bow if it will be literally useless when u arive on main bar?
I say Sharp Bow (backbar for magicka peeps as well)
and sharp/infused or sharp/precise on main bar
for magicka peeps maybe even sharp on staff too.
moral of the story: penetration is lower, tho penetration is king
Sharp still King, good try ZOS
Sharp is useless. You replace sharpened with the Lover. It gives you 4.1k penetration vs 2.7k from sharpened. Sharpened is also useless on the back bar because you'll be overpenetrating on that bar which means you're wasting DPS while on the bow bar (and on most classes you're on the bow bar for about 40-50% of the time). Precise back bar on the other hand ensures that you have an even crit rate on both bars.
Right now on the PTS, I have 80% crit on a Redguard NB without the Thief mundus stone and I have 18k penetration without Sharpened.
Btw, Infused is already better than Sharp in Morrowind, and they are buffing Infused and nerfing Sharp, what does that tell you?
Penetration is important, but Sharp is easily replacable.
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »For stamina in PvE:
Lover or Shadow mundus stone, Infused Main-hand, Precise Off-hand, Precise Bow. Lover or Shadow depends, its basically 18.3% critical hit damage vs 8.4% overall damage increase. The traits are set in stone however, the BiS is very unlikely to be different from the above.
For stamina in PvP:
As usual it depends on a lot of variables, including your opponents. Sharpened is most likely still the best trait for straight up damage (especially against tanky opponents), Precise and Nirnhoned are pretty good options for both offense and defense.
However: Infused with a Poison Enchant and the Lover Mundus stone is basically a new Viper and if you manage to get enough penetration through your sets and CP, then this may very well be the new "cancer meta".
I'm not too sure about magicka in PvE (probably Precise and the Lover), but I think that for PvP, the same stuff applies as for stamina. #MagickaViper
why precise bow if it will be literally useless when u arive on main bar?
I say Sharp Bow (backbar for magicka peeps as well)
and sharp/infused or sharp/precise on main bar
for magicka peeps maybe even sharp on staff too.
moral of the story: penetration is lower, tho penetration is king
Sharp still King, good try ZOS
Sharp is useless. You replace sharpened with the Lover. It gives you 4.1k penetration vs 2.7k from sharpened. Sharpened is also useless on the back bar because you'll be overpenetrating on that bar which means you're wasting DPS while on the bow bar (and on most classes you're on the bow bar for about 40-50% of the time). Precise back bar on the other hand ensures that you have an even crit rate on both bars.
Right now on the PTS, I have 80% crit on a Redguard NB without the Thief mundus stone and I have 18k penetration without Sharpened.
Btw, Infused is already better than Sharp in Morrowind, and they are buffing Infused and nerfing Sharp, what does that tell you?
Penetration is important, but Sharp is easily replacable.
sharp, still, the only, trait, that, caries, over, so backbar still sharp...
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Okay so just tested the Shadow mundus stone.
http://imgur.com/fxVhSZu
5 Hunding's, 5 TFS, 2 Kra'gh, vMA Bow, Infused/Precise front bar, Precise back bar, Shadow mundus.
So basically your choices for mundus stones this patch in PvE on Stam NB are: Lover and Shadow.
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »For stamina in PvE:
Lover or Shadow mundus stone, Infused Main-hand, Precise Off-hand, Precise Bow. Lover or Shadow depends, its basically 18.3% critical hit damage vs 8.4% overall damage increase. The traits are set in stone however, the BiS is very unlikely to be different from the above.
For stamina in PvP:
As usual it depends on a lot of variables, including your opponents. Sharpened is most likely still the best trait for straight up damage (especially against tanky opponents), Precise and Nirnhoned are pretty good options for both offense and defense.
However: Infused with a Poison Enchant and the Lover Mundus stone is basically a new Viper and if you manage to get enough penetration through your sets and CP, then this may very well be the new "cancer meta".
I'm not too sure about magicka in PvE (probably Precise and the Lover), but I think that for PvP, the same stuff applies as for stamina. #MagickaViper
why precise bow if it will be literally useless when u arive on main bar?
I say Sharp Bow (backbar for magicka peeps as well)
and sharp/infused or sharp/precise on main bar
for magicka peeps maybe even sharp on staff too.
moral of the story: penetration is lower, tho penetration is king
Sharp still King, good try ZOS
Sharp is useless. You replace sharpened with the Lover. It gives you 4.1k penetration vs 2.7k from sharpened. Sharpened is also useless on the back bar because you'll be overpenetrating on that bar which means you're wasting DPS while on the bow bar (and on most classes you're on the bow bar for about 40-50% of the time). Precise back bar on the other hand ensures that you have an even crit rate on both bars.
Right now on the PTS, I have 80% crit on a Redguard NB without the Thief mundus stone and I have 18k penetration without Sharpened.
Btw, Infused is already better than Sharp in Morrowind, and they are buffing Infused and nerfing Sharp, what does that tell you?
Penetration is important, but Sharp is easily replacable.
sharp, still, the only, trait, that, caries, over, so backbar still sharp...
Also, on stamina you actually spend a large percentage of your time on the backbar. You need to recast 4 to 5 skills every ~11 seconds which means you are on the backbar some 30-40% of the time.