[EU/PC] Vivec - Can we lock the gates between 12:00 and 06:00 or something please?

leepalmer95

This happens on ps4 eu a lot as well.

Always go into cyrdoiil to a completely night capped map and a 630 emp group of bad players with half of them being healers zerging the map as soon as someone is called out in zone chat.

Pvp is basically dead until like 1pm.

Leandor

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

...the countries between south/north-america(wtf is that area called in English?)....

Latin America.

Etaniel

Magıc wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Most AD guilds don't know how to fight without pugs backing them.

Good point. I think ZS is the only guild who fight away from their own alliance pugs as much as possible on EU.

Which kinda counteracts the whole helping ep to balance factions somewhat.
People actively go fight EP when ZS is between AD and DC because they know they don´t have to encoutner ZS there...

But is that their fault? Or is it the fault of AD guilds and even more so DC guilds (who coincidentally all stack together, in the same keep, at the same time, almost always) who in my time tried to avoid ZS as much as possible because fighting a GvG when outnumbering ZS at a 3:1 ratio at minimum was too difficult for them.

Pugs are pugs, they usually aren't even organised enough to try avoid guilds. They see a keep under attack with just 1 siege on it and the whole population flocks to that 1 keep to defend it.

Well I may be wrong, but it seems to me that ZS usually farms/looks for good fights/whatever and don't really fight to "win" the map. I mean they wouldn't look to farm nikel as EP for example.
In prime time it's actually AD that needs help haha

Taysa

Why don't you play on the brand new CP campaign that was just opened up to appease players like you at the expense of players like me?

Magıc

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Most AD guilds don't know how to fight without pugs backing them.

Good point. I think ZS is the only guild who fight away from their own alliance pugs as much as possible on EU.

Which kinda counteracts the whole helping ep to balance factions somewhat.
People actively go fight EP when ZS is between AD and DC because they know they don´t have to encoutner ZS there...

But is that their fault? Or is it the fault of AD guilds and even more so DC guilds (who coincidentally all stack together, in the same keep, at the same time, almost always) who in my time tried to avoid ZS as much as possible because fighting a GvG when outnumbering ZS at a 3:1 ratio at minimum was too difficult for them.

Pugs are pugs, they usually aren't even organised enough to try avoid guilds. They see a keep under attack with just 1 siege on it and the whole population flocks to that 1 keep to defend it.

Well I may be wrong, but it seems to me that ZS usually farms/looks for good fights/whatever and don't really fight to "win" the map. I mean they wouldn't look to farm nikel as EP for example.
In prime time it's actually AD that needs help haha

Idk whether they're playing EP to help the map or looking for good fights or whatever, I'm no longer in the guild. But it isn't their fault guilds avoid them, pugs don't avoid them all that much.

My point still stands, they're probably the only guild on EU who fight away from pugs as much as possible.

Etaniel

Magıc wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Most AD guilds don't know how to fight without pugs backing them.

Good point. I think ZS is the only guild who fight away from their own alliance pugs as much as possible on EU.

Which kinda counteracts the whole helping ep to balance factions somewhat.
People actively go fight EP when ZS is between AD and DC because they know they don´t have to encoutner ZS there...

But is that their fault? Or is it the fault of AD guilds and even more so DC guilds (who coincidentally all stack together, in the same keep, at the same time, almost always) who in my time tried to avoid ZS as much as possible because fighting a GvG when outnumbering ZS at a 3:1 ratio at minimum was too difficult for them.

Pugs are pugs, they usually aren't even organised enough to try avoid guilds. They see a keep under attack with just 1 siege on it and the whole population flocks to that 1 keep to defend it.

Well I may be wrong, but it seems to me that ZS usually farms/looks for good fights/whatever and don't really fight to "win" the map. I mean they wouldn't look to farm nikel as EP for example.
In prime time it's actually AD that needs help haha

Idk whether they're playing EP to help the map or looking for good fights or whatever, I'm no longer in the guild. But it isn't their fault guilds avoid them, pugs don't avoid them all that much.

My point still stands, they're probably the only guild on EU who fight away from pugs as much as possible.

Maybe the only "large" guild, but there are plenty of smaller guilds who try to run away from the mindless zerging whenever possible. My point was that if they played the map more, maye the opposing guilds who want to play the map as well would be forced to face them at some point. The problem in this game is that you get more rewards from farming clueless players than from fighting for your realm. Strong players/guilds avoid each other whereas they should be competing directly against each other.

ZS fighting on EP or AD is strictly the same in my view, they just farm different color pugs.

GeorgeBlack

If ZOS isn't gonna get involved and implement one of the many solutions that people have asked for, it is up to EP and DC to start winning again.

The question is: where are the EP, where are the DC?
When AD caps the map there are EP and DC playing outside of Cyrodiil.
A great number of them don't care about PvP.
A great number (greater than the 50 AD that conquer the map..) do care about PvP but feel alone, without a proper guild to organize them against the said German(?) AD guild.
I happen to be in a AD only guild (I am EP btw...) because of some friends.
This guild is simple. It likes AD and they want the yellows to win.
All it takes is for a few hardcore EP and DC pvpers to say "we will make a guild and counter the AD morning cap"

Those of you who stay away from Cyro at downtime should stop PvEing, stop doing dailies and farming, stop crafting and surveying the Guild Traders, stop gathering and get organized. Find people that want to play for EP or DC only. Find people that don't care about AP farming. Find people that would pvp only for one side, their Colour of choice. Don't bother with people that "I want to play with my friends from the other alliance". And you have to be persistent. You wont gather 50 people in a month. But hell.. do you wanna go through another 11 months of Bananarama?

If you want EP and DC to win again, save a guild slot for this excact purpose. Downtime PvP fighting. Do your part at the crucial time. Then the rest of the alliance will fight, and you can go PvE, farm, craft, gather, or even go PvP with you toons in another alliance.
But IF you want EP and DC to win again in EU Vivec you must commit to such a Guild and the PvP hours.
(if you play ESO at those hours)

Are there and groups out there that can lead Ebonheart Pact and Daggerfall Covenant during the most meaningful hours of the Campaign?

(if you play at those hours)




PS. The Ebonheart Pact should never form a purple alliance on EU. Kill all smurfs. Kill all bananas

idk

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

If ZOS isn't gonna get involved and implement one of the many solutions that people have asked for, it is up to EP and DC to start winning again.

The question is: where are the EP, where are the DC?
When AD caps the map there are EP and DC playing outside of Cyrodiil.
A great number of them don't care about PvP.
A great number (greater than the 50 AD that conquer the map..) do care about PvP but feel alone, without a proper guild to organize them against the said German(?) AD guild.
I happen to be in a AD only guild (I am EP btw...) because of some friends.
This guild is simple. It likes AD and they want the yellows to win.
All it takes is for a few hardcore EP and DC pvpers to say "we will make a guild and counter the AD morning cap"

Those of you who stay away from Cyro at downtime should stop PvEing, stop doing dailies and farming, stop crafting and surveying the Guild Traders, stop gathering and get organized. Find people that want to play for EP or DC only. Find people that don't care about AP farming. Find people that would pvp only for one side, their Colour of choice. Don't bother with people that "I want to play with my friends from the other alliance". And you have to be persistent. You wont gather 50 people in a month. But hell.. do you wanna go through another 11 months of Bananarama?

If you want EP and DC to win again, save a guild slot for this excact purpose. Downtime PvP fighting. Do your part at the crucial time. Then the rest of the alliance will fight, and you can go PvE, farm, craft, gather, or even go PvP with you toons in another alliance.
But IF you want EP and DC to win again in EU Vivec you must commit to such a Guild and the PvP hours.
(if you play ESO at those hours)

Are there and groups out there that can lead Ebonheart Pact and Daggerfall Covenant during the most meaningful hours of the Campaign?

(if you play at those hours)




PS. The Ebonheart Pact should never form a purple alliance on EU. Kill all smurfs. Kill all bananas

Maybe you should start organizing them and lead them.

prootch

Maybe letting them rot in nikel because seing the same nikel tactic almost every night is more than boring, and rushing into these nightclubs gets to be a lot more boring for an organized group than going south fighting the AD blob on their spawn keeps... or north fighting UF.

Derra wrote: »

Which kinda counteracts the whole helping ep to balance factions somewhat.
People actively go fight EP when ZS is between AD and DC because they know they don´t have to encoutner ZS there...

DC pugs encounter UF around chal gate/bleak/ales farm almost everynight, it's pretty much the same situation: then the blues use to push chally just because they always run in straight line from ales and "ride less" once bleak is taken ^^ not much to do with zs opening a nightclub in nikel or not, especially since they took the habit to stay in there (so the map is just turning around nikel most of the time).

But of course none of the two groups would rush to fight each other xD (ZS/UF)

In the meanwhile DC guilds coordinate attacks on several keeps at the same time which is more than the AD monoblob can handle, also because UF is not playing the map that much. That's why DC still cap emps in prime time, while AD needs the 6am woodemp raid to get any emp chance.

Rin_Senya

prootch wrote: »

But of course none of the two groups would rush to fight each other xD

Idk what you are talking about, I see UF stacking with AD faction to zerg us down every single night!

Derra

Magıc wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Most AD guilds don't know how to fight without pugs backing them.

Good point. I think ZS is the only guild who fight away from their own alliance pugs as much as possible on EU.

Which kinda counteracts the whole helping ep to balance factions somewhat.
People actively go fight EP when ZS is between AD and DC because they know they don´t have to encoutner ZS there...

But is that their fault? Or is it the fault of AD guilds and even more so DC guilds (who coincidentally all stack together, in the same keep, at the same time, almost always) who in my time tried to avoid ZS as much as possible because fighting a GvG when outnumbering ZS at a 3:1 ratio at minimum was too difficult for them.

Pugs are pugs, they usually aren't even organised enough to try avoid guilds. They see a keep under attack with just 1 siege on it and the whole population flocks to that 1 keep to defend it.

Well I may be wrong, but it seems to me that ZS usually farms/looks for good fights/whatever and don't really fight to "win" the map. I mean they wouldn't look to farm nikel as EP for example.
In prime time it's actually AD that needs help haha

Idk whether they're playing EP to help the map or looking for good fights or whatever, I'm no longer in the guild. But it isn't their fault guilds avoid them, pugs don't avoid them all that much.

My point still stands, they're probably the only guild on EU who fight away from pugs as much as possible.

Yeah but in doing that and not really fighting for the map but farming for AP they don´t help the EP faction. People don´t want to fight them so they go where ZS isn´t.

If you really can´t think of a way why it´s on zs why people/guilds don´t want to fight them without outnumbering and pugs idk what to tell you. I know i wouldn´t if i was playing with that amount of people.
The people who could have are in ZS now.

Orchish

Magıc wrote: »

DC last won Vivec/Trueflame when Hexys had guildies flipping resources 2 minutes before scoring (this was towards the end of last year IIRC). And even then, DC just about won. After that campaign, and even before that campaign, AD has won every campaign by a stupid amount of points. I doubt Zos will ever do anything, even though it is ridiculous.

I do remember that time, i have been playing since release and that is the only time i ever remember DC winning the main populated campaign. For the past year AD have won with no competition at all. They are pop-locked early morning and late night, besides having more numbers they also have more organised guilds. The current campaign was over on day 1 and it's pretty much been this way for as long as i can remember now. Usually DC are simply fighting with EP for second place, but EP seem to have dropped in numbers recently and only seem able to do anything during prime time when they double team either AD or DC.

Closing the campaign won't happen and it's a bad suggestion, people play at different times from around the world. Yet, something does need to be done. It's not fun anymore and it would be nice to actually have a competitive campaign where it remains close to the end for once.

prootch

AD having more organized groups... just rofl ^^ ... seeing that monoblob running around all day long does not show much organization.Appart from UF (who sometimes depack), could you name one that would not run in the AD monoblob all evening long ... just for fun.

Selective memory. DC stopped caring for campaign score last year spring/summer since the 6am woodcap began when some well known ADs switched from azura. Before woodcap began, DC guilds did sometimes care for scoring.

@GeorgeBlack
Sure... where are DC and EP ? they do have a live and either sleep or prepare to go working so fighting @6am is not an option... there are not 50 AD woodcaping at this hour, more or less 15-20. In the past DC did have some no life players fighting them early morning, but most rerolled on the other side to join the fray and get AP on empty keeps.

The "most meaningfull hour" of the campaign remains prime time and. In prime time AD gets mostly wiped to spawn.

MLRPZ

prootch wrote: »

But of course none of the two groups would rush to fight each other xD (ZS/UF)

We usually fight them. they just either avoid us or zerg us down after we wipe them a couple times.


And to answer Etaniel, Even tho the main point of us playing EP is not to help them win the campaign, I think we have a fairly good impact on how the map looks like when we're on. EP is usually able to push on their side cause we get focused a lot by DC and AD around Roe/nikel, more space for our pugs to take BRK/DRAKE/ALESSIA usually.

MLRPZ

prootch wrote: »

AD having more organized groups... just ^^ seeing that monoblob running around does not show much organization.
Appart from UF, could you name some, just for fun.

Selective memory. DC stopped caring for campaign score last summer since the 6am woodcap began when some well known ADs switched from azura. Before woodcap DC did care to win campaigns

UF (obviously), Team Masenko, Loki's guard. that's at least 3 organised group that like to pugsurf, and I might be missing one or two

prootch

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

MLRPZ

prootch wrote: »

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

+ I think @Nermy said Wabba will prob move to shor ?

prootch

Well, considering the queue, It's an option. But it seems quite empty atm.

Nermy

MLRPZ wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

+ I think @Nermy said Wabba will prob move to shor ?

We're trying it out for all the reasons that have been posted on this page. It's actually quite nice, more peaceful shall we say. Biggest zerg is about 12-16+ and some very good solo PvP players. I'm enjoying the change of pace and while AD/DC are emp swapping like mad, EP are winning the campaign. We haven't moved the whole guild there, just seeing what it's like. Some WJs are still fighting on Vivec.

@GeorgeBlack I have tried to recruit and get members to form morning groups but nothing ever comes of it. I also know guys who have formed EP alliance guilds to get group leaders coordinating for the map but the zergs win and for some reason, and I have no idea why *rolls eyes*, people want to play AD and ruin Vivec.

GeorgeBlack

Nermy wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

+ I think @Nermy said Wabba will prob move to shor ?

We're trying it out for all the reasons that have been posted on this page. It's actually quite nice, more peaceful shall we say. Biggest zerg is about 12-16+ and some very good solo PvP players. I'm enjoying the change of pace and while AD/DC are emp swapping like mad, EP are winning the campaign. We haven't moved the whole guild there, just seeing what it's like. Some WJs are still fighting on Vivec.

@GeorgeBlack I have tried to recruit and get members to form morning groups but nothing ever comes of it. I also know guys who have formed EP alliance guilds to get group leaders coordinating for the map but the zergs win and for some reason, and I have no idea why *rolls eyes*, people want to play AD and ruin Vivec.

Since 90% of the people have toons in every alliance they CAN'T POSSIBLY FEEL THE NEED to play for EP or DC or AD, even more so when they are on the losing side, when the winning side provides them with good AP farm with which they can buy stuff for the said toons.
People prefer to build and test toons, and maybe even make 1vX videos. What better place to do that than the winning side of the campaign.

The game itself doesn't support AvAvA. Its a poorly designed concept where alliance loyalty means nothing and doesn't translate to any actual rewards. The mistake which ZOS made when they locked races into specific factions, made people leave their first Alliance when they wanted to test a new toon and in the process made new friends in other alliances. GL taking that away from them now in the age of entitlement.
If the game started with a lock in one alliance for the whole account, while making all races available to all factions AvAvA would have been solid.

I haven't played wow in which I understand it's the Hord vs the Alliance. In other mmorpgs however. which there are no forced wars, loyalty in the Guild and its members leads to fun PvP experiences.
Cyrodiil is a giant battleground in which everyone is in it for themselves/group of friends. Not an Alliance.

Etaniel

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

+ I think @Nermy said Wabba will prob move to shor ?

We're trying it out for all the reasons that have been posted on this page. It's actually quite nice, more peaceful shall we say. Biggest zerg is about 12-16+ and some very good solo PvP players. I'm enjoying the change of pace and while AD/DC are emp swapping like mad, EP are winning the campaign. We haven't moved the whole guild there, just seeing what it's like. Some WJs are still fighting on Vivec.

@GeorgeBlack I have tried to recruit and get members to form morning groups but nothing ever comes of it. I also know guys who have formed EP alliance guilds to get group leaders coordinating for the map but the zergs win and for some reason, and I have no idea why *rolls eyes*, people want to play AD and ruin Vivec.

Since 90% of the people have toons in every alliance they CAN'T POSSIBLY FEEL THE NEED to play for EP or DC or AD, even more so when they are on the losing side, when the winning side provides them with good AP farm with which they can buy stuff for the said toons.
People prefer to build and test toons, and maybe even make 1vX videos. What better place to do that than the winning side of the campaign.

It's actually 100% the opposite.
If you want to 1vX, you play on the underdog faction, same goes for AP, you play where there is the least of "friendly" competition diminishing the AP you get from kills. Also, the more opponents, the less "zero ap" targets you will get. DO you even play PvP?

GeorgeBlack

Etaniel wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

+ I think @Nermy said Wabba will prob move to shor ?

We're trying it out for all the reasons that have been posted on this page. It's actually quite nice, more peaceful shall we say. Biggest zerg is about 12-16+ and some very good solo PvP players. I'm enjoying the change of pace and while AD/DC are emp swapping like mad, EP are winning the campaign. We haven't moved the whole guild there, just seeing what it's like. Some WJs are still fighting on Vivec.

@GeorgeBlack I have tried to recruit and get members to form morning groups but nothing ever comes of it. I also know guys who have formed EP alliance guilds to get group leaders coordinating for the map but the zergs win and for some reason, and I have no idea why *rolls eyes*, people want to play AD and ruin Vivec.

Since 90% of the people have toons in every alliance they CAN'T POSSIBLY FEEL THE NEED to play for EP or DC or AD, even more so when they are on the losing side, when the winning side provides them with good AP farm with which they can buy stuff for the said toons.
People prefer to build and test toons, and maybe even make 1vX videos. What better place to do that than the winning side of the campaign.

It's actually 100% the opposite.
If you want to 1vX, you play on the underdog faction, same goes for AP, you play where there is the least of "friendly" competition diminishing the AP you get from kills. Also, the more opponents, the less "zero ap" targets you will get. DO you even play PvP?

Only if you believe that people are honourable enough to make 1vX taking on the winners. I myself believe that people are shallow and they take the easiest path that will depict them as good players in these videos. The AvAvA is in a bad state because ZOS failed to predict how selfish people are and were very loose with the easy at which one account can switch sides.

And that is why we have the complains that we have.
Would you care to share with us how AP farming and 1vX videos help win Campaigns? Would you care to share how 1vXers post videos in which they turn the tide of a campaign?
Would you care to show us a few videos from the POW of a good 1vXer going up against a group that wins the Campaign for it's Alliance?

Biro123

Derra wrote: »

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD IS STRONG!
AD IS POWERFUL?
AD IS INVINCIBLE *

ad is russia in ww2. throwing a lot of people at a problem.

Did you just call DC 'a problem'?

Glamdring

Alucardo wrote: »

Glamdring wrote: »

@Alucardo, are u AD? since DC nightcaps almost every night.

Every time DC has capped the map, the population has always been the same. When AD does it, they are 1 or 2 bars ahead of everyone else.

Thats just complete BS, but if it make u feel good to think so then go ahead.

Alucardo

Glamdring wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Glamdring wrote: »

@Alucardo, are u AD? since DC nightcaps almost every night.

Every time DC has capped the map, the population has always been the same. When AD does it, they are 1 or 2 bars ahead of everyone else.

Thats just complete BS, but if it make u feel good to think so then go ahead.

I knew some AD fanboy would say that. So I took a few screenshots last night because it was just too good to pass up.

So here's the map



And here's the pop which was taken at the same time



The only time AD even have a remote chance of winning anything is if they steamroll their opponents with greater numbers, like they do in the early mornings when everyone else is sleeping.

Biro123

Alucardo wrote: »

Glamdring wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Glamdring wrote: »

@Alucardo, are u AD? since DC nightcaps almost every night.

Every time DC has capped the map, the population has always been the same. When AD does it, they are 1 or 2 bars ahead of everyone else.

Thats just complete BS, but if it make u feel good to think so then go ahead.

I knew some AD fanboy would say that. So I took a few screenshots last night because it was just too good to pass up.

So here's the map



And here's the pop which was taken at the same time



The only time AD even have a remote chance of winning anything is if they steamroll their opponents with greater numbers, like they do in the early mornings when everyone else is sleeping.

And the fact that this still wins the campaign is what's messed up.

The fact that no matter what the majority of players do (the prime-timers) - its the minority (the pvdoor-ers) who decide the winner.

The fact that that leads to a whole state of pointlessness for the majority of players.. Why bother playing for the campaign when you can't make the blindest bit of difference with the playtimes you have?

I can't speak for everyone, but I honestly find the best time to play in Vivec is around (just after) lunchtime - when the AD PVdoor-ers still seem to be on, but DC have built up an equal sized opposition - its a great time to take out a bit of revenge (what else is there to play for? Not the campaign obviously) - and its soo easy to do! They drop like flies - its great!

Etaniel

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

+ I think @Nermy said Wabba will prob move to shor ?

We're trying it out for all the reasons that have been posted on this page. It's actually quite nice, more peaceful shall we say. Biggest zerg is about 12-16+ and some very good solo PvP players. I'm enjoying the change of pace and while AD/DC are emp swapping like mad, EP are winning the campaign. We haven't moved the whole guild there, just seeing what it's like. Some WJs are still fighting on Vivec.

@GeorgeBlack I have tried to recruit and get members to form morning groups but nothing ever comes of it. I also know guys who have formed EP alliance guilds to get group leaders coordinating for the map but the zergs win and for some reason, and I have no idea why *rolls eyes*, people want to play AD and ruin Vivec.

Since 90% of the people have toons in every alliance they CAN'T POSSIBLY FEEL THE NEED to play for EP or DC or AD, even more so when they are on the losing side, when the winning side provides them with good AP farm with which they can buy stuff for the said toons.
People prefer to build and test toons, and maybe even make 1vX videos. What better place to do that than the winning side of the campaign.

It's actually 100% the opposite.
If you want to 1vX, you play on the underdog faction, same goes for AP, you play where there is the least of "friendly" competition diminishing the AP you get from kills. Also, the more opponents, the less "zero ap" targets you will get. DO you even play PvP?

Only if you believe that people are honourable enough to make 1vX taking on the winners. I myself believe that people are shallow and they take the easiest path that will depict them as good players in these videos. The AvAvA is in a bad state because ZOS failed to predict how selfish people are and were very loose with the easy at which one account can switch sides.

And that is why we have the complains that we have.
Would you care to share with us how AP farming and 1vX videos help win Campaigns? Would you care to share how 1vXers post videos in which they turn the tide of a campaign?
Would you care to show us a few videos from the POW of a good 1vXer going up against a group that wins the Campaign for it's Alliance?

I never said 1vXers care about winning the campaign, that's the whole point. They play on the losing faction because that's where you get the most inc. They mostyl don't give a rat's ass about winning the campaign or helping their faction. Same goes for AP farmers. The whole point is to farm AP hence their name, not to win a campaign..

Is AP farming easy when your faction dominnates the map? No. Is it easy when you have one keep and all enemies flock to it ? yes

GeorgeBlack

Etaniel wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

+ I think @Nermy said Wabba will prob move to shor ?

We're trying it out for all the reasons that have been posted on this page. It's actually quite nice, more peaceful shall we say. Biggest zerg is about 12-16+ and some very good solo PvP players. I'm enjoying the change of pace and while AD/DC are emp swapping like mad, EP are winning the campaign. We haven't moved the whole guild there, just seeing what it's like. Some WJs are still fighting on Vivec.

@GeorgeBlack I have tried to recruit and get members to form morning groups but nothing ever comes of it. I also know guys who have formed EP alliance guilds to get group leaders coordinating for the map but the zergs win and for some reason, and I have no idea why *rolls eyes*, people want to play AD and ruin Vivec.

Since 90% of the people have toons in every alliance they CAN'T POSSIBLY FEEL THE NEED to play for EP or DC or AD, even more so when they are on the losing side, when the winning side provides them with good AP farm with which they can buy stuff for the said toons.
People prefer to build and test toons, and maybe even make 1vX videos. What better place to do that than the winning side of the campaign.

It's actually 100% the opposite.
If you want to 1vX, you play on the underdog faction, same goes for AP, you play where there is the least of "friendly" competition diminishing the AP you get from kills. Also, the more opponents, the less "zero ap" targets you will get. DO you even play PvP?

Only if you believe that people are honourable enough to make 1vX taking on the winners. I myself believe that people are shallow and they take the easiest path that will depict them as good players in these videos. The AvAvA is in a bad state because ZOS failed to predict how selfish people are and were very loose with the easy at which one account can switch sides.

And that is why we have the complains that we have.
Would you care to share with us how AP farming and 1vX videos help win Campaigns? Would you care to share how 1vXers post videos in which they turn the tide of a campaign?
Would you care to show us a few videos from the POW of a good 1vXer going up against a group that wins the Campaign for it's Alliance?

I never said 1vXers care about winning the campaign, that's the whole point. They play on the losing faction because that's where you get the most inc. They mostyl don't give a rat's ass about winning the campaign or helping their faction. Same goes for AP farmers. The whole point is to farm AP hence their name, not to win a campaign..

Is AP farming easy when your faction dominnates the map? No. Is it easy when you have one keep and all enemies flock to it ? yes

My point was that AvAvA is a bad design due to relaxed structures which failed to address selfish and harmful behavior from the players to the game which only look after their own personal interests.

Now you wanna start a big discussion about whether I am wrong about which side AP farmers play on?
Is AvAvA in a bad place? Yes.
Should ZOS so smthg about it?
Yes but they don't seem to care.
Is it up to the people to do smtg about it?
Ye fight back instead of joining the AP farmers.





Do AP farmers play on the losing side?
No. They farm AP, climb the ladder and enjoy the rewards of victory at the end of the Campaign.


Do you wanna get back to the topic or should we talk more about where the AP farmers are playing, instead of discussing the state of AvAvA and EU Vivec AD early capping?

Master_Kas

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

+ I think @Nermy said Wabba will prob move to shor ?

We're trying it out for all the reasons that have been posted on this page. It's actually quite nice, more peaceful shall we say. Biggest zerg is about 12-16+ and some very good solo PvP players. I'm enjoying the change of pace and while AD/DC are emp swapping like mad, EP are winning the campaign. We haven't moved the whole guild there, just seeing what it's like. Some WJs are still fighting on Vivec.

@GeorgeBlack I have tried to recruit and get members to form morning groups but nothing ever comes of it. I also know guys who have formed EP alliance guilds to get group leaders coordinating for the map but the zergs win and for some reason, and I have no idea why *rolls eyes*, people want to play AD and ruin Vivec.

Since 90% of the people have toons in every alliance they CAN'T POSSIBLY FEEL THE NEED to play for EP or DC or AD, even more so when they are on the losing side, when the winning side provides them with good AP farm with which they can buy stuff for the said toons.
People prefer to build and test toons, and maybe even make 1vX videos. What better place to do that than the winning side of the campaign.

It's actually 100% the opposite.
If you want to 1vX, you play on the underdog faction, same goes for AP, you play where there is the least of "friendly" competition diminishing the AP you get from kills. Also, the more opponents, the less "zero ap" targets you will get. DO you even play PvP?

Only if you believe that people are honourable enough to make 1vX taking on the winners. I myself believe that people are shallow and they take the easiest path that will depict them as good players in these videos. The AvAvA is in a bad state because ZOS failed to predict how selfish people are and were very loose with the easy at which one account can switch sides.

And that is why we have the complains that we have.
Would you care to share with us how AP farming and 1vX videos help win Campaigns? Would you care to share how 1vXers post videos in which they turn the tide of a campaign?
Would you care to show us a few videos from the POW of a good 1vXer going up against a group that wins the Campaign for it's Alliance?

I never said 1vXers care about winning the campaign, that's the whole point. They play on the losing faction because that's where you get the most inc. They mostyl don't give a rat's ass about winning the campaign or helping their faction. Same goes for AP farmers. The whole point is to farm AP hence their name, not to win a campaign..

Is AP farming easy when your faction dominnates the map? No. Is it easy when you have one keep and all enemies flock to it ? yes

My point was that AvAvA is a bad design due to relaxed structures and selfish behavior from the players which only look after their own personal interests.

Now you wanna start a big discussion about whether I am wrong about which side AP farmers play on or whether I'm right.
Is AvAvA in a bad place? Yes.
Should ZOS so smthg about it?
Yes but they don't seem to care.
Is it up to the people to do smyhg about it?
Ye fight back instead of joining the AP farmers.





Do AP farmers play on the losing side?
No. They farm AP, climb the ladder and enjoy the rewards of victory at the end of the Campaign.


Do you wanna get back to the topic or should we talk more about where the AP farmers are playing, instead of discussing the state of AvAvA and EU Vivec AD early capping?

Can farm AP even on the zerging faction confirmed

Edit: Messed up the quote.

idk

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

So that's clearly not "more organized AD groups"in prime time ... we mostly have to hunt them on their spawn keeps to find them. And very often they would stay on Alessia camping whether they still have emp or not/whether they loose their spawn keeps or not. Then... no wonder they don't depack much, appart from UF.

Now as far as ZS involvement is concerned, the nikel nightclub sure focalizes both some AD/DC pugs, just like UF does in ales/bleak/chally. It does not do much for the map as DC pugs still push chally "naturally" and AD pugs do come to nikel with the same "less ride" impulse. Then DC guilds mostly go around the nightclub for AD keeps. Yet playing EP remains the best move of ZS these days, considering the low number of EP orga groups atm.

+ I think @Nermy said Wabba will prob move to shor ?

We're trying it out for all the reasons that have been posted on this page. It's actually quite nice, more peaceful shall we say. Biggest zerg is about 12-16+ and some very good solo PvP players. I'm enjoying the change of pace and while AD/DC are emp swapping like mad, EP are winning the campaign. We haven't moved the whole guild there, just seeing what it's like. Some WJs are still fighting on Vivec.

@GeorgeBlack I have tried to recruit and get members to form morning groups but nothing ever comes of it. I also know guys who have formed EP alliance guilds to get group leaders coordinating for the map but the zergs win and for some reason, and I have no idea why *rolls eyes*, people want to play AD and ruin Vivec.

Since 90% of the people have toons in every alliance they CAN'T POSSIBLY FEEL THE NEED to play for EP or DC or AD, even more so when they are on the losing side, when the winning side provides them with good AP farm with which they can buy stuff for the said toons.
People prefer to build and test toons, and maybe even make 1vX videos. What better place to do that than the winning side of the campaign.

It's actually 100% the opposite.
If you want to 1vX, you play on the underdog faction, same goes for AP, you play where there is the least of "friendly" competition diminishing the AP you get from kills. Also, the more opponents, the less "zero ap" targets you will get. DO you even play PvP?

Only if you believe that people are honourable enough to make 1vX taking on the winners. I myself believe that people are shallow and they take the easiest path that will depict them as good players in these videos. The AvAvA is in a bad state because ZOS failed to predict how selfish people are and were very loose with the easy at which one account can switch sides.

And that is why we have the complains that we have.
Would you care to share with us how AP farming and 1vX videos help win Campaigns? Would you care to share how 1vXers post videos in which they turn the tide of a campaign?
Would you care to show us a few videos from the POW of a good 1vXer going up against a group that wins the Campaign for it's Alliance?

I never said 1vXers care about winning the campaign, that's the whole point. They play on the losing faction because that's where you get the most inc. They mostyl don't give a rat's ass about winning the campaign or helping their faction. Same goes for AP farmers. The whole point is to farm AP hence their name, not to win a campaign..

Is AP farming easy when your faction dominnates the map? No. Is it easy when you have one keep and all enemies flock to it ? yes

My point was that AvAvA is a bad design due to relaxed structures which failed to address selfish and harmful behavior from the players to the game which only look after their own personal interests.

Now you wanna start a big discussion about whether I am wrong about which side AP farmers play on?
Is AvAvA in a bad place? Yes.
Should ZOS so smthg about it?
Yes but they don't seem to care.
Is it up to the people to do smtg about it?
Ye fight back instead of joining the AP farmers.





Do AP farmers play on the losing side?
No. They farm AP, climb the ladder and enjoy the rewards of victory at the end of the Campaign.


Do you wanna get back to the topic or should we talk more about where the AP farmers are playing, instead of discussing the state of AvAvA and EU Vivec AD early capping?

Why do you continue arguing about something off the topic of this thread and finish it with asking if the person your arguing with wants to get back on topic?

Besides, you don't even mention th biggest issue on Cyrodiil and the main driver why campaigns lack the population they had 3 years ago.