[EU/PC] Vivec - Can we lock the gates between 12:00 and 06:00 or something please?

Rianai

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Player behaviour causes population imbalance.

And game design can influence player behaviour. Right now there is no mechanism that promotes population balance. The game basically encourages players to join the winning side. Just look at scroll/emp boni for example. Yes, they are not huge (well, except for the player who is emp), but still, how can it be a good idea to buff the already dominating faction? Wouldn't it make more sense if it was the opposite?

I like the idea of dynamic population caps, as long it is implemented properly and without bugs and exploit options. Or maybe stronger or even "locked" home-/gatekeeps for the outnumbered faction(s), so the dominating side can't take the whole map without resistance.

I don't think there is an easy way to fix population imbalances and certainly no perfect solution, but i think it is possible to improve the situation, if things change. And because a player can't change what other players are doing, the responsibility is on ZoS. They can change their game, and as a result - change player behaviour. At least to some extent.

melloni_aleb16_ESO

Rianai wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Player behaviour causes population imbalance.

...... And because a player can't change what other players are doing, the responsibility is on ZoS. They can change their game, and as a result - change player behaviour. At least to some extent.

sure ...Zos could put a malus for a most populated faction .

Anyway , players can do something , there are hundreds of players with char in all three factions, but they stubbornly play yellow-char on Vivec EU .

After months of unconditional yellow-zerg ..I found the solution, I play only 2 hours a week

AhPook_Is_Here

ZoS please make the earth flat so it will be the same time for everyone and we can all enjoy this game during the same hours.

prootch

lulz fanboi is here

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

No oceanic people on EU? That's a big lie. I know a lot of aussies currently playing on EU-server, ...

Just for fun, do just name some guilds who would actually be fighting wood at 6am (I sure would like to know about any aussie guild on PC EU ^^), appart from that german guild everyone knows about.

6am cap is the reason why the campaign score has got no interest for over a year. Last campaign DC actually "played" was when astrum and blackswords systematically syncronized the capture of - all - AD spawn keep ressources before ticks... during last summer holydays (so people were available in daytime). It was totally boring pvp wise but it did the job. It would not work anymore now, as a majority of pvpers are not even loging in day time on vivec, partly due to this crap woodcap and partly due to the AD blob def camping all in one keep until 5pm when DC groups finally arrive (EP prefering widely to overstack in Sotha Sil).

Now in the end who really cares since AD also gets pushed to spawn every prime time and DC is the organized enough to cap emp in prime time atm. But it's getting even worse than AD breaking empty keeps doors to woodemp everymorning : AD shows less and less defence capacity in prime time... and just comes back with groups after midnight when DC raids off.

Basically ridiculous... from 6am woodcap to 1-2am nightcap...

Solution... the capture of empty keeps should not award any ap/campaign score. It would not solve the "no def" issue in "low hours", but it would certainly limit the number of ridiculous woodfighters.

New pvp map zones control should be needed for emp capture (with a score according to the number of captured zones), not only the 6 central keeps which always ends all factions on the last emp keep lag feast: it would depack fights, provide pvp playground for groups of different sizes and offer diversified tactical and strategic choices for emp capture.

Making all cyrodiil map zones capturable and accouting for emp would mean better AvA all over the map.
Making sure no one gets reward for empty keep capture would be healthy, even if it would not stop woodemp wanabes.

Azurya

This is a MMO for people around the world, so take it the way it is, people from around the world are on the server during I am working, eating and sleeping, and what is wrong with that????
All should wait for master @Alucardo to start his morning exercises? why should gamers around the world wanting to wait for you to start? and doing during their daytime nothing? I played an MMO in Asia, in time we from Europe had Primetime the Asians were sleeping, so what??
Think reasonable, act reasonable and learn to accept the fact that the real worls is a globe with many different timezones!!!

Derra

Azurya wrote: »

This is a MMO for people around the world, so take it the way it is, people from around the world are on the server during I am working, eating and sleeping, and what is wrong with that????
All should wait for master @Alucardo to start his morning exercises? why should gamers around the world wanting to wait for you to start? and doing during their daytime nothing? I played an MMO in Asia, in time we from Europe had Primetime the Asians were sleeping, so what??
Think reasonable, act reasonable and learn to accept the fact that the real worls is a globe with many different timezones!!!

Pretty simple. It´s harmful for the games pvp future when there is not atleast semi competetive pvp possible in cyrodiil during all hours.
People want to play when they want to play. You´re right with that.
Currently that is not possible when you´re DC or EP on a usual morning.

Thus people go AD making the problem progressively worse or they log out (which also makes the problem worse). Ultimately we´ll end up with no campaign where people can play during off hours.
If that happens people that mainly play during the day will simply stop playing (this is true for every faction because at a point where no enemies show up anymore it won´t be fun for ad aswell).

Biro123

The campaign is basically a joke when the side that gets hammered at primetime every day is the side that wins every time.

It may have been June last year when the last time DC won was, but even then it was a 1-off.

Since I started playing, I don't think I've ever seen AD not win. Ever.

It wouldn't be such a problem if the woodcapping faction just logged in when they could and played. Its a problem when they not only outnumber others by a factor of 5, but are organised, keeping watchers in all captured keeps then instantly all port there to zerg down the handful of opposition.
This just makes other players log off making it take longer and longer for any credible resistance to build up.
They play like its a job and not for fun. And its killing off the game for everyone who just wants to have fun.

It has to stop. I'd ban them all for trolling. From the whole internet. Forever.

NBrookus

I'm guessing the EU guilds would rather play 30 day CP, but you aren't having a competitive campaign anyway. Now that 7 day CP has returned, isn't that an option for you to all move?

It doesn't sound like this AD guild will even notice except for having fewer non-yellow keeps to PvDoor.

Valencer

Azurya wrote: »

This is a MMO for people around the world, so take it the way it is, people from around the world are on the server during I am working, eating and sleeping, and what is wrong with that????
All should wait for master @Alucardo to start his morning exercises? why should gamers around the world wanting to wait for you to start? and doing during their daytime nothing? I played an MMO in Asia, in time we from Europe had Primetime the Asians were sleeping, so what??
Think reasonable, act reasonable and learn to accept the fact that the real worls is a globe with many different timezones!!!

There's obviously no problem with people logging on for some good PvP action whenever they want to.

That's not what's happening though - people are logging on in the off-hours to stack in 1 alliance and roll over the whole map unopposed.There's not much actual PvP involved. That is the problem.

The solution is easy - if people wanted actual good PvP they'd just play on a different alliance during their preferred playtimes. ZOS made that particularly easy by removing all campaign restrictions from alts on different alliances. Again, that's not what ends up happening because people don't want good PvP and just want to roll over the whole map zerging everything down.

There's 3 alliances. People can play on any alliance they want, no restrictions. People are making a deliberate choice to all stack in the biggest one outside of prime time. Campaign is a joke as a result of this behaviour that ZOS actively (but perhaps unintentionally) encourages. It's been this way for more or less 1 year now on PC EU which is really unacceptable...

elfantasmo

Was hört ihr, ich kann diese Sprache nicht verstehen ...

No i'm not talking about English, since I am from London (note intended sarcasm - check my sig). I am talking about bulls**t, I don't talk this language. Seems like a lot of cry from certain cry boys, based on no particular solid fact. AD is nothing but PUG and Headless at this time, there is no organised guild raiding. If the guild do come at this time then we will do nothing but keep ASH and BRK RES yellow. Since you want to call people out, come and login to AD and check. If you want to remove PVP from this time, then we can remove PVP from 12am to 4am when all DC TS Organised raids are night capping then?

Perhaps you might want to look inside your faction for campaign loss root cause before looking outside your faction... also why do all the new players and casual daytime players roll AD... could it be the something to do with the appeal of DC/EP based on the elitism of the high level players?

Valencer

You're delusional

Agrippa_Invisus

Valencer wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

This is a MMO for people around the world, so take it the way it is, people from around the world are on the server during I am working, eating and sleeping, and what is wrong with that????
All should wait for master @Alucardo to start his morning exercises? why should gamers around the world wanting to wait for you to start? and doing during their daytime nothing? I played an MMO in Asia, in time we from Europe had Primetime the Asians were sleeping, so what??
Think reasonable, act reasonable and learn to accept the fact that the real worls is a globe with many different timezones!!!

There's obviously no problem with people logging on for some good PvP action whenever they want to.

That's not what's happening though - people are logging on in the off-hours to stack in 1 alliance and roll over the whole map unopposed.There's not much actual PvP involved. That is the problem.

The solution is easy - if people wanted actual good PvP they'd just play on a different alliance during their preferred playtimes. ZOS made that particularly easy by removing all campaign restrictions from alts on different alliances. Again, that's not what ends up happening because people don't want good PvP and just want to roll over the whole map zerging everything down.

There's 3 alliances. People can play on any alliance they want, no restrictions. People are making a deliberate choice to all stack in the biggest one outside of prime time. Campaign is a joke as a result of this behaviour that ZOS actively (but perhaps unintentionally) encourages. It's been this way for more or less 1 year now on PC EU which is really unacceptable...

The answer to this, as I've espoused for some time now, is dynamic population locks. Tie the max population to the current lowest population's current numbers. As more of that lowest pop log in and queue up, more of the higher population can join as well.

This forces players that stack all in one faction to either a) wait their turn, b) wait until more opponents log in, or c) swap to toons in the other factions to make the faction populations more even.

Magıc

elfantasmo wrote: »

Was hört ihr, ich kann diese Sprache nicht verstehen ...

No i'm not talking about English, since I am from London (note intended sarcasm - check my sig). I am talking about bulls**t, I don't talk this language. Seems like a lot of cry from certain cry boys, based on no particular solid fact. AD is nothing but PUG and Headless at this time, there is no organised guild raiding. If the guild do come at this time then we will do nothing but keep ASH and BRK RES yellow. Since you want to call people out, come and login to AD and check. If you want to remove PVP from this time, then we can remove PVP from 12am to 4am when all DC TS Organised raids are night capping then?

Perhaps you might want to look inside your faction for campaign loss root cause before looking outside your faction... also why do all the new players and casual daytime players roll AD... could it be the something to do with the appeal of DC/EP based on the elitism of the high level players?

I can't tell if you're trolling or not. He has a guild, he even ADMITS that his guild caps the map because 'it's for the campaign' at 5AM......

disintegr8

I am against any sort of population locks which might restrict my access to PVP - I am in Australia and during the week would always be trying to get in during the lockout times. With there only being 2 choices of server, those 2 have to cater for the global player base, not just local players.

While I do not agree with guilds or factions steamrolling through the map while others sleep, the innocent player base that would be adversely impacted would far outnumber the guilty players and the players who are complaining about it.

For my part, when I am on I do what I can to assist the alliance I am logged onto, but once I log off I don't really care and can do nothing about what happens. To think that ZOS should implement changes to make sure my alliance is not overrun while I am asleep is ludicrous.

Iyas

disintegr8 wrote: »

I am against any sort of population locks which might restrict my access to PVP - I am in Australia and during the week would always be trying to get in during the lockout times. With there only being 2 choices of server, those 2 have to cater for the global player base, not just local players.

While I do not agree with guilds or factions steamrolling through the map while others sleep, the innocent player base that would be adversely impacted would far outnumber the guilty players and the players who are complaining about it.

For my part, when I am on I do what I can to assist the alliance I am logged onto, but once I log off I don't really care and can do nothing about what happens. To think that ZOS should implement changes to make sure my alliance is not overrun while I am asleep is ludicrous.

To have a game where the campaign is decided by the best night/morning cap isnt a very balanced game. And look at the EU history. That is a joke

disintegr8

Iyas wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I am against any sort of population locks which might restrict my access to PVP - I am in Australia and during the week would always be trying to get in during the lockout times. With there only being 2 choices of server, those 2 have to cater for the global player base, not just local players.

While I do not agree with guilds or factions steamrolling through the map while others sleep, the innocent player base that would be adversely impacted would far outnumber the guilty players and the players who are complaining about it.

For my part, when I am on I do what I can to assist the alliance I am logged onto, but once I log off I don't really care and can do nothing about what happens. To think that ZOS should implement changes to make sure my alliance is not overrun while I am asleep is ludicrous.

To have a game where the campaign is decided by the best night/morning cap isnt a very balanced game. And look at the EU history. That is a joke

Maybe I realize that this is only a game and the outcome of any campaign does not really impact me. What does it really matter who won the last campaign, or the one before that - at the end of the campaign you start again. Nor do I care who has been, currently is or might become Emperor - it has no impact on me.

There are plenty of imbalances all through the whole game, but it is just a game.

Iyas

disintegr8 wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I am against any sort of population locks which might restrict my access to PVP - I am in Australia and during the week would always be trying to get in during the lockout times. With there only being 2 choices of server, those 2 have to cater for the global player base, not just local players.

While I do not agree with guilds or factions steamrolling through the map while others sleep, the innocent player base that would be adversely impacted would far outnumber the guilty players and the players who are complaining about it.

For my part, when I am on I do what I can to assist the alliance I am logged onto, but once I log off I don't really care and can do nothing about what happens. To think that ZOS should implement changes to make sure my alliance is not overrun while I am asleep is ludicrous.

To have a game where the campaign is decided by the best night/morning cap isnt a very balanced game. And look at the EU history. That is a joke

Maybe I realize that this is only a game and the outcome of any campaign does not really impact me. What does it really matter who won the last campaign, or the one before that - at the end of the campaign you start again. Nor do I care who has been, currently is or might become Emperor - it has no impact on me.

There are plenty of imbalances all through the whole game, but it is just a game.

You said it: its only a game. But I cant play the game from 08am til 16 am because there is nothing I could do against 30 ppl deffing every keep..I mean I have 2 options:

- log on an AD char and join the zerg or
- Log off and play something else

Guess what I do. From an economic perspective the 2nd option shouldnt be there

leeux

Best option IMHO would be to raise the defenders stats (both NPCs and players) in inverse proportion to the population relation, so defenders with lower pops gets a boost and vice-versa.

But ONLY apply this buff as a passive that gets activated when you're near one of your Tri Keeps (maybe...) or inside your Temples, so the rest of the maps doesn't get affected and 1v1 fights aren't biased when outside the keeps area.

That would mean that a few determined players + NPCs would be able to defend against big numbers when they're out-populated by a great margin.

Ofc. siege damage needs to also be affected by this buff or else there's little you can do to avoid keeps being overrun by large groups.

Maybe, for balances reasons, the buff should depend on the keep status, so if the attackers breach the keep and enter the inner and stand on flags, the defenders' buff gets progressively weaker.

Just an idea, and need more developing to be effective, for sure.

heng14rwb17_ESO

AD IS STRONG!
AD IS POWERFUL?
AD IS INVINCIBLE *

Rin_Senya

disintegr8 wrote: »

I am against any sort of population locks which might restrict my access to PVP - I am in Australia and during the week would always be trying to get in during the lockout times. With there only being 2 choices of server, those 2 have to cater for the global player base, not just local players.

While I do not agree with guilds or factions steamrolling through the map while others sleep, the innocent player base that would be adversely impacted would far outnumber the guilty players and the players who are complaining about it.

For my part, when I am on I do what I can to assist the alliance I am logged onto, but once I log off I don't really care and can do nothing about what happens. To think that ZOS should implement changes to make sure my alliance is not overrun while I am asleep is ludicrous.

this dude is playing on NA server lol ofc he is against any sort of populations locks honestly I highly doubt that any NA ppl can even imagine the size of the problem that exists on EU PC server for over a year. If all this "we-play-from-all-around-the-world!"-people would be systematically log in on campaign without any single keep and any single resource and then being facerolled by 50 men zerg wherever they go _every_single_day_, I'm sure they would think twice about "resource" mechanic for the server/dynamic population caps etc

Derra

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD IS STRONG!
AD IS POWERFUL?
AD IS INVINCIBLE *

ad is russia in ww2. throwing a lot of people at a problem.

Yuke

lolz

prootch

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD IS STRONG!
AD IS POWERFUL?
AD IS INVINCIBLE *

AD gets spawn pushed in prime time... everyday

MLRPZ

prootch wrote: »

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD IS STRONG!
AD IS POWERFUL?
AD IS INVINCIBLE *

AD gets spawn pushed in prime time... everyday

TBF, they're probably pushed to the spawn mostly because they're getting focus by both DC and EP and aswell because they have mostly no clue what they're doing in fight (apart from 1-2 group, said groups being most of time pugsurfing in prime time)

AFAIK, we're the only guild that took the time and effort to reroll on other faction to try and help balancing the game. Sadly, we only raid on prime time.

Magıc

Most AD guilds don't know how to fight without pugs backing them.

Etaniel

Magıc wrote: »

Most AD guilds don't know how to fight without pugs backing them.

Derra

MLRPZ wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD IS STRONG!
AD IS POWERFUL?
AD IS INVINCIBLE *

AD gets spawn pushed in prime time... everyday

TBF, they're probably pushed to the spawn mostly because they're getting focus by both DC and EP and aswell because they have mostly no clue what they're doing in fight (apart from 1-2 group, said groups being most of time pugsurfing in prime time)

AFAIK, we're the only guild that took the time and effort to reroll on other faction to try and help balancing the game. Sadly, we only raid on prime time.

Ay we have EPs aswell ;/

Magıc

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Most AD guilds don't know how to fight without pugs backing them.

Good point. I think ZS is the only guild who fight away from their own alliance pugs as much as possible on EU.

Derra

Magıc wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Most AD guilds don't know how to fight without pugs backing them.

Good point. I think ZS is the only guild who fight away from their own alliance pugs as much as possible on EU.

Which kinda counteracts the whole helping ep to balance factions somewhat.
People actively go fight EP when ZS is between AD and DC because they know they don´t have to encoutner ZS there...

Magıc

Derra wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Most AD guilds don't know how to fight without pugs backing them.

Good point. I think ZS is the only guild who fight away from their own alliance pugs as much as possible on EU.

Which kinda counteracts the whole helping ep to balance factions somewhat.
People actively go fight EP when ZS is between AD and DC because they know they don´t have to encoutner ZS there...

But is that their fault? Or is it the fault of AD guilds and even more so DC guilds (who coincidentally all stack together, in the same keep, at the same time, almost always) who in my time tried to avoid ZS as much as possible because fighting a GvG when outnumbering ZS at a 3:1 ratio at minimum was too difficult for them.

Pugs are pugs, they usually aren't even organised enough to try avoid guilds. They see a keep under attack with just 1 siege on it and the whole population flocks to that 1 keep to defend it.