ABOMINATION!!!!!!! stam builds using resto staff ulty!

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

the ulty itself doesnt require magicka or spell damage with a stam build with high max set it scales better and can help stam builds 1vX better. with beast trap it also can give you MAJOR and MINOR FORCE. i think "effective would be a better ".

Alucardo

Because build diversity is a terrible thing

Subversus

God forbid people theorycraft and come up with new and creative builds that don't use a 2h and a bow.


If any thread on this whole forum would need it, it would be this one: l2p.

DeHei

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Stam builds are using the resto ulties better then most magicka builds in bgs and in cyrodiil. Its UNFAIR, this is clearly an ability for magicka users. please make it scale off max magicka and spell damage, this isnt right you dont see magicka builds running with stam ult's (cept dawn breaker but that used to be magicka anyways).

Its ok, you can wear Staminaweapons too and using there Ults. I dont see the Problem?

Rickter

this logic is the same as magicka using two swords. should we stop using dual swords for magicka?

Subversus

Rickter wrote: »

this logic is the same as magicka using two swords. should we stop using dual swords for magicka?

Omg op pls nerf I am getting rekt by dw on a magicka (!!!!) character!!!

Brb gonna make a forum thread crying like a little *** about how hard it is for me to l2p

SirAndy

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Its UNFAIR

Wut? Using an ability that is available to *everyone* is somehow unfair?
You can't be serious ...

All 4 of my mains have every skill and weapon line maxed and morphed (twice) so i can respec them into anything i want at any time.

If my stealthy dual wielding Stamblade Bosmer wants to use a fully leveled resto staff, she can do so anytime at her leisure.

Baconlad

@Elong has a good point. Many mag builds are using two hander for two hander ult to give much needed instant, burst, high damage, single target ult...cause lets face it. Soul assault is great against anyone who doesnt know what they are doing. Meteor is great against anyone who doesnt know what they are doing. Id never be able to kill a player like elong, kodi, sypher....or the many other greats in this game...with meteor or soul assault. And since zeni keeps giving all of our burst ults away to stamina...can you say buh bye to crescent sweep, DBoS, the better version of dk gap closer ult...zeni doesnt want any mag class to be able to burst down a heavy armor, or medium armor toon, they want us to sustained damage them down. They want all stam specs to burst down light armor.

So no...let them use resto ult.

Oompuh

Why is it clearly for magic users when it scales off your highest pool? Who says resto users are for magicka only? ZOS has promoted hybrid and play how you want since the game came out. An ultimate isn't magic or stam. It's just an ultimate

Magıc

You all make good points however resto ulti is over performing. I agree, it's a good thing people are being diverse, but resto ulti really needs an increase in cost or something because 75 ulti for what it provides is insane.

So lets turn this into a nerf resto ulti thread.

Thanks.

Mazbt

Burst and damage overall is insane right now...keep resto ulti as it is and if anyone wants to make good smart use of it (stam or magicka) to get some nice healing and buffs then all the power to them.

Izaki

Magıc wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

He probably means higher healing from the resto ulti itself, which is a possibility because of major mending and stuff. Stam builds won't be using the other resto skills, just the ultimate. I don't see a problem with stam builds using it personally, it's a bit of variety compared to bow backbar.

Yep considering that you're pretty much giving up a second weapon just for a heal that you can use every 34 seconds (if there is no additional ultimate generation).

I don't really have a problem with that, because its basically immortality for 5 seconds, so its not like its long. I mean... Just wait for it to finish and burst the dude down, no?

Izaki

Magıc wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Just goes to show how powerful restro ulti actually is in the BG setting.

Resto ult, 1h+shield ult, warden healing ult all need adjustments bc of their power in smallscale settings.

That's a different matter entirely. But OP claiming stam build use resto ulti better than mag builds is not true imo. Yeah it's overperforming, but stamina builds using it aren't using it to a greater effect than magicka builds.

There should always have been a stamina and magicka moph of every ulti imo (and some argue of basic skills too). Leap is a great example. Zos don't even know what they're doing half the time.

Well I mean, its more the fact that at first all the skills were magicka right... And that ZOS with the evolution of the game, didn't change things accordingly. Only speaking for ultimates btw, because a magicka Wrecking Blow morph isn't something I want to see lol

NightbladeMechanics

Old news. I had guys doing this in One Tamriel.

Also magicka players use 2h and snb ults all the time. I know a stamplar with a fondness for Remembrance. Rebalancing ults in disfavor of build diversity? No thanks.

GeorgeBlack

It looks ugly but mmorpgs since 2010 or so have abandoned concept for practicality. Eso took it one step further by advertising variety with all the skills lines, but instead promoted min/maxing like there's no tomorrow.

You will be faced with working as intended comments so don't bother.

2 years ago, in cyrodiil you'd see tanks not using heavy armor, roques using 1h/s and mages running around with dualswords.

Why? Because it helps the numbers/stats.

Forget about class concept and identity.
Anything goes if it works. I hate to say that but I'd advice you to forget about the whole matter

NightbladeMechanics

Magıc wrote: »

You all make good points however resto ulti is over performing. I agree, it's a good thing people are being diverse, but resto ulti really needs an increase in cost or something because 75 ulti for what it provides is insane.

So lets turn this into a nerf resto ulti thread.

Thanks.

It costs 100 ult. Warden tree ult is 75.

Reverb

I don't think Unfair means what you think it means. The resto ult is available to everybody, regardless of class, race, or spec. All one has to do it choose to equip and level the weapon, and invest a few skill points. Totally fair.

And some people will use it with better timing, and on better builds than others. And some people will simply be better players. That's all fair too. Not equal, but fair. Crying "not fair" when something isn't how you want is something children do.

Magıc

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

You all make good points however resto ulti is over performing. I agree, it's a good thing people are being diverse, but resto ulti really needs an increase in cost or something because 75 ulti for what it provides is insane.

So lets turn this into a nerf resto ulti thread.

Thanks.

It costs 100 ult. Warden tree ult is 75.

I meant 85 and I'm just too used to using it on mag sorc cause I don't use it on anything else atm.

Scyantific

Saw this last night. From someone who claims they "run small groups." All while running with 40 zerglings behind them, and running a full proc build.

Totally balanced, right guys?

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Listen okay if im using TWO SWORDS for the damage buff, im using a PASSIVE. its totally different comparing a PASSIVE to an ULTY @ rickster.

CatchMeTrolling

Magıc wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

does that mean they can use destro ult super good too?

It'll be okay in non CP. Not so much in CP because, even though the damage scales with max stat, it still counts your spell pen, spell crit etc. not your phys pen and weapon crit.

It's why DBOS in no CP is okayish for mag builds, not so much in CP.

That's not true, I know a stam sorc that wiped zergs with it as emp and without emp.

FENGRUSH

Been using it since it came out. Was packing up EP guilds no problem solo yesterday with it.

Reverb

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Been using it since it came out. Was packing up EP guilds no problem solo yesterday with it.

Dammit Fengrush, now that you've posted this, every scrub in cyro and bg is going to start using it. And there will be dozens of threads complaining about it in response, and then it will be wrobled. And it will be your fault

Magıc

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

does that mean they can use destro ult super good too?

It'll be okay in non CP. Not so much in CP because, even though the damage scales with max stat, it still counts your spell pen, spell crit etc. not your phys pen and weapon crit.

It's why DBOS in no CP is okayish for mag builds, not so much in CP.

That's not true, I know a stam sorc that wiped zergs with it as emp and without emp.

What isn't true? That storm scales off spell pen/crit and not weapon pen/crit? Or that DBOS scales off weapon pen/crit and not spell pen/crit?

Because I can promise you I'm telling the truth lol...

@CatchMeTrolling

CatchMeTrolling

Magıc wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

does that mean they can use destro ult super good too?

It'll be okay in non CP. Not so much in CP because, even though the damage scales with max stat, it still counts your spell pen, spell crit etc. not your phys pen and weapon crit.

It's why DBOS in no CP is okayish for mag builds, not so much in CP.

That's not true, I know a stam sorc that wiped zergs with it as emp and without emp.

What isn't true? That storm scales off spell pen/crit and not weapon pen/crit? Or that DBOS scales off weapon pen/crit and not spell pen/crit?

Because I can promise you I'm telling the truth lol...

CatchMeTrolling

He said would destro ult be good and you said it'll be okay for no cp but not so much for CP. I'm saying that's not true because I've seen it get used very well by a stam sorc in CP pvp.

Minno

Reverb wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Been using it since it came out. Was packing up EP guilds no problem solo yesterday with it.

Dammit Fengrush, now that you've posted this, every scrub in cyro and bg is going to start using it. And there will be dozens of threads complaining about it in response, and then it will be wrobled. And it will be your fault

Wrobeled - a term used to define players being beaten by a wooden *** .

Edit: they started banning SAT alternate words for curse words lol.

Kas

Magıc wrote: »

You all make good points however resto ulti is over performing. I agree, it's a good thing people are being diverse, but resto ulti really needs an increase in cost or something because 75 ulti for what it provides is insane.

So lets turn this into a nerf resto ulti thread.

Thanks.

tbh i'd say it's clearly overpowered but at the same times keeps this game (at least small-scale) alive, atm. especially in face of the increased focus on no-CP + incap + procsets I don't think I would still play BGs & small scale without it. I'd play PvE and run around in choo-choo trains like most players but I just wouldn't bother with 4 stamblades trying to "play" the game by collaboratively using ambush and incap into mashing their heads on the keyboard.

sure, there is still stuff like the 1h+s ult (and warden trees), but imho the popularity of cheap defensive ults is largely due to how effective, yet necessary, they are to counteract procs and incap combos. if you take away the defensive ults, you entirely break the game.

Magıc

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

does that mean they can use destro ult super good too?

It'll be okay in non CP. Not so much in CP because, even though the damage scales with max stat, it still counts your spell pen, spell crit etc. not your phys pen and weapon crit.

It's why DBOS in no CP is okayish for mag builds, not so much in CP.

That's not true, I know a stam sorc that wiped zergs with it as emp and without emp.

What isn't true? That storm scales off spell pen/crit and not weapon pen/crit? Or that DBOS scales off weapon pen/crit and not spell pen/crit?

Because I can promise you I'm telling the truth lol...

CatchMeTrolling

He said would destro ult be good and you said it'll be okay for no cp but not so much for CP. I'm saying that's not true because I've seen it get used very well by a stam sorc in CP pvp.

Well as Emp on my stam dk i could use the magicka morph of leap and it'd be strong lol... I wouldn't use it as a non emp ever. Point I was making, in CP PvP, ultis like storm do not work as well on a stam build because it still scales off spell pen/crit. Yeah your tooltip will still increase, but you're still gimping yourself. Storm isn't even all that good anymore unless you're in a bomb group. I don't see many solo bombers anymore, nor do I see many storms in 1v1/1vX situations because it got nerfed.

Derra

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

He probably means higher healing from the resto ulti itself, which is a possibility because of major mending and stuff. Stam builds won't be using the other resto skills, just the ultimate. I don't see a problem with stam builds using it personally, it's a bit of variety compared to bow backbar.

Yep considering that you're pretty much giving up a second weapon just for a heal that you can use every 34 seconds (if there is no additional ultimate generation).

I don't really have a problem with that, because its basically immortality for 5 seconds, so its not like its long. I mean... Just wait for it to finish and burst the dude down, no?

More like 10s because that´s how long the major protection lasts.

Add bloodspawn/tavas on top of that and you have more uptime on the buff than downtime.

Inig0

how dare people play how they want.