ABOMINATION!!!!!!! stam builds using resto staff ulty!

mettallus

As a magsorc in non-cp, I love using dawnbreaker as a ulti. When I was was emp as a magsorc, I used dawnbreaker w/VD, and on my stam DK, I have used a flame staff just for the ulti. If you have high enough stats, it doesn't matter what category you are plying as; it is how you use it. That's what she said.

Crown

Magıc wrote: »

But OP claiming stam build use resto ulti better than mag builds is not true imo. Yeah it's overperforming, but stamina builds using it aren't using it to a greater effect than magicka builds.

@Magıc I'm sure what he meant was that some max-stam builds heal for more than most magicka builds, which is true, as most of them have higher resource pools and weapon damage than most magicka builds have max magicka and spell damage.

The same is true of destro ults. Last patch there were about 10 different people I know playing stam builds whose destro ults hit harder than most magicka builds.

I believe that @IxSTALKERxI was the first one to come up with that idea for the destro ult, and a lot of people copied him once they realised what he was doing.

Magıc

Crown wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

But OP claiming stam build use resto ulti better than mag builds is not true imo. Yeah it's overperforming, but stamina builds using it aren't using it to a greater effect than magicka builds.

@Magıc I'm sure what he meant was that some max-stam builds heal for more than most magicka builds, which is true, as most of them have higher resource pools and weapon damage than most magicka builds have max magicka and spell damage.

The same is true of destro ults. Last patch there were about 10 different people I know playing stam builds whose destro ults hit harder than most magicka builds.

I believe that @IxSTALKERxI was the first one to come up with that idea for the destro ult, and a lot of people copied him once they realised what he was doing.

@Crown

I've never seen a destro ult hit harder on a stam build than a mag build and there were plenty of people trying it on EU. Simply because, they had no penetration, so even though they may have had greater max stam/wpn dmg, they still lacked the penetration to cut through resistances.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

its way too cheesy for stam builds, Zenimax just make resto staff scale off of magicka and spell damage.

leepalmer95

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

its way too cheesy for stam builds, Zenimax just make resto staff scale off of magicka and spell damage.

It does.

But all ults scale of whichever it highest.

Brutusmax1mus

Magıc wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

He probably means higher healing from the resto ulti itself, which is a possibility because of major mending and stuff. Stam builds won't be using the other resto skills, just the ultimate. I don't see a problem with stam builds using it personally, it's a bit of variety compared to bow backbar.

That's what I thought . They are sacrificing dps in their rotation one way or another .

Pretty much.

They champions light morph makes you crit like a truck and you won't be killed during most likely. If it just heals you, you crit for 30% more damage and take 30% less damage for 10 seconds as it refreshes it's buff every second. This lets you recover, pressure harder and longer, and after 10 seconds you've got nearly half the ultimate back. I pop this just to go offensive all the time.

Magıc

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

He probably means higher healing from the resto ulti itself, which is a possibility because of major mending and stuff. Stam builds won't be using the other resto skills, just the ultimate. I don't see a problem with stam builds using it personally, it's a bit of variety compared to bow backbar.

That's what I thought . They are sacrificing dps in their rotation one way or another .

Pretty much.

They champions light morph makes you crit like a truck and you won't be killed during most likely. If it just heals you, you crit for 30% more damage and take 30% less damage for 10 seconds as it refreshes it's buff every second. This lets you recover, pressure harder and longer, and after 10 seconds you've got nearly half the ultimate back. I pop this just to go offensive all the time.

I know what it does lol. Either way, I'm glad there is build diversity because this game sorely needs it however Resto ult, SnB ult, Destro ult, potentially 2H ult all need nerfs/changes where it's a cost increase or a damage nerf or something because the first 2 I listed especially are overperforming, and the last 2 I'd say are overperforming in certain scenarios although not as much.

Biro123

I'm playing a mag build with a 2-hander and bow.. Am I an abomination?

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Biro123 wrote: »

I'm playing a mag build with a 2-hander and bow.. Am I an abomination?

only if your build is OP, if it sucks than no.. lol

DaveMoeDee

Derra wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Just goes to show how powerful restro ulti actually is in the BG setting.

Resto ult, 1h+shield ult, warden healing ult all need adjustments bc of their power in smallscale settings.

No need to balance for BG. We don't need another thing to balance for when PvE and Cyrodiil are already hard enough to balance for.