ABOMINATION!!!!!!! stam builds using resto staff ulty!

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Stam builds are using the resto ulties better then most magicka builds in bgs and in cyrodiil. Its UNFAIR, this is clearly an ability for magicka users. please make it scale off max magicka and spell damage, this isnt right you dont see magicka builds running with stam ult's (cept dawn breaker but that used to be magicka anyways).

Magıc

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Stam builds are using the resto ulties better then most magicka builds in bgs and in cyrodiil. Its UNFAIR, this is clearly an ability for magicka users. please make it scale off max magicka and spell damage, this isnt right you dont see magicka builds running with stam ult's (cept dawn breaker but that used to be magicka anyways).

Well all ultis scale off your max stat. So unless Zos plan to change every single ultimate, it's working fine.

Rohamad_Ali

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Derra

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

Rohamad_Ali

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

Magıc

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

He probably means higher healing from the resto ulti itself, which is a possibility because of major mending and stuff. Stam builds won't be using the other resto skills, just the ultimate. I don't see a problem with stam builds using it personally, it's a bit of variety compared to bow backbar.

Rohamad_Ali

Magıc wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

He probably means higher healing from the resto ulti itself, which is a possibility because of major mending and stuff. Stam builds won't be using the other resto skills, just the ultimate. I don't see a problem with stam builds using it personally, it's a bit of variety compared to bow backbar.

That's what I thought . They are sacrificing dps in their rotation one way or another .

Magus

He's also referencing no-CP. It's easier to hybrid without having to allocate CP points into certain things. So resto on stam, dawnbreaker on magic, all work really well on no-CP like was mentioned with it scaling off the top stat. The thought of a stamblade running troll king, viper, and resto ulti back bar does make me vomit though. So impressive.

Scyantific

They ain't using it for the heal, they're using it for the major protection and major force bonuses.

Magıc

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

He probably means higher healing from the resto ulti itself, which is a possibility because of major mending and stuff. Stam builds won't be using the other resto skills, just the ultimate. I don't see a problem with stam builds using it personally, it's a bit of variety compared to bow backbar.

That's what I thought . They are sacrificing dps in their rotation one way or another .

Pretty much.

Koolio

Someone thought outside the box and worked with the tools given to them. I would tell them to push that build to its limits. And if it works them that's great.

Sorry you didn't think of it first. But this is what diversity looks like.

Builds like this are difficult to deal with but some sacrifices were most definitely made.

Elong

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Stam builds are using the resto ulties better then most magicka builds in bgs and in cyrodiil. Its UNFAIR, this is clearly an ability for magicka users. please make it scale off max magicka and spell damage, this isnt right you dont see magicka builds running with stam ult's (cept dawn breaker but that used to be magicka anyways).

Some of us use the 2h ulti.

So you're wrong.

DeadlyRecluse

Elong wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Stam builds are using the resto ulties better then most magicka builds in bgs and in cyrodiil. Its UNFAIR, this is clearly an ability for magicka users. please make it scale off max magicka and spell damage, this isnt right you dont see magicka builds running with stam ult's (cept dawn breaker but that used to be magicka anyways).

Some of us use the 2h ulti.

So you're wrong.

Sword and board ulti is pretty common on magicka builds, too.

Derra

Magıc wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That doesn't make sense . How can they use it better if they have most points in stam and stam regen ?

Ultis scale of max stats depending on what is higher.

Stam builds have besser synergy with healing than most magica builds - especially with hots (which the resto ult is) as those work wonderfully in conjunction with dodging or permablock.

I know that with ultimates but he said they are using resto staff better then magica players and that makes no sense as they have more resources available to keep healing others . Wouldn't this be more of a solo player self healing thing because they don't want rally two handed no range build ?

He probably means higher healing from the resto ulti itself, which is a possibility because of major mending and stuff. Stam builds won't be using the other resto skills, just the ultimate. I don't see a problem with stam builds using it personally, it's a bit of variety compared to bow backbar.

It just adds to the general asinine tank gameplay where everyone spams highly effective low cost defensive ultimates.

thankyourat

Honestly the resto ultimate needs to be nerfed all together

dennissomb16_ESO

I am surprised there has been no comment on how more and more magic based characters are using 2 hander on their off bar simply for the Ultimate

Grimlok_S

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Sword and board ulti is pretty common on magicka builds, too.

What an... ABOMINATION!!1!one!

FENGRUSH

Koolio wrote: »

Someone thought outside the box and worked with the tools given to them.

Mojomonkeyman

Who wouldve thought of that...

leepalmer95

Shuffle was mean't to be a stamina skill.

But hey its ok that magicka builds can use shields and the stamina main defence since CP came.

But as soon as stamina builds use a 'magicka' only skill its wrong? Gtfo.

Derra

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Who wouldve thought of that...

Vapirko

NEERFFFFFF. Wheres that guy complaining and whining for a nerf to stam mobility, let's get him in here too. Let's give all the remaining stam class skills to mag while we're at it.

KingYogi415

They are missing half their burst XD

I'd love to fight Stam players using resto staffs.

It sounds more like a rare snowflake hybrid build...

Lord help if OP he ever faces a magward planting trees!

Ahzek

Just goes to show how powerful restro ulti actually is in the BG setting.

Derra

Ahzek wrote: »

Just goes to show how powerful restro ulti actually is in the BG setting.

Resto ult, 1h+shield ult, warden healing ult all need adjustments bc of their power in smallscale settings.

Ahzek

Derra wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Just goes to show how powerful restro ulti actually is in the BG setting.

Resto ult, 1h+shield ult, warden healing ult all need adjustments bc of their power in smallscale settings.

I concurr.

Magıc

Derra wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Just goes to show how powerful restro ulti actually is in the BG setting.

Resto ult, 1h+shield ult, warden healing ult all need adjustments bc of their power in smallscale settings.

That's a different matter entirely. But OP claiming stam build use resto ulti better than mag builds is not true imo. Yeah it's overperforming, but stamina builds using it aren't using it to a greater effect than magicka builds.

There should always have been a stamina and magicka moph of every ulti imo (and some argue of basic skills too). Leap is a great example. Zos don't even know what they're doing half the time.

Morgul667

So when magicka use destro ult it is OK and not OP but when a stamina char use it , it is not fair and OP ?

I think the guy thought of something nice and used it, congrats to him

Rickter

Im personally not doing this but i dont see the problem. Props for them coming up with something creative. Wouldnt have thought in a million years stam would gimp themselves with a resto staff just for that one skill. clear trade off and clearly effective.

Rickter

does that mean they can use destro ult super good too?

Magıc

Rickter wrote: »

does that mean they can use destro ult super good too?

It'll be okay in non CP. Not so much in CP because, even though the damage scales with max stat, it still counts your spell pen, spell crit etc. not your phys pen and weapon crit.

It's why DBOS in no CP is okayish for mag builds, not so much in CP.