How many "procs are overperforming" threads does it take..

Czirne

...to Zenimax to listen to their player base and actually adress and adjust those sets?

FearlessOne_2014

Lol you for real didn't see after the huge outcry from the community. They threw seleens and viper in the golden vendor a few weeks ago.

Proc sets are here to stay. ZOS may even come out with even more broken stamina proc sets.

At this point you are just.....



But ZOS is pretty much pulling this card on their PvP community......

Biro123

Don't you remember the outcry from the PVE players last time they were nerfed?

SodanTok

There is no number of threads that will make next patch sooner. And that is IF they decide they will do something about it

Oompuh

At least 74 more posts should do it

DeHei

They will change something... BUT i fear anything they do next to make another thing "balanced"... like armor ignoring bleeding ticks

Emma_Overload

Honestly, the best we can hope for is that they start making Magicka versions of these sets.

out51d3r

I don't think they will be nerfed, at least to the level we'd like. They seem to be performing their intended role(narrow the gap between skilled and unskilled players) quite well. In the eyes of devs, the way they are working seems to be a feature, not a bug.

The voices calling for nerfs seem to be pretty numerous, but I suspect if they nerf proc sets significantly, the unskilled masses will be awoken and they will drown us out in a sea of complaints.

leepalmer95

They'll address in next patch which is in 3 months.

Thats how zos do things, break more things than they fix, leave a horrible broken meta in the game and leave it for 3 months while they work on a overpriced, underwhelming dlc and new cosmetic mounts.

Why fix the game when they can make more money with overpriced crown store stuff.

Emmagoldman

I believe wrobel said it adds an interesting game play. Ive said it before, but they "pride" themselves on the use of data. Yet I would love to see how many sets are just trash and require heavy investment.

Hey! I could use flanking set for that HUGE 300 weapon dmg by hitting someone in the back, requiring a strategy or viper, which you know, fg is a hard dungeon.......

Hempyre

The people spoke. ZOS listened...

Moar proc sets inc!

Gilvoth

i hope they remove proc sets from eso, i really do.
proc set ruin PvP.

NBrookus

out51d3r wrote: »

I don't think they will be nerfed, at least to the level we'd like. They seem to be performing their intended role(narrow the gap between skilled and unskilled players) quite well. In the eyes of devs, the way they are working seems to be a feature, not a bug.

The voices calling for nerfs seem to be pretty numerous, but I suspect if they nerf proc sets significantly, the unskilled masses will be awoken and they will drown us out in a sea of complaints.

I don't think it DOES narrow the gap. They are even stronger in the hands of skilled players, who are more likely to quickly and successfully farm the sets in the best traits.

br0steen

Lol, The first battlemasters corner since its return was a proc build. Basically saying loud and clear they believe it to be a non issue.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/06/14/battlemasters-corner--the-zookeeper

olsborg

As always, 6 months or more too late.

NightbladeMechanics

out51d3r

NBrookus wrote: »

I don't think it DOES narrow the gap. They are even stronger in the hands of skilled players

Hmm. It's true that a better player is still going to do better on average with procs. But, think of it this way:

You fight a lesser skilled player 20 times, neither of you have procs. Odds are you will win almost all of those fights.

You fight a lesser skilled player 20 times, both of you have procs. Odds are you will still win more than you lose, but the lesser skilled player is probably going to win noticeably more than he did when neither of you had procs just from the random nature of them.

I actually view Viper as the least problematic of the proc sets for this reason. I acknowledge that it's the most powerful of them, and I won't complain when it gets justifiably nerfed. The non-randomness of it makes it more tolerable to me than the other proc sets in the meantime though.

NBrookus

out51d3r wrote: »

You fight a lesser skilled player 20 times, both of you have procs. Odds are you will still win more than you lose, but the lesser skilled player is probably going to win noticeably more than he did when neither of you had procs just from the random nature of them.

I actually view Viper as the least problematic of the proc sets for this reason. I acknowledge that it's the most powerful of them, and I won't complain when it gets justifiably nerfed. The non-randomness of it makes it more tolerable to me than the other proc sets in the meantime though.

And the lesser skilled magicka player that can't stack 3 proc damage sets wins how often versus procs? Those players are in an even worse place than before because a much higher level of skill is demanded of them right from the start than, say, the proctard NB trying to gank them.

Selene I can see and counter. Velidreth I can see and counter. Viper? Red Mountain? They are just free invisible damage, and you don't know what's causing it until your death recap. They can be blocked, oblivion enchants can't. Without knowing WHY your health is dipping so drastically you can't react accordingly. You either waste stam blocking something for no reason, or take more damage because you aren't blocking.

rimmidimdim

Bring back crits on all proc. Lower viper damage by 50%. Lower tremor scale by 35%. Raise affliction and ashen grip by 50%. Some examples. All the sets need rework, not another blanket Nerf. It's not a proc issue, it's certain proc sets issues. Cheers.

Vapirko

Do away with the 2nd traits on monster sets, keep 5 trait proc sets cause whatever, but let monster sets remain as their 1 pc traits and you could mix and match for a bit of a boost on regen/wpn damage/penetration/max stat or whatever.

Czirne

rimmidimdim wrote: »

Bring back crits on all proc. Lower viper damage by 50%. Lower tremor scale by 35%. Raise affliction and ashen grip by 50%. Some examples. All the sets need rework, not another blanket Nerf. It's not a proc issue, it's certain proc sets issues. Cheers.

Agreed. After some time in BGs i see some set consider overperforming are easy to dodge or block - selene, velidreth hits me basicly only when I am ccd and dont have stamina to ccbreak(in that case I am death anyway, not a big deal). Most dumb procs are those without counterplay: Viper, Red moutain, Tremor scale.

There si something wrong with game, when heavy armor build uses puncture and deal over 7k damage to you, 2k is actuall skill they used and 5k viper and tremorscale combined. Do you remember those times when skilled players used to do flawless la+puncture+bash combo to maximize dps? Well, no need for that anymore.

GeorgeBlack

Keep posting
Johny Poster Toxic Lable.

No but seriously dealing damage passively because of your gear set is wrong. No build should be able to do it.
-> full sustain
->full proc
->hit hit vigor rolldodge hit hit a noob killed you.

Barbaran

recently put procs back on.
tried so hard to play without being "cancerous" and did just fine.
but it seems like everytime i died there was a 4-6k veli or selene on the feed.
so F it, if everyone else is gonna take free damage i might as well

SirAndy

Czirne wrote: »

How many "procs are overperforming" threads does it take to Zenimax to listen to their player base and actually adress and adjust those sets?

Another one who died in PvP and is displacing blame, yawn ...

Czirne

SirAndy wrote: »

Czirne wrote: »

How many "procs are overperforming" threads does it take to Zenimax to listen to their player base and actually adress and adjust those sets?

Another one who died in PvP and is displacing blame, yawn ...

Everyone dies in pvp. I am talking about fact that half of damage is from procs, not from actual skills. Do you objectively think that is good for game and provide better pvp experience?

out51d3r

NBrookus wrote: »

And the lesser skilled magicka player that can't stack 3 proc damage sets wins how often versus procs? Those players are in an even worse place than before because a much higher level of skill is demanded of them right from the start than, say, the proctard NB trying to gank them.

Indeed, procs are not balanced between magicka/stamina. Either nerf procs, or give magicka players procs. Preferably nerf procs into the ground.

NBrookus wrote: »

Selene I can see and counter. Velidreth I can see and counter. Viper? Red Mountain? They are just free invisible damage, and you don't know what's causing it until your death recap. They can be blocked, oblivion enchants can't. Without knowing WHY your health is dipping so drastically you can't react accordingly. You either waste stam blocking something for no reason, or take more damage because you aren't blocking.

I do agree here. Counterplay seems to be getting more and more limited as time goes on.

SirAndy

Czirne wrote: »

Do you objectively think that is good for game and provide better pvp experience?

There are many things wrong with the current state of PvP. Proc sets aren't anywhere near the top of that list.

Czirne

SirAndy wrote: »

Czirne wrote: »

Do you objectively think that is good for game and provide better pvp experience?

There are many things wrong with the current state of PvP. Proc sets aren't anywhere near the top of that list.

I agree with this, you are right. But in my opinion procs are most popularized issue at the moment, and in order to balance pvp more and provide better experince something needs to be done with it.
You could argue that proc meta is reaction to tank meta from last patch and only way counter specific playstyles. By adjusting and nerfing proc sets dev could clearly see bigger issues that pvp is suffering from.

Only my opinion, im not forcing it to anyone.

Biro123

Oh, how swiftly the pendulum swings.

HoloYoitsu

OP, it's sort of a trick question. I'm pretty sure threads on the Reddit are the only ones that would have much of a chance of getting dev attention.

Biro123 wrote: »

Oh, how swiftly the pendulum swings.

Sorry lemme get back on topic: nerf sorcs!

Ragnaroek93

I think they will just nerf them in the next major update. Probably way too late, this crap needs a hotfix in my opinion, even if this means that proc sets get removed from PvP until a "better" solution is found. I will just take a break from this game, because the direction in which the game goes (no CP PvP) is not enjoyable at all if you play without proc sets (the brah with the cheesiest build wins right now and that's everything about this "competitive" pvp).