How many "procs are overperforming" threads does it take..

thankyourat

Ashtaris wrote: »

I wouldn't say Proc sets were not good for PVE. That's probably true now because of all the whining the PVP'ers did so they took out the critical damage from procs, but at one time Viper and Red Mountain were considered BiS for PVE builds as well. But like I said, I don't care if they remove the procs from PVP, just don't F*@$ with PVE in the process.

I'm pretty sure the original proc set nerf was because of pve.

MalakithAlamahdi

Just add a monster set that has a 50% chance to reflect the proc on someone. Problem solved, and it will make for some good laughs.

Sheey

Procs are not op. Stealth makes it op.

Arthg

What the future holds in store for us is going to be quite interesting.

ZOS must balance *three* things:
1) PVE, where proc sets were nerfed when crits were removed;
2) noCP PVP, where proc sets overperform (but see below);
3) CP PVP, where they seem balanced (according to CP players here).

In these conditions, where to hit with that nerf hammer?
I'd be careful and would go surgical with it: in no CP Cyrodiil, it's possible to make some pretty tanky builds that are impervious to double proc sets in 1v1-3 (max), and yet dish out damage.
Wait and see...

Morgul667

Arthg wrote: »

What the future holds in store for us is going to be quite interesting.

ZOS must balance *three* things:
1) PVE, where proc sets were nerfed when crits were removed;
2) noCP PVP, where proc sets overperform (but see below);
3) CP PVP, where they seem balanced (according to CP players here).

In these conditions, where to hit with that nerf hammer?
I'd be careful and would go surgical with it: in no CP Cyrodiil, it's possible to make some pretty tanky builds that are impervious to double proc sets in 1v1-3 (max), and yet dish out damage.
Wait and see...

Yes I hope they fix it without destroying. Im specially afraid of nerf in no CP that would destroy them in other situations like PVE.

Wait and see

Nihili

*** procs

#fuckprocs

Metemsycosis

I keep reading suggestions to make proc sets scale off stats but would not such a change devolve the game? Make the sets hit harder ? 60k max magicka. 40k max stamina. Yeah that would lead to more survivability. These were and are issues the game has faced since its start. Now you might stack health or recovery or damage or an off stat and still be able to put out damage using proc gear. Somehow this is bad. ?? I dont like proc sets as much because most dont fire just when i say so. Controlling randomness is an art. Maybe they deal too much damage or proc too frequently true but the only one i dont think is fair is viper. Id suggest viper does 3\5 the damage it does now or as others have said give it a proc chance like everything else. (Tied to poison or enchantments?)

Biro123

Metemsycosis wrote: »

I keep reading suggestions to make proc sets scale off stats but would not such a change devolve the game? Make the sets hit harder ? 60k max magicka. 40k max stamina. Yeah that would lead to more survivability. These were and are issues the game has faced since its start. Now you might stack health or recovery or damage or an off stat and still be able to put out damage using proc gear. Somehow this is bad. ?? I dont like proc sets as much because most dont fire just when i say so. Controlling randomness is an art. Maybe they deal too much damage or proc too frequently true but the only one i dont think is fair is viper. Id suggest viper does 3\5 the damage it does now or as others have said give it a proc chance like everything else. (Tied to poison or enchantments?)

Waiting for the patch notes.. :

This would be a buff if.....

Rickter

ZOS: just bust the main offending proc sets that have been detailed over and over again. Here they are again if you need help:

Tremorscale
Viper
Selene
Velidreth
Valkyn Skoria
Grothdarr
Red Mountain

just knee jerk bust em wide open. immediately. then stabilize them with other proc sets that are not so offensive at a later date.

rimmidimdim

Rickter wrote: »

ZOS: just bust the main offending proc sets that have been detailed over and over again. Here they are again if you need help:

Tremorscale
Viper
Selene
Velidreth
Valkyn Skoria
Grothdarr
Red Mountain

just knee jerk bust em wide open. immediately. then stabilize them with other proc sets that are not so offensive at a later date.

I can completely agree with this proposal. Serious. But, Bust now and fix later is not in ZOS's realm of abilities. It would be bust now and forever.

thankyourat

My thing is if you are a proc blade or a viper/tremor stam sorc what fun are you having