How many "procs are overperforming" threads does it take..

Prospero_ESO

SirAndy wrote: »

Czirne wrote: »

How many "procs are overperforming" threads does it take to Zenimax to listen to their player base and actually adress and adjust those sets?

Another one who died in PvP and is displacing blame, yawn ...

Another one who thinks free damage is skillful play...

Brrrofski

br0steen wrote: »

Lol, The first battlemasters corner since its return was a proc build. Basically saying loud and clear they believe it to be a non issue.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/06/14/battlemasters-corner--the-zookeeper

I saw that build and I honestly haven't turned eso on since.

BGs was last chance saloon. If they were bad, I was done. Proc sets, being force to play camp the flag and 15 minute queue times in between games did me in

Then they're sort of "build of the month" is a double proc set build that is super obvious and at least half of Stam players are using it. Just showed me how little they know/play/care about PvP. So done with their bs.

Strider_Roshin

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Honestly, the best we can hope for is that they start making Magicka versions of these sets.

What a terrible idea.

Rickter

Oh but you best believe that MoL "get out of the map" glitch will be fixed by the end of this week.

OdinForge

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Honestly, the best we can hope for is that they start making Magicka versions of these sets.

What a terrible idea.

Yeah.

Magicka is the last bastion for me, where I don't feel like I need proc sets to compete. I've been a long time stamina player, but this is the worst meta I've seen to date.

If they make the problem worse by adding more magicka based proc sets similar to viper, I'll play something else for sure.

Baconlad

PROC SETS ARE NOT OVERPERFORMING....in general, only certain proc sets are causing mayhem

kookster

Baconlad wrote: »

PROC SETS ARE NOT OVERPERFORMING....in general, only certain proc sets are causing mayhem

This is true. The main culprits are: Viper, Tremorscale, Selene, Velidreth, Valkyn Skoria, Grothdarr, and Red Mountain. If I missed one just mention it below.

Balance Suggestions

• Tremorscale: Originally Tremorscale was meant to be a awesome tank set. I think it should be JUST THAT. For tanks, What makes a tank? Lots of defense and agro pulling. Something tanks lack is the ability to do AOE agro pulling. I think it should be just that make it when you deal damage or something you have some chance to taunt all enemies within 8 meters? And maybe make it give some max hp and resistances for the 1st trait. Bam PVP issue solved.
• Viper: Make this a chance instead of guaranteed. Make it damage over time, like 10 seconds.
• Selene: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your weapon/stam stats.
• Velidreth: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your weapon/stam stats.
• Valkyn Skoria: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your spell/mag stats.
• Grothdarr: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your spell/mag stats.
• Red Mountain: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your weapon/stam stats.

SodanTok

kookster wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

PROC SETS ARE NOT OVERPERFORMING....in general, only certain proc sets are causing mayhem

This is true. The main culprits are: Viper, Tremorscale, Selene, Velidreth, Valkyn Skoria, Grothdarr, and Red Mountain. If I missed one just mention it below.

Balance Suggestions

• Tremorscale: Originally Tremorscale was meant to be a awesome tank set. I think it should be JUST THAT. For tanks, What makes a tank? Lots of defense and agro pulling. Something tanks lack is the ability to do AOE agro pulling. I think it should be just that make it when you deal damage or something you have some chance to taunt all enemies within 8 meters? And maybe make it give some max hp and resistances for the 1st trait. Bam PVP issue solved.
• Viper: Make this a chance instead of guaranteed. Make it damage over time, like 10 seconds.
• Selene: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your weapon/stam stats.
• Velidreth: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your weapon/stam stats.
• Valkyn Skoria: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your spell/mag stats.
• Grothdarr: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your spell/mag stats.
• Red Mountain: lower the base damage in pvp and scale the damage off your weapon/stam stats.

But i like using skoria on stam build
Not that it matters, ZoS will never change proc sets to be affected by something more than quality of armor/CP. If we get them to lower proc chance/dmg of clearly overperforming sets we can call it win.

kookster

SodanTok wrote: »

But i like using skoria on stam build
Not that it matters, ZoS will never change proc sets to be affected by something more than quality of armor/CP. If we get them to lower proc chance/dmg of clearly overperforming sets we can call it win.

Well the main thing is that they have to spec into damage to get damage. So if they made it scale off your highest stats then. But like you said, they probably wont change it.

MurderMostFoul

Every "NERF proc sets" post has an 8% chance to to cause ZOS to address the issue.

Just keep spamming posts, it takes no skill and one is bound to trigger ZOS eventually...

rimmidimdim

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Every "NERF proc sets" post has an 8% chance to to cause ZOS to address the issue.

Just keep spamming posts, it takes no skill and one is bound to trigger ZOS eventually...

Hahahahaha, awesome post. However, is it dot dam that procs this 8% chance?

FloppyTouch

They want fast pace pvp like a FPS procs are apart of that we don't like it but the devs do.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Proc Sets are sooo op. Got hit by s 3.4k Velindreth proc yesterday and a 3.5k selenes proc the day before :-D
Plz nerf it its t to strong :-DD

Turelus

My prediction, the current BiS procs will be nerfed about the time the new dungeons DLC is released.

Also, entirely unrelated. I'm expecting the new dungeons to have powerful proc boss sets.

FearlessOne_2014

FloppyTouch wrote: »

They want fast pace pvp like a FPS procs are apart of that we don't like it but the devs do.

Well if this is the case. Then ZOS are going to have to start pumping out. Some dedicated magicka proc sets to be on par with stamina. Or ZOS can just delete all magicka based playstyles and what not. Since they do not fit ZOSes vision.

Jamini

Same ***, different day.

I wonder when y'all are going to learn that procs aren't even a problem if you have reasonable defenses and know how to move. Probably never.

Running Clever Alchemist + Armor of Truth right now on my stamblade, enjoying the results.
My tank is running 7th legion, blackrose, and tremor for a tiny damage boost. Doing fine with setup. Sometime I swap to blood spawn if the group is good and the tiny 6k burst isn't needed.

Go on, post your death recaps with three people all hitting you at once with viper for 3k (Not that you'd have survived anyway). I'm sure it'll get the devs to listen this time. Clearly this time it will work.

Czirne

Jamini wrote: »

Same ***, different day.

I wonder when y'all are going to learn that procs aren't even a problem if you have reasonable defenses and know how to move. Probably never.

Running Clever Alchemist + Armor of Truth right now on my stamblade, enjoying the results.
My tank is running 7th legion, blackrose, and tremor for a tiny damage boost. Doing fine with setup. Sometime I swap to blood spawn if the group is good and the tiny 6k burst isn't needed.

Go on, post your death recaps with three people all hitting you at once with viper for 3k (Not that you'd have survived anyway). I'm sure it'll get the devs to listen this time. Clearly this time it will work.

That is exactly point tho. When 3 people hit you at once with suprise atack, and every one of them uses viper, you get 7,5k more damage in non cp enviroment(viper ussualy proc there for 2,5k) and you will get instantly into execute range and die. If there were no procs, you could react, roll, heal and recover. Not vs good stam blades that can time their burst even without procs, but fighting against one-hit-proc wonders would be considerable easier.

Here is what happened to me: I saw 2 nightblades inc to our relic in bg, one crit rushed and cloacked, second one cloacked. Knowing nightblades, i decided now its time to block, before they burst me both simultaniously from stealth. The both were too dumb to fear me and break my block before they both incap strike me. Guess what - i died anyway. Except crit rush blocking everything.

My point is without their proc sets i would purge, dodgeroll, heal and maybe even kill them, because 2 nighblades using incap on blocking target and not fearing him before that are bad nighblades and bad players. btw they both were using viper, it only didn't make in into death recap.

TheBonesXXX

Proc mechanics are not going anywhere.. before proc sets was camo hunter...

just like massive aoe nuke builds are not going anywhere..

these mechanics have never left the game.

Vaoh

People who are using those procs (>90% of Stam builds) are now too busy complaining about Warden cliff racer spam being OP.

Nothing will ever change. Just enjoy BGs while it still has a population tbh.

Czirne

Golden pvp vendor sells Selene helmet this week - just in case someone still dont have it. We got zenimaxed.

strikeback1247

I was expecting a punchline somewhere. You have disappointed me again, ESO forums.

Derra

Vaoh wrote: »

People who are using those procs (>90% of Stam builds) are now too busy complaining about Warden cliff racer spam being OP.

Nothing will ever change. Just enjoy BGs while it still has a population tbh.

I wish i could queue together with the few friends still left playing the game

Durham

They do not communicate well... end of story

Czirne

Vaoh wrote: »

People who are using those procs (>90% of Stam builds) are now too busy complaining about Warden cliff racer spam being OP.

Nothing will ever change. Just enjoy BGs while it still has a population tbh.

Haha, you are right. and dont forget about shieldstackers and permablockers, they op too. Did I forget something? oh yea, Power of the light OP aswell!
(Is it obviuos this thread is ironic from the beggining?)

RobTheAxe

FloppyTouch wrote: »

They want fast pace pvp like a FPS procs are apart of that we don't like it but the devs do.

except, this isnt a FPS .... its an rpg game... i want fights where while it's possible to kill super fast, you get adrenaline because when you do make the fight last a long time, you have to use your skills and all the tools in your disposal to win.. not just see an enemy and hit one or two proc triggers and down them.. for what its worth i'll be adding tremorscale to my puncture spammer while it's here...

proc set And magika shield need nerf in 50+

Ashtaris

I guess I don't get it. I'm not a PVP'er so I can't contribute too much to this thread, but it seems to me that most of you are saying that proc sets are OP'd and you just want to depend on skill to defeat your enemy. But skill comes in many factors, not only the skill to react and do your rotations properly, but also skill to choose the right gear, improve it, and have it become part of your arsenel. So is it that you really believe proc sets should be nerfed, or you just don't want to bother getting the sets yourself and have the skills/mats to improve it? Really I don't care if they remove proc sets from PVP, I just hate the thought of another PVE nerf for the sake of PVP.

olsborg

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I think they will just nerf them in the next major update. Probably way too late, this crap needs a hotfix in my opinion, even if this means that proc sets get removed from PvP until a "better" solution is found. I will just take a break from this game, because the direction in which the game goes (no CP PvP) is not enjoyable at all if you play without proc sets (the brah with the cheesiest build wins right now and that's everything about this "competitive" pvp).

Spot on. They should hotfix this *** much quicker then "the next update" wich is what...in september? Nah Ill do the same and take a break until then and see what the so called "balance pass" is wether its worth coming back for or not.

RobTheAxe

but what is the PVE other than a once-through story or potential gear grind for pvp? maybe some players want to play the hard dungeon over and over and thats the game for them ... but PVE balance doesnt matter.. its players against robots .. its a way you can practice controlling your character and also fight some challenging battles but no matter the balance the players can win because you dont have to fight other player you fight AI monster ... and dont get all upity defender of PVE in here someone please because it is true alright .. also proc sets arent even good for pve .. proc sets in combination are overperforming in pvp plain and simple. viper alone is over performing

Ashtaris

I wouldn't say Proc sets were not good for PVE. That's probably true now because of all the whining the PVP'ers did so they took out the critical damage from procs, but at one time Viper and Red Mountain were considered BiS for PVE builds as well. But like I said, I don't care if they remove the procs from PVP, just don't F*@$ with PVE in the process.

Waffennacht

They should buff the horrid proc sets and then have battlespirit reduce damage done by sets by 65% instead of the 50 or whichever percent is best