More oceanic AD needed - PC Vivec NA

NACtron · June 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Yes, EP has gained a few periods where the faction drastically outnumbers the other factions, and that's not good for campaign balance whatsoever.

AD is not talking about primetime. They are talking about oceanic guilds. That has nothing to do with AP farming or bandwagners jumping. Campaigns are won by Night and Day crews always have always will (with the current scoring system). They have no population (according to them and screenshots) during this time.

Ball's in your court AD/DC, and if you cannot police your own faction members and become a proper team on your own, instead of demanding numbers are thrown at your self-created problem--well, I'll gladly level an AD/DC to analyze your shortcomings and effect positive change behind-the-scenes.

There is nothing to police to solve that problem. As much as we, that run in primetime, want to think we contribute to the campaign the reality is we don't. That is why the majority of players don't care about Campaign wins.

Once again.
The problem is you can’t expect people to care about winning a campaign when they have no control over winning

In tight campaigns primetime players can be the icing on the cake making sure first place is secured down to the last couple points. This has happened a few times though not often.

However if the difference between faction score is more than roughly 400 the only players that can change that in an impactful way are non primetime players. Primetime is too balanced for extreme point gain most nights.

Crispen_Longbow · June 2017

NACtron wrote: »

In tight campaigns primetime players can be the icing on the cake making sure first place is secured down to the last couple points. This has happened a few times though not often.

However if the difference between faction score is more than roughly 400 the only players that can change that in an impactful way are non primetime players. Primetime is too balanced for extreme point gain most nights.

Yes, you are right I believe there have been 2 or 3 close campaigns out of the last 36 and they were close campaigns because of Night and Day crews. Primetime players in a campaign that lasts 720 hours can care about the campaign for 3 hours. We pretend like primetime matters but it never has because of the scoring system.

If we ever want primetime to even remotely matter Day and Night crews need to be balanced or scrap the existing score system and break it up into winning by 1 of 3 time zones.

Kilandros · June 2017

Honestly I think whatever faction Wormhole is on right now is going to have the edge on winning the campaign. Those guys are all Oceanic, they roll deep, and they just steamroll objectives.

Crispen_Longbow · June 2017

Kilandros wrote: »

Honestly I think whatever faction Wormhole is on right now is going to have the edge on winning the campaign. Those guys are all Oceanic, they roll deep, and they just steamroll objectives.

ZOS should really just change this to 3 campaign scores each in 8 hour blocks.

Primetime Scoring starts at 5 PM EST and ends at 1 AM EST.
Night Scoring then opens at 1 AM EST and ends at 9 AM EST.
Day Scoring then opens at 9 AM EST and ends at 5 PM EST.

You automatically get grouped into the 8 hour block you played the most in for the campaign. So if I played 20 hours in the Day block and 40 hours in Primetime block my rewards are tied to whichever alliance wins the “Primetime” block.

I believe this would bring back people caring about campaign wins and help keep campaigns fairly competitive throughout the campaign.

Kilandros · June 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Honestly I think whatever faction Wormhole is on right now is going to have the edge on winning the campaign. Those guys are all Oceanic, they roll deep, and they just steamroll objectives.

ZOS should really just change this to 3 campaign scores each in 8 hour blocks.
Primetime Scoring starts at 5 PM EST and ends at 1 AM EST.

Night Scoring then opens at 1 AM EST and ends at 9 AM EST.

Day Scoring then opens at 9 AM EST and ends at 5 PM EST.

You automatically get grouped into the 8 hour block you played the most in for the campaign. So if I played 20 hours in the Day block and 40 hours in Primetime block my rewards are tied to whichever alliance wins the “Primetime” block.

I believe this would bring back people caring about campaign wins and help keep campaigns fairly competitive throughout the campaign.

Interesting. Could definitely work. I also wonder how much adding decent end-of-campaign rewards would incentivize people to really focus on winning (Master's Weapons pls)

Crispen_Longbow · June 2017

Kilandros wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Honestly I think whatever faction Wormhole is on right now is going to have the edge on winning the campaign. Those guys are all Oceanic, they roll deep, and they just steamroll objectives.

ZOS should really just change this to 3 campaign scores each in 8 hour blocks.
Primetime Scoring starts at 5 PM EST and ends at 1 AM EST.

Night Scoring then opens at 1 AM EST and ends at 9 AM EST.

Day Scoring then opens at 9 AM EST and ends at 5 PM EST.

You automatically get grouped into the 8 hour block you played the most in for the campaign. So if I played 20 hours in the Day block and 40 hours in Primetime block my rewards are tied to whichever alliance wins the “Primetime” block.

I believe this would bring back people caring about campaign wins and help keep campaigns fairly competitive throughout the campaign.

Interesting. Could definitely work. I also wonder how much adding decent end-of-campaign rewards would incentivize people to really focus on winning (Master's Weapons pls)

Yep Rewards defiantly need love. Incentivize people with worthwhile rewards and then empower them with mechanisms, that are within their control, to win and you will have a great campaign.

Kilandros · June 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Honestly I think whatever faction Wormhole is on right now is going to have the edge on winning the campaign. Those guys are all Oceanic, they roll deep, and they just steamroll objectives.

ZOS should really just change this to 3 campaign scores each in 8 hour blocks.
Primetime Scoring starts at 5 PM EST and ends at 1 AM EST.

Night Scoring then opens at 1 AM EST and ends at 9 AM EST.

Day Scoring then opens at 9 AM EST and ends at 5 PM EST.

You automatically get grouped into the 8 hour block you played the most in for the campaign. So if I played 20 hours in the Day block and 40 hours in Primetime block my rewards are tied to whichever alliance wins the “Primetime” block.

I believe this would bring back people caring about campaign wins and help keep campaigns fairly competitive throughout the campaign.

Interesting. Could definitely work. I also wonder how much adding decent end-of-campaign rewards would incentivize people to really focus on winning (Master's Weapons pls)

Yep Rewards defiantly need love.

lol that freudian slip though ;D

Ilpagliaccio · June 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Yes, EP has gained a few periods where the faction drastically outnumbers the other factions, and that's not good for campaign balance whatsoever.

AD is not talking about primetime. They are talking about oceanic guilds. That has nothing to do with AP farming or bandwagners jumping. Campaigns are won by Night and Day crews always have always will (with the current scoring system). They have no population (according to them and screenshots) during this time.

Ball's in your court AD/DC, and if you cannot police your own faction members and become a proper team on your own, instead of demanding numbers are thrown at your self-created problem--well, I'll gladly level an AD/DC to analyze your shortcomings and effect positive change behind-the-scenes.

There is nothing to police to solve that problem. As much as we, that run in primetime, want to think we contribute to the campaign the reality is we don't. That is why the majority of players don't care about Campaign wins.

Once again.
The problem is you can’t expect people to care about winning a campaign when they have no control over winning

Because Wabba 1 was won by the EP oceanic/day crew? Why are VE trying to talk about campaign wins when they were only a 10 man camping Sej until all the actual guilds quit--then they decided to compete right at that moment(for whatever reason) and then bemoan how they never got a chance to compete with Havoc et al, like L O L.

Also, if you want to argue about how little primetime affects scoring(especially if you want to use an appeal to a nonexistent majority), then I'd suggest putting more effort into it than that Guild info, thing, whatever you want to call that half-assed attempt at recording guild presence you pulled. If that's the level of effort some put into tracking guild presence, then that explains RAM swapping to AD to nightcap for VE. Oh, side-note: if VE's repeated PvDoor attempts,other map control pushes,etc. are not trying to win a campaign, then I'm the Pope. Pope Canio XII

The problem is you can’t expect people to care about winning a campaign when they have no control over winning

^ That sour-grapes mentality was something that was browbeat out of EP last cycle. People most definitely do have control over winning. Even with 3 bars of DC PvDooring the map vs 1 bar AD and 1-2 bar EP last cycle(which amounted to a net loss for EP scoring of about 100-400+ during a 5 hr+ period daily), that hemorrhaging of score was made up by stellar primetime performances and staying afloat during the day period.That's not even mentioning the multiple 17+ hour Emp runs EP pulled off, which were crowned during primetime weekends. Primetime is a significant factor to win a campaign. It's probably why I've noticed certain VE members branching out and running with AK and other DC guilds,right? It seems like there's an effort being made to improve DC primetime guilds' ability. If primetime doesnt matter, then why is your guild behaving thus?

EP did not have an oceanic presence last cycle(and their daytime presence wasn't significantly better than AD/DC at all) and they pulled off a campaign win. Yet, AD, who was/is able to field two full raids(RAM and Venatus) on a consistent basis somehow have a "woe is me" attitude about Oceanic population. The same faction that has had the biggest Oceanic pop for about 80% of this game's life? It's not a lack of people: it's a lack of motivation. Get your faction members to care about a campaign. Or like I said, I'll gladly come over next cycle and do it for you.

If you still think primetime doesn't matter, I can break down, point by point, how a scoreboard should be read. If you don't know about ppt,avg ppt/day, or how to calculate req ppt, I'll gladly sit down and explain to you: how to read a scoreboard;why one time period isn't a end-all-be-all for campaign scoring;how a focus on ppt averages is more beneficial to faction map strat than recruiting a night-cap guild,e.g., RAM,etc.

Lastly, Morrowind only had its general release 9 days ago. 9 days since the release of a major PvE and PvP DLC,sorry, "expansion". Of course populations are going to have numbers issues--it's what happens on updates. People want to PvE. People want to BG. People want to level wardens for permafrost and bird spam,etc. Last thing they want is to go into Cyro with Iskra going full-herpa derp in AD zone chat.

Satiar · June 2017

One day I gotta find out who this Ilpagliaccio is. He has many strange and interesting ideas.

Like I'm actually curious. Not many still around back when it was just the 5 of us ganking battle lines, much less remember.

Crispen_Longbow · June 2017

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Because Wabba 1 was won by the EP oceanic/day crew? Why are VE trying to talk about campaign wins when they were only a 10 man camping Sej until all the actual guilds quit--then they decided to compete right at that moment(for whatever reason) and then bemoan how they never got a chance to compete with Havoc et al, like L O L.

VE isn't talking about campaign issues but I am. If you would like to directly talk about what I'm saying you are more than welcome. Everything else is obviously salt that you have built up against VE. You would probably be a more happy person if you didn't keep all the hate and rage built up inside you. I'm sorry that VE has farmed you so many times that you feel the only way to get back at them is hide behind an anonymous game account not tied to your character.

Also, if you want to argue about how little primetime affects scoring(especially if you want to use an appeal to a nonexistent majority), then I'd suggest putting more effort into it than that Guild info, thing, whatever you want to call that half-assed attempt at recording guild presence you pulled.

Well noone else has put in the level of tracking guild presence that I have so what does that make you? If my attempt is only half-assed I guess you are just a lazy ass. I feel most people thought my attempt was beneficial and appreciated the work I did each time I compiled the list. Each person is entitled to their opinion no matter how misguided it may be.

Here are those two threads I compiled one over a year ago and one a few months ago.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266730/pc-na-trueflame-and-haderus-know-thy-enemy-an-overview-of-guilds/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/332387/na-pc-what-pvp-guilds-are-still-active/p1

If that's the level of effort some put into tracking guild presence, then that explains RAM swapping to AD to nightcap for VE.

So you are also a conspiracy theory nut, your resume just keeps growing.

Oh, side-note: if VE's repeated PvDoor attempts,other map control pushes,etc. are not trying to win a campaign, then I'm the Pope. Pope Canio XII

VE looks for good fights by playing the map. I am not VE's GM so I can't speak for our guild objectives. They change from time to time as different raid leads run into different situations. I also joined VE when they rerolled to DC at a time that DC needed strong competitive guilds. Most people realized along time ago that day and night crews win campaigns. Some still think otherwise you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided you are.

People most definitely do have control over winning.

Yes, Day and Night Crews have control over winning. Always has always will, as long as the scoring remains they way it is. Off hours is what wins campaign as there is no balance there. Primetime is a good competitive balance which is why it doesn't really matter. Once again if you think this is not true well once again you are entitled to your opinion.

Primetime is a significant factor to win a campaign. It's probably why I've noticed certain VE members branching out and running with AK and other DC guilds,right? It seems like there's an effort being made to improve DC primetime guilds' ability. If primetime doesnt matter, then why is your guild behaving thus?

There is your conspiracy theory side coming out again. You should really get that checked. If you see a VE member on the field doesn't mean we are running with another guild. I love how yesterday that Tex and I were running a duo team at bleakers and EPs zone blew up about VE stacking raids at bleakers.

Everything else you have to say just seems like salt directed at VE. I hope you realize it's not personal when you get farmed by VE. Just like below, you know you are the enemy.

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Agrippa_Invisus · June 2017

EP zone chat blew up?

One guy talking about it constitutes that?

Crispen, you haven't seen some of the epic rants that make it into EP zone chat, then.

That's practically droll side commentary there.

Crispen_Longbow · June 2017

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

EP zone chat blew up?

One guy talking about it constitutes that?

Crispen, you haven't seen some of the epic rants that make it into EP zone chat, then.

That's practically droll side commentary there.

yeah I don't know, an EP whispered me and asked why VE was stacking raids and me and Tex were laughing. They sent me the screenshot of this. So don't know what was all said. I think most people have no clue who they are fighting.

Agrippa_Invisus · June 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

EP zone chat blew up?

One guy talking about it constitutes that?

Crispen, you haven't seen some of the epic rants that make it into EP zone chat, then.

That's practically droll side commentary there.

yeah I don't know, an EP whispered me and asked why VE was stacking raids and me and Tex were laughing. They sent me the screenshot of this. So don't know what was all said. I think most people have no clue who they are fighting.

Sometimes folks misidentify whom they're fighting. Sometimes things get exaggerated. That's the human element in action right there.

Even after all this time I've misjudged enemy dispositions at times. That looks like he caught some VE tags zerg surfing and jumped a bit to conclusions. Happens.

I wouldn't put much stock in it myself.

Satiar · June 2017

I remember AOE BBQ showing up 1vXing outside BRK and EP zone going crazy about "INC NO MERCY"!

ESO is good times that way

Rohamad_Ali · June 2017

Ah sooo did we figure out how to get a few more AD at night ?

Fruitdog · June 2017

Yes, let's fix this so AD has a chance to get a gold prosperous Leki's resto staff!

Rohamad_Ali · June 2017

Fruitdog wrote: »

Yes, let's fix this so AD has a chance to get a gold prosperous Leki's resto staff!

I'd settle for a gold anything at this point

Ghost-Shot · June 2017

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Yes, EP has gained a few periods where the faction drastically outnumbers the other factions, and that's not good for campaign balance whatsoever.

AD is not talking about primetime. They are talking about oceanic guilds. That has nothing to do with AP farming or bandwagners jumping. Campaigns are won by Night and Day crews always have always will (with the current scoring system). They have no population (according to them and screenshots) during this time.

Ball's in your court AD/DC, and if you cannot police your own faction members and become a proper team on your own, instead of demanding numbers are thrown at your self-created problem--well, I'll gladly level an AD/DC to analyze your shortcomings and effect positive change behind-the-scenes.

There is nothing to police to solve that problem. As much as we, that run in primetime, want to think we contribute to the campaign the reality is we don't. That is why the majority of players don't care about Campaign wins.

Once again.
The problem is you can’t expect people to care about winning a campaign when they have no control over winning

Because Wabba 1 was won by the EP oceanic/day crew? Why are VE trying to talk about campaign wins when they were only a 10 man camping Sej until all the actual guilds quit--then they decided to compete right at that moment(for whatever reason) and then bemoan how they never got a chance to compete with Havoc et al, like L O L.

Also, if you want to argue about how little primetime affects scoring(especially if you want to use an appeal to a nonexistent majority), then I'd suggest putting more effort into it than that Guild info, thing, whatever you want to call that half-assed attempt at recording guild presence you pulled. If that's the level of effort some put into tracking guild presence, then that explains RAM swapping to AD to nightcap for VE. Oh, side-note: if VE's repeated PvDoor attempts,other map control pushes,etc. are not trying to win a campaign, then I'm the Pope. Pope Canio XII

The problem is you can’t expect people to care about winning a campaign when they have no control over winning

^ That sour-grapes mentality was something that was browbeat out of EP last cycle. People most definitely do have control over winning. Even with 3 bars of DC PvDooring the map vs 1 bar AD and 1-2 bar EP last cycle(which amounted to a net loss for EP scoring of about 100-400+ during a 5 hr+ period daily), that hemorrhaging of score was made up by stellar primetime performances and staying afloat during the day period.That's not even mentioning the multiple 17+ hour Emp runs EP pulled off, which were crowned during primetime weekends. Primetime is a significant factor to win a campaign. It's probably why I've noticed certain VE members branching out and running with AK and other DC guilds,right? It seems like there's an effort being made to improve DC primetime guilds' ability. If primetime doesnt matter, then why is your guild behaving thus?

EP did not have an oceanic presence last cycle(and their daytime presence wasn't significantly better than AD/DC at all) and they pulled off a campaign win. Yet, AD, who was/is able to field two full raids(RAM and Venatus) on a consistent basis somehow have a "woe is me" attitude about Oceanic population. The same faction that has had the biggest Oceanic pop for about 80% of this game's life? It's not a lack of people: it's a lack of motivation. Get your faction members to care about a campaign. Or like I said, I'll gladly come over next cycle and do it for you.

If you still think primetime doesn't matter, I can break down, point by point, how a scoreboard should be read. If you don't know about ppt,avg ppt/day, or how to calculate req ppt, I'll gladly sit down and explain to you: how to read a scoreboard;why one time period isn't a end-all-be-all for campaign scoring;how a focus on ppt averages is more beneficial to faction map strat than recruiting a night-cap guild,e.g., RAM,etc.

Lastly, Morrowind only had its general release 9 days ago. 9 days since the release of a major PvE and PvP DLC,sorry, "expansion". Of course populations are going to have numbers issues--it's what happens on updates. People want to PvE. People want to BG. People want to level wardens for permafrost and bird spam,etc. Last thing they want is to go into Cyro with Iskra going full-herpa derp in AD zone chat.

Bruh, you need to chill. You seem to talk a lot of *** about my guild on these forums for the last week or so, do you care to let us know who you are in game or do you not have the back bone to put your name behind your statements?

BTW the only guild that some VE members run with on any sort of consistent basis is K-Hole, and sometimes people run around solo and wind up in the general area of a different guild, shocking.

Ilpagliaccio · June 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

VE isn't talking about campaign issues but I am. If you would like to directly talk about what I'm saying you are more than welcome. Everything else is obviously salt that you have built up against VE. You would probably be a more happy person if you didn't keep all the hate and rage built up inside you. I'm sorry that VE has farmed you so many times that you feel the only way to get back at them is hide behind an anonymous game account not tied to your character.

Because you selectively choose when you are or are not part of a collective whether it benefits you during that point in time? Social groups don't work like a guild tabard, Crispen, I'm sorry about that. If you don't like that VE's past as guild almost wholly invalidates any of your opinions(yes, opinions) about campaigns, then I can understand your desperate urge to paint me as "salty"--which is the internet equivalent to "well, ur mum,m8". Also, if by farmed, you mean VE's performance against equal numbers of Dom Dom on multiple occasions, then sure those incidents were VE getting farmed. Was top quality entertainment for me, though. Anyway, I most definitely appreciate the concern of whether or not I got Xv1d by VE or not. It's a lovely sentiment, truly.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Well noone else has put in the level of tracking guild presence that I have so what does that make you? If my attempt is only half-assed I guess you are just a lazy ass. I feel most people thought my attempt was beneficial and appreciated the work I did each time I compiled the list. Each person is entitled to their opinion no matter how misguided it may be.

Here are those two threads I compiled one over a year ago and one a few months ago.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266730/pc-na-trueflame-and-haderus-know-thy-enemy-an-overview-of-guilds/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/332387/na-pc-what-pvp-guilds-are-still-active/p1

Here, I'll put the same level of effort that you put in: "Guilds I know exist [rabid speculation of their group size and an inaccurate portrait of which times they run] *leave it posted as such until guilds repeatedly try to correct my inaccurate claims and I do not acquiesce*"
There, I put as much effort into the endeavor as you did. Maybe VE leadership will whisper me yet again to ass-kiss and thank me for my dedication and thank me for trying or w/e else cringe-worthy things I'd get in whispers? I sure do love hearing SLURP when I check my whispers tab, thanks VE.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

So you are also a conspiracy theory nut, your resume just keeps growing.

Because RAM swapping to AD when VE conveniently swapped to AD isn't public knowledge? I'll be sure to shout "conspiracy theory" each time a known fact, which I don't like, is spoken about. Cates r bettr tahn doggos? CONSPIRACY THEORY!1!oneX1
Seriously, that's the weakest counter-argument I've ever seen on the internet.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

VE looks for good fights by playing the map. I am not VE's GM so I can't speak for our guild objectives. They change from time to time as different raid leads run into different situations. I also joined VE when they rerolled to DC at a time that DC needed strong competitive guilds. Most people realized along time ago that day and night crews win campaigns. Some still think otherwise you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided you are.

If you're looking for good fights in empty keeps, then you're doing it wrong. Also, if you're not VE's GM, then why are you claiming what VE does objectives-wise? Considering that you claimed you cannot speak for your guild regarding objectives, it's quite hilarious to contradict yourself in the following sentence. Also, if you wanted to make a huge point of VE not speaking about campaign issues, you sure are positioning as a VE member here.

People most definitely do have control over winning,sorry. It's inherent in the design of Cyro. Claiming individuals have no say in how a Cyro cycle turns out is akin to lying on the ground at the supermarket and wailing about how you have no choice in which Capri Sun you buy. It's alright, get the Fruit Punch. You have a say, trust me.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Yes, Day and Night Crews have control over winning. Always has always will, as long as the scoring remains they way it is. Off hours is what wins campaign as there is no balance there. Primetime is a good competitive balance which is why it doesn't really matter. Once again if you think this is not true well once again you are entitled to your opinion.

I'll name two specific campaigns where that claim of yours is demonstrably false: Wabba 1 and the final cycle of TF. EP didn't have the dominate Oceanic or Day presence in either and won both. I understand how you want to speak from an antedoctal standpoint, and I'm wholly fine with that: however, you should realize that it ceases to be an opinion when it can proven to be utterly true. Also, I'm chuckling at someone trying argue from an anecdotal standpoint with me about Cyro campaigns. I've played way too many cycles and for way too many hours. I guarantee I know more about the minutiae of not only guild politics/drama but of populations/guilds, so come at me with that claim of yours based on anecdotal evidence. I'd love to laugh again.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

There is your conspiracy theory side coming out again. You should really get that checked. If you see a VE member on the field doesn't mean we are running with another guild. I love how yesterday that Tex and I were running a duo team at bleakers and EPs zone blew up about VE stacking raids at bleakers.

For someone who didn't want to speak on behalf of VE leadership, you sure are atm. Sorry, it was Zheg being crown for AK at Chal that piqued my interest. Or maybe AK was just magically following a VE raid lead and performing astronomically better in a purely random and unorchestrated event--and you were claiming I was the conspiracy theorist o.O. Raid leads will help other guilds out, Crispen, it's nothing new. No need to go full-blown Alex Jones over it.

Also, LOL @ having VE members so fixated about EP zone chat but yet having the audacity to claim others are conspiracy theorists.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Everything else you have to say just seems like salt directed at VE. I hope you realize it's not personal when you get farmed by VE. Just like below, you know you are the enemy.

For someone who hackusates people in whispers, you sure are fixated on the idea that anyone who opposes your in-group is "salty". Yes, I'm quite upset that VE make fools out of themselves, like rawr and stuff. Oh, I should explain that your EP zone chat fixation SS also revealed other fixations on your photobucket account, 10/10 top lol

Makes me chuckle that VE is so obsessed with EP zone chat while playing/leading raids on DC/AD that they watch EP zone chat too. Brought a tear to my eye with how the guild that claims they aren't trying to compete will watch EP zone chat. Like how insecure can one be? LOL

Make sure to whisper me to slurp slurp more about my dedication and trying,and whatever else cringe-worthy ish you've whispered me in the past, VE leadership. I'm anxiously awaiting your next round of blatant falsehoods--always worth a chuckle. Toodles until then

Ghost-Shot · June 2017

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

VE isn't talking about campaign issues but I am. If you would like to directly talk about what I'm saying you are more than welcome. Everything else is obviously salt that you have built up against VE. You would probably be a more happy person if you didn't keep all the hate and rage built up inside you. I'm sorry that VE has farmed you so many times that you feel the only way to get back at them is hide behind an anonymous game account not tied to your character.

Because you selectively choose when you are or are not part of a collective whether it benefits you during that point in time? Social groups don't work like a guild tabard, Crispen, I'm sorry about that. If you don't like that VE's past as guild almost wholly invalidates any of your opinions(yes, opinions) about campaigns, then I can understand your desperate urge to paint me as "salty"--which is the internet equivalent to "well, ur mum,m8". Also, if by farmed, you mean VE's performance against equal numbers of Dom Dom on multiple occasions, then sure those incidents were VE getting farmed. Was top quality entertainment for me, though. Anyway, I most definitely appreciate the concern of whether or not I got Xv1d by VE or not. It's a lovely sentiment, truly.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Well noone else has put in the level of tracking guild presence that I have so what does that make you? If my attempt is only half-assed I guess you are just a lazy ass. I feel most people thought my attempt was beneficial and appreciated the work I did each time I compiled the list. Each person is entitled to their opinion no matter how misguided it may be.

Here are those two threads I compiled one over a year ago and one a few months ago.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266730/pc-na-trueflame-and-haderus-know-thy-enemy-an-overview-of-guilds/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/332387/na-pc-what-pvp-guilds-are-still-active/p1

Here, I'll put the same level of effort that you put in: "Guilds I know exist [rabid speculation of their group size and an inaccurate portrait of which times they run] *leave it posted as such until guilds repeatedly try to correct my inaccurate claims and I do not acquiesce*"
There, I put as much effort into the endeavor as you did. Maybe VE leadership will whisper me yet again to ass-kiss and thank me for my dedication and thank me for trying or w/e else cringe-worthy things I'd get in whispers? I sure do love hearing SLURP when I check my whispers tab, thanks VE.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

So you are also a conspiracy theory nut, your resume just keeps growing.

Because RAM swapping to AD when VE conveniently swapped to AD isn't public knowledge? I'll be sure to shout "conspiracy theory" each time a known fact, which I don't like, is spoken about. Cates r bettr tahn doggos? CONSPIRACY THEORY!1!oneX1
Seriously, that's the weakest counter-argument I've ever seen on the internet.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

VE looks for good fights by playing the map. I am not VE's GM so I can't speak for our guild objectives. They change from time to time as different raid leads run into different situations. I also joined VE when they rerolled to DC at a time that DC needed strong competitive guilds. Most people realized along time ago that day and night crews win campaigns. Some still think otherwise you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided you are.

If you're looking for good fights in empty keeps, then you're doing it wrong. Also, if you're not VE's GM, then why are you claiming what VE does objectives-wise? Considering that you claimed you cannot speak for your guild regarding objectives, it's quite hilarious to contradict yourself in the following sentence. Also, if you wanted to make a huge point of VE not speaking about campaign issues, you sure are positioning as a VE member here.

People most definitely do have control over winning,sorry. It's inherent in the design of Cyro. Claiming individuals have no say in how a Cyro cycle turns out is akin to lying on the ground at the supermarket and wailing about how you have no choice in which Capri Sun you buy. It's alright, get the Fruit Punch. You have a say, trust me.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Yes, Day and Night Crews have control over winning. Always has always will, as long as the scoring remains they way it is. Off hours is what wins campaign as there is no balance there. Primetime is a good competitive balance which is why it doesn't really matter. Once again if you think this is not true well once again you are entitled to your opinion.

I'll name two specific campaigns where that claim of yours is demonstrably false: Wabba 1 and the final cycle of TF. EP didn't have the dominate Oceanic or Day presence in either and won both. I understand how you want to speak from an antedoctal standpoint, and I'm wholly fine with that: however, you should realize that it ceases to be an opinion when it can proven to be utterly true. Also, I'm chuckling at someone trying argue from an anecdotal standpoint with me about Cyro campaigns. I've played way too many cycles and for way too many hours. I guarantee I know more about the minutiae of not only guild politics/drama but of populations/guilds, so come at me with that claim of yours based on anecdotal evidence. I'd love to laugh again.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

There is your conspiracy theory side coming out again. You should really get that checked. If you see a VE member on the field doesn't mean we are running with another guild. I love how yesterday that Tex and I were running a duo team at bleakers and EPs zone blew up about VE stacking raids at bleakers.

For someone who didn't want to speak on behalf of VE leadership, you sure are atm. Sorry, it was Zheg being crown for AK at Chal that piqued my interest. Or maybe AK was just magically following a VE raid lead and performing astronomically better in a purely random and unorchestrated event--and you were claiming I was the conspiracy theorist o.O. Raid leads will help other guilds out, Crispen, it's nothing new. No need to go full-blown Alex Jones over it.

Also, LOL @ having VE members so fixated about EP zone chat but yet having the audacity to claim others are conspiracy theorists.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Everything else you have to say just seems like salt directed at VE. I hope you realize it's not personal when you get farmed by VE. Just like below, you know you are the enemy.

For someone who hackusates people in whispers, you sure are fixated on the idea that anyone who opposes your in-group is "salty". Yes, I'm quite upset that VE make fools out of themselves, like rawr and stuff. Oh, I should explain that your EP zone chat fixation SS also revealed other fixations on your photobucket account, 10/10 top lol

Makes me chuckle that VE is so obsessed with EP zone chat while playing/leading raids on DC/AD that they watch EP zone chat too. Brought a tear to my eye with how the guild that claims they aren't trying to compete will watch EP zone chat. Like how insecure can one be? LOL

Make sure to whisper me to slurp slurp more about my dedication and trying,and whatever else cringe-worthy ish you've whispered me in the past, VE leadership. I'm anxiously awaiting your next round of blatant falsehoods--always worth a chuckle. Toodles until then

Where is the evidence of being wiped by dominant dominion repeatedly? If it actually happened I'd love to see it but it seems like as valid a claim as EP fighting "outnumbered" with 4 guild raids in one keep or the outstanding prime time performance of EP crowning an emp at 8:00 AM.

Crispen_Longbow · June 2017

Ghost don't waste your time on this child. He is just another banned troll on another account who hides in the shadows.

Satiar · June 2017

Ghost, Crispy, tis not worth the effort. I'm not sure who exactly dislikes us *this* much but based on his posts he's not someone I gather is worth the trouble of debating.

Ilpagliaccio · June 2017

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

VE isn't talking about campaign issues but I am. If you would like to directly talk about what I'm saying you are more than welcome. Everything else is obviously salt that you have built up against VE. You would probably be a more happy person if you didn't keep all the hate and rage built up inside you. I'm sorry that VE has farmed you so many times that you feel the only way to get back at them is hide behind an anonymous game account not tied to your character.

Because you selectively choose when you are or are not part of a collective whether it benefits you during that point in time? Social groups don't work like a guild tabard, Crispen, I'm sorry about that. If you don't like that VE's past as guild almost wholly invalidates any of your opinions(yes, opinions) about campaigns, then I can understand your desperate urge to paint me as "salty"--which is the internet equivalent to "well, ur mum,m8". Also, if by farmed, you mean VE's performance against equal numbers of Dom Dom on multiple occasions, then sure those incidents were VE getting farmed. Was top quality entertainment for me, though. Anyway, I most definitely appreciate the concern of whether or not I got Xv1d by VE or not. It's a lovely sentiment, truly.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Well noone else has put in the level of tracking guild presence that I have so what does that make you? If my attempt is only half-assed I guess you are just a lazy ass. I feel most people thought my attempt was beneficial and appreciated the work I did each time I compiled the list. Each person is entitled to their opinion no matter how misguided it may be.

Here are those two threads I compiled one over a year ago and one a few months ago.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266730/pc-na-trueflame-and-haderus-know-thy-enemy-an-overview-of-guilds/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/332387/na-pc-what-pvp-guilds-are-still-active/p1

Here, I'll put the same level of effort that you put in: "Guilds I know exist [rabid speculation of their group size and an inaccurate portrait of which times they run] *leave it posted as such until guilds repeatedly try to correct my inaccurate claims and I do not acquiesce*"
There, I put as much effort into the endeavor as you did. Maybe VE leadership will whisper me yet again to ass-kiss and thank me for my dedication and thank me for trying or w/e else cringe-worthy things I'd get in whispers? I sure do love hearing SLURP when I check my whispers tab, thanks VE.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

So you are also a conspiracy theory nut, your resume just keeps growing.

Because RAM swapping to AD when VE conveniently swapped to AD isn't public knowledge? I'll be sure to shout "conspiracy theory" each time a known fact, which I don't like, is spoken about. Cates r bettr tahn doggos? CONSPIRACY THEORY!1!oneX1
Seriously, that's the weakest counter-argument I've ever seen on the internet.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

VE looks for good fights by playing the map. I am not VE's GM so I can't speak for our guild objectives. They change from time to time as different raid leads run into different situations. I also joined VE when they rerolled to DC at a time that DC needed strong competitive guilds. Most people realized along time ago that day and night crews win campaigns. Some still think otherwise you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided you are.

If you're looking for good fights in empty keeps, then you're doing it wrong. Also, if you're not VE's GM, then why are you claiming what VE does objectives-wise? Considering that you claimed you cannot speak for your guild regarding objectives, it's quite hilarious to contradict yourself in the following sentence. Also, if you wanted to make a huge point of VE not speaking about campaign issues, you sure are positioning as a VE member here.

People most definitely do have control over winning,sorry. It's inherent in the design of Cyro. Claiming individuals have no say in how a Cyro cycle turns out is akin to lying on the ground at the supermarket and wailing about how you have no choice in which Capri Sun you buy. It's alright, get the Fruit Punch. You have a say, trust me.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Yes, Day and Night Crews have control over winning. Always has always will, as long as the scoring remains they way it is. Off hours is what wins campaign as there is no balance there. Primetime is a good competitive balance which is why it doesn't really matter. Once again if you think this is not true well once again you are entitled to your opinion.

I'll name two specific campaigns where that claim of yours is demonstrably false: Wabba 1 and the final cycle of TF. EP didn't have the dominate Oceanic or Day presence in either and won both. I understand how you want to speak from an antedoctal standpoint, and I'm wholly fine with that: however, you should realize that it ceases to be an opinion when it can proven to be utterly true. Also, I'm chuckling at someone trying argue from an anecdotal standpoint with me about Cyro campaigns. I've played way too many cycles and for way too many hours. I guarantee I know more about the minutiae of not only guild politics/drama but of populations/guilds, so come at me with that claim of yours based on anecdotal evidence. I'd love to laugh again.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

There is your conspiracy theory side coming out again. You should really get that checked. If you see a VE member on the field doesn't mean we are running with another guild. I love how yesterday that Tex and I were running a duo team at bleakers and EPs zone blew up about VE stacking raids at bleakers.

For someone who didn't want to speak on behalf of VE leadership, you sure are atm. Sorry, it was Zheg being crown for AK at Chal that piqued my interest. Or maybe AK was just magically following a VE raid lead and performing astronomically better in a purely random and unorchestrated event--and you were claiming I was the conspiracy theorist o.O. Raid leads will help other guilds out, Crispen, it's nothing new. No need to go full-blown Alex Jones over it.

Also, LOL @ having VE members so fixated about EP zone chat but yet having the audacity to claim others are conspiracy theorists.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Everything else you have to say just seems like salt directed at VE. I hope you realize it's not personal when you get farmed by VE. Just like below, you know you are the enemy.

For someone who hackusates people in whispers, you sure are fixated on the idea that anyone who opposes your in-group is "salty". Yes, I'm quite upset that VE make fools out of themselves, like rawr and stuff. Oh, I should explain that your EP zone chat fixation SS also revealed other fixations on your photobucket account, 10/10 top lol

Makes me chuckle that VE is so obsessed with EP zone chat while playing/leading raids on DC/AD that they watch EP zone chat too. Brought a tear to my eye with how the guild that claims they aren't trying to compete will watch EP zone chat. Like how insecure can one be? LOL

Make sure to whisper me to slurp slurp more about my dedication and trying,and whatever else cringe-worthy ish you've whispered me in the past, VE leadership. I'm anxiously awaiting your next round of blatant falsehoods--always worth a chuckle. Toodles until then

Where is the evidence of being wiped by dominant dominion repeatedly? If it actually happened I'd love to see it but it seems like as valid a claim as EP fighting "outnumbered" with 4 guild raids in one keep or the outstanding prime time performance of EP crowning an emp at 8:00 AM.

Oh, you think my emp reign started at 8 am? No, it started on a Friday during primetime and lasted for 17 hours--having been up for 12 hours prior to the crowning to bypass Meth in ap gains for the 5th time that cycle. Having a VE member log onto EP to claim I "begged" Meth to let me have Emp made me chortle though. Anyway, what was that about an 8 am Emp? Is that claim located in the same bin that the "We didnt wipe to Dom Dom" denial is in?

Also, I'll be on ESO in about 20 mins, so VE leadership can send their cringe-worthy,ass-kissing whispers like they've done in the past.

xoxoxoxoxoxoxox Papa Canio

Ghost-Shot · June 2017

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

VE isn't talking about campaign issues but I am. If you would like to directly talk about what I'm saying you are more than welcome. Everything else is obviously salt that you have built up against VE. You would probably be a more happy person if you didn't keep all the hate and rage built up inside you. I'm sorry that VE has farmed you so many times that you feel the only way to get back at them is hide behind an anonymous game account not tied to your character.

Because you selectively choose when you are or are not part of a collective whether it benefits you during that point in time? Social groups don't work like a guild tabard, Crispen, I'm sorry about that. If you don't like that VE's past as guild almost wholly invalidates any of your opinions(yes, opinions) about campaigns, then I can understand your desperate urge to paint me as "salty"--which is the internet equivalent to "well, ur mum,m8". Also, if by farmed, you mean VE's performance against equal numbers of Dom Dom on multiple occasions, then sure those incidents were VE getting farmed. Was top quality entertainment for me, though. Anyway, I most definitely appreciate the concern of whether or not I got Xv1d by VE or not. It's a lovely sentiment, truly.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Well noone else has put in the level of tracking guild presence that I have so what does that make you? If my attempt is only half-assed I guess you are just a lazy ass. I feel most people thought my attempt was beneficial and appreciated the work I did each time I compiled the list. Each person is entitled to their opinion no matter how misguided it may be.

Here are those two threads I compiled one over a year ago and one a few months ago.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266730/pc-na-trueflame-and-haderus-know-thy-enemy-an-overview-of-guilds/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/332387/na-pc-what-pvp-guilds-are-still-active/p1

Here, I'll put the same level of effort that you put in: "Guilds I know exist [rabid speculation of their group size and an inaccurate portrait of which times they run] *leave it posted as such until guilds repeatedly try to correct my inaccurate claims and I do not acquiesce*"
There, I put as much effort into the endeavor as you did. Maybe VE leadership will whisper me yet again to ass-kiss and thank me for my dedication and thank me for trying or w/e else cringe-worthy things I'd get in whispers? I sure do love hearing SLURP when I check my whispers tab, thanks VE.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

So you are also a conspiracy theory nut, your resume just keeps growing.

Because RAM swapping to AD when VE conveniently swapped to AD isn't public knowledge? I'll be sure to shout "conspiracy theory" each time a known fact, which I don't like, is spoken about. Cates r bettr tahn doggos? CONSPIRACY THEORY!1!oneX1
Seriously, that's the weakest counter-argument I've ever seen on the internet.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

VE looks for good fights by playing the map. I am not VE's GM so I can't speak for our guild objectives. They change from time to time as different raid leads run into different situations. I also joined VE when they rerolled to DC at a time that DC needed strong competitive guilds. Most people realized along time ago that day and night crews win campaigns. Some still think otherwise you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided you are.

If you're looking for good fights in empty keeps, then you're doing it wrong. Also, if you're not VE's GM, then why are you claiming what VE does objectives-wise? Considering that you claimed you cannot speak for your guild regarding objectives, it's quite hilarious to contradict yourself in the following sentence. Also, if you wanted to make a huge point of VE not speaking about campaign issues, you sure are positioning as a VE member here.

People most definitely do have control over winning,sorry. It's inherent in the design of Cyro. Claiming individuals have no say in how a Cyro cycle turns out is akin to lying on the ground at the supermarket and wailing about how you have no choice in which Capri Sun you buy. It's alright, get the Fruit Punch. You have a say, trust me.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Yes, Day and Night Crews have control over winning. Always has always will, as long as the scoring remains they way it is. Off hours is what wins campaign as there is no balance there. Primetime is a good competitive balance which is why it doesn't really matter. Once again if you think this is not true well once again you are entitled to your opinion.

I'll name two specific campaigns where that claim of yours is demonstrably false: Wabba 1 and the final cycle of TF. EP didn't have the dominate Oceanic or Day presence in either and won both. I understand how you want to speak from an antedoctal standpoint, and I'm wholly fine with that: however, you should realize that it ceases to be an opinion when it can proven to be utterly true. Also, I'm chuckling at someone trying argue from an anecdotal standpoint with me about Cyro campaigns. I've played way too many cycles and for way too many hours. I guarantee I know more about the minutiae of not only guild politics/drama but of populations/guilds, so come at me with that claim of yours based on anecdotal evidence. I'd love to laugh again.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

There is your conspiracy theory side coming out again. You should really get that checked. If you see a VE member on the field doesn't mean we are running with another guild. I love how yesterday that Tex and I were running a duo team at bleakers and EPs zone blew up about VE stacking raids at bleakers.

For someone who didn't want to speak on behalf of VE leadership, you sure are atm. Sorry, it was Zheg being crown for AK at Chal that piqued my interest. Or maybe AK was just magically following a VE raid lead and performing astronomically better in a purely random and unorchestrated event--and you were claiming I was the conspiracy theorist o.O. Raid leads will help other guilds out, Crispen, it's nothing new. No need to go full-blown Alex Jones over it.

Also, LOL @ having VE members so fixated about EP zone chat but yet having the audacity to claim others are conspiracy theorists.

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Everything else you have to say just seems like salt directed at VE. I hope you realize it's not personal when you get farmed by VE. Just like below, you know you are the enemy.

For someone who hackusates people in whispers, you sure are fixated on the idea that anyone who opposes your in-group is "salty". Yes, I'm quite upset that VE make fools out of themselves, like rawr and stuff. Oh, I should explain that your EP zone chat fixation SS also revealed other fixations on your photobucket account, 10/10 top lol

Makes me chuckle that VE is so obsessed with EP zone chat while playing/leading raids on DC/AD that they watch EP zone chat too. Brought a tear to my eye with how the guild that claims they aren't trying to compete will watch EP zone chat. Like how insecure can one be? LOL

Make sure to whisper me to slurp slurp more about my dedication and trying,and whatever else cringe-worthy ish you've whispered me in the past, VE leadership. I'm anxiously awaiting your next round of blatant falsehoods--always worth a chuckle. Toodles until then

Where is the evidence of being wiped by dominant dominion repeatedly? If it actually happened I'd love to see it but it seems like as valid a claim as EP fighting "outnumbered" with 4 guild raids in one keep or the outstanding prime time performance of EP crowning an emp at 8:00 AM.

Oh, you think my emp reign started at 8 am? No, it started on a Friday during primetime and lasted for 17 hours--having been up for 12 hours prior to the crowning to bypass Meth in ap gains for the 5th time that cycle. Having a VE member log onto EP to claim I "begged" Meth to let me have Emp made me chortle though. Anyway, what was that about an 8 am Emp? Is that claim located in the same bin that the "We didnt wipe to Dom Dom" denial is in?

Also, I'll be on ESO in about 20 mins, so VE leadership can send their cringe-worthy,ass-kissing whispers like they've done in the past.

xoxoxoxoxoxoxox Papa Canio

Tuesday morning when Ghostbane got crowned, and how old of an emp are you talking about? I don't recall an emp being crowned in any of the past few Friday nights. And since you take my request for evidence to be denial (LOL reading is hard apparently) I will just assume you are making it up, feel free to link me a video though.

If that is your name I've never heard of you so you can't be that significant.

Agrippa_Invisus · June 2017

Well, tbf, saying that any guild wiped to DomDom repeatedly is a bit incredulous.

Crispen_Longbow · June 2017

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Also, I'll be on ESO in about 20 mins, so VE leadership can send their cringe-worthy,ass-kissing whispers like they've done in the past.

xoxoxoxoxoxoxox Papa Canio

LOL you are Toosk, everything makes sense now.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/profile/comments/5040242/TooskSG

How many times have you been banned from the forums now? Old troll new face, once again will add you to the my ignore list. Stay salty!

Texas · June 2017

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

Your incoherent ramblings remind me of Toosk.

Elong · June 2017

VE zerging on the forums again I see.

Texas · June 2017

Elong wrote: »

VE zerging on the forums again I see.

Well it's hard to Xv1 without the X

Ilpagliaccio · June 2017

Satiar wrote: »

Ghost, Crispy, tis not worth the effort. I'm not sure who exactly dislikes us *this* much but based on his posts he's not someone I gather is worth the trouble of debating.

You really should teach your guildies how not to get triggered. Still hilarious how easy it is to get VE to zerg the forums though. Just challenge their delusional worldview and bam. 10/10 on the peer validation per usual--10 more likes from our guildies and we showed him what for lololol

5 more likes from VE on one of their guildie's post and I'll post some more slurp. It's 10/10, fam