Battlegrounds for everyone?

Edziu

Enodoc wrote: »

I don't know if I'd feel cheated, but given that Battlegrounds are advertised as a feature of the Morrowind chapter, they should only be available to people who have purchased Morrowind. If they added Battlegrounds without requiring Morrowind ownership, the relative value of Morrowind would decrease, as one of the things you specifically purchased Morrowind for would be available without it (even if they're different maps).

at all now morrowind just overpriced dlc and battlegrounds as pvp content which is so small in compare to pve content is just pathetic someone who is only pvp player and have in ass morrowind he is forced to buy full this *** for only battlegrounds, atleast will be bmuch better if battlegrounds will be separately to buy in crown store

Bobby_V_Rockit

They should be behind the pay wall, but they are only for PvP'ers. Not for everyone. I got Morrowind for literally everything BUT battlegrounds. But its about time PvP got something new to buy

Flaminir

A fundamental game mode should be base game...

BUT, there's nothing to stop QOL upgrades being tied to something like ESO plus to make that more valuable...

EG: Allowing ESO plus members to choose their game mode when queuing, while non-subs get the current 'grab bag'.

max_only

Hm, this is turning out to be a rather civil discussion and I'm glad.

I bought Morrowind for exploration and was surprised BGs wasn't included in the base game. other than soul crushing nerfs was the base game given anything new with the recent update?

GreatGildersleeve

Meh. PvP. I know it has its fans but I couldn't care less. Battlegrounds made no difference to me in my Morrowind purchase and it would have been fine as a base game upgrade. I still wouldn't be using them.

AdamBourke

I think that the battlegrounds in vvardenfell should be restricted to morrowind owners.

I expect that they will be introduced in the future in other DLCs. I can particularly see them introducing them in the "Dungeon DLCs" for the original Alliance Zones.

I wouldn't mind if even later in the future, there were one or two added to the base game. This could help to introduce people to battlegrounds who dont have any DLCs, encouraging them to buy more?

max_only

GreatGildersleeve wrote: »

Meh. PvP. I know it has its fans but I couldn't care less. Battlegrounds made no difference to me in my Morrowind purchase and it would have been fine as a base game upgrade. I still wouldn't be using them.

Yeah I'm not planning on using them either, maybe once just to see it.

AdamBourke wrote: »

I think that the battlegrounds in vvardenfell should be restricted to morrowind owners.

I expect that they will be introduced in the future in other DLCs. I can particularly see them introducing them in the "Dungeon DLCs" for the original Alliance Zones.

I wouldn't mind if even later in the future, there were one or two added to the base game. This could help to introduce people to battlegrounds who dont have any DLCs, encouraging them to buy more?

Maybe they sell the least popular mode in the crown store as a taste of what they could get if they bought Morrowind?

I'm thinking a free BG weekend is going to come up. Zos, like any successful pusher likes to make the first taste free lol

Strider_Roshin

It's pretty messed up that they excluded those that didn't purchase Morrowind IMO.

I'm loving the expansion thus far, but this decision was pretty low.

NewBlacksmurf

It was marketed as Morrowind only and sits in the zone so it should always require the chapter.

It would be like adding MSA to the base game outside of Orsinium.

Vyle_Byte

While Im not really too interested in BG's even tho I own Morrowind, I do find it a bit crappy that they weren't included in the base game. BG's have been asked for since the beginning of ESO from the pvp community. Literally since Beta. Content for pvp'ers who've had Cyro and IC (which is half pve) only, since the start. Feels slimy to me, something that was promised years ago finally coming into the game, at cost.

Personally I think that in order to make this dlc feel more like an expansion (chapter, w/e) they felt they had to include BGs to make it more appealing to those who have been waiting for it, ie they wanted our money. Had BGs been included in base game, Im gonna bet a lot of pvp'ers wouldn't have bought it. I know several that bought it simply for that.

All comes down to dollar signs man. And an expansion that feels like a dlc zone. Which is.. disappointing.

lihentian

imo all pvp content should be public content.

this include warden class and battleground. (i own morrowind)

idk

It's. It about feeling cheated. Is someone wants to play constant beyond the base game it should cost regardless of the area of the game.

It would be a bad business decision to make PvP essentially free and charge others just because the okay PvE. Basically, it would be stupid for Zos to go they direction.

out51d3r

I bought Morrowind mostly for Battlegrounds. I don't think I'd have bought it if it wasn't required to get into BGs.

That being said, it wouldn't bother me if people got BG access without Morrowind 6-12 months from now. People can have for free what I paid for, as long as I actually got some benefit from paying. Playing BGs 6 months early would be enough for me.

Soleya

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It's. It about feeling cheated. Is someone wants to play constant beyond the base game it should cost regardless of the area of the game.

It would be a bad business decision to make PvP essentially free and charge others just because the okay PvE. Basically, it would be stupid for Zos to go they direction.

Another way to look at it is if PVP content is locked behind a paywall, as players stop playing or quit game, there will be less players playing Battlegrounds, which means longer wait times to get into matches. Thus hurting the person who paid for content. The larger the player base who has access to the content, the more likely there will be people to play with.

For the most part PVE doesn't suffer from this because you can do the content solo.

I've seen this happen in the battlefield games. DLC comes out, has a decent number of players first few weeks, then dies off, while the base game maps are full of players. After a few weeks/months you can't even find a server on new maps with players in it.

Danksta

Except I wasn't surprised.

acw37162

No, it's a pay to play feature and I'd prefer they keep it that way.

Alaztor91

It's not like splitting the minority of the population in the game (PvP) even more is going to cause trouble right? I mean look how populated Imperial City is or all those new campaigns being added to Cyrodiil?

But what do I know lol.

Waffennacht

Ohh! No wonder low population,they need to open that sucka up!

Edziu

acw37162 wrote: »

No, it's a pay to play feature and I'd prefer they keep it that way.

if it wont be inside morrowind I will buy it for cheaper price as upgrade to account or something like that like digital imperial edition upgrade in crown store becaus eI dont want to pay 4x more than for dlc for just battlegrounds

I will be fine if battlegrounds will be behind paywall but as singel thing to buy, without paying to much for at all overpriced morrowind, split it from morrowind also behind paywall but much cheaper as single upgrade and I will pay for this like I was paying for just eso+

Goshua

What I'm wondering is, is this the only BG's tied to a Chapter we will ever see?

If you never buy MW no BG's ever? or will they hide future maps behind a new pay wall so even MW buyers will have to pay for additional BG content/maps?

JackDaniell

The current battlegrounds system almost ensures BGS will be dead within a few months.

IcyDeadPeople

max_only wrote: »

Let's assume a perfect world where Battlegrounds works as envisioned for this question.

Will you feel "cheated" if they opened up battlegrounds to the base game, accessible to players who didn't buy Morrowind?

So here it is, should battlegrounds be for everyone?

I didn't mind paying for Morrowind and Battlegrounds access, but the more total concurrent players at all different skill levels, the better the overall experience for everyone and the easier it becomes for the system to assign fair teams. So I hope at some point they offer Battlegrounds or Morrowind on sale very cheap for new players.

Waffennacht

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Let's assume a perfect world where Battlegrounds works as envisioned for this question.

Will you feel "cheated" if they opened up battlegrounds to the base game, accessible to players who didn't buy Morrowind?

So here it is, should battlegrounds be for everyone?

I didn't mind paying for Morrowind and Battlegrounds access, but the more total concurrent players at all different skill levels, the better the overall experience for everyone and the easier it becomes for the system to assign fair teams. So I hope at some point they offer Battlegrounds or Morrowind on sale very cheap for new players.

Exactly.

I realize that if it's for those whom only paid for it, then the likely hood increases that it fails - meaning I paid for absolutely nothing

If it becomes cheap or even free I get a more secure gaming experience - meaning the product I bought provides utility

Logically, opening it up for cheap or free is actually increasing the value of investment, while keeping it behind a pay wall almost ensures a loss upon my investment.

Aka it's better for those whom paid to want it to be free or cheap for everyone else

max_only

I wonder if there was a poll of Morrowind purchasers how many really prioritized battlegrounds in their decision to purchase..

As it's been pointed out, that's a pretty penny to pay for a little more pvp. Maybe there aren't enough people (of a variety of levels) signing up to queue for BGs and that is adding to the mismatch problems.

Not based on any scientific evidence but I feel that the majority of Morrowind purchasers bought it for exploration, nostalgia, and the warden - BGs being an afterthought.

idk

Soleya wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It's. It about feeling cheated. Is someone wants to play constant beyond the base game it should cost regardless of the area of the game.

It would be a bad business decision to make PvP essentially free and charge others just because the okay PvE. Basically, it would be stupid for Zos to go they direction.

Another way to look at it is if PVP content is locked behind a paywall, as players stop playing or quit game, there will be less players playing Battlegrounds, which means longer wait times to get into matches. Thus hurting the person who paid for content. The larger the player base who has access to the content, the more likely there will be people to play with.

@Soleya

If the game is that bad then BGs will not be worth it.

BGs are content. If Zos was going to keep PvP free then there would be no BGs. No reason to take the time or spend the money to make them. That is the way the only way to really look at it.

If BGs are not a success then Zos knows new aspects for PvP should not be considered.

max_only

I feel like this is relevant again.

Feanor

No way this is gonna happen either without a payment from the new users or a compensation for the ones who bought the "chapter". Just imagine the *** storm if people find out they had to pay 40 bucks to beta test that stuff and the other ones get the polished product for free.

Magdalina

I wasn't surprised they decided to lock them behind a paywall but I think it's a bad decision for BGs longterm viability. They vitally depend on having enough people to make up matches at any time(preferably more than 12 people too because fighting very same people all the time gets boring).

If there're not enough people, BGs will simply die. It's not Cyrodiil where you ride to action, jump around waiting for actions, talk random stuff in zchat and play funny emotes waiting for action...it's "open groupfinder and go" kind of activity, if it doesn't work quickly it might as well not work at all - some people will get frustrated there're no matches or it's all the same people all the time and stop queueing, and it will only spiral downward from there. Less people=>less/slower matching/more of the same people=>more frustration=>even less people...

I really wish they'd open them for everyone. Idc about having paid "extra" for them, dead BGs negate the point of having paid that extra money in the first place.

Dubhliam

I was honestly surprised when I realised it wasn't base game, but then the whole price tag on the Morrowind chapter made a whole lot more sense.

I own Morrowind, and am of the opinion everyone should. Other games lock you out completely after a new chapter unless you buy it, so having the option to play the game without upgrading should be taken with gratitude.
New players don't even have the option to buy ESO without Morrowind, it is the new chapter after all.

That being said, I would like it if players would be given the option to play Battlegrounds with an active ESO+ membership.
I know it may not be as simple to implement, otherwise, who knows, maybe they would have already enabled BGs for subscribers.

I don't expect them to unlock them for everyone. No way.

Bashev

ESO+ should give access to battlegrounds. If ZoS add Battlegrounds as DLC it will be also nice. Also each account who doesn't have access to battlegrounds should be able to play 5 games per day.