Battlegrounds for everyone?

Stopnaggin

I really don't care one way or the other. The thing that bothers me is how everyone assumes that the game going forward must stay tied to the base game itself. Countless threads on how the festival was gated behind a paywall, everything is gated behind a paywall, some chose to pay the second toll and got extras.

Everything from launch to death doesn't have to be tied to the base game. It's nice to have a change. Would it have been a bad thing to add it to the base game, no. It wouldn't have hurt my feelings if they did add it, pvpers need something other than IC and Cyrodill, but they can pay for it just like the rest of us.

Chelo

Im sitting at top 5 this week, wouldnt mind more people to kill =D

Stopnaggin

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

While Im not really too interested in BG's even tho I own Morrowind, I do find it a bit crappy that they weren't included in the base game. BG's have been asked for since the beginning of ESO from the pvp community. Literally since Beta. Content for pvp'ers who've had Cyro and IC (which is half pve) only, since the start. Feels slimy to me, something that was promised years ago finally coming into the game, at cost.

Personally I think that in order to make this dlc feel more like an expansion (chapter, w/e) they felt they had to include BGs to make it more appealing to those who have been waiting for it, ie they wanted our money. Had BGs been included in base game, Im gonna bet a lot of pvp'ers wouldn't have bought it. I know several that bought it simply for that.

All comes down to dollar signs man. And an expansion that feels like a dlc zone. Which is.. disappointing.

Morrowind had been asked for too, but that doesn't mean it should be free. I'll put the dlc vs chapter argument aside for a minute. Every DLC in the game is behind a paywall, bought by crowns, eso + or a special edition upgrade, all of those cost money. So they are in fact behind a paywall. If you wanted to play those it had a cost behind it.

Now on to the DLC vs Chapter argument. OK ZOS changed their business model. Right or wrong they did. $40 for Morrowind isn't that bad of a deal. Iirc Orsinium was 5000 crowns which is a little over $40. They only noticeable difference is not being able to use your saved crowns. As the newness wore off Orsinium, the price came down, so those who paid for it when it first came out paid the full price. Morrowind will follow in the same footsteps. The illusion is that all those DLC add on were free with plus, no they arent, you spend that same money either way, you are in fact paying, and honestly us eso + people probably pay more than retaIL because we are a recurring revenue instead of a one time purchase.

coop500

Either this or as others have stated, give Morrowind players comp for it. I'd take some crowns even, but don't just rip us off.

Rikkof

The pol clearly shows that BG's should have been part of teh base game.
Not that i care too much, i can go Cyrodiil for pvp, but this is THE ONLY GAME where you need to buy a DLC to acces a play feature ( mind you, not an area, a new dungeon or a new class, but a PLAY FEATURE...)
Imagine WoW would have made bg's expansion only.....in fact there are specific battlefields tied to different expansions ( Mist of pandaria for example) and oyu can still play those without owning MoP.
This was pure money grab from ZOS, nothing else...
DESTINY 2 cant come sooner....:(

max_only

I was surprised they didn't open it up for the event as a "taste".

They Could have roped in some more people via peer pressure to play in a premade team.

BraidasNM

it's really weird. i think if some1 was telling about this game as a new pvp player, having to buy BG's separately would make me hesitant

Cously

I paid Morrowind because ZOS manipulated old feelings. Or...I'd paid anyways since I'm a huge fanboy. However, I think they should open it for base game, because BGs will benefit from having more players to play with. My experience with PVP games is that you want to make sure you can get as many people on it as possible to keep it going. I say ZOS should milk until 2018 then open for all.

Olupajmibanan

The more players join in, the better the mode gets. I couldn't understand why they not made BGs public, I can't understand it now.

If they wanted money so much, they should put BGs as separate DLC in the Crown Store. Morrowind is one time purchase only, ESO+ is continuous and BGs would increase it's attractivity.

Azurya

no money, no fun
you have a cellphone that costs more a month then this morrowind chapter, so pls stop weeping

MarbleQuiche

I'd like to see it accessible to everyone, either as a crown purchase or through ESO+. On that second one, so long as they don't drop it into their release cycle as an ESO+ DLC. That would make me feel cheated as I bought Morrowind and sub.

Those who bought Morrowind and would feel cheated, give it a few months. It won't be long until they're deserted because most of you have moved onto something else. Those left behind will feel more cheated by their inability to get a group than by a purchase they once made.

Khenarthi

I understand Morrowind is a chapter because of Warden. Otherwise, if Morrowind was a DLC and people accessed and created a Warden while subbed, what would happen to that character if he sub expired? Would not be right to have the character blocked.

Battlegrounds should have been for everyone from the beginning, and I don't feel it will devalue my purchase of Morrowind when this happens.

(I bought Morrowind form preorder and keep a 6-month recurring sub, for the record)

max_only

To be clear about my pov, I preordered Morrowind on day 1 so this isn't an issue for me. I'm thinking about the long term effects on Battleground matching. Soon there will be nothing but the same 12 people over and over again if they don't inject a healthy population of random new blood.

coop500

Azurya wrote: »

no money, no fun
you have a cellphone that costs more a month then this morrowind chapter, so pls stop weeping

Actually no I don't own a cell phone

idk

A really biased poll. I guess that's what OP wanted.

To me it's not about being cheated. BGs are part of Morrowind. If someone is to cheap, lazy or has their head up some dark hole that they aren't buying Morrowind then it's their choice to not have access to BGs. No real reason for BGs to be made available to the base game.

It's really a great idea for Zos to make BGs part of Morrowind. There are some who don't sub nor by DLCs and of course didn't buy Morrowind. This thread would not have been created if it wasn't the case. Making it part of Morrowind justifies Zos spending the time and money to build BGs and possibly more PvP in the future.

Of course some would vote to have it free since many are ones who don't want to pony up.

PlautisCarvain

Yes!!!!! That would be amazing!

max_only

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

A really biased poll. I guess that's what OP wanted.

To me it's not about being cheated. BGs are part of Morrowind. If someone is to cheap, lazy or has their head up some dark hole that they aren't buying Morrowind then it's their choice to not have access to BGs. No real reason for BGs to be made available to the base game.

It's really a great idea for Zos to make BGs part of Morrowind. There are some who don't sub nor by DLCs and of course didn't buy Morrowind. This thread would not have been created if it wasn't the case. Making it part of Morrowind justifies Zos spending the time and money to build BGs and possibly more PvP in the future.

Of course some would vote to have it free since many are ones who don't want to pony up.

Did you see there was an "other" choice? Did you read any of the thread, specifically my responses? You don't know what "OP" wanted because the poll is private.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4377148/#Comment_4377148

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4216233/#Comment_4216233

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4218798/#Comment_4218798

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4217468/#Comment_4217468

I'm the prototypical fanboy whale and I still think BGs should have some other access point.

Try again.

Darlgon

I want a PVE battleground, where one of the teams in NPCs at my level..

YEAH>..........

Medakon

Would select yes it should been a default to the base game, but I didnt like "I was suprised it wasnt" part. I knew it wasnt a part of it so before it was released..

idk

max_only wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

A really biased poll. I guess that's what OP wanted.

To me it's not about being cheated. BGs are part of Morrowind. If someone is to cheap, lazy or has their head up some dark hole that they aren't buying Morrowind then it's their choice to not have access to BGs. No real reason for BGs to be made available to the base game.

It's really a great idea for Zos to make BGs part of Morrowind. There are some who don't sub nor by DLCs and of course didn't buy Morrowind. This thread would not have been created if it wasn't the case. Making it part of Morrowind justifies Zos spending the time and money to build BGs and possibly more PvP in the future.

Of course some would vote to have it free since many are ones who don't want to pony up.

Did you see there was an "other" choice? Did you read any of the thread, specifically my responses? You don't know what "OP" wanted because the poll is private.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4377148/#Comment_4377148

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4216233/#Comment_4216233

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4218798/#Comment_4218798

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4217468/#Comment_4217468

I'm the prototypical fanboy whale and I still think BGs should have some other access point.

Try again.

Lol. Seriously? The OP sets a he tone in both his opening statements and the biased setup of poll options. It's irrelevant what the OP stated later or how he voted. The "other option sits so well with the 4 other options. That are clearly worded to be biased.

It doesn't take much reasoning to see that though I guess some might be blinded by a desire to have free access to the BGs or not having to pay fir them otherwise.

Regardless, if someone wants to BG they're gonna have to pony up. Clear and simple. It will not be moved to the base game nor sold for crowns. It was a business decision and considering I'm not having to wait for the queue to pop it seems to have played out well.

A lame biased poll is a lame biased poll regardless of what it's about. It hilarious anyone attempts to defend such garbage. Fortunately Zos sees the such a poll is not worth considering for a moment.

max_only

I am the OP Giles..... I do not have an ulterior motive like "free" content behind this poll. You maybe assume too much?

I'm used to MMOs having base game upgrades along with new expansions. The only difference is that they were subscription models. Which is why there is an option to allow paying customers the ability to queue for Battlegrounds. It doesn't give them Warden or the new quest area, or even the new dungeon/trials. I'm talking about a game mode that benefits from having a larger population from which to draw.

AnviOfVai

i think it should of been for everyone too, especially with this event going on.

Enodoc

The more that is added to the content of the base game, the more Morrowind is devalued. While I don't agree with the way they constructed the Morrowind chapter content (I would have much preferred a Vvardenfell DLC, Wardens as an account upgrade, and Battlegrounds as a separate DLC), it is now the way it is, and in order for Morrowind to maintain (and potentially increase) its value, I do not believe that battlegrounds should ever be available without that Chapter purchase.

notimetocare

Biased poll is biased. No, It is a Morrowind pvp addition.

notimetocare

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

My bestie is not getting Morrowind, I wish I could play with him even if I paid and he didnt...:(...I miss him. Not even doing battlegrounds because he isnt there :'(.

Sounds like his problem

NBrookus

Everyone ready to QQ if morrowind/battlegrounds ever becomes free better just get ready for it. ZOS will almost certainly eventually cycle old content into the base game -- probably at the point when they feel the sales of older DLC are less than the extra sales they will get from a more attractive base game. Looks at the Guilds and Glory package, for example.

Part of the $40 was getting to play it when it was new a shiny. When it goes on sale in a year for half off, do you think you'll get a $20 refund?

Vostorn

Battlegrounds should be open to everyone but with a priority on the queue for those who paid.

This way we can have a big player base but people who paid for Morrowind will not feel cheated too much.

Would also be a way for ZOS to tease players who didn't buy.

Tandor

I can't vote as it's a biased poll (there's a surprise).

However, to me it's quite simple. If you want to play the whole game then don't expect to pay only for part of it. If Battlegrounds are that important to you, then buy the content that includes them.

dpencil1

They simply need to make Battlegrounds access something that is purchasable a la cart in the Crown Store. I understand why they would not do that roght at the start since mainly PvP players would be less inclined to buy Morrowind. I hope they do put it on the Crown Store at some point, though. We need more people in there.

O_LYKOS

I'd suggest perhaps the eso plus bonus could have worked. Prior to it being sold as apart of buying Morrowind.

Like Turelus said, if this was to change I'd expect some sort of compensation due to the reduce value of Morrowind.