ESO: Morrowind Size Comparison (Now With A Summerset Update)

Seraphayel

The picture you just used has already been proven wrong and out of scale/proportion.

Who cares if Summerset is 2x or 10x the size of Auridon when the accessible part is just 1.1x Auridon? I mean seriously? What are we even discussing here.

Seraphayel

XomRhoK wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

We know that it's properly scaled from the map sizes that are available in the game files.

Here is an explanation: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5065181/#Comment_5065181

On the paper his maths seems right, but if you look at the model of the ships, on the picture he made, the size of them differs, but models of the ship are the same (i based it on visiting Auridon and watch Summerset gameplay trailer). It differs at nearly 84% if you measure them. Same difference mentioned in the @Shinni 's posts

Shinni wrote: »

My addon HarvestMap has to measure the zone, so it can properly display 3D pins and compute distance between resources etc.
When I debugged HarvestMap to track the new jewelry resources, I realized that the size of the zone does not match the size of the 2D map.
Using the addon API, you can compute that Summerset is 84% of its size compared to the Tamriel map.

Shinni wrote: »

These must be pretty old measurements (since the Auridon map was rescaled a few times) or inaccurate ones, which is not unlikely given you used walking distance/time to perform measurements.
1km in Auridon and 1km in Vvardenfell are both equal to 0.04% of Tamriel map width, if you measure the distance by using the 3D add-on api or if you use SetPlayerWaypointByWorldLocation(x,y,z) to place two markers 1km apart from each other.

So earlier i made Summerset and Auridon maps comparison based on size of the ships in docks.

Now i did what u did, impose maps of Summerset and Auridon. Public dungeon, trial and small island at the west don't colored in red. I added some transparency, copied and replaced red zones that fell under Auridon map. And, based on the result, size of Summerset and Auridon nearly identical.

This is the only map that seems to take care of the real in game proportions. At least more than the map you used (where you clearly can see that Auridon is scaled smaller than Summerset).

And as already pointed out, this is exactly how Summerset feels when you're traveling it. It doesn't feel massive nor big at all. It feels like every usual zone in ESO. And that's far from being the "biggest zone" like it has been stated by ZOS.

Inhuman003

The real problem is the question if you have 30 to 40 Quests missions in a game it's not going to be is good but if you had surround 50 to 70 Quests makes it more pleasing to the player. It's the size of questing not the zone.

ecru

Summerset may be larger than other zones, but due to the unsightly and impassible mountains all over the map, there is more incentive to port around with wayshrines than actually run from one spot to the other. I feel like this is bad design and ends up making the map feel much smaller than it really is.

inespeloazul

danno8 wrote: »

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I just saw Votans Minimap got an update and works now. Would have been nice for these recording, lol.

This lines up with my own personal experience (well, it's probably a tad bigger than I imagined?) so seeing that the math proves it is reassuring.

That said, i feel like the density of content and quality of quests matters more, at least IMO

danno8

Seraphayel wrote: »

The picture you just used has already been proven wrong and out of scale/proportion.

Who cares if Summerset is 2x or 10x the size of Auridon when the accessible part is just 1.1x Auridon? I mean seriously? What are we even discussing here.

I literally just proved unequivocally that the picture was accurate by using travel distance over time and a constant velocity, and you are stating that it is inaccurate.

I ran the distance, measured the time and compared the places on the maps. The picture map I reposted is the one that most closely matches the REALITY of moving around the two zones.

Any other picture you are referring to is not how moving around in the two zones work.

Also, having actually mounted and run the distances I can tell you that it feels just as big as the math shows. So now I guess it is your "feels" vs my "feels", only I also have the math and physics (like distance=velocity*time) to back it up.

Inhuman003 wrote: »

The real problem is the question if you have 30 to 40 Quests missions in a game it's not going to be is good but if you had surround 50 to 70 Quests makes it more pleasing to the player. It's the size of questing not the zone.

ecru wrote: »

Summerset may be larger than other zones, but due to the unsightly and impassible mountains all over the map, there is more incentive to port around with wayshrines than actually run from one spot to the other. I feel like this is bad design and ends up making the map feel much smaller than it really is.

These guys understand the difference between actual area of a map, and how terrain and design choices can alter perception.

danno8

Seraphayel wrote: »

This is the only map that seems to take care of the real in game proportions. At least more than the map you used (where you clearly can see that Auridon is scaled smaller than Summerset).

Oh my god, you just don't get it.

I'll try one more time. At the same speed you move further on the fully zoomed out Auridon map than you do on the fully zoomed out SI map. If you want to compare the two maps side by side (or overlapped), that means you have to scale the Auridon map smaller the equivalent amount to how much further you travel at the same speed in the same time.

I can't say anymore. Peace.

XomRhoK

I watched @danno8 videos and painted his paths on my map.

I used GIMP tool that allows to count segment length, and then i put it in calculator step by step. It took some time
Summerset path length 356.6 pixels and paths time 402 seconds, 'speed on my map' 0.88706 pixel/second
Auridon path length 380.1 pixels and paths time 370 seconds, 'speed on my map' 1.02729 pixel/second
Difference 86.349%, it means, on my map, Summerset only 86.349% of what it should be, so it need to be bigger on my map. And is around 84% that i mentioned earlier, so it means OP comparison is correct, and his map is correct. And that a little strange for me, cause of ships size, but seems correct.
So this seems right scale


While i watched this videos i got the feeling that Summerset is really Auridon HD, more polished. But in the same time more pale, don't know why they chose so pale colors for rocks, grass, earth, by color scheme it reminds me Belkarth area in Craglorn. And i'd prefer colors from Auridon concept for Summerset.


And sadly there is only one biome on the whole island, only coral beaches and grottos maybe goes as second biome at best.
Hope quests, and indoor envirement done well, i saw in videos some atmospheric locations.
But this topic for another whiny thread

NeroBad

So I did the ride with a 60 speed horse with no rapid or set bonus.
I cut the zig zags, when something slowed me I stopped immediately the timer, and continued after the problem was dealt. In Vvardenfell I subtracted 10 seconds for Sadryth Mora region water runs was slower then the surface run speed



Summerset Red line was 6:40 for me and the Blue lines 4:50 (I Paused the timer in the middle section where I was once during red line) for a total 11:30 for a near circle experience.

Vvardefell Purple line took me 12:40.

PS. My God the Altmers have so much better roads the the Dunmers

Seraphayel

danno8 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

The picture you just used has already been proven wrong and out of scale/proportion.

Who cares if Summerset is 2x or 10x the size of Auridon when the accessible part is just 1.1x Auridon? I mean seriously? What are we even discussing here.

I literally just proved unequivocally that the picture was accurate by using travel distance over time and a constant velocity, and you are stating that it is inaccurate.

I ran the distance, measured the time and compared the places on the maps. The picture map I reposted is the one that most closely matches the REALITY of moving around the two zones.

Any other picture you are referring to is not how moving around in the two zones work.

Also, having actually mounted and run the distances I can tell you that it feels just as big as the math shows. So now I guess it is your "feels" vs my "feels", only I also have the math and physics (like distance=velocity*time) to back it up.

No you didn't? You proved that Summerset is - by your travel distances - 5% larger than Auridon (the North-South distance takes 5% more time in Summerset than in Auridon). The map (falsely) suggests that Summerset is twice as big as Auridon.

Talking about this map btw:



And it's not my "feels". I traveled Summerset on the PTS as well and it is definitely not as large as some want it to make. It is nowhere near as big as Vvardenfell and it's hardly bigger than Auridon (as you've proven yourself, btw).

Another thing is: why should Summerset be bigger when there's nothing in there. Giving us a zone that is supposedly larger than the usual zone but putting just the same amount of content in it is not working. Didn't work out for Vvardenfell and wouldn't work out for any other "big" zone. That might be another reason why Summerset is just the size of a usual zone in ESO.

NeroBad

XomRhoK wrote: »

And sadly there is only one biome on the whole island, only coral beaches and grottos maybe goes as second biome at best.
Hope quests, and indoor envirement done well, i saw in videos some atmospheric locations.
But this topic for another whiny thread

About the Biome, true It is not as diverse as Vvardefell but the beach biome is a different one as the mainland, I mean in Vvardenfell the beaches has the same assets as the surrounding biomes, but in Summerset they are very unique and beautiful

smacx250

Seraphayel wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

The picture you just used has already been proven wrong and out of scale/proportion.

Who cares if Summerset is 2x or 10x the size of Auridon when the accessible part is just 1.1x Auridon? I mean seriously? What are we even discussing here.

I literally just proved unequivocally that the picture was accurate by using travel distance over time and a constant velocity, and you are stating that it is inaccurate.

I ran the distance, measured the time and compared the places on the maps. The picture map I reposted is the one that most closely matches the REALITY of moving around the two zones.

Any other picture you are referring to is not how moving around in the two zones work.

Also, having actually mounted and run the distances I can tell you that it feels just as big as the math shows. So now I guess it is your "feels" vs my "feels", only I also have the math and physics (like distance=velocity*time) to back it up.

No you didn't? You proved that Summerset is - by your travel distances - 5% larger than Auridon. The map (falsely) suggests that Summerset is twice as big as Auridon.

And it's not my "feels". I traveled Summerset on the PTS as well and it is definitely not as large as some want it to make. It is nowhere near as big as Vvardenfell and it's hardly bigger than Auridon (as you've proven yourself, btw).

Would you care to present the math behind your 5% assertion? Thanks!

Seraphayel

smacx250 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

The picture you just used has already been proven wrong and out of scale/proportion.

Who cares if Summerset is 2x or 10x the size of Auridon when the accessible part is just 1.1x Auridon? I mean seriously? What are we even discussing here.

I literally just proved unequivocally that the picture was accurate by using travel distance over time and a constant velocity, and you are stating that it is inaccurate.

I ran the distance, measured the time and compared the places on the maps. The picture map I reposted is the one that most closely matches the REALITY of moving around the two zones.

Any other picture you are referring to is not how moving around in the two zones work.

Also, having actually mounted and run the distances I can tell you that it feels just as big as the math shows. So now I guess it is your "feels" vs my "feels", only I also have the math and physics (like distance=velocity*time) to back it up.

No you didn't? You proved that Summerset is - by your travel distances - 5% larger than Auridon. The map (falsely) suggests that Summerset is twice as big as Auridon.

And it's not my "feels". I traveled Summerset on the PTS as well and it is definitely not as large as some want it to make. It is nowhere near as big as Vvardenfell and it's hardly bigger than Auridon (as you've proven yourself, btw).

Would you care to present the math behind your 5% ~8% assertion? Thanks!

Look at my edit, I am referring to this quote:

danno8 wrote: »

The results are that it took me 6:40 to ride from point A to B in Summerset, and 6:10 to go from A to B in Auridon.

So Summerset A->B is 400 seconds, Auridon A->B is 370 seconds. Okay, I correct myself, traveling the distance in Summerset takes ~ 8% more time than traveling the distance in Auridon.

As I already mentioned we haven't taken the width of both zones and their travel times in this example, even if we take this as well, Summerset is not significantly bigger (when it comes to accessible content) than Auridon. That's my point.

A $30 chapter exclusive zone that's barely bigger than one of your starting zones. Can't you all see what's wrong here?

NeroBad

Seraphayel wrote: »

No you didn't? You proved that Summerset is - by your travel distances - 5% larger than Auridon (the North-South distance takes 5% more time in Summerset than in Auridon). The map (falsely) suggests that Summerset is twice as big as Auridon.

Summerset has some bigger curves then Auridion, so just comparing the North South tarvel time is very misleading.
Curves matter

I expected a bigger zone also, but it is not as small as some imply.

Seraphayel

NeroBad wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

No you didn't? You proved that Summerset is - by your travel distances - 5% larger than Auridon (the North-South distance takes 5% more time in Summerset than in Auridon). The map (falsely) suggests that Summerset is twice as big as Auridon.

Summerset has some bigger curves then Auridion, so just comparing the North South tarvel time is very misleading.
Curves matter

I expected a bigger zone also, but it is not as small as some imply.

Summerset is significantly smaller than Vvardenfell and has a similar size to the bigger vanilla ESO zones. That's all I say.

danno8

Seraphayel wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

The picture you just used has already been proven wrong and out of scale/proportion.

Who cares if Summerset is 2x or 10x the size of Auridon when the accessible part is just 1.1x Auridon? I mean seriously? What are we even discussing here.

I literally just proved unequivocally that the picture was accurate by using travel distance over time and a constant velocity, and you are stating that it is inaccurate.

I ran the distance, measured the time and compared the places on the maps. The picture map I reposted is the one that most closely matches the REALITY of moving around the two zones.

Any other picture you are referring to is not how moving around in the two zones work.

Also, having actually mounted and run the distances I can tell you that it feels just as big as the math shows. So now I guess it is your "feels" vs my "feels", only I also have the math and physics (like distance=velocity*time) to back it up.

No you didn't? You proved that Summerset is - by your travel distances - 5% larger than Auridon. The map (falsely) suggests that Summerset is twice as big as Auridon.

And it's not my "feels". I traveled Summerset on the PTS as well and it is definitely not as large as some want it to make. It is nowhere near as big as Vvardenfell and it's hardly bigger than Auridon (as you've proven yourself, btw).

Would you care to present the math behind your 5% ~8% assertion? Thanks!

Look at my edit, I am referring to this quote:

danno8 wrote: »

The results are that it took me 6:40 to ride from point A to B in Summerset, and 6:10 to go from A to B in Auridon.

So Summerset A->B is 400 seconds, Auridon A->B is 370 seconds. Okay, I correct myself, traveling the distance in Summerset takes ~ 8% more time than traveling the distance in Auridon.

As I already mentioned we haven't taken the width of both zones and their travel times in this example, even if we take this as well, Summerset is not significantly bigger (when it comes to accessible content) than Auridon. That's my point.

A $30 chapter exclusive zone that's barely bigger than one of your starting zones. Can't you all see what's wrong here?

We do. It's your math.

smacx250

Seraphayel wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

The picture you just used has already been proven wrong and out of scale/proportion.

Who cares if Summerset is 2x or 10x the size of Auridon when the accessible part is just 1.1x Auridon? I mean seriously? What are we even discussing here.

I literally just proved unequivocally that the picture was accurate by using travel distance over time and a constant velocity, and you are stating that it is inaccurate.

I ran the distance, measured the time and compared the places on the maps. The picture map I reposted is the one that most closely matches the REALITY of moving around the two zones.

Any other picture you are referring to is not how moving around in the two zones work.

Also, having actually mounted and run the distances I can tell you that it feels just as big as the math shows. So now I guess it is your "feels" vs my "feels", only I also have the math and physics (like distance=velocity*time) to back it up.

No you didn't? You proved that Summerset is - by your travel distances - 5% larger than Auridon. The map (falsely) suggests that Summerset is twice as big as Auridon.

And it's not my "feels". I traveled Summerset on the PTS as well and it is definitely not as large as some want it to make. It is nowhere near as big as Vvardenfell and it's hardly bigger than Auridon (as you've proven yourself, btw).

Would you care to present the math behind your 5% ~8% assertion? Thanks!

Look at my edit, I am referring to this quote:

danno8 wrote: »

The results are that it took me 6:40 to ride from point A to B in Summerset, and 6:10 to go from A to B in Auridon.

So Summerset A->B is 400 seconds, Auridon A->B is 370 seconds. Okay, I correct myself, traveling the distance in Summerset takes ~ 8% more time than traveling the distance in Auridon.

As I already mentioned we haven't taken the width of both zones and their travel times in this example, even if we take this as well, Summerset is not significantly bigger (when it comes to accessible content) than Auridon. That's my point.

A $30 chapter exclusive zone that's barely bigger than one of your starting zones. Can't you all see what's wrong here?

Thanks - from that I conclude that your math is incorrect.

In the data presented, A->B in Summerset is not the same absolute distance as A->B in Auridon - the absolute distance traveled in Summerset was 8% more than Auridon. However, those absolute distances where then used to determine the zone's displayed map scale, by measuring knowing how much "map distance" was traveled vs the "absolute distance" measured in each case. Then the maps where scaled so that the visual "map distance" would represent the same "absolute distance" for both maps.

I understand that you don't feel that the zone is as large as you would like it to feel, but as someone who's been following the conversation out of interest, and who doesn't have anything vested in one outcome vs the other, I've seen no data to refute the analysis that shows that Summerset is around 84% larger than Auridon.

Seraphayel

smacx250 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

The picture you just used has already been proven wrong and out of scale/proportion.

Who cares if Summerset is 2x or 10x the size of Auridon when the accessible part is just 1.1x Auridon? I mean seriously? What are we even discussing here.

I literally just proved unequivocally that the picture was accurate by using travel distance over time and a constant velocity, and you are stating that it is inaccurate.

I ran the distance, measured the time and compared the places on the maps. The picture map I reposted is the one that most closely matches the REALITY of moving around the two zones.

Any other picture you are referring to is not how moving around in the two zones work.

Also, having actually mounted and run the distances I can tell you that it feels just as big as the math shows. So now I guess it is your "feels" vs my "feels", only I also have the math and physics (like distance=velocity*time) to back it up.

No you didn't? You proved that Summerset is - by your travel distances - 5% larger than Auridon. The map (falsely) suggests that Summerset is twice as big as Auridon.

And it's not my "feels". I traveled Summerset on the PTS as well and it is definitely not as large as some want it to make. It is nowhere near as big as Vvardenfell and it's hardly bigger than Auridon (as you've proven yourself, btw).

Would you care to present the math behind your 5% ~8% assertion? Thanks!

Look at my edit, I am referring to this quote:

danno8 wrote: »

The results are that it took me 6:40 to ride from point A to B in Summerset, and 6:10 to go from A to B in Auridon.

So Summerset A->B is 400 seconds, Auridon A->B is 370 seconds. Okay, I correct myself, traveling the distance in Summerset takes ~ 8% more time than traveling the distance in Auridon.

As I already mentioned we haven't taken the width of both zones and their travel times in this example, even if we take this as well, Summerset is not significantly bigger (when it comes to accessible content) than Auridon. That's my point.

A $30 chapter exclusive zone that's barely bigger than one of your starting zones. Can't you all see what's wrong here?

Thanks - from that I conclude that your math is incorrect.

In the data presented, A->B in Summerset is not the same absolute distance as A->B in Auridon - the absolute distance traveled in Summerset was 8% more than Auridon. However, those absolute distances where then used to determine the zone's displayed map scale, by measuring knowing how much "map distance" was traveled vs the "absolute distance" measured in each case. Then the maps where scaled so that the visual "map distance" would represent the same "absolute distance" for both maps.

I understand that you don't feel that the zone is as large as you would like it to feel, but as someone who's been following the conversation out of interest, and who doesn't have anything vested in one outcome vs the other, I've seen no data to refute the analysis that shows that Summerset is around 84% larger than Auridon.

If you count all the inaccessible zones, then it might be 84% bigger. But without them it's hardly bigger than Auridon. And why should we count regions for our size comparison when they're not accessible? They don't matter at all for the comparison.

These two pictures just fit the in game feeling a lot better than the so called "math" making Summerset bigger than it is in reality:

MLGProPlayer

XomRhoK wrote: »

And it's not my "feels". I traveled Summerset on the PTS as well and it is definitely not as large as some want it to make. It is nowhere near as big as Vvardenfell and it's hardly bigger than Auridon (as you've proven yourself, btw).

One poster has mathematically scaled the two maps. Two more have recorded their ACTUAL travel times. But here you are, still talking about your "feelings". If you're so sure that Summerset is tiny, then please, record your travel times like those posters did.

Jhalin

What an ironic name

psychotrip

We're losing the plot here. The question is whether or not Summerset is the biggest region ever released by ESO, which is what ZOS claims.

MarrazzMist

Seraphayel wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

sudaki_eso wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Here is Auridon superimposed over Summerset (both maps are scaled). Summerset is unquestionably bigger.

I cant play on the pts so i cant really tell how big it "feels" but judging from your map it would take the same amount of time to travel those two distances:

Did anyone tested this?

I just did, and I recorded it. Curious as to the results?

I'll give you a hint. Math wins.

I'll upload them, but it'll take a while. The results are that it took me 6:40 to ride from point A to B in Summerset, and 6:10 to go from A to B in Auridon.

Long story short, the guy who did the true comparison, using in-game zone maps, taking into account the scaling differences and using math to reach a conclusion was correct, and those who just used their impressions were wrong *about the true size of the zone*.

Note that how the zone "feels" is entirely subjective and there is certainly some credence to the feeling of it being smaller due to the "corridor" nature of the zone and how you can not just cut straight through it.

That's why people are saying it is smaller, not because it is truly smaller in landmass, but rather because it feels smaller in how it is constructed. Like tearing down a wall in your house doesn't make your house bigger (well maybe a few sq.ft), but it sure will feel bigger.

It took you 30 seconds longer to travel the distance in Summerset and that proves exactly what? That Summerset is 5% larger due to that value? How magnificent Summerset is that's supposed to be twice the size of Auridon!

Granted, traveling from East to West on Summerset will most likely take longer than on Auridon but it still is a massive disappointment when it comes to "true" size vs. in game size. It's just sad that ZOS wasn't able to give us Summerset how it should be.

No, it proves that Summerset may be about 5 % longer than Auridon. Narrow Auridon fits easily inside Summerset, so twice the size isn’t that far.

Could you descripe what is ”true size” of Summerset? It’s not the land mass or playable area, not the magnificient landscapes, new quests. So what is it?

Faulgor

Dominoid wrote: »

The second is to measure how how far one walks on the Tamriel map over a fixed set of time. For example getting an assist from Map Coordinates and walking in one direction for ten seconds in Vvardenfell you traverse 1.4958 Tamriel map units. Doing so in Summerset, you traverse 1.2179. Doing so in Auridon, you traverse 1.7084 units. This makes the scale of Summerset 40.27% larger than Auridon. That would look like this:

I don't doubt the math, but can you tell me how you created the to-scale map? Because it doesn't quite compare to the one I tried to make, and it might explain why there's so much disbelief here.
Indeed, I'm wondering where a lot of people who post modified maps here get their raw maps from, so for disclosure mine are from esomap.uesp.net - the maps are only available in cut-up form, so I created the composites out of 16+ images.

This gets you the following base, unscaled maps for Summerset and Auridon.


Now, based on your math, Summerset's scale is 40.27% larger than Auridon, or Auridon is 71.29% the scale of Summerset.
Which translates to this for the scaled maps.


And this when both islands are put next to each other for an easier visual comparison.


The benefits of this representation are obviously that it follows the math, is very close to comparisons based on ship size, and is also closer to what people report as the "felt" size of the zone.
Or I'm just stupid and missed something obvious.

Just for laughs, and because this is originally a Vvardenfell thread, I also made a quick comparison with Vvardenfell. Note that the base map size for Vvardenfell is slightly larger, 1153 pixel compared to 1024. The actual scale based on your math and legwork puts Vvardenfell at 81.42% the scale of Summerset.


EDIT: Because I'm not as confident about the Vvardenfell comparison, I made another version that scales the map after normalizing both maps at 1024 pixel, which puts Vvardenfell at 834. At this scale, both chapters look about the same to me, but judge for yourself.

TelvanniWizard

So... what´s about all this slight difference between Auridon and Summerset? Summerset is still disappointingly small.

NeroBad

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

So... what´s about all this slight difference between Auridon and Summerset? Summerset is still disappointingly small.

I think most of us feel that Summerset is smaller then what we expected, but then comparison started that not only it is smaller then Vvardenfell, but then Auridon then in one time I red that it is just slightly bigger then Clockwork City. And for many that was a little much, and all the feels about the size should be backed by actual data. Lacking all information we tried our best to make comparison based on measurements, and here we are.

Adernath

Faulgor wrote: »

And this when both islands are put next to each other for an easier visual comparison.


The benefits of this representation are obviously that it follows the math, is very close to comparisons based on ship size, and is also closer to what people report as the "felt" size of the zone.
Or I'm just stupid and missed something obvious.

Just for laughs, and because this is originally a Vvardenfell thread, I also made a quick comparison with Vvardenfell. Note that the base map size for Vvardenfell is slightly larger, 1153 pixel compared to 1024. The actual scale based on your math and legwork puts Vvardenfell at 81.42% the scale of Summerset.

I think this is a good summary. Now one only has to count the accessible area in Vvardenfell and Summerset to answer the original question.

LukosCreyden

Here's an idea: have ZOS delay Summerset to make the map bigger. Just bigger, as people obviously only care about physical size and not content quality.

Stretch it out. Stretch that map out so it is twice, no, THREE times its current size.

That interesting area over there? It is now further away. That quest on the other side of the island? It takes you thrice the amount of time to get there. Just put trash mobs in to fill the zone up a bit.

Look ZOS, when you give me content, I want quality content, but FAR AWAY. Make me travel uninteresting roads to get there, I don't care! Just make it B I G G E R.

Now don't any of you come in here saying that the size is fine as it is, because of silly things like engaging story and beautiful scenery. You are WRONG. I have the might of the forums behind me and they have NEVER been wrong.

XomRhoK

I did same thing with @Faulgor map

Summerset 840.4 pixels, 402 seconds, "speed" 2.0905 px/s
Auridon 801.2 pixels, 370 seconds, "speed" 2.1654 px/s
Accuracy almost 97%, considering that my method not 100% accurate.
I remeasured ships at big zoom with GIMP tool, they almost identical but still 5-7% larger at Summerset, but it's not so crucial.
Overall this map seems most accurate and neat

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Here's an idea: have ZOS delay Summerset to make the map bigger. Just bigger, as people obviously only care about physical size and not content quality.

Stretch it out. Stretch that map out so it is twice, no, THREE times its current size.

That interesting area over there? It is now further away. That quest on the other side of the island? It takes you thrice the amount of time to get there. Just put trash mobs in to fill the zone up a bit.

Look ZOS, when you give me content, I want quality content, but FAR AWAY. Make me travel uninteresting roads to get there, I don't care! Just make it B I G G E R.

Now don't any of you come in here saying that the size is fine as it is, because of silly things like engaging story and beautiful scenery. You are WRONG. I have the might of the forums behind me and they have NEVER been wrong.

Both size and amount of content matter. Will you be happy if they'd give you double amount of quests but at two time smaller map? Don't think it will be sutisfaing experience. Persanally i don't like how compact some of base game zones are, for my taste there are to much resource nodes, all objects really not far away, it feels a little bit toyish or "unreal', you really don't need a mount, cause you will mount -> run 2 seconds -> unmount -> pick up node -> mount and so on. I like more scale of TES: Skyrim or ESO Cyrodiil, it feels more natural, i like go for a tour in safe places of Cyrodiil, there i really enjoy the journey. I don't really play any addon or chapter yet, i am only done Cadwell's silver, maybe there better situation with scale.

psychotrip

NeroBad wrote: »

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

So... what´s about all this slight difference between Auridon and Summerset? Summerset is still disappointingly small.

I think most of us feel that Summerset is smaller then what we expected, but then comparison started that not only it is smaller then Vvardenfell, but then Auridon then in one time I red that it is just slightly bigger then Clockwork City. And for many that was a little much, and all the feels about the size should be backed by actual data. Lacking all information we tried our best to make comparison based on measurements, and here we are.

So...we can all agree that ZOS lied about it being the biggest zone ever released, right? That's what matters to me.

Sure, I love big, massive open worlds. It's one of the main reasons I play games like ESO or WoW. At the same time, I concede (like many others have noted) that density, detail, and content are much more important than size alone. So, I can understand why some say this shouldn't matter.

But it does for one simple reason:

Zenimax told us one thing, and apparently gave us another. There is absolutely no defending this.

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Here's an idea: have ZOS delay Summerset to make the map bigger. Just bigger, as people obviously only care about physical size and not content quality.

Stretch it out. Stretch that map out so it is twice, no, THREE times its current size.

That interesting area over there? It is now further away. That quest on the other side of the island? It takes you thrice the amount of time to get there. Just put trash mobs in to fill the zone up a bit.

Look ZOS, when you give me content, I want quality content, but FAR AWAY. Make me travel uninteresting roads to get there, I don't care! Just make it B I G G E R.

Now don't any of you come in here saying that the size is fine as it is, because of silly things like engaging story and beautiful scenery. You are WRONG. I have the might of the forums behind me and they have NEVER been wrong.

This is the kind of post that misses the point entirely, and seems to be acting in bad faith considering the obvious issue here that's been reiterated time and time again.

LukosCreyden

@psychotrip I'm just parodying how ridiculously obsessed some people have become over the physical size of the map.

Also, do you have a source for the quote that Summerset is the biggest zone? I would like to see the context. Is it biggest as in scale? Or biggest as in volume of content within?