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MLRPZ

ZS will be back tonight, be ready

BohnT

MLRPZ wrote: »

ZS will be back tonight, be ready

Note for myself: Don't even try to play this evening

exiars10

What is your performance after Summerset patch? My is better outside of combat (in Cyrodiil open world) and when is small scale, but in zerg vs zerg it's much worse. My FPS drops to just 18 and ping goes to 160+ ms which never happened before patch update. Ping is regularly around 90 ms but once zerg clash starts it nosedive to 160+ .
And in AD zone chat other players also complain a lot how performace is worse... And than there is micro-stutter about which so many people complain in zone chat (it's confirmed by ZoS that should be patched out next week).

And now Vivec EU-PC - Salt Edition

1) I finally logged yesterday morning to see what is all that fus about AD try hards. In one moment somebody typed We have everything. What we do now? Indeed . And all three factions had low population. Kudos to brave red and blue players who striked deep into AD territory to take random resources and attack towns. This is beyond boring and the massive waste of time!

2) Last evening/night one faction had population lock (it wasn't AD) and they still couldn't push other two. Also, reds sent so many times the same zerg over and over again on Alessia - I encountered and killed same people all over again. Great battles for scrolls around and in Alessia and Roeback - kudos to all factions. That is game I like to play not that morning (don't know how to call it)...

3) I don't know how you can say nobody care about campaign when AD obviously care. Even in the evening/night there are try hard groups. Also so many times when I type for help around some keep/castle, group(s) come to help, so it's not like nobody cares. And I like AD zone chat .

Again if is this morning capping indeed done by AD alts, more reasons for the hard alliance lock for campaign duration (30 days).

P. S.
I play for Cyrodiil PvP almost always solo (I rarely join groups as group leaders are mostly... in group chat) for fun and if you ever encounter me inside Cyrodiil, I am still easy AP in the open .

killimandrosb16_ESO

exiars10 wrote: »

What is your performance after Summerset patch? My is better outside of combat (in Cyrodiil open world) and when is small scale, but in zerg vs zerg it's much worse. My FPS drops to just 18 and ping goes to 160+ ms which never happened before patch update. Ping is regularly around 90 ms but once zerg clash starts it nosedive to 160+ .
And in AD zone chat other players also complain a lot how performace is worse... And than there is micro-stutter about which so many people complain in zone chat (it's confirmed by ZoS that should be patched out next week).

And now Vivec EU-PC - Salt Edition

1) I finally logged yesterday morning to see what is all that fus about AD try hards. In one moment somebody typed We have everything. What we do now? Indeed . And all three factions had low population. Kudos to brave red and blue players who striked deep into AD territory to take random resources and attack towns. This is beyond boring and the massive waste of time!

2) Last evening/night one faction had population lock (it wasn't AD) and they still couldn't push other two. Also, reds sent so many times the same zerg over and over again on Alessia - I encountered and killed same people all over again. Great battles for scrolls around and in Alessia and Roeback - kudos to all factions. That is game I like to play not that morning (don't know how to call it)...

3) I don't know how you can say nobody care about campaign when AD obviously care. Even in the evening/night there are try hard groups. Also so many times when I type for help around some keep/castle, group(s) come to help, so it's not like nobody cares. And I like AD zone chat .

Again if is this morning capping indeed done by AD alts, more reasons for the hard alliance lock for campaign duration (30 days).

P. S.
I play for Cyrodiil PvP almost always solo (I rarely join groups as group leaders are mostly... in group chat) for fun and if you ever encounter me inside Cyrodiil, I am still easy AP in the open .

The AD morning group is NOT alts from other factions. Theyve been morning capping for so long I dont even remember when it allo started, but I have been told Bigboss and Saras actually used to play campaign primetime before. That must have been a very long time ago. These guys who organize primetime pvd capping, arent interested in pvp. They only want, well, I dont really know. The ap you get is more or less useless, all things you can buy for AP you already have. The end of campaign loyaøty reward likeso. So my idea is, they just basically enjoy pvd'ing and getting the random 1v15 fight against roamers from the other faction so they can pat their back and talk about how good they are in pvp.
The end result is what cyrodiil slowly is turning into. When the bigger guilds dont give a *** anymore about the campaign, you will get toxic groups of players PUGs have no way to handle roaming around only looking for fights. Dont get me wrong, I love bomb group play and the challenge of meeting other groups coordinated. But its a nightmare for pugs when most of the map gets turned into a playground for these instead of the original idea, capping and holding keeps.
The moment the whole scoring system gets a complete overhault to permit factions not working the campaign score in odd hours to actually have a shot at the campaign, the whole meta will change again. There is a certain realm pride among all factions, also dc and ep. But when its hopeless and futile to even try to climb on top of the ladder, players will not attempt that and instead change the focus and direction to ther challenges. And when it comes to AD, the toxity is reaching new levels. Rarely have I played a game where one faction out of three is so heavily despised and disliked as the vivec ad faction. I can only assume dc and ep will gather more and more to press ad until they have nothing at prime time. And prime time is when most pug and casuals prefer to play. I am happy I am not ad at prime time, because they will be Tbagged zerged, ganked and hated. If thats unconvenient the blame is entirely the morning zergs.

Biro123

exiars10 wrote: »

What is your performance after Summerset patch? My is better outside of combat (in Cyrodiil open world) and when is small scale, but in zerg vs zerg it's much worse. My FPS drops to just 18 and ping goes to 160+ ms which never happened before patch update. Ping is regularly around 90 ms but once zerg clash starts it nosedive to 160+ .
And in AD zone chat other players also complain a lot how performace is worse... And than there is micro-stutter about which so many people complain in zone chat (it's confirmed by ZoS that should be patched out next week).

And now Vivec EU-PC - Salt Edition

1) I finally logged yesterday morning to see what is all that fus about AD try hards. In one moment somebody typed We have everything. What we do now? Indeed . And all three factions had low population. Kudos to brave red and blue players who striked deep into AD territory to take random resources and attack towns. This is beyond boring and the massive waste of time!

2) Last evening/night one faction had population lock (it wasn't AD) and they still couldn't push other two. Also, reds sent so many times the same zerg over and over again on Alessia - I encountered and killed same people all over again. Great battles for scrolls around and in Alessia and Roeback - kudos to all factions. That is game I like to play not that morning (don't know how to call it)...

3) I don't know how you can say nobody care about campaign when AD obviously care. Even in the evening/night there are try hard groups. Also so many times when I type for help around some keep/castle, group(s) come to help, so it's not like nobody cares. And I like AD zone chat .

Again if is this morning capping indeed done by AD alts, more reasons for the hard alliance lock for campaign duration (30 days).

P. S.
I play for Cyrodiil PvP almost always solo (I rarely join groups as group leaders are mostly... in group chat) for fun and if you ever encounter me inside Cyrodiil, I am still easy AP in the open .

Its mostly DC/EP that don't care. Because of the morning cap over the last 2 years, we've learned that no matter what happens at primetime, when you next log on AD have all your scrolls/Keeps/Emp and they will win the campaign. Makes it pointless to take keeps, to play to try to win a campaign - so instead ppl mostly just look for 'fun fights'.

This is why AD are so hated. Everyone else knows that they destroyed the competitive large-scale PVP they know and love.
It's also one of the reasons for Chalmania.. It starts around lunchtime when DC manage to take Ales. Pushing to Ash is pointless cos the huge (for that time of day) AD zerg seems to just sit there waiting for it - so heading towards reds for a fun fight is just, well a bit less like banging your head against a brick wall..

elfantasmo

Game over unfortunately, zenny has completely let us down on PvP scoring, AvAvA is dead.

exiars10

Aaand Zerg Squad is wrecking havoc...

What happened at Faregyl was disgusting... Eye of the Storm + Bomb + Vicious Death and farm inside castle... I don't blame them for "farming" AD players - random and desorganized players attacking train is just... I guess that's what happen when you listen "leaders".
And then came blue i.e. Daggerfall Bandits guild/zerg and we wiped them. No matter what, DC is the worst and losing to random AD PUG is just beyond bad.

Of course, Zerg Squad proceeded to BM where we defended it from another DC guild, Daggerfall Authority. They avoided initial ZS attack who didn't manage to wipe us all, and what happened next, you can see .





P. S.
Performance is TERRIBLE as you can see in screenshots . I never had such a low FPS and high ping before Summerset. I just "play", avoid desro train and have no idea what is going on from so much lag.

Biro123

Haha! How long were ZS AD before they switched to EP.

Hm, let me think.. I wonder which faction has has to face them more than any other?

If it's when I'm thinking, didn't they start by taking Nickel then Roe from DC and working their way down?

I also see that you forget to mention that EP were holding both a DC and an EP scroll at the time. What do you expect when they are worth so many campaign points now?

exiars10

No, Zerg Squad came from Alessia IIRC and I don't understand what they wanted to do?
They could easily take scrolls from Mnem, BB and Altadoon, but they just logged out so we pushed EP all the way to BRK.

And that was fatal mistake. We both fought like crazy around stupid farm at BRK and both were underpopulated. In the mean time, DC guilds pushed both and they were population locked. They took Faregyl and AD zone chat turned into sh.tshow (we at BRK where blamed for it )... because they obviously targeted scrolls. They quickly took BB and BM and attacked temples. Altadoon fall easily but they couldn't reach Mnem at least until I quit game. So AD only held one scroll at that time and DC had 3.

P. S.
Who is Boss that everybody is looking in AD chat?

elfantasmo wrote: »

Game over unfortunately, zenny has completely let us down on PvP scoring, AvAvA is dead.

But they boosted AP gain, didn't they? At least that is my impression I earn obviously (much) more than before Summerset.

Biro123

I think it's funny that what ZS do is new to you.... Seems pretty obvious they they've been aiding your alliance efforts for the longest time without you having any clue how much damage they can do. DC are well aware of it and have been for a long time.
FWIW, ZS don't play the campaign. If they did, they would win most prime times. In stead they just try to challenge themselves. Often by taking an outpost between the other 2 factions to attract the most attention possible from those 2. Usually it's Nickel or Bleakers.(depending what colour they ZS are). (notice how they are always DC border?)

kkravaritieb17_ESO

We usually look for the most challenging fight and that fight might sometimes indirectly benefit the campaign by eg holding ad to faregyl or dc at glade or when we done farming with a scroll we bring it home. Zerging with the rest of the faction in the zerg lines is just not fun for us and we are mostly avoiding it.

exiars10

Thank you for your answers. I play ESO from the late 11/2017 and I wasn't regular in Vivec because I didn't have time to play it more.

Challenging fight, lol?

There wasn't even a proper fight between ZS and AD last night . It was the full steam roll of randomly scrapped AD players in two castles. The only reason you farmed those players is because they listened "glorious" AD PUG leaders who sent them to be farmed all over again. What those "leaders" typed in chat and how even people tried do what they ordered is mind blowing...

You "fought" DC guild (Daggerfall Authority) when they came to BM (as I typed and showed last night) but they were steam rolled even faster than us which is ironic on its on way . I expected from DC PvP guild to do something but nope.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

Well if you think its not challenging to fight the bulk of a faction with 13 people which keep respawning and rezzing indefinately then i don't know what you consider challenging. It's not like we didnt try to find other organised guilds throughout the night to fight but after a couple of rounds we parted ways.

LarsS

exiars10 wrote: »

Aaand Zerg Squad is wrecking havoc...

What happened at Faregyl was disgusting... Eye of the Storm + Bomb + Vicious Death and farm inside castle... I don't blame them for "farming" AD players - random and desorganized players attacking train is just... I guess that's what happen when you listen "leaders".
And then came blue i.e. Daggerfall Bandits guild/zerg and we wiped them. No matter what, DC is the worst and losing to random AD PUG is just beyond bad.

Of course, Zerg Squad proceeded to BM where we defended it from another DC guild, Daggerfall Authority. They avoided initial ZS attack who didn't manage to wipe us all, and what happened next, you can see .





P. S.
Performance is TERRIBLE as you can see in screenshots . I never had such a low FPS and high ping before Summerset. I just "play", avoid desro train and have no idea what is going on from so much lag.

Yep thet was a nice ZS move, we were happily farming AD and did not see that comming

Master_Kas

LarsS wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

Aaand Zerg Squad is wrecking havoc...

What happened at Faregyl was disgusting... Eye of the Storm + Bomb + Vicious Death and farm inside castle... I don't blame them for "farming" AD players - random and desorganized players attacking train is just... I guess that's what happen when you listen "leaders".
And then came blue i.e. Daggerfall Bandits guild/zerg and we wiped them. No matter what, DC is the worst and losing to random AD PUG is just beyond bad.

Of course, Zerg Squad proceeded to BM where we defended it from another DC guild, Daggerfall Authority. They avoided initial ZS attack who didn't manage to wipe us all, and what happened next, you can see .





P. S.
Performance is TERRIBLE as you can see in screenshots . I never had such a low FPS and high ping before Summerset. I just "play", avoid desro train and have no idea what is going on from so much lag.

Yep thet was a nice ZS move, we were happily farming AD and did not see that comming

I'd hardly call what TDA does "farming" lmao.

MLRPZ

Master_Kas wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

Aaand Zerg Squad is wrecking havoc...

What happened at Faregyl was disgusting... Eye of the Storm + Bomb + Vicious Death and farm inside castle... I don't blame them for "farming" AD players - random and desorganized players attacking train is just... I guess that's what happen when you listen "leaders".
And then came blue i.e. Daggerfall Bandits guild/zerg and we wiped them. No matter what, DC is the worst and losing to random AD PUG is just beyond bad.

Of course, Zerg Squad proceeded to BM where we defended it from another DC guild, Daggerfall Authority. They avoided initial ZS attack who didn't manage to wipe us all, and what happened next, you can see .





P. S.
Performance is TERRIBLE as you can see in screenshots . I never had such a low FPS and high ping before Summerset. I just "play", avoid desro train and have no idea what is going on from so much lag.

Yep thet was a nice ZS move, we were happily farming AD and did not see that comming

I'd hardly call what TDA does "farming" lmao.

At least, they try to fight alone on the back keeps, you can't say that from every guild

Enslaved

Master_Kas wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

Aaand Zerg Squad is wrecking havoc...

What happened at Faregyl was disgusting... Eye of the Storm + Bomb + Vicious Death and farm inside castle... I don't blame them for "farming" AD players - random and desorganized players attacking train is just... I guess that's what happen when you listen "leaders".
And then came blue i.e. Daggerfall Bandits guild/zerg and we wiped them. No matter what, DC is the worst and losing to random AD PUG is just beyond bad.

Of course, Zerg Squad proceeded to BM where we defended it from another DC guild, Daggerfall Authority. They avoided initial ZS attack who didn't manage to wipe us all, and what happened next, you can see .





P. S.
Performance is TERRIBLE as you can see in screenshots . I never had such a low FPS and high ping before Summerset. I just "play", avoid desro train and have no idea what is going on from so much lag.

Yep thet was a nice ZS move, we were happily farming AD and did not see that comming

I'd hardly call what TDA does "farming" lmao.

Its more like struggling not to get rekt by randoms than farming, tbh.

MLRPZ

Enslaved wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

Aaand Zerg Squad is wrecking havoc...

What happened at Faregyl was disgusting... Eye of the Storm + Bomb + Vicious Death and farm inside castle... I don't blame them for "farming" AD players - random and desorganized players attacking train is just... I guess that's what happen when you listen "leaders".
And then came blue i.e. Daggerfall Bandits guild/zerg and we wiped them. No matter what, DC is the worst and losing to random AD PUG is just beyond bad.

Of course, Zerg Squad proceeded to BM where we defended it from another DC guild, Daggerfall Authority. They avoided initial ZS attack who didn't manage to wipe us all, and what happened next, you can see .





P. S.
Performance is TERRIBLE as you can see in screenshots . I never had such a low FPS and high ping before Summerset. I just "play", avoid desro train and have no idea what is going on from so much lag.

Yep thet was a nice ZS move, we were happily farming AD and did not see that comming

I'd hardly call what TDA does "farming" lmao.

Its more like struggling not to get rekt by randoms than farming, tbh.

read above

BohnT

Campaign scoring really is perfect with this patch




These Pictures are from Primetime vivec, Chat as evidence that Pictures are made at the same time and for lulz

Master_Kas

MLRPZ wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

Aaand Zerg Squad is wrecking havoc...

What happened at Faregyl was disgusting... Eye of the Storm + Bomb + Vicious Death and farm inside castle... I don't blame them for "farming" AD players - random and desorganized players attacking train is just... I guess that's what happen when you listen "leaders".
And then came blue i.e. Daggerfall Bandits guild/zerg and we wiped them. No matter what, DC is the worst and losing to random AD PUG is just beyond bad.

Of course, Zerg Squad proceeded to BM where we defended it from another DC guild, Daggerfall Authority. They avoided initial ZS attack who didn't manage to wipe us all, and what happened next, you can see .





P. S.
Performance is TERRIBLE as you can see in screenshots . I never had such a low FPS and high ping before Summerset. I just "play", avoid desro train and have no idea what is going on from so much lag.

Yep thet was a nice ZS move, we were happily farming AD and did not see that comming

I'd hardly call what TDA does "farming" lmao.

At least, they try to fight alone on the back keeps, you can't say that from every guild

Fair point

MLRPZ

inb4 AD gets low pop bonus

Renne999

BohnT wrote: »

Campaign scoring really is perfect with this patch




These Pictures are from Primetime vivec, Chat as evidence that Pictures are made at the same time and for lulz

Etaniel

BohnT wrote: »

Campaign scoring really is perfect with this patch




These Pictures are from Primetime vivec, Chat as evidence that Pictures are made at the same time and for lulz

hahaha what the hell is up with that scoring !

BohnT

Etaniel wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Campaign scoring really is perfect with this patch




These Pictures are from Primetime vivec, Chat as evidence that Pictures are made at the same time and for lulz

hahaha what the hell is up with that scoring !

Working as intended just like 40k deffticks for killing 3 people on a resource
Finally morning cap got buffed to be a viable playstyle.

I'm still fascinated by how this made it into the game.

WillhelmBlack

BohnT wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Campaign scoring really is perfect with this patch




These Pictures are from Primetime vivec, Chat as evidence that Pictures are made at the same time and for lulz

hahaha what the hell is up with that scoring !

Working as intended just like 40k deffticks for killing 3 people on a resource
Finally morning cap got buffed to be a viable playstyle.

I'm still fascinated by how this made it into the game.

You can't test it at all on the PTS but like I said to you before the patch went live. Big Lad's gonna get even more points now, it was so obvious.

I like Wheeler but how many campaigns are there on both servers? 8? Is it that difficult to analyse 8 campaigns and come up with a better solution for AvA?

Horker

y'all enjoying sloads guys?

exiars10

I typed on that super long thread that I wasn't killed once by Sload and it still remains.
I am still killed by the good old same combos. Zero Sload.

BohnT

This thread is just as dead as Rupert

Nermy

BohnT wrote: »

This thread is just as dead as Rupert

That's because the campaign is. The scrolls now being worth 10 has just killed off any semblance of a balanced campaign.

LarsS

Yes the increase of the scroll points was really stupid. They also said that underdog bonus would kick in much faster, not really EP and DC have slightly more than 70% of AD points still no underdog bonus.