SORCERER ...PLS!!!

Tinus_92 · May 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Transairion · May 2017

Echoing stuff I've said elsewhere but if this Familiar nerf ruins it's DPS until it's even lower than pre-bugfix I might be done with ESO: I've been running a Pet Sorc build pretty much since launch, using the entire Summoning skill-line. For most of that time I've been considered a gimmick.

If your solution to one single Sorc build which spams Familiar DOT, Prey and as much magicka/crit as possible is to nerf anything other than Familiar, you're doing it wrong.

If Familiar's DPS is gutted to below pre-bugfix levels (you know, where nobody cared about it's DPS at all) then you're doing it wrong.

If anything other than Familiar is nerfed to nerf Familiar's DPS (IE Necropotence, combat pets as a whole) then you're doing it extremely wrong and will prove that balance is up made up on the fly and you just don't give a damn. I'm hoping you're not that dumb after literal years of having to buff Daedric Summoning skills, most of which are still considered a joke.

You don't see any Daedric Prey builds built around Twilight Tormentor after all, she's still a wet noodle launcher despite being AN ACTUAL DPS BASED MORPH.

Witar · May 2017

It would be enough to just nerf daedric prey while leaving scamp pulse as it is. Not op whithout 50% buff to damage.

TheHsN · May 2017

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

BohnT · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

TheHsN · May 2017

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

BohnT · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

Edziu · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

huge nerf to all otyher classes and almost not touched sorc is buff in sorc itself without buffing him, by just nerfing everything other lol

BohnT · May 2017

Daedric Curse: The damage done to the primary target can no longer be blocked for this ability and its morphs. The area of effect damage to all secondary targets can still be blocked

I guess that is no buff either

TheHsN · May 2017

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

We talk about homestead by the way @Edziu not current pts...So dont say they ddnt buff DK or NB or Templar... Homestead

Edziu · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

TheHsN · May 2017

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

it is not only ones ok...look and open patchnotes... U said they got nerf up...Now u say just a few buffs ...if u look u patch notes u are going to say aaa yes 2 or 3... i guess u dont count COST reductions as BUFF???

BohnT · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

Okay i give up you are completely biased or haven't read the patch notes.
If a pet lives longer it generates more damage + 2 additional damage ticks generate more damage
The curse will be active even when the mechanics force you to stop the pressure, it's even stronger in pvp.
Curse works on pets and made them completely broken with the other buffs before 1T to pets

In homestead there were no buffs for stamnb only nerfs
Magdk got buffed because it was completely useless
Just stop it already

Beardimus · May 2017

Shout to @Chilly-McFreeze your explanation of shields / resistances in this thread is a gem

TheHsN · May 2017

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

BohnT · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

Edziu · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

impale range increased to 28m affect only in pvp

summoned traps I have seen this skill once in few months of playing in pvp so I dont see its to much matter

assasins scrouge was before scalinf of your max stat trust me, after this change I have not seen almost any difference in damage in this skill on stamblade ( also for me it was nerf becaue now it cost stamina and before when it was cost magica was perfect for me because I had to much magica, now I have less stamina in fight)

path of darknes with twisting path can be buffed by 50% damage and still will be *** in compare to for example sorc lighting flood

TheHsN · May 2017

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to [snip]........

[Edit for Profanity]

Edziu · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to [snip]........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

TheHsN · May 2017

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

Edziu · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the [snip] class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no [snip] idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

[Edit for censor bypass]

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2017

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

They brought pets resistance on par with pve mobs. What a buff. Health buff, ok. Would be a shame if they don't die like flies.
They gave curse a second proc nobody asked for and most people don't even utilize.
Atro is still a weak ultimate. "You know what's the difference between a buff to an op class ultimate and a buff to an class ultimate that is completly outclassed by so many other ultimates?"

What else do we got? 8% more damage... from a non-class skill line, avaiable to each and every mag build in the game, no matter which class. But let the sorcs be the scapegoat for that, right?

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

Okay i give up you are completely biased or haven't read the patch notes.
If a pet lives longer it generates more damage + 2 additional damage ticks generate more damage
The curse will be active even when the mechanics force you to stop the pressure, it's even stronger in pvp.
Curse works on pets and made them completely broken with the other buffs before 1T to pets

In homestead there were no buffs for stamnb only nerfs
Magdk got buffed because it was completely useless
Just stop it already

Curse either procs 2 times or buffs you pet's dmg. That it didn't worked with familiar before was a bug.

Witar wrote: »

It would be enough to just nerf daedric prey while leaving scamp pulse as it is. Not op whithout 50% buff to damage.

So *** up the other 3 pets to bring down 1 pet morph? You know, they could just lower the dmg of familiar's pulse to not lower the dmg of twilight and that physical dmg dealing magicka pet?

Beardimus wrote: »

Shout to @Chilly-McFreeze your explanation of shields / resistances in this thread is a gem

Thank you

TheHsN · May 2017

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to [snip]........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the [snip] class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

OK OK...Lets delete SORC ur Nb will still be weak...Then Lets Delete DK... and then Templar and Even Warden...that u can play UR beloved NB... u can kill every mobs every bosses with ur nb:D... u can sleep caddling ur NB.... I hope they BUFF NB to the GOD mod...i hope Cloak will be 60 secs and cost 1 magicka...i hope Nb can fly and drops Rocket from sky...

i hope they give NB 3rd arm and hand... And when stamina finished staff will appear and Stam can turns to MAgicka NB...

TheHsN · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

OK OK...Lets delete SORC ur Nb will still be weak...Then Lets Delete DK... and then Templar and Even Warden...that u can play UR beloved NB... u can kill every mobs every bosses with ur nb:D... u can sleep caddling ur NB.... I hope they BUFF NB to the GOD mod...i hope Cloak will be 60 secs and cost 1 magicka...i hope Nb can fly and drops Rocket from sky...

i hope they give NB 3rd arm and hand... And when stamina finished staff will appear and Stam can turns to MAgicka NB...

BohnT · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

OK OK...Lets delete SORC ur Nb will still be weak...Then Lets Delete DK... and then Templar and Even Warden...that u can play UR beloved NB... u can kill every mobs every bosses with ur nb:D... u can sleep caddling ur NB.... I hope they BUFF NB to the GOD mod...i hope Cloak will be 60 secs and cost 1 magicka...i hope Nb can fly and drops Rocket from sky...

i hope they give NB 3rd arm and hand... And when stamina finished staff will appear and Stam can turns to MAgicka NB...

What is wrong with you? We want slight nerfs to bring sorcs on par with other classes and you think that they'll be useless just because you aren't carried by the class?
Buffs and nerfs are numbers added to a base value x and if x for sorcs is 10 and x for nb is 5 and you want that 1 is added to both you can achieve balance? This is not working it's not about number of nerfs and buffs but quality of the changes.

Edziu · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

OK OK...Lets delete SORC ur Nb will still be weak...Then Lets Delete DK... and then Templar and Even Warden...that u can play UR beloved NB... u can kill every mobs every bosses with ur nb:D... u can sleep caddling ur NB.... I hope they BUFF NB to the GOD mod...i hope Cloak will be 60 secs and cost 1 magicka...i hope Nb can fly and drops Rocket from sky...

i hope they give NB 3rd arm and hand... And when stamina finished staff will appear and Stam can turns to MAgicka NB...

no, after all the best way is just delete nb or replace with just next class

yes I can do most bosses on nb but on other classes e3specially sorc I will do it with much more effectively than on *** nb
also I had hope to buff nb but I dont see it, nb god seriousily good buffs maybe only twice in game...1st time to be finally playable classes from game release and 2nd time on TG/DB, outside this TG/DB nb was always on bottom so what is the reason to keep this mistaken class? yes this class in eso is BIG mistake, on bottom of everything possible in game except ganking and people have the biggest ass hurt to this ganking!

so how dev dont know how to balance this class...just delete this big mistake haha, they have not that much problem with all other classes as with this nb lol

TheHsN · May 2017

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

OK OK...Lets delete SORC ur Nb will still be weak...Then Lets Delete DK... and then Templar and Even Warden...that u can play UR beloved NB... u can kill every mobs every bosses with ur nb:D... u can sleep caddling ur NB.... I hope they BUFF NB to the GOD mod...i hope Cloak will be 60 secs and cost 1 magicka...i hope Nb can fly and drops Rocket from sky...

i hope they give NB 3rd arm and hand... And when stamina finished staff will appear and Stam can turns to MAgicka NB...

What is wrong with you? We want slight nerfs to bring sorcs on par with other classes and you think that they'll be useless just because you aren't carried by the class?
Buffs and nerfs are numbers added to a base value x and if x for sorcs is 10 and x for nb is 5 and you want that 1 is added to both you can achieve balance? This is not working it's not about number of nerfs and buffs but quality of the changes.

Look Man ,

Zos Doesnt now How to or What to NERFS. ok...
Sorc was a very good and fun played and u try to destroy it too...Instead of fighting for nerfs and destroy one class lets fight and make them see that they need to develop other classes...With Nerf as u see they destroy uniqueness of classes too not just make them weak...They kill their play sytle and uniq skills also...And now u say if they dont buff this they kill Sorcs too and they kill one more fun and good class too... So what will stay at the and of the Nerfs and Destroys Classes and their uniquness NOTHING...

But ok keep for asking more nerfs For Sorc Dont care this game anymore whit this Venom Comunity....

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2017

Geez, I honestly think nobody with experience on all classes will deny a buff to Nightblades. They need it. But asking to nerf all sorcs because one build is op (familiar + prey + necro) is pathetic. Familiar nerf is already anounced (last eso live).

It's just like asking for streak to be nerfed bc the dk chains or nb cloak is broken instead of leaving streak alone and fix the other skills. Funny thing is, this was already demanded.

BohnT · May 2017

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Tinus_92 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

And since that question was asked, sorc has been nerfed in all those areas for morrowind. Yet people still yelling for more rather than waiting to see how it works out.

And yes, my SIG. It kind of means I understand the class. I can see how things like eclipse buffs and new warden reflects will hurt frags. I can see how proactive defences will be hit harder than reactive by the sustain changes. I can see how much more damage shields will take from the cp changes.
Basically all the generic changes which hurt sorcs a lot, which simply arn't seen by non-sorcs. So we keep on seeing the nerf sorc threads. Even after multiple direct class nerfs too.

I'm just getting really, really tired of explaining the impact to people who don't want to listen, in thread after thread just to see new ones pop up time and time again..

You forget to mention something, ALL classess are being nerfed. And yes, your SIG, it kind of means you don't really play the other classes. Thing which simply aren't seen by sorcs, which is why there were so many nerf sorc threads. (To list it in your words.)

Pve wise, magsorcs probably will continue to be one of the strongest classes. While I'm against hard nerfs but would rather see buffs to weaker classes, I do understand where all the rage is coming from. Although sorcs got nerfed earlier, the One Tamriel & Homestead updates have buffed magsorcs DPS a lot while other classes, such as magicka templar and NB, got nerfed and will get even more hits next patch as well. Why else are top raiding teams nearly requiring 8 sorcs within their trial raids on live at the moment?

Tamriel & Homestead EVEN didnot make any changes on sorce.. LOOk on PATCH NOTES

Are you drunk or simply biased? There are changes in both patches and they made sorcs completely op in pve and very strong in pvp.

Show me just.. they only changed that hunting curse... and it is not useful at all...show me those patch notes i will say sorry u are right...

Increased the Physical and Spell Resistance of all Daedric Summoning pets by 100% (18200 resists at CP160, up from 9100).
Bound Armor: Fixed an issue where toggling this ability and its morphs off would dismount you.
Daedric Curse: This ability and its morphs will now deal their Area of Effect damage even if the target dies.
Rebate: Fixed an issue where Rank II of this passive was restoring less Magicka than intended for player characters at Level 50.
Summon Storm Atronach: Increased the damage dealt from the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.
Summon Volatile Familiar (Summon Unstable Familiar morph):
Increased the duration of this pet’s special ability to 8 seconds from 4 seconds, causing it to pulse for two extra ticks of damage.
Fixed an issue where the damage from this morph’s special ability was not being increased by Daedric Prey.
Summon Winged Twilight: Increased the health of the pet summoned by this ability and its morphs by 100% (15889 Health at CP160, up from 7945).
Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to explode a second time after an additional 8.5 seconds

"No buffs"

PLS which ones are making SORC very powerful DPS in PVE or PVP...

-No one almost using STORM Atro
-Curse: there isnt any buff to curse no one wait it until second dmg... so it is same like before so no BUFF
-Health incresed to pets : how that make more DPS
-and just a volatike Familiar...

Now if u wanna look WHAT BIGGER BUFFS they give TO DK NB and TEMPLAR.... then talk ok...

WTF???? WHEN???? few patches ago? lol nb had no buffs since TG/DB, only nerfs lol, templar in last patches also had only nerfs and dk similiar...only dragon blood 1 morph buffed and this is maybe all lol

Impale (Assassin’s Blade morph): Increased the range of this morph to 28 meters at Rank IV from 18 meters.

The traps summoned by this morph can now fear two enemies instead of one.

The Assassin’s Scourge proc from this morph now only scales with your Weapon Damage and Maximum Stamina stats.

Path of Darkness: Increased the damage of this ability and the Refreshing Path morph by 25%.

Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 32%.

You know the difference between a buff to a op class or a buff to classes which are completely outclassed by any other class?
Path of darkness did so few damage you wouldn't even slot it

In PvP everybody slots pets already !!! but u count it as buff...SO BUFF IS BUFF u use it or not it is ur playstyle...

But leave SORC alone... ok.. I play and i love it... AND i play and I LOVE other Classes too... Instead of asking NERFS for SORC u need to ask BUFF to other CLASSES and fix them...not to try destroy another good balanced class... that is sick behavior... cuz of thinking like this game got in to shittt........

so please leave a *** nb alone since few *** patches with only *** nerfs to class which is nonstop on bottom of everything outside ganking!

but no, nb is getting nerf hit nonstop nonstop without stopping while for example this sorc which is on top have no nerf but also have a bit of buffs...LOGIC!

do u even READ what people write here.................................. OMG.....LOOK WHAT I WROTE at the beggining
Just need to make NB TUNE UP as equal to SORC....

and here this thread was created to say people PLS dont ask nerfs more let ask for buff to classes Which are really need And as u see i asked buff for NB not to NERFS for others...ur LOGIC is to destroy which is good and mines to develop which needs it... i leave the LOGIC here to you...

yes I readed but what is the reason to not nerf sorc when nb still is getting gutted where everyone are talking about buff this the most *** class?

if ZO$ have no *** idea how to buff the shittest class then they should nerf most op class ffs, at all they have no *** idea how to buff, they know only how to nerf everything while buff for them is unknown concept

OK OK...Lets delete SORC ur Nb will still be weak...Then Lets Delete DK... and then Templar and Even Warden...that u can play UR beloved NB... u can kill every mobs every bosses with ur nb:D... u can sleep caddling ur NB.... I hope they BUFF NB to the GOD mod...i hope Cloak will be 60 secs and cost 1 magicka...i hope Nb can fly and drops Rocket from sky...

i hope they give NB 3rd arm and hand... And when stamina finished staff will appear and Stam can turns to MAgicka NB...

What is wrong with you? We want slight nerfs to bring sorcs on par with other classes and you think that they'll be useless just because you aren't carried by the class?
Buffs and nerfs are numbers added to a base value x and if x for sorcs is 10 and x for nb is 5 and you want that 1 is added to both you can achieve balance? This is not working it's not about number of nerfs and buffs but quality of the changes.

Look Man ,

Zos Doesnt now How to or What to NERFS. ok...
Sorc was a very good and fun played and u try to destroy it too...Instead of fighting for nerfs and destroy one class lets fight and make them see that they need to develop other classes...With Nerf as u see they destroy uniqueness of classes too not just make them weak...They kill their play sytle and uniq skills also...And now u say if they dont buff this they kill Sorcs too and they kill one more fun and good class too... So what will stay at the and of the Nerfs and Destroys Classes and their uniquness NOTHING...

But ok keep for asking more nerfs For Sorc Dont care this game anymore whit this Venom Comunity....

You say that they have no idea to fix one class so you want them to fix 3 at the same time?
Yell for buffs but don't be surprised if your sorc is left behind. Ask for nerfs that don't wreck the class just like I said.
Have you even read my post? And if someone doesn't share the same opinion he's not toxic you are just butthurt

Edziu · May 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Geez, I honestly think nobody with experience on all classes will deny a buff to Nightblades. They need it. But asking to nerf all sorcs because one build is op (familiar + prey + necro) is pathetic. Familiar nerf is already anounced (last eso live).

It's just like asking for streak to be nerfed bc the dk chains or nb cloak is broken instead of leaving streak alone and fix the other skills. Funny thing is, this was already demanded.

nb cloak is always broken since they took dot purge from 1 morph.....until cloak had just dont purge...dont mistake with purge to every negative effct...it was only dot purge....until cloak had this dot purgat was fine but since they took this cloak started breaking by many many dots which should be supressed but are not....

1 nerf to cloak....not working properly skill forever