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Magicka Nightblade in PvE - Killing an Already Dead Class?

Meld777
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For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.

In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.

Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?
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  • Artis
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    Meld777 wrote: »
    For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.

    In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.

    Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?

    Yeah, it's really odd that they let it happen for so long. NBs have been underrepresented on the leaderboards for more than a year already. They were never useful to a group after CP system was introduced, but at least they had DPS. Now they have nothing to offer at all and the only people playing them are people who just really love their characters and don't want to reroll and lose all the time/effort spent.

    If anything, with their lack of utility they should have more DPS than others, not less. Sorcs and Templars drop a synergy as a part of their rotation so Alkosh can be procced, sorcs have a lot of lightning providing that debuff, DKs have 10% fire damage, templars give minor sorcery buff.. And what do NB do? They could provide some heals with funnel and refreshing path - but no one wants that, since there are healers already and those skills are a DPS loss. They give minor weapon crit buff to the group? Yeah but no one runs stamina... Besides - ALL other classes synergize very well with each other and magicka builds and NB's buff is somewhat useless and they just don't fit in a group.

    If you can't balance DPS, think of another way to make every class important. Give every class a unique buff - so that the loss of this buff is very undesirable - and the buff is a much bigger DPS gain than taking another sorcerer instead of, say, a NB. In 12man trials make it stack 2-3 times or make it decay after 2-3 times, so that not one class is dominant and all classes are represented. Reward players who practice and play classes that are underperforming.
  • spiiros
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    To be fair - unless they buff the Warden, they'll be second worst on the magic side of DPS - lmao.
  • max_only
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    No but you guys, all nightblade players are filthy gankers. we troll the "just, pure, upright, never stealthed in their lives" classes. It's totally impossible to gank from any other class so you know we nightblades deserve to get punished further in pve (where all we are trying to do is get invited to the party and not be a waste of space).
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  • LegacyDM
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    Meld777 wrote: »
    For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.

    In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.

    Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?

    What's wrong with you!? Wrobel wants to make them more sneaky in pve! That will solve all our problems! Geeze.
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  • GawdSB
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    ZOS doesn't know how to create classes where they're all at least decent or given a chance to be equal in everything. Magblades shine in solo plays but in a group or raid environment they're totally outclassed. Which is why mine has been reduced to a VMA lackey.
  • Hortator Indoril Nerevar
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    I only have one character and its my mNB who had 96% of all pve achivs pre update (I now no longer bother playing as a completionist though).. I find it extremely annoying that I am far weaker than all other classes even with bis.. I put up with it but after seeing what a waste of character I am now in the new update I have not played live for close to 1-2 months. Slowly playing less until this point in which I dont anymore..

    I have a youtube channel with close to 5000 subs and my main source of content was eso. However as I dont really play eso now I have had no content. I am awaiting the lift of the nda so I can explain to the subs that the reason the content has gone down is that the game is pointless for a pve nightblade who plays as a completionist.

    They add pointless, unreasonably long achivs = no more playing to complete the achivs
    They make mNB worthless = no more playing for trial leader boards etc

    What is left? Play the quests of morrowind, make a nice house in what was my fav game tes3 and leave again for months and moths?....

    cant wait...
  • eserras7b16_ESO
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    I can only agree that Magblades need a stronger DoT or something wich affects PvE but doesn't really affect PvP. Then a big problem Magblades have are sorcerers. If they're tunned down a bit the gap will decrease, like, you're comparing yourself to a magsorc but you shouldn't, they destroy any other class in the game.

    You're basically not so bad compared to other classes, just a bit of tune up of the skills and you'll be fine, then join the sorcerer nerf train :p I mean, not that I hate sorcerers it is just to have a healthy game, they need to tune down some of their abilities: the pet, the liquid lightning, just so they're affected in PvE dps but are still strong in PvP.
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    I can only agree that Magblades need a stronger DoT or something wich affects PvE but doesn't really affect PvP. Then a big problem Magblades have are sorcerers. If they're tunned down a bit the gap will decrease, like, you're comparing yourself to a magsorc but you shouldn't, they destroy any other class in the game.

    You're basically not so bad compared to other classes, just a bit of tune up of the skills and you'll be fine, then join the sorcerer nerf train :p I mean, not that I hate sorcerers it is just to have a healthy game, they need to tune down some of their abilities: the pet, the liquid lightning, just so they're affected in PvE dps but are still strong in PvP.

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    Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by approximately 11%.

    Magblade is saved and OP now, rejoice! /kidding
    Edited by makreth on May 9, 2017 9:02AM
  • RoyJade
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    they need to tune down some of their abilities: the pet, the liquid lightning

    LL should not be hit IMO, but the pet explosion should be toned down (while the ai should be smarter).
    NB need more dps tool. A stronger singe target dot, a damage boost for their spammable (even as a morph who heal for less), a rework on spectral bow, a diminished cost on soul harvest and why not a boost damage on mark target, but only for them. I would love to see NB outclassed in aoe situation, but at the cost of being the top for singe target fight.
    And if they want to give more "sneaky" gameplay, why not add a big damage increase done to mobs only when they are stealthed or cloaked ? Just give this boost to concealed weapon, add a huge dot (still only for mobs of course) if the skill is used while cloaked.
  • pcar944
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    you cant kill the undead

    MagNB got left behind starting with patch just before Shadows Of The Hist

    constantly updating and changing skills for Sorcs, Templars, and DK's while a Nightblade cant get a toggle on Grim Focus?

    execute ability that doesn't work? spammables that don't do comparable damage? cloak that gets broken by breath of the wind? been going on for well over a year

    its clear, ZoS only cares about DK's and Sorcs, and Templar has always been their baby

    WoW has like 9 classes and some can tank, heal, and dps as well, but its 9 classes

    Zenimax has 4 (well, 3, because NB doesn't come remotely close to other 3 in anything) ... and now they are introducing a 5th class, so good bye NB

    and, potentially, good bye ESO, I've waited for over a year for some kind of improvement to the one class I find challenging and fun to play as in PVE and PVP and as a solo PVP player I have numerously placed in top 20 on DC and EP when I cared to play the game, but this is too much to ignore anymore ... waiting for something to get fixed while they continue to nerf my class

    do they know how squishy NB's are in PVP? do they know, or even care, about the fact that any Mag class (oops sorry, only applies to NB's here as well) is dead in PvP as soon as they run out of stamina to break free? (because we don't have streak, and we don't have a "house")

    do they even care that everything is a stun in PVP?

    no they don't, so this is it, I've preordered Morrowind, but seeing these changes makes me want to cancel my pre-order, I've subbed for over a year and payed them money, I've bought DLC packs, mounts, pets, and I subbed at the same time - only to watch my class get destroyed ... and with changes to Siphoning Attacks it wont even be worth using them now ... so thanks ZoS for ruining the experience
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  • Meld777
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    Magicka NB is complete garbage on PTS. It's like a mag Sorc with a global -30% damage debuff. They are not just unfit for competition. We're talking unfit for dailies. Why even take a 630 CP BiS Magicka Nightblade with perfect rotation when a 160 CP mag Sorc in random Magicka gear with amateur button smashing has higher dps?

    I cancelled my preorder for now. What I've seen so far has killed my desire to test anything on PTS anymore. I'll just enjoy Live for as long as I can and just test my NB when Morrowind comes out. Just sucks that my subscription just got renewed for another 3 months. Wish I could take that back as well. :/ It really hurts to further support ZOS financially at this point.
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      • Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by approximately 11%.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno In my parses, Twisting Path deals 4 - 5% of overall DPS. With 11% damage increase, that's a 0.44 - 0.55% overall damage increase. Fun fact: If you increase Twisting Path's damage by 300%, Nightblades will still be nowhere close to Sorcs. They would still deal at least 10k less single target DPS (on PTS). On overall DPS in a boss fight, we're talking 30k+ difference. That's how broken Nightblade is at the moment.
    Edited by Meld777 on May 10, 2017 7:55AM
    Maelstrom Arena Champion | Undaunted | Fighters Guild Victor

    Level 50 Magicka NB | CP160+

    nAA | vCoH1 HM | nSO | nCoA2 | nDSA | nMA | vVoM

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  • Saint_Bud
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    To get numbers close or more then 40 k singel target dps you master the rota very well. Only a few wer so good, but the moast will sit around 30k or under it. On the other side a sorc have much more dps and a simply rotation, so also non so good player can reach high numbers. I am not shure what buff would help to close the gab, but moast player will still outmatched by sorc because of the harder rotation. I am angry about it as they told in homestadt patch they will look n evry rota to make it more easyer, but nothing happen.
    Edited by Saint_Bud on May 10, 2017 8:52AM
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    PVE Ramsay-Bolton magicka NB: Voice of Reason Clockwork City Patch retired
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  • aeowulf
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    Cancelled sub too, the change to siphoning has killed off my NB tank. it actually means ZoS loose 5 subs/morrowind purchases too as my partner and our RL friends will find something else to play post morrowind at this rate. Bit sad, lots of time invested, almost 18k achievments.

    Hit us pretty hard as two of us play NB, two are templar and the fifth a DK :( & none of us want to take a 'step back' in the content we can complete.

    Have also been asked to change class to dk or warden post morrowind if the NB changes go live by my trial raid leader. Alternatively I get to step down. Thanks ZoS.

    If spell crafting ever comes in I'll take another look, I think that's the only way they will ever balance the classes.
  • DerpyShadowz
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    Meld777 wrote: »
    Magicka NB is complete garbage on PTS. It's like a mag Sorc with a global -30% damage debuff. They are not just unfit for competition. We're talking unfit for dailies. Why even take a 630 CP BiS Magicka Nightblade with perfect rotation when a 160 CP mag Sorc in random Magicka gear with amateur button smashing has higher dps?

    I cancelled my preorder for now. What I've seen so far has killed my desire to test anything on PTS anymore. I'll just enjoy Live for as long as I can and just test my NB when Morrowind comes out. Just sucks that my subscription just got renewed for another 3 months. Wish I could take that back as well. :/ It really hurts to further support ZOS financially at this point.
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      • Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by approximately 11%.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno In my parses, Twisting Path deals 4 - 5% of overall DPS. With 11% damage increase, that's a 0.44 - 0.55% overall damage increase. Fun fact: If you increase Twisting Path's damage by 300%, Nightblades will still be nowhere close to Sorcs. They would still deal at least 10k less single target DPS (on PTS). On overall DPS in a boss fight, we're talking 30k+ difference. That's how broken Nightblade is at the moment.

    Twisting path is our best class DoT. Averages 4.5k DPS on a single target skeleton with this recent Buff, And its an AoE skill.

    As a side note, the skill scales with Master at Arms, not Thaumaturge.

    Edited by DerpyShadowz on May 10, 2017 11:32AM
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    @aeowulf much more people cancelled thei preorder with ofc sub..now Im some struggling without craft bag but still have fun playing in this game before morrowind with nerfs will hit

    Im also one of those NB dinousaurs with love to nb stilll playing this class but morrowind will just finish nb for me and this will be done with this game for me because I dont have that fun like on nb while playing on other classes...just rip NB community and very possible also rip to dk pvp community
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    They said they are working on it, should be sometime in q4 of 2018.
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    @t3hdubzy Would you please clarify what ZOS is working on? Thanks so much

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    Robbie529 wrote: »
    @t3hdubzy Would you please clarify what ZOS is working on? Thanks so much

    Making pve more suitable for stealth play....

    I was actually making a joke though so dont hold your breathe
  • IdesofMarch2
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    lol this is the thing. I have finally reached 500 cp and yes I am a mageblade. And I do like playing the class but man they really did a job on the nightblade. My other character I have is a Mag Sorc but i really dont feel like going back and completing all of the quests and dungeons all over again. So I guess I will stick with my mageblade. I love PVP and I die alot, and quick but I also don't think it has to do with my class lol. I am currently working on my gear as well.
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    Mnb in pve is a joke
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    This thread is a bit older. But mNB is still one of the worst choices for end-game PvE, but not as bad as it was back then.
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  • WildWilbur
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    ccfeeling wrote: »
    Mnb in pve is a joke

    That's not true. mNB are perfectly fine at collecting nodes and hunting chests. Should rename mine to 'Can-only-pick-flowers'...
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    Meld777 wrote: »
    This thread is a bit older. But mNB is still one of the worst choices for end-game PvE, but not as bad as it was back then.

    hell no , Mag NB is better than a Mag templar dps and mag warden dps . of course it's not better in terme of dps than a mag sorc ... but it's pretty simillar and the gameplay is better. As you can also see on leaderboard there is 1/2 Mag NB and 2/3 sorc ... even if there is 4/5 stam DK, the mag nb is on the leaderboard at least.

    btw when you say " worst " you talk about Dps ? maybe the dps is not as good as a stam dk ... but the Magnb spammable is also a good self-heal and they have acess to harness ward if this is not enough , while the sorc also have acess to a shield ( 2 shield but nvm , only noobax use 2 shield in PVE ) and don't play with power surge ( self heal + major sorcellery ) in HL cause they use pots. there is a thread where some people were talking about how good the MagNb is since morrowind( even if this was not the main subject ) called " Don't wear Netch " something like that.
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    WildWilbur wrote: »
    ccfeeling wrote: »
    Mnb in pve is a joke

    That's not true. mNB are perfectly fine at collecting nodes and hunting chests. Should rename mine to 'Can-only-pick-flowers'...

    only these thing deserve to be in your sentence.
    • Sorc tank
    • Sorc heal
    • NB heal
    • NB tank
    • DK heal( except elloa's DK heal , this one is good )
    • Templar tank
    • Warden Magicka DD
    • Warden stamina DD

    the mag NB isn't as bad as these " things "
  • Lucky28
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    Meld777 wrote: »
    For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.

    In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.

    Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?

    yeah. they need to restore siphioning attacks to what it was. magicka nightblades have resources, that's their thing. they don't have insane shield stacking potential, or ridiculous burst heals and they're not tanky. they have resources which is the nightblades base for diversifying builds. there are really no unique Magicka nightblade or stamblade builds. they're all basically the same. which is sad.

    #restore siphioning attacks
    Edited by Lucky28 on September 10, 2017 11:43PM
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    Lucky28 wrote: »
    Meld777 wrote: »
    For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.

    In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.

    Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?

    yeah. they need to restore siphioning attacks to what it was. magicka nightblades have resources, that's their thing. they don't have insane shield stacking potential, or ridiculous burst heals and they're not tanky. they have resources which is the nightblades base for diversifying builds. there are really no unique Magicka nightblade or stamblade builds. they're all basically the same. which is sad.

    #restore siphioning attacks

    Well tbh mag nb in PvE is far from beeing the weakest people just have to stop whining and l2p it.
  • Lucky28
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Lucky28 wrote: »
    Meld777 wrote: »
    For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.

    In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.

    Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?

    yeah. they need to restore siphioning attacks to what it was. magicka nightblades have resources, that's their thing. they don't have insane shield stacking potential, or ridiculous burst heals and they're not tanky. they have resources which is the nightblades base for diversifying builds. there are really no unique Magicka nightblade or stamblade builds. they're all basically the same. which is sad.

    #restore siphioning attacks

    Well tbh mag nb in PvE is far from beeing the weakest people just have to stop whining and l2p it.

    never said it was. it just was balanced and now it's under performing. Nightblade was the one class ZoS didn't need to touch because in both PvE and PvP it was the class that was closest to being perfectly balanced in all aspects (only issue was Destro ult and proc set stacking) ZoS messed up on that one.
    Edited by Lucky28 on September 11, 2017 7:33AM
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    One think NBs need is execute that works on 30% of target's health, up from 25%, for start. Twisting path should be buffed for at least 25% and not only 11%. Spectral bow should be tweaked as well - first fire after 5 light attacks, second after 4, 3rd after 3. Reaper's mark should be remade into a skill that behaves similar to fetcher infection - make it jump on 3-5 targets after it expires on primary one or primary target dies. Both shades morphs need a bit of bonus benefits. Dark shades should debuff 500 spell resistance on enemies they attacked, and Shadow image need 6 meter more to cast range and 500 physical resistance debuff on enemy in attacked. Consuming darkness and its morphs need boost so NB would have great ultimate for group PvE utility. Bolstering darkness could provide 2K resistances to allies inside it and these would last up to 3 sec after ulti ends or allies leave the radius of ulti's effect. Veil of Blades need unique debuff that would make all enemies inside this ulti deal 10% less damage for the duration of ulti, or 3 sec after they leave the radius of ulti's effect.
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    Siphoning should be changed to proc on any damage, not just light attacks, but given a 1 sec cool down.

    Alternatively stam/mag regen should be returned when blocking. The changed removed a nb's way of getting back stamina when blocking, which hurt nb tanks big time. DK/warden can still get stamina when blocking. Something as fundamental as that should be the same for all classes, either we all can, or all can't.

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    My main PvE toon is a magblade and I certainly agree with the OP here. It seems that every single patch in recent memory has only made the class more and more difficult to live with.

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