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Magicka Nightblade in PvE - Killing an Already Dead Class?
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.
In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.
Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?
yeah. they need to restore siphioning attacks to what it was. magicka nightblades have resources, that's their thing. they don't have insane shield stacking potential, or ridiculous burst heals and they're not tanky. they have resources which is the nightblades base for diversifying builds. there are really no unique Magicka nightblade or stamblade builds. they're all basically the same. which is sad.
#restore siphioning attacks
Well tbh mag nb in PvE is far from beeing the weakest people just have to stop whining and l2p it.
never said it was. it just was balanced and now it's under performing. Nightblade was the one class ZoS didn't need to touch because in both PvE and PvP it was the class that was closest to being perfectly balanced in all aspects (only issue was Destro ult and proc set stacking) ZoS messed up on that one.
Nb is not underperforming. And yes Nb needed changes because some of skills he had (like mentioned SIphoning Attacks) was a joke in terms of ballance and was overperforming a lot. Problem wioth nb is that class requires more skill etc to play on competitive level then some other popular builds but mastered can be even stronger then them.0 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.
In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.
Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?
yeah. they need to restore siphioning attacks to what it was. magicka nightblades have resources, that's their thing. they don't have insane shield stacking potential, or ridiculous burst heals and they're not tanky. they have resources which is the nightblades base for diversifying builds. there are really no unique Magicka nightblade or stamblade builds. they're all basically the same. which is sad.
#restore siphioning attacks
Well tbh mag nb in PvE is far from beeing the weakest people just have to stop whining and l2p it.
never said it was. it just was balanced and now it's under performing. Nightblade was the one class ZoS didn't need to touch because in both PvE and PvP it was the class that was closest to being perfectly balanced in all aspects (only issue was Destro ult and proc set stacking) ZoS messed up on that one.
Nb is not underperforming. And yes Nb needed changes because some of skills he had (like mentioned SIphoning Attacks) was a joke in terms of ballance and was overperforming a lot. Problem wioth nb is that class requires more skill etc to play on competitive level then some other popular builds but mastered can be even stronger then them.
no, that was their defense mechanism and the least broken of the 4 classes. i don't recall a single person ever complaining about NB's sustain being broken. not like people complain about sorc shields or templar heals or DK's tankyness. this is mostly because a magblade has to do double to reach the same level of effectiveness as a sorc templar or DK.
so if you think Siphioning attack was broken you have to nerf all the other classes main defense mechanism as they are leagues ahead of what siphioning attacks was.Edited by Lucky28 on September 12, 2017 6:48AMInvictus3 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.
In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.
Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?
yeah. they need to restore siphioning attacks to what it was. magicka nightblades have resources, that's their thing. they don't have insane shield stacking potential, or ridiculous burst heals and they're not tanky. they have resources which is the nightblades base for diversifying builds. there are really no unique Magicka nightblade or stamblade builds. they're all basically the same. which is sad.
#restore siphioning attacks
Well tbh mag nb in PvE is far from beeing the weakest people just have to stop whining and l2p it.
never said it was. it just was balanced and now it's under performing. Nightblade was the one class ZoS didn't need to touch because in both PvE and PvP it was the class that was closest to being perfectly balanced in all aspects (only issue was Destro ult and proc set stacking) ZoS messed up on that one.
Nb is not underperforming. And yes Nb needed changes because some of skills he had (like mentioned SIphoning Attacks) was a joke in terms of ballance and was overperforming a lot. Problem wioth nb is that class requires more skill etc to play on competitive level then some other popular builds but mastered can be even stronger then them.
no, that was their defense mechanism and the least broken of the 4 classes. i don't recall a single person ever complaining about NB's sustain being broken. not like people complain about sorc shields or templar heals or DK's tankyness. this is mostly because a magblade has to do double to reach the same level of effectiveness as a sorc templar or DK.
so if you think Siphioning attack was broken you have to nerf all the other classes main defense mechanism as they are leagues ahead of what siphioning attacks was.
AGREE.Edited by max_only on September 12, 2017 6:07PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For over a year Magicka Nightblade has been the worst class in raids. Before Homestead, however, the difference in DPS between a perfectly played mNB (weakest in PvE) and a perfectly played mSorc (strongest in PvE) was around 5k in single target and at least 10k+ in AoE. With the sustain nerf to Funnel in Homestead and more power creep, this gap started to increase a lot. Now, on Live, the difference between perfectly played, BiS mNBs and mSorcs is at least 10k. When I have 45k single target with a perfect rotation, our best mSorc in raid has 57k. Add to this that a mNB's rotation is much more complex and harder to master and you have yourselves a dead class.
In Morrowind you're taking the only thing away that was giving mNBs an upper hand over other classes - better sustain due to Siphoning Attacks. And by "upper hand" I mean the potential to deal only 10k less dps. With that taken away in Morrowind the gap is now up to 20k in single target dps. I don't know why you're doing this.
Can't you just log on and check the leaderboards on Live (I'm from PC EU)? How much do you have to scroll down to spot the first Nightblade? Or how about you actually check the PTS, all the raids that have completed vHoF (HM)? How many Nightblades can you spot there? I'll help you, it rhymes with De Niro.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel What is wrong with you?
yeah. they need to restore siphioning attacks to what it was. magicka nightblades have resources, that's their thing. they don't have insane shield stacking potential, or ridiculous burst heals and they're not tanky. they have resources which is the nightblades base for diversifying builds. there are really no unique Magicka nightblade or stamblade builds. they're all basically the same. which is sad.
#restore siphioning attacks
Well tbh mag nb in PvE is far from beeing the weakest people just have to stop whining and l2p it.
never said it was. it just was balanced and now it's under performing. Nightblade was the one class ZoS didn't need to touch because in both PvE and PvP it was the class that was closest to being perfectly balanced in all aspects (only issue was Destro ult and proc set stacking) ZoS messed up on that one.
Nb is not underperforming. And yes Nb needed changes because some of skills he had (like mentioned SIphoning Attacks) was a joke in terms of ballance and was overperforming a lot. Problem wioth nb is that class requires more skill etc to play on competitive level then some other popular builds but mastered can be even stronger then them.
no, that was their defense mechanism and the least broken of the 4 classes. i don't recall a single person ever complaining about NB's sustain being broken. not like people complain about sorc shields or templar heals or DK's tankyness. this is mostly because a magblade has to do double to reach the same level of effectiveness as a sorc templar or DK.
so if you think Siphioning attack was broken you have to nerf all the other classes main defense mechanism as they are leagues ahead of what siphioning attacks was.
Many people was considering Siphoning Attacks beeing too strong maybe You just wasnt hearing enough. It wasnt that of an issue before Morrowind because CP's was covering that differences yet on non CP campaigns it was obvious nb's have too strong resource managment. Keeping that skill without changes after Morrowind would be complete fail in ballancing things because it would leave nb beeing emperor of resource managment when he already was king of it. About nb defense , yes it's harder to learn defense on nb but also lets be honest this class have the best escapability in the game atm and after You learn how to defense properly You can outperform defenses of other classes partially thx for fact You can quickly switch between defense and high offense.
Main defense mechanism You're saying ?
DK- Reflective scales used to reflect all projectiles during 4 secodns changed to only 4 projectiles , dynamic ultimate change damaged DK the most also Cinder Storm used to give 30% miss chane to enemeis standing in it.
Templar - BoL used to heal You and 2 allies then changed to You and 1 ally also now it's cone heal that wont reach allies behind LoS , templar also loosed Major Mending and cost of extended ritual was increased , Blindning Flashes was changed into jesus beam.
Sorc - shields used to last 20 seconds nerfed to 6 and blink used to have 50% cost increased only after 1st use not after each use also Ball of Lightning morph used to absorb projectiles for 6,5 sec now it's 2,5 , surge used to heal for 60% of critical dmg done so it as possible to burst heal from skills like crystal frag etc now it's no longer possible.
All classes had their main defense mechanisms nerfed and up to Siphomning Attacks nerf only other nerf that dmg nb was changing cloak to supress not purge DoT's which havnt changed a lot.
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Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭Competitive gameplay in Cyrodiil is at an all time low. resource changes are a major contributor as to why that is, it gave to much power to zergs so all cyrodiil is now is faction stacking at keeps with little else going on anywhere else on the map. so i'm not down with it.
aside from that. nightblades are squishy in general siphioning attacks balanced that out for the most part.
but it doesn't matter i'm not as diehard about this game i used to be.Invictus1 -
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✭Hmm this thread did not aged well.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
Arg | Pc Na | Factionless Mag Warden.0
