When will you understand wrobel

Subversus

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)


And you still haven't addressed the fact that magblades will be 100% countered by templars next patch. Literally 100% as ALL our (average at best) damage is reflectable.

HugeMuffin

At this point in time, I get the feeling that when they introduce class change tokens, they'll hand out nightblade specific ones and just pull the class from the game. There is no compelling reason to be a nightblade any more.

PVE - Now viable for stamina builds unless you're a stamblade. PvP - Use our special Sorcerer themed fly swatter to swat those pesky nightblades away!

Mojmir

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)


And you still haven't addressed the fact that magblades will be 100% countered by templars next patch. Literally 100% as ALL our (average at best) damage is reflectable.

your talking to a guy who mains a sorc(easy mode),he used to favor NB but i guess it was too challenging for him

Subversus

tinbromide wrote: »

At this point in time, I get the feeling that when they introduce class change tokens, they'll hand out nightblade specific ones and just pull the class from the game. There is no compelling reason to be a nightblade any more.

PVE - Now viable for stamina builds unless you're a stamblade. PvP - Use our special Sorcerer themed fly swatter to swat those pesky nightblades away!

I love you

ParaNostram

. . . Low damage? My burstiest character is a Magblade. OP, I.... What?

Edit: Forgot to mention she has great sustain too, was too confused by the OP's original comment conflicting with how I have experienced reality playing on my Magblade (who is effectively my main because she's so damned fun)

Christ... First Templar are saying RIP their class now NBs are doing it more when they're getting a buff and just...

I need to stop expecting logic on the forums. *** it! I'm done! I'm out!

Subversus

ParaNostram wrote: »

. . . Low damage? My burstiest character is a Magblade. OP, I.... What?

Yes low sustain damage. Relentless is as good as frags. Burst is good if you time it with ults, but then again what class isn't at that point.

ParaNostram

Subversus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

. . . Low damage? My burstiest character is a Magblade. OP, I.... What?

Yes low sustain damage. Relentless is as good as frags. Burst is good if you time it with ults, but then again what class isn't at that point.

I went back and edited. She has great sustain too. It just takes a good weave. Also before you ask, yes, I have been on the Beta and have been testing it and haven't noticed any terrible difference in sustain. I just don't understand what is bringing you to believe NB's lack damage and sustain. I really just don't understand. It feels like you walked up to me and told me the sky is red and grass is blue. We're not on Namek for the eternal final five minutes are we?

HugeMuffin

ParaNostram wrote: »

. . . Low damage? My burstiest character is a Magblade. OP, I.... What?

People always start talking about PvP whenever someone has a valid PvE complaint about an NB nerf. Yes, in PvE, nightblades have the lowest damage of any damage dealers.

With the changes to stealth damage, the burstiness of the nightblade will be brought in line with the other characters so that won't even be a fair deflection. Since NB's are going to have trouble taking down an average player via burst, they are going to then be faced with a fair fight which NB's aren't equipped to win.

Subversus

ParaNostram wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

. . . Low damage? My burstiest character is a Magblade. OP, I.... What?

Yes low sustain damage. Relentless is as good as frags. Burst is good if you time it with ults, but then again what class isn't at that point.

I went back and edited. She has great sustain too. It just takes a good weave. Also before you ask, yes, I have been on the Beta and have been testing it and haven't noticed any terrible difference in sustain. I just don't understand what is bringing you to believe NB's lack damage and sustain. I really just don't understand. It feels like you walked up to me and told me the sky is red and grass is blue. We're not on Namek for the eternal final five minutes are we?

Agree to disagree. Point remains, syphoning attacks is still useless (there's 0 need to slot it on the pts as you barely break even) and templars are a 100% counter.

ParaNostram

tinbromide wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

. . . Low damage? My burstiest character is a Magblade. OP, I.... What?

People always start talking about PvP whenever someone has a valid PvE complaint about an NB nerf. Yes, in PvE, nightblades have the lowest damage of any damage dealers.

With the changes to stealth damage, the burstiness of the nightblade will be brought in line with the other characters so that won't even be a fair deflection. Since NB's are going to have trouble taking down an average player via burst, they are going to then be faced with a fair fight which NB's aren't equipped to win.

Even in PvE I've tested, wild damage wild sustain magblades are a power house that's a bit skill intensive. Maybe in end game PvE there might be some issues compared to other classes but that is always going to be the case for sheer lack of creativity amongst meta humpers that swarm PvE these days. I think a clever player can overcome any obstacle if they actually want to and not give up as quickly as everyone seems to do.

Edit: My source for calling PvEers meta humpers who give up too easy is evidenced by how many baby sorcs I've seen since people started saying sorcs will be the new OP. Stats will never make up for mastery of a class. Meta will never overcome creativity as meta is born of one person being creative and everyone else jumping on that band wagon. PvPers are guilty too I admit but we don't kick people out of groups for failing to hump the meta.

ParaNostram

Subversus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

. . . Low damage? My burstiest character is a Magblade. OP, I.... What?

Yes low sustain damage. Relentless is as good as frags. Burst is good if you time it with ults, but then again what class isn't at that point.

I went back and edited. She has great sustain too. It just takes a good weave. Also before you ask, yes, I have been on the Beta and have been testing it and haven't noticed any terrible difference in sustain. I just don't understand what is bringing you to believe NB's lack damage and sustain. I really just don't understand. It feels like you walked up to me and told me the sky is red and grass is blue. We're not on Namek for the eternal final five minutes are we?

Agree to disagree. Point remains, syphoning attacks is still useless (there's 0 need to slot it on the pts as you barely break even) and templars are a 100% counter.

You can agree to disagree 'till the cows come home, sugar. You see useless, I see holy hell this is letting me keep my sustain in a reasonable degree with a few heavy attacks thrown in for good measure (which hello? You should be doing anyways if you are relying on just one ability for sustain then honey you need to rethink your build and rotation).

Arrchangell

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)


And you still haven't addressed the fact that magblades will be 100% countered by templars next patch. Literally 100% as ALL our (average at best) damage is reflectable.

I'm a stam nb, and i'm ok with adding healing, but if i had to choose, would rather take the stamina return alone than a skill like this that's on pts.

DisgracefulMind

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)


And you still haven't addressed the fact that magblades will be 100% countered by templars next patch. Literally 100% as ALL our (average at best) damage is reflectable.

Ooo did we get wings?

Please don't tell me you're referencing the awful skill known as Eclipse that almost no Templar uses o:

Subversus

ParaNostram wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

. . . Low damage? My burstiest character is a Magblade. OP, I.... What?

Yes low sustain damage. Relentless is as good as frags. Burst is good if you time it with ults, but then again what class isn't at that point.

I went back and edited. She has great sustain too. It just takes a good weave. Also before you ask, yes, I have been on the Beta and have been testing it and haven't noticed any terrible difference in sustain. I just don't understand what is bringing you to believe NB's lack damage and sustain. I really just don't understand. It feels like you walked up to me and told me the sky is red and grass is blue. We're not on Namek for the eternal final five minutes are we?

Agree to disagree. Point remains, syphoning attacks is still useless (there's 0 need to slot it on the pts as you barely break even) and templars are a 100% counter.

You can agree to disagree 'till the cows come home, sugar. You see useless, I see holy hell this is letting me keep my sustain in a reasonable degree with a few heavy attacks thrown in for good measure (which hello? You should be doing anyways if you are relying on just one ability for sustain then honey you need to rethink your build and rotation).

How do you see more sustain when you have to do like what 10 seconds of light attack weaving just to break even for casting the skill? I don't understand your logic. Anyways the point of this thread is not to argue on who's the better player (which you are obviously insinuating) but to bash on wrobel and raise awareness.

Subversus

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)


And you still haven't addressed the fact that magblades will be 100% countered by templars next patch. Literally 100% as ALL our (average at best) damage is reflectable.

Ooo did we get wings?

Please don't tell me you're referencing the awful skill known as Eclipse that almost no Templar uses o:

Every Templar will use it now b

Magıc

When you making a thread about stamblade for our mutual friend Jeff?

ParaNostram

Subversus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

. . . Low damage? My burstiest character is a Magblade. OP, I.... What?

Yes low sustain damage. Relentless is as good as frags. Burst is good if you time it with ults, but then again what class isn't at that point.

I went back and edited. She has great sustain too. It just takes a good weave. Also before you ask, yes, I have been on the Beta and have been testing it and haven't noticed any terrible difference in sustain. I just don't understand what is bringing you to believe NB's lack damage and sustain. I really just don't understand. It feels like you walked up to me and told me the sky is red and grass is blue. We're not on Namek for the eternal final five minutes are we?

Agree to disagree. Point remains, syphoning attacks is still useless (there's 0 need to slot it on the pts as you barely break even) and templars are a 100% counter.

You can agree to disagree 'till the cows come home, sugar. You see useless, I see holy hell this is letting me keep my sustain in a reasonable degree with a few heavy attacks thrown in for good measure (which hello? You should be doing anyways if you are relying on just one ability for sustain then honey you need to rethink your build and rotation).

How do you see more sustain when you have to do like what 10 seconds of light attack weaving just to break even for casting the skill? I don't understand your logic. Anyways the point of this thread is not to argue on who's the better player (which you are obviously insinuating) but to bash on wrobel and raise awareness.

I am insinuating. If you want to participate in end game anything which is a competition inherently, then it is skill based. You are saying magblades cannot COMPETE with other classes. Well, if you want to talk about what is competitive, then how about you acknowledge the other side of the coin?

DisgracefulMind

Subversus wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)


And you still haven't addressed the fact that magblades will be 100% countered by templars next patch. Literally 100% as ALL our (average at best) damage is reflectable.

Ooo did we get wings?

Please don't tell me you're referencing the awful skill known as Eclipse that almost no Templar uses o:

Every Templar will use it now b

Ooo I totally skipped over that buff because I never expect it to be a good one. Thanks o:

Klblk

all is ok

Subversus

Magıc wrote: »

When you making a thread about stamblade for our mutual friend Jeff?

There's nothing to say tbh, stamblade will still be in a good spot because medium isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

He did rage when I told him about the changes irl

Jitterbug

In Soviet Tamriel Wrobel understands you

DisgracefulMind

Klblk wrote: »

all is ok

Don't see your point here, I actually didn't read the buff to Eclipse at all because there was so much to take in on those patch notes. So Templars got a "wings" of sort, not sure if there's any room to use it, or if it will even work like we want it to, or if it will just be a fail like it's been for a long time.

Can't blame me for having no hope for that skill.

Joy_Division

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)


And you still haven't addressed the fact that magblades will be 100% countered by templars next patch. Literally 100% as ALL our (average at best) damage is reflectable.

Ooo did we get wings?

Please don't tell me you're referencing the awful skill known as Eclipse that almost no Templar uses o:

Every Templar will use it now b

Ooo I totally skipped over that buff because I never expect it to be a good one. Thanks o:

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Eclipse will now grant the target 7 seconds of CC immunity ... even though it does expend stamina to break free. Targets with CC immunity are unaffected the the reflect debuff

So...

Templar: "Eclipse!"

NB: "K. Cloak"

Templar: " ... "

NB: "Thanks for the CC immunity! I need it now the Wrobel gutted my stamina management."

DisgracefulMind

Joy_Division wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)


And you still haven't addressed the fact that magblades will be 100% countered by templars next patch. Literally 100% as ALL our (average at best) damage is reflectable.

Ooo did we get wings?

Please don't tell me you're referencing the awful skill known as Eclipse that almost no Templar uses o:

Every Templar will use it now b

Ooo I totally skipped over that buff because I never expect it to be a good one. Thanks o:

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Eclipse will now grant the target 7 seconds of CC immunity ... even though it does expend stamina to break free. Targets with CC immunity are unaffected the the reflect debuff

So...

Templar: "Eclipse!"

NB: "K. Cloak"

Templar: " ... "

NB: "Thanks for the CC immunity! I need it now the Wrobel gutted my stamina management."

Yeah I'm not hopeful that it will be as amazing as it sounds lol.

NightbladeMechanics

Yay 58% uptime on uncounterable reflect unless I become an immov pot chugging potato or run a 7k magicka cost purge!

Magıc

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Yay 58% uptime on uncounterable reflect unless I become an immov pot chugging potato or run a 7k magicka cost purge!

Zos'd

Zvorgin

Sounds like Templars only reason to exist anymore is to counter magicka nightblades.

Goshua

Joy_Division wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)


And you still haven't addressed the fact that magblades will be 100% countered by templars next patch. Literally 100% as ALL our (average at best) damage is reflectable.

Ooo did we get wings?

Please don't tell me you're referencing the awful skill known as Eclipse that almost no Templar uses o:

Every Templar will use it now b

Ooo I totally skipped over that buff because I never expect it to be a good one. Thanks o:

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Eclipse will now grant the target 7 seconds of CC immunity ... even though it does expend stamina to break free. Targets with CC immunity are unaffected the the reflect debuff

So...

Templar: "Eclipse!"

NB: "K. Cloak"

Templar: " ... "

NB: "Thanks for the CC immunity! I need it now the Wrobel gutted my stamina management."

This. It's been that way for awhile so not sure why the OP is so worried about the 'next patch'

ParaNostram

Klblk wrote: »

all is ok

Cool. We got one of you. On a conversation about NBs when I'm talking about the NB I play on, we still got people bringing up my RP main.

Mordenkainen

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)

Pretty much this.

I gave up on trying to be viable in PvE on my MagBlade compared to other classes. They all just pull higher numbers by default.

Does it make my magblade bad that I don't run the same dps as a sorcerer?

No.

Does it make them desired in a group?

No.

QuebraRegra

Mordenkainen wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Magblades don't need more survivability, we already have healing up our ass. The main issue with magblade was the low damage and now also the terrible sustain (but all classes except sorcs have that problem so it's not so bad)

Pretty much this.

I gave up on trying to be viable in PvE on my MagBlade compared to other classes. They all just pull higher numbers by default.

Does it make my magblade bad that I don't run the same dps as a sorcerer?

No.

Does it make them desired in a group?

No.

user name checks out for a Sorc nice reference.