Deltia help us!

FlyLionel

Turelus wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

The butthurt in this one is strong.

As per my other thread, go actually play the PTS and try it, do some theory crafting and stop proclaiming the death of the game because of some paragraths.

If you want to stop the changes, actually try and do something to convince ZOS rather than just posting trash on the forums (that's my job).

Turelus B-b-but...console.

Everythings under Nda? Console players be like....salvage the last month and a half that we have. All we have is PARAGRAPHS/NDA. Do our bid.

Console then yes I see an issue and it's not fair you can't help with live testing, but you could try and math/theorycraft constructively.

Main game changes are not NDA that's why the patch notes are not NDA. Only Morrowind core content is NDA.

Turelus Okay. You will be my conduit to this pts, do me well....5bone pirate 2 engine guardian 3 agility..did I do good?

@FlyLionel class and race and if they're available via the handouts and not requiring of farming I can do my best.

However I will have other commitments and issues to test.

@Turelus I was kidding dude lol..pvp I will be fine, I would like to see some post forum(edit: post Pts) threads explaining in ones own opinion about the changes and all that stuff. Looking forward to the Pc players' response.

usmcjdking

Deltia wrote: »

https://youtu.be/6yZxFVvCiXU

10/10 video.

Starts digging fighting hole.

PTSD TRIGGERED.

1/10 video.

DMuehlhausen

BalticBlues wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Check Deltia twitter, he is on rage with these nerfs!
He is ESO legend player!

I have learnt more from Deltia than from anybody else in this game. He loves the game, he understands it in every aspect, and he has an open mind for all players, fans and devs. This is what he says on Twitter to the changes:

Deltia wrote:

I've been a fanboi for a long time, but *** this balance.
And no my account isn't hacked... My Templar Funeral --

This is exactly how I feel. We played three years - to finally get a ***-up Templar?

This is my "favorite": -50% BOL success (180 degrees instead of 360) What did the devs smoke? How do you 180-degree-emergeny-heal highly dynamical bosses as Urata Hovantud or the Ash Titan with all their companions around in vCoA? My Healer Sorc already feels more powerful than my Templar (except in Trials), but if this PTS patch will go live, the Templar will be dead. Am I glad that I did not order the expansion yet...

This really is in line with TES game play though. You ever hear NPCs yell. Kill the one in the dress! It's referring to casters and healers standing in the back. I try to always stand back as a healer anyway. The most frustrating part for healing is people that think running in circles and hoping around ups their dps...stand the F still it doesn't help. Now they will have to if they want their life saving heal.

Doctordarkspawn

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I like what ZOS is trying to do in shifting to make resources matter. I think that sentiment was shared from players like Deltia and I. How they go about it is another thing. Also, drastic changes to classes can be brutal, some can be good, some can be bad. It will take time to pan out.

I dont think all of these major class changes will hold. Im about 99% confident in that. They want to rock the boat and throw out changes now while they can see how people react and are able to test them. Then they will make a final pass on release and we will have to ride with that. Hopefully the final pass it pretty good and doesnt bury any class.

Theres no other time to test this thing on a wider playerbase. People that can test - test when you are able, and voice your feedback. Dont be painfully biased on things. Try to keep an open mind. Thats the best people can do for now IMO. Well see what lands in the end. Sometimes feedback gets ignored (COST POISONS). We do what we can. Deltia and I both would like to see progressive changes and its in our interests to see that happen.

Okay. How about we rock their stock pricle for being jerked around?

The only thing these changes inspire me to do is find a different game. I'm tired of this. ZOS wants to nerf my playstyle? I'll nerf their income. I am tired of trying to love this game and being unable to due to braindead decisions.

This is the winter of our discontent. Make them hear the wind howl. Make it keep them up at night as it rattles the windows and shutters. The time has come to stop being tollerent, the time for open minds has ended. The time for cold winter and colder rage has come.

Uriel_Nocturne

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Deltia doesn't give two ***.

He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.

With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.

There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.

So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.

So world bosses in other MMOs are easily soloable...maybe making changes that force people to group in the overland stuff is a good idea?

A misdirection in lieu of an actual rebuttal.

How quaint.

BalticBlues

RIP, Templar. ZOS: Class Change token from Templer to Warden please.
Otherwise, I will probably not buy the expansion. My Templars is rich with 3 years of max skills in everything, Skyshards, Lore Books, Undaunted, PvP etc. etc. No way I will do all of this once again for a new baby Warden.

Firerock2

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Deltia can't save us now. And to be honest, I'm very: Conflicted, confused, and disappointed. This is the guy who went to ZOS HQ just like @FENGRUSH a few months back, and supposedly had worked with ZOS for these upcoming changes. They experienced these changes before we did, and returned to us talking about how they were pleased with what they saw. They were pleased at the fact that they got to work with ZOS on 'balancing'. And now that things have come to light, you think that they aren't happy with this? You think that they had no hand in this? N'ah fam'. I call foul play. And mind you, this is coming from someone who's been a HUGE Deltia and Feng' fan. I'd watch their content regularly. So n'ah, I'm not even hating.

So Ive seen this sentiment - and Id like to say.... everything youre seeing in these patch notes may not be what players tested. Players may or may not have tested certain systems and scenarios like BGs... as we were allowed to mention that. Did we test *these patch notes*?? Did we test... any of these? Were these patch notes put together as a result of feedback? To assume everything youre seeing today in the patch notes was what we tested months ago would be to assume theyve done nothing between then and now.

Its tough being bound by an NDA and not knowing what to really say here - but I think its pretty drastic to assume they brought in players and hand crafted an entire system change to all classes in a week and/or we tested that and this is what is being delivered to you guys months later and they were simply on vacation since then.

Why would I review the patch notes and have differing opinions on changes made if I made these changes?? Or knew of them??

You seemed to enjoy the Templar nerfs. Pretty clear to me

Peekachu99

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I like what ZOS is trying to do in shifting to make resources matter. I think that sentiment was shared from players like Deltia and I. How they go about it is another thing. Also, drastic changes to classes can be brutal, some can be good, some can be bad. It will take time to pan out.

I dont think all of these major class changes will hold. Im about 99% confident in that. They want to rock the boat and throw out changes now while they can see how people react and are able to test them. Then they will make a final pass on release and we will have to ride with that. Hopefully the final pass it pretty good and doesnt bury any class.

Theres no other time to test this thing on a wider playerbase. People that can test - test when you are able, and voice your feedback. Dont be painfully biased on things. Try to keep an open mind. Thats the best people can do for now IMO. Well see what lands in the end. Sometimes feedback gets ignored (COST POISONS). We do what we can. Deltia and I both would like to see progressive changes and its in our interests to see that happen.

Thanks. This is the post that should be copy/pasted into every apocalypse thread between now and release. Give the dust time to settle and see what 2nd and then final pass tuning is done.

P.S. Is it my correct understanding that BoL is now an AOE cone heal? I just gave a cursory read to the PTS notes, so I'd have to double-check. Still, that's kind of cool if that's the case.

It should be a bigger area than Combat Prayer though, or at least have a minor buff thrown in to make it competitive.

ParaNostram

Oh come on guys stop the freakin' doom saying, the balance changes make sense and hell the Devs even told us why they did things so maybe, MAYBE hold your horses on the condemnations? Good lord... I mean it is going to be an adjustment, ya'll are going to have to maybe build your builds a little more carefully and the game is going to be more challenging across the board but you know what? I welcome that! I welcome the decline of gankers in PvP. I applaud the nerfs to Constitution making not everyone run around in Black Rose all the time. I like that this game will actually require more skill, this is all good.

FENGRUSH

Firerock2 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Deltia can't save us now. And to be honest, I'm very: Conflicted, confused, and disappointed. This is the guy who went to ZOS HQ just like @FENGRUSH a few months back, and supposedly had worked with ZOS for these upcoming changes. They experienced these changes before we did, and returned to us talking about how they were pleased with what they saw. They were pleased at the fact that they got to work with ZOS on 'balancing'. And now that things have come to light, you think that they aren't happy with this? You think that they had no hand in this? N'ah fam'. I call foul play. And mind you, this is coming from someone who's been a HUGE Deltia and Feng' fan. I'd watch their content regularly. So n'ah, I'm not even hating.

So Ive seen this sentiment - and Id like to say.... everything youre seeing in these patch notes may not be what players tested. Players may or may not have tested certain systems and scenarios like BGs... as we were allowed to mention that. Did we test *these patch notes*?? Did we test... any of these? Were these patch notes put together as a result of feedback? To assume everything youre seeing today in the patch notes was what we tested months ago would be to assume theyve done nothing between then and now.

Its tough being bound by an NDA and not knowing what to really say here - but I think its pretty drastic to assume they brought in players and hand crafted an entire system change to all classes in a week and/or we tested that and this is what is being delivered to you guys months later and they were simply on vacation since then.

Why would I review the patch notes and have differing opinions on changes made if I made these changes?? Or knew of them??

You seemed to enjoy the Templar nerfs. Pretty clear to me

Was pretty upset about repent and shards - disagreed with them. That is a clear indication of enjoying templar nerfs?

Kay1

Don't worry guys everything is alright, you can sustain just fine doing 20 heavy attacks per rotation.

Kodrac

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

So you need someone to think for you? Lol I'd hate to see what you do for a living.

You want fries with that?

JahneeO

Why would anyone want someone to help?

Play the game and figure it out. What happened to actual gaming?

FENGRUSH

Peekachu99 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I like what ZOS is trying to do in shifting to make resources matter. I think that sentiment was shared from players like Deltia and I. How they go about it is another thing. Also, drastic changes to classes can be brutal, some can be good, some can be bad. It will take time to pan out.

I dont think all of these major class changes will hold. Im about 99% confident in that. They want to rock the boat and throw out changes now while they can see how people react and are able to test them. Then they will make a final pass on release and we will have to ride with that. Hopefully the final pass it pretty good and doesnt bury any class.

Theres no other time to test this thing on a wider playerbase. People that can test - test when you are able, and voice your feedback. Dont be painfully biased on things. Try to keep an open mind. Thats the best people can do for now IMO. Well see what lands in the end. Sometimes feedback gets ignored (COST POISONS). We do what we can. Deltia and I both would like to see progressive changes and its in our interests to see that happen.

Thanks. This is the post that should be copy/pasted into every apocalypse thread between now and release. Give the dust time to settle and see what 2nd and then final pass tuning is done.

P.S. Is it my correct understanding that BoL is now an AOE cone heal? I just gave a cursory read to the PTS notes, so I'd have to double-check. Still, that's kind of cool if that's the case.

It should be a bigger area than Combat Prayer though, or at least have a minor buff thrown in to make it competitive.

It seems that way - I actually like the concept of the change. It will require templars to play differently and be mindful when healing. Something that didnt exist with BOL in large groups. This allows players to utilize root against them effectively to cause an impact where they would normally just hold block and flood heals through it. If they outnumbered their enemies it was an easy win unless you could negate them.

Repent and shards - those are unique teamplay features I want to see MORE of in the game. I want those in the game.

Major mending on both templar and DK - serious changes. I think they both need to be revisited. Their thought process here is to keep those classes from having full uptime (same should apply to warden). They should allow these classes to play to the strength of those buffs and have them under conditions. EI: do <X> action and gain major mending for <Y> time. Something where it wont allow it to ALWAYS be up. That would be a better approach. The DK change basically was in line with this and only while shield was up. Problem is, shield is up for such a short window that this invalidates it.

Koensol

Peekachu99 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I like what ZOS is trying to do in shifting to make resources matter. I think that sentiment was shared from players like Deltia and I. How they go about it is another thing. Also, drastic changes to classes can be brutal, some can be good, some can be bad. It will take time to pan out.

I dont think all of these major class changes will hold. Im about 99% confident in that. They want to rock the boat and throw out changes now while they can see how people react and are able to test them. Then they will make a final pass on release and we will have to ride with that. Hopefully the final pass it pretty good and doesnt bury any class.

Theres no other time to test this thing on a wider playerbase. People that can test - test when you are able, and voice your feedback. Dont be painfully biased on things. Try to keep an open mind. Thats the best people can do for now IMO. Well see what lands in the end. Sometimes feedback gets ignored (COST POISONS). We do what we can. Deltia and I both would like to see progressive changes and its in our interests to see that happen.

Thanks. This is the post that should be copy/pasted into every apocalypse thread between now and release. Give the dust time to settle and see what 2nd and then final pass tuning is done.

P.S. Is it my correct understanding that BoL is now an AOE cone heal? I just gave a cursory read to the PTS notes, so I'd have to double-check. Still, that's kind of cool if that's the case.

It should be a bigger area than Combat Prayer though, or at least have a minor buff thrown in to make it competitive.

It would literally cost less time to check the patch notes than to type this response. It now functions in a 180 degrees fashion in stead of 360 degrees. The rest of the ability remains as is.

Kodrac

The Repentance change sucks and if any change gets reversed I bet it'll be that one. But Templar being THE ONLY healer accepted in trials was what got them nerfed.

I made a Templar solely for the purpose of healing, but mainly because using the resto staffs skills on other classes got boring. I wanted more skills to choose from and Templar gave me that. I think that's what they need to address more than nerfing what Templar has. Give the other classes better skills for healing. There's plenty of useless skills in every class' trees to choose from to redesign. This would apply to tanking too.

Zardayne

Damn and I thought the snowflakes were just on my nightly news..these tear stained forums are getting ridiculous...

Tan9oSuccka

I personally think people like Deltia are bad for the game.

People need to make their own builds, and not follow the meta cheese someone else came up with.

I will continue using my Nord Magicka Templar.

Pallio

Well we don't all have 12hrs a day to test every single thing, sadly I don't imagine many of these folks will waste their time in ESO anymore.

SnubbS

I actually don't think I've ever had more respect for Deltia than I do right now. He makes decent money from this game and has just proven that he isn't beholden to just kneel at the feet of ZoS' every whim to stay in good standing with them. To be honest, I think that's why Fengrush became so popular as well.

Integral1900

What's with the panic, I read the notes, especially the physical attacks change, concluded that for my particular dk it's basically a massive heavy attack buff, smiled, read them again to be sure, then went to work content

Seriousely, I love the way forums declare Armageddon is coming every patch, well it ain't happened yet baby

Tholian1

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I personally think people like Deltia are bad for the game.

People need to make their own builds, and not follow the meta cheese someone else came up with.

I will continue using my Nord Magicka Templar.

I just want to play and enjoy the game. I'm grateful for people like Deltia that do all the number crunching and putting together optimal builds so I can simply play the game without too much frustration.

kalimar44

*** Deltia!!!! I think these streamers are a joke. I wouldn't support some lazy ass player setting there telling me how to play a *** game.

rotaugen454

The Game is "Play how you want", you just won't be as effective. Much like in real life, where you can drop out of school, develop a drinking problem, and refuse to work instead of making smart design choices in your life. I suppose that I should feel bad about chasing real life meta too.

Pallio

Exactly, you can be "the dude" and enjoy playing however you want.

Or figure out the most effective gear/skills/rotation etc. And do the really hard stuff.

clocksstoppe

kalimar44 wrote: »

*** Deltia!!!! I think these streamers are a joke. I wouldn't support some lazy ass player setting there telling me how to play a *** game.

Oh boy let me guess you are the breton nightblade bow dd with heavy armor that i get on my veteran pledges and you "play how you want". Playing how you want meaning you have 5k dps that is.

Instead of appreciating Deltia and others making an effort into showing people how to get good, you just hate them due to jealousy.

Rohamad_Ali

Deltia wrote: »

https://youtu.be/6yZxFVvCiXU

Santa Maria ! Deltia tosses in the towel say it is not so !

Elsonso

Deltia's video was quite entertaining, but I doubt that this will be exactly the case on June 6, when Morrowind rolls out. I side with Fengrush on this in thinking that ZOS has hard changes, things that they feel that they need to do, and soft changes, things that look good but need to be tested before making the final decision. PTS is where those soft changes get confirmed or reversed. Play testing on PTS, so that they can collect metrics and compare them to Live, and their own internal testing, will decide the final outcome.

It is what I would do.

sneakymitchell

He is busy during his biceps and quads.

ofSunhold

Kay1 wrote: »

Don't worry guys everything is alright, you can sustain just fine doing 20 heavy attacks per rotation.

Got to get my magicka topped up so I can throw that expensive emergency heal to the teammate the game has just decided is half a meter out of my 'cone'. Woot!