Deltia help us!

Shad0wfire99 · April 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I personally think people like Deltia are bad for the game.

People need to make their own builds, and not follow the meta cheese someone else came up with.

I will continue using my Nord Magicka Templar.

Deltia isn't bad for the game, and, quite frankly, only 1 or 2 of his builds have ever been considered "meta" at any point. Even then, the meta isn't the meta because someone made a build video out of it. It's the meta because it's the most effective for the task at hand. You keep using that garbo Templar, and I'll keep making sure that no builds like that are ever in any raid group I run with.

kalimar44 · April 2017

AZ3V3D0 · April 2017

I'm just here to see if anyone will clarify why "LOL" is 11 words from two pages ago.

Militan1404 · April 2017

AZ3V3D0 wrote: »

I'm just here to see if anyone will clarify why "LOL" is 11 words from two pages ago.

Thats a hard one.. need to go think about that one for some time

Pallio · April 2017

Did Bengi

lordrichter wrote: »

Deltia's video was quite entertaining, but I doubt that this will be exactly the case on June 6, when Morrowind rolls out. I side with Fengrush on this in thinking that ZOS has hard changes, things that they feel that they need to do, and soft changes, things that look good but need to be tested before making the final decision. PTS is where those soft changes get confirmed or reversed. Play testing on PTS, so that they can collect metrics and compare them to Live, and their own internal testing, will decide the final outcome.

It is what I would do.

You realize all Feng rush has ever are about is improving his pvp stam sorc right, if you play pvp stam sorc then sure, no big deal in this patch.

kalimar44 · April 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

kalimar44 wrote: »

*** Deltia!!!! I think these streamers are a joke. I wouldn't support some lazy ass player setting there telling me how to play a *** game.

Oh boy let me guess you are the breton nightblade bow dd with heavy armor that i get on my veteran pledges and you "play how you want". Playing how you want meaning you have 5k dps that is.

Instead of appreciating Deltia and others making an effort into showing people how to get good, you just hate them due to jealousy.

JEALOUSY!!!, LOL
I've been gaming more years than most of you have been alive. I just think it's funny as hell that people can't learn to play on there own and they will donate to these streamers(suckers). People today need there hand held and there ego stroked or they can't handle it.

NinthPrince64 · April 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

One word "LOL"

LOL is kinda, 11 words, you know.

3 words..... 12 letters

no. 11 words

Binary? Really? Next you'll whip out that old saw, "There's 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't".

faerigirl · April 2017

kalimar44 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

kalimar44 wrote: »

*** Deltia!!!! I think these streamers are a joke. I wouldn't support some lazy ass player setting there telling me how to play a *** game.

Oh boy let me guess you are the breton nightblade bow dd with heavy armor that i get on my veteran pledges and you "play how you want". Playing how you want meaning you have 5k dps that is.

Instead of appreciating Deltia and others making an effort into showing people how to get good, you just hate them due to jealousy.

JEALOUSY!!!, LOL
I've been gaming more years than most of you have been alive. I just think it's funny as hell that people can't learn to play on there own and they will donate to these streamers(suckers). People today need there hand held and there ego stroked or they can't handle it.

Well OK then you win. The other people that think Deltia is a good dude for putting all that info out there are nothing but milk drinking losers.

Feel better?

Deltia, thanks for all the help!

CromulentForumID · April 2017

kalimar44 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

kalimar44 wrote: »

*** Deltia!!!! I think these streamers are a joke. I wouldn't support some lazy ass player setting there telling me how to play a *** game.

Oh boy let me guess you are the breton nightblade bow dd with heavy armor that i get on my veteran pledges and you "play how you want". Playing how you want meaning you have 5k dps that is.

Instead of appreciating Deltia and others making an effort into showing people how to get good, you just hate them due to jealousy.

JEALOUSY!!!, LOL
I've been gaming more years than most of you have been alive. I just think it's funny as hell that people can't learn to play on there own and they will donate to these streamers(suckers). People today need there hand held and there ego stroked or they can't handle it.

I am all for having people learn for themselves, but really, without the forums and/or streamers, how would you ever learn some of the detail behind the combat mechanics?

How would you know if Jabs are DoT or not? Could you list all of the attacks that do magic damage? Would you be able to calculate divines versus infused with any kind of accuracy? Figure out a decent time to stop adding Champion Points in a certain area?

This game does a pretty poor job of teaching the game to players while they are playing.

SublimeSparo · April 2017

AZ3V3D0 wrote: »

I'm just here to see if anyone will clarify why "LOL" is 11 words from two pages ago.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha?

Goshua · April 2017

Templars will be fine I'm sure.

Deltia has been spammed with with breath of real life, good game sir.

Peekachu99 · April 2017

Koensol wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I like what ZOS is trying to do in shifting to make resources matter. I think that sentiment was shared from players like Deltia and I. How they go about it is another thing. Also, drastic changes to classes can be brutal, some can be good, some can be bad. It will take time to pan out.

I dont think all of these major class changes will hold. Im about 99% confident in that. They want to rock the boat and throw out changes now while they can see how people react and are able to test them. Then they will make a final pass on release and we will have to ride with that. Hopefully the final pass it pretty good and doesnt bury any class.

Theres no other time to test this thing on a wider playerbase. People that can test - test when you are able, and voice your feedback. Dont be painfully biased on things. Try to keep an open mind. Thats the best people can do for now IMO. Well see what lands in the end. Sometimes feedback gets ignored (COST POISONS). We do what we can. Deltia and I both would like to see progressive changes and its in our interests to see that happen.

Thanks. This is the post that should be copy/pasted into every apocalypse thread between now and release. Give the dust time to settle and see what 2nd and then final pass tuning is done.

P.S. Is it my correct understanding that BoL is now an AOE cone heal? I just gave a cursory read to the PTS notes, so I'd have to double-check. Still, that's kind of cool if that's the case.

It should be a bigger area than Combat Prayer though, or at least have a minor buff thrown in to make it competitive.

It would literally cost less time to check the patch notes than to type this response. It now functions in a 180 degrees fashion in stead of 360 degrees. The rest of the ability remains as is.

I'm at work, on my phone, so I don't have the luxury of searching through patch notes. Thanks for begrudgingly answering the question anyway. I think many of us who aren't in the PTS need to see these changes live. I have no idea if that's better or worse, or if it just requires a bit more situational awareness (not a bad thing at all) in a live environment.

Elsonso · April 2017

Pallio wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Deltia's video was quite entertaining, but I doubt that this will be exactly the case on June 6, when Morrowind rolls out. I side with Fengrush on this in thinking that ZOS has hard changes, things that they feel that they need to do, and soft changes, things that look good but need to be tested before making the final decision. PTS is where those soft changes get confirmed or reversed. Play testing on PTS, so that they can collect metrics and compare them to Live, and their own internal testing, will decide the final outcome.

It is what I would do.

You realize all Feng rush has ever are about is improving his pvp stam sorc right, if you play pvp stam sorc then sure, no big deal in this patch.

I really don't care what Fengrush plays or how he plays it. Not sure how it matters. What he said about rocking the boat has merit. If you are going to make wild changes, and then back away from them, this is the time to do it. I won't go as far as to say they are being deliberately antagonistic, but getting people out of their comfort zone is not a bad thing.

Likewise, the direction ZOS is taking the game is right. All my builds include a heavy dose pf regen and cost reduction, and when I am playing a character that does not have access to that, I can really tell the difference. Easy mode vs challenging game play.

Ron_Burgundy_79 · April 2017

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I like what ZOS is trying to do in shifting to make resources matter. I think that sentiment was shared from players like Deltia and I. How they go about it is another thing. Also, drastic changes to classes can be brutal, some can be good, some can be bad. It will take time to pan out.

I dont think all of these major class changes will hold. Im about 99% confident in that. They want to rock the boat and throw out changes now while they can see how people react and are able to test them. Then they will make a final pass on release and we will have to ride with that. Hopefully the final pass it pretty good and doesnt bury any class.

Theres no other time to test this thing on a wider playerbase. People that can test - test when you are able, and voice your feedback. Dont be painfully biased on things. Try to keep an open mind. Thats the best people can do for now IMO. Well see what lands in the end. Sometimes feedback gets ignored (COST POISONS). We do what we can. Deltia and I both would like to see progressive changes and its in our interests to see that happen.

Thanks. This is the post that should be copy/pasted into every apocalypse thread between now and release. Give the dust time to settle and see what 2nd and then final pass tuning is done.

P.S. Is it my correct understanding that BoL is now an AOE cone heal? I just gave a cursory read to the PTS notes, so I'd have to double-check. Still, that's kind of cool if that's the case.

It should be a bigger area than Combat Prayer though, or at least have a minor buff thrown in to make it competitive.

It seems that way - I actually like the concept of the change. It will require templars to play differently and be mindful when healing. Something that didnt exist with BOL in large groups. This allows players to utilize root against them effectively to cause an impact where they would normally just hold block and flood heals through it. If they outnumbered their enemies it was an easy win unless you could negate them.

Repent and shards - those are unique teamplay features I want to see MORE of in the game. I want those in the game.

Major mending on both templar and DK - serious changes. I think they both need to be revisited. Their thought process here is to keep those classes from having full uptime (same should apply to warden). They should allow these classes to play to the strength of those buffs and have them under conditions. EI: do <X> action and gain major mending for <Y> time. Something where it wont allow it to ALWAYS be up. That would be a better approach. The DK change basically was in line with this and only while shield was up. Problem is, shield is up for such a short window that this invalidates it.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with pretty much everything you said. Hell has frozen over.

Tan9oSuccka · April 2017

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I personally think people like Deltia are bad for the game.

People need to make their own builds, and not follow the meta cheese someone else came up with.

I will continue using my Nord Magicka Templar.

Deltia isn't bad for the game, and, quite frankly, only 1 or 2 of his builds have ever been considered "meta" at any point. Even then, the meta isn't the meta because someone made a build video out of it. It's the meta because it's the most effective for the task at hand. You keep using that garbo Templar, and I'll keep making sure that no builds like that are ever in any raid group I run with.

Spoken like a true brain dead, meta following streamer groupie.

Also, ITG is not flattering. Grow up.

Shad0wfire99 · April 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I personally think people like Deltia are bad for the game.

People need to make their own builds, and not follow the meta cheese someone else came up with.

I will continue using my Nord Magicka Templar.

Deltia isn't bad for the game, and, quite frankly, only 1 or 2 of his builds have ever been considered "meta" at any point. Even then, the meta isn't the meta because someone made a build video out of it. It's the meta because it's the most effective for the task at hand. You keep using that garbo Templar, and I'll keep making sure that no builds like that are ever in any raid group I run with.

Spoken like a true brain dead, meta following streamer groupie.

Also, ITG is not flattering. Grow up.

Spoken like a guy who has a Nord Templar "Questing Build." L2P

sneakymitchell · April 2017

Deltia wrote: »

https://youtu.be/6yZxFVvCiXU

It's funny that u say DK at the end only when saying all the 4 classes. It looks like u are hinting to pvp sides of things if I'm correct.

texassob · April 2017

Thanks for giving your insight on the situation @FENGRUSH. There is plenty of times ive agreed with your stance on things and also just as many that i have disagreed with. I have to say this time i agree with all that your saying and hope you are right about changes being made after its been tested and revised. Change is good but i think Zos goes too drastic on changes all at one time instead of a little here and a little there.

Tan9oSuccka · April 2017

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I personally think people like Deltia are bad for the game.

People need to make their own builds, and not follow the meta cheese someone else came up with.

I will continue using my Nord Magicka Templar.

Deltia isn't bad for the game, and, quite frankly, only 1 or 2 of his builds have ever been considered "meta" at any point. Even then, the meta isn't the meta because someone made a build video out of it. It's the meta because it's the most effective for the task at hand. You keep using that garbo Templar, and I'll keep making sure that no builds like that are ever in any raid group I run with.

Spoken like a true brain dead, meta following streamer groupie.

Also, ITG is not flattering. Grow up.

Spoken like a guy who has a Nord Templar "Questing Build."

She's heals baddies like you through Vet runs daily.

That extra 2K Magicka that a High Elf or Breton has really makes or breaks the group.

*rolls eyes*

Shad0wfire99 · April 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I personally think people like Deltia are bad for the game.

People need to make their own builds, and not follow the meta cheese someone else came up with.

I will continue using my Nord Magicka Templar.

Deltia isn't bad for the game, and, quite frankly, only 1 or 2 of his builds have ever been considered "meta" at any point. Even then, the meta isn't the meta because someone made a build video out of it. It's the meta because it's the most effective for the task at hand. You keep using that garbo Templar, and I'll keep making sure that no builds like that are ever in any raid group I run with.

Spoken like a true brain dead, meta following streamer groupie.

Also, ITG is not flattering. Grow up.

Spoken like a guy who has a Nord Templar "Questing Build."

She's heals baddies like you through Vet runs daily.

That extra 2K Magicka that a High Elf or Breton has really makes or breaks the group.

*rolls eyes*

Baddies like me? lol Have fun in those pug dungeons, scrub.

Tan9oSuccka · April 2017

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I personally think people like Deltia are bad for the game.

People need to make their own builds, and not follow the meta cheese someone else came up with.

I will continue using my Nord Magicka Templar.

Deltia isn't bad for the game, and, quite frankly, only 1 or 2 of his builds have ever been considered "meta" at any point. Even then, the meta isn't the meta because someone made a build video out of it. It's the meta because it's the most effective for the task at hand. You keep using that garbo Templar, and I'll keep making sure that no builds like that are ever in any raid group I run with.

Spoken like a true brain dead, meta following streamer groupie.

Also, ITG is not flattering. Grow up.

Spoken like a guy who has a Nord Templar "Questing Build."

She's heals baddies like you through Vet runs daily.

That extra 2K Magicka that a High Elf or Breton has really makes or breaks the group.

*rolls eyes*

Baddies like me? lol Have fun in those pug dungeons, scrub.

I will. I enjoy carrying even baddies and internet tough guys (like you) through Vet content.

Pallio · April 2017

Yikes "Play as you want" vs. "Figure out how to be most effective"

Although you are both right, I have the funco Breton with a bow bobble head, sometimes I see it as a joke, sometime I see it as a lifestyle. Whatever, do it your way, unless you are in my raid group, then you have to do it my way.

ThePaleItalian · April 2017

AZ3V3D0 wrote: »

I'm just here to see if anyone will clarify why "LOL" is 11 words from two pages ago.

laugh out loud..

I will wait

DragonBound · April 2017

Turelus wrote: »

The butthurt in this one is strong.

As per my other thread, go actually play the PTS and try it, do some theory crafting and stop proclaiming the death of the game because of some paragraths.

If you want to stop the changes, actually try and do something to convince ZOS rather than just posting trash on the forums (that's my job).

And your not? LOL!!!!

DragonBound · April 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

The butthurt in this one is strong.

As per my other thread, go actually play the PTS and try it, do some theory crafting and stop proclaiming the death of the game because of some paragraths.

If you want to stop the changes, actually try and do something to convince ZOS rather than just posting trash on the forums (that's my job).

LOL, you actually think feedback matters, have you been here the last few patches..

It has more weight than QQ threads with no basis.

Funny considering since I played the game I see way more basis then qq the problem is ignorant people like yourself will read only a part of it and not see the information they layout so they assume the qq, the hypocritical nonsense is strong in this one.

Pallio · April 2017

Yeah I LOL at his belief that feedback matters.

Ch4mpTW · April 2017

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

AZ3V3D0 wrote: »

I'm just here to see if anyone will clarify why "LOL" is 11 words from two pages ago.

laugh out loud..

I will wait

Isn't that 3 words, and 12 letters? With 2 spaces, as a total of 14 characters used? While "LOL" is an abbreviation utilizing 3 letters?

DMuehlhausen · April 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

The Repentance change sucks and if any change gets reversed I bet it'll be that one. But Templar being THE ONLY healer accepted in trials was what got them nerfed.

I made a Templar solely for the purpose of healing, but mainly because using the resto staffs skills on other classes got boring. I wanted more skills to choose from and Templar gave me that. I think that's what they need to address more than nerfing what Templar has. Give the other classes better skills for healing. There's plenty of useless skills in every class' trees to choose from to redesign. This would apply to tanking too.

Make BoL a Resto staff skill, boom all classes can now be healers more effectively

Karivaa · April 2017

Did you watch his latest video? RIP.

MasterSpatula · April 2017

Browiseth wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Exactly my point.

But also consider: 90%+ of the game population is Casual gamers who don't chase and have no interest in chasing the Meta or FotM builds.

What do these changes and soul-crushing nerf to sustain do to them?

They won't have any inclination to "adapt" like the people who DO chase the MEta will do. They'll just see the game becoming vastly more difficult overnight, and they'll simply lose their desire to play.

These changes might not be so bad to the people on the Forums who chase that Meta, but to everyone else...

@Uriel_Nocturne i'm appauled you think so lowly of a casual player's attention span

if they play so casually as you imply, these changes likely won't matter to them with how patheticically easy the level of content they must partake in is to keep them feeling rewarded

Leaving aside the actual content of the conversation for just a paragraph here, I just want to point out how funny it is that @Browiseth gets on @Uriel_Nocturne 's case for insulting casuals then proceeds to rather nastily insult casuals.

I consider myself a "hardcore casual." I still enjoy overland content and I also enjoy stuff that's harder. I don't chase the meta, I couldn't care less about being on any leaderboards, and grinding for BiS sounds like a cruel joke to me. I play to do whatever content I have the chance to do and enjoy myself doing it.

I know this much: "Filthy casuals" who actually find base-game delves fun and actually consider Public Dungeons challenging may not find fights much harder, but they will notice they're spending more time waiting for resources to come back between fights. More time waiting, less time having fun. And casuals' money helps keep the servers running.