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Deltia help us!
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
If that's the case the nerfs to sustain should have little to no affect on you.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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SO, you're OK with ZOS forcing every Magicka character into playing the nearly exact same build? Because that's all these changes foster.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
@Uriel_Nocturne "play how you want to play" doesn't mean "that build you made that doesn't make conventional sense in a traditional video game will perform just as well as the best playstyles"
it means you can dual wield like a rogue on a mage if you want to, but it's not entirely intended and should be treated as such
It doesn't matter what class you play after these changes. If you're Magicka, you use a staff. If you're Stamina, you use a two-hand weapon.
Yeah, sure... great fun... really "diverse".
twitch.tv/vampire_nox
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✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Check Deltia twitter, he is on rage with these nerfs!
He is ESO legend player!
I have learnt more from Deltia than from anybody else in this game. He loves the game, he understands it in every aspect, and he has an open mind for all players, fans and devs. This is what he says on Twitter to the changes:
This is exactly how I feel. We played three years - to finally get a ***-up Templar?Deltia wrote:I've been a fanboi for a long time, but *** this balance.
And no my account isn't hacked... My Templar Funeral --
This is my "favorite": -50% BOL success (180 degrees instead of 360) What did the devs smoke? How do you 180-degree-emergeny-heal highly dynamical bosses as Urata Hovantud or the Ash Titan with all their companions around in vCoA? My Healer Sorc already feels more powerful than my Templar (except in Trials), but if this PTS patch will go live, the Templar will be dead. Am I glad that I did not order the expansion yet...
Edited by BalticBlues on April 18, 2017 3:15PM5 -
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✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
SO, you're OK with ZOS forcing every Magicka character into playing the nearly exact same build? Because that's all these changes foster.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
@Uriel_Nocturne "play how you want to play" doesn't mean "that build you made that doesn't make conventional sense in a traditional video game will perform just as well as the best playstyles"
it means you can dual wield like a rogue on a mage if you want to, but it's not entirely intended and should be treated as such
It doesn't matter what class you play after these changes. If you're Magicka, you use a staff. If you're Stamina, you use a two-hand weapon.
Yeah, sure... great fun... really "diverse".
@Uriel_Nocturne there's four (soon to be five) different classes for a reason
of course, i'm forgetting the fact that most eso players can't see past the bridge of their own nose
the metaphorical nose being their class, that isEdited by Browiseth on April 18, 2017 3:13PMskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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And the issue will still remain.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
SO, you're OK with ZOS forcing every Magicka character into playing the nearly exact same build? Because that's all these changes foster.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
@Uriel_Nocturne "play how you want to play" doesn't mean "that build you made that doesn't make conventional sense in a traditional video game will perform just as well as the best playstyles"
it means you can dual wield like a rogue on a mage if you want to, but it's not entirely intended and should be treated as such
It doesn't matter what class you play after these changes. If you're Magicka, you use a staff. If you're Stamina, you use a two-hand weapon.
Yeah, sure... great fun... really "diverse".
@Uriel_Nocturne there's four (soon to be five) different classes for a reason
Even when the Warden is added in;
If you're a Magicka Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Staff and the exact same gear.
If you're a Stamina Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Two-hand and the exact same gear.
Diversity still dies.
twitch.tv/vampire_nox
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
SO, you're OK with ZOS forcing every Magicka character into playing the nearly exact same build? Because that's all these changes foster.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
@Uriel_Nocturne "play how you want to play" doesn't mean "that build you made that doesn't make conventional sense in a traditional video game will perform just as well as the best playstyles"
it means you can dual wield like a rogue on a mage if you want to, but it's not entirely intended and should be treated as such
It doesn't matter what class you play after these changes. If you're Magicka, you use a staff. If you're Stamina, you use a two-hand weapon.
Yeah, sure... great fun... really "diverse".
@Uriel_Nocturne there's four (soon to be five) different classes for a reason
of course, i'm forgetting the fact that most eso players can't see past the bridge of their own nose
the metaphorical nose being their class, that is
And three races! Don't forget that.0 -
Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And the issue will still remain.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
SO, you're OK with ZOS forcing every Magicka character into playing the nearly exact same build? Because that's all these changes foster.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
@Uriel_Nocturne "play how you want to play" doesn't mean "that build you made that doesn't make conventional sense in a traditional video game will perform just as well as the best playstyles"
it means you can dual wield like a rogue on a mage if you want to, but it's not entirely intended and should be treated as such
It doesn't matter what class you play after these changes. If you're Magicka, you use a staff. If you're Stamina, you use a two-hand weapon.
Yeah, sure... great fun... really "diverse".
@Uriel_Nocturne there's four (soon to be five) different classes for a reason
Even when the Warden is added in;
If you're a Magicka Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Staff and the exact same gear.
If you're a Stamina Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Two-hand and the exact same gear.
Diversity still dies.
@Uriel_Nocturne there was never any diversity to begin with mate, and don't pretend that there was
the metagame is an absence of diversity by natureEdited by Browiseth on April 18, 2017 3:19PMskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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✭Remember when the forum was so upset that streamers went to visit ZOS and they were going to make the game so bad..
Now you are crying for those same streams to save you and even those streamers are upset.
This community is so fickle. *grabs popcorn* Thank you for making my day go by faster.Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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✭✭✭✭✭To be fair @Uriel_Nocturne they have bashed Dual Wield on Mag users patch after patch from the cost increases with DB, through to less damage in U13, they have it in for it as a concept.
Problem is a noisy few used to moan on here that Sorc's shouldn't have swords. and thus ZOS have driven us to the big wands. I've hung onto DW tho, nerf after nerf and i'm gunna try to carry on.Xbox One | EU | EP
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Exactly my point.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And the issue will still remain.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
SO, you're OK with ZOS forcing every Magicka character into playing the nearly exact same build? Because that's all these changes foster.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
@Uriel_Nocturne "play how you want to play" doesn't mean "that build you made that doesn't make conventional sense in a traditional video game will perform just as well as the best playstyles"
it means you can dual wield like a rogue on a mage if you want to, but it's not entirely intended and should be treated as such
It doesn't matter what class you play after these changes. If you're Magicka, you use a staff. If you're Stamina, you use a two-hand weapon.
Yeah, sure... great fun... really "diverse".
@Uriel_Nocturne there's four (soon to be five) different classes for a reason
Even when the Warden is added in;
If you're a Magicka Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Staff and the exact same gear.
If you're a Stamina Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Two-hand and the exact same gear.
Diversity still dies.
@Uriel_Nocturne there was never any diversity to begin with mate, and don't pretend that there was
the metagame is an absence of diversity by nature
But also consider: 90%+ of the game population is Casual gamers who don't chase and have no interest in chasing the Meta or FotM builds.
What do these changes and soul-crushing nerf to sustain do to them?
They won't have any inclination to "adapt" like the people who DO chase the MEta will do. They'll just see the game becoming vastly more difficult overnight, and they'll simply lose their desire to play.
These changes might not be so bad to the people on the Forums who chase that Meta, but to everyone else...
twitch.tv/vampire_nox
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I understand you, I do.To be fair @Uriel_Nocturne they have bashed Dual Wield on Mag users patch after patch from the cost increases with DB, through to less damage in U13, they have it in for it as a concept.
Problem is a noisy few used to moan on here that Sorc's shouldn't have swords. and thus ZOS have driven us to the big wands. I've hung onto DW tho, nerf after nerf and i'm gunna try to carry on.
I've been sticking with my Dual-wield MagPlar for three years. So far, I've found ways to make it work, even though my sustain and damage has dropped off a cliff with every patch and update.
I'm going to try as well, but I think that these changes are going to be insurmountable for dual-wield mag users. They're going to be forced to move to a Staff... there won't be any other option.
twitch.tv/vampire_nox
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Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Exactly my point.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And the issue will still remain.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
SO, you're OK with ZOS forcing every Magicka character into playing the nearly exact same build? Because that's all these changes foster.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
@Uriel_Nocturne "play how you want to play" doesn't mean "that build you made that doesn't make conventional sense in a traditional video game will perform just as well as the best playstyles"
it means you can dual wield like a rogue on a mage if you want to, but it's not entirely intended and should be treated as such
It doesn't matter what class you play after these changes. If you're Magicka, you use a staff. If you're Stamina, you use a two-hand weapon.
Yeah, sure... great fun... really "diverse".
@Uriel_Nocturne there's four (soon to be five) different classes for a reason
Even when the Warden is added in;
If you're a Magicka Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Staff and the exact same gear.
If you're a Stamina Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Two-hand and the exact same gear.
Diversity still dies.
@Uriel_Nocturne there was never any diversity to begin with mate, and don't pretend that there was
the metagame is an absence of diversity by nature
But also consider: 90%+ of the game population is Casual gamers who don't chase and have no interest in chasing the Meta or FotM builds.
What do these changes and soul-crushing nerf to sustain do to them?
They won't have any inclination to "adapt" like the people who DO chase the MEta will do. They'll just see the game becoming vastly more difficult overnight, and they'll simply lose their desire to play.
These changes might not be so bad to the people on the Forums who chase that Meta, but to everyone else...
@Uriel_Nocturne i'm appauled you think so lowly of a casual player's attention span
if they play so casually as you imply, these changes likely won't matter to them with how patheticically easy the level of content they must partake in is to keep them feeling rewardedskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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✭✭✭✭✭@Deltia can't save us now. And to be honest, I'm very: Conflicted, confused, and disappointed. This is the guy who went to ZOS HQ just like @FENGRUSH a few months back, and supposedly had worked with ZOS for these upcoming changes. They experienced these changes before we did, and returned to us talking about how they were pleased with what they saw. They were pleased at the fact that they got to work with ZOS on 'balancing'. And now that things have come to light, you think that they aren't happy with this? You think that they had no hand in this? N'ah fam'. I call foul play. And mind you, this is coming from someone who's been a HUGE Deltia and Feng' fan. I'd watch their content regularly. So n'ah, I'm not even hating.
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Well, we'll just have to wait and see what the destruction of sustain does to the casual mentality.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Exactly my point.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And the issue will still remain.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
SO, you're OK with ZOS forcing every Magicka character into playing the nearly exact same build? Because that's all these changes foster.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
@Uriel_Nocturne "play how you want to play" doesn't mean "that build you made that doesn't make conventional sense in a traditional video game will perform just as well as the best playstyles"
it means you can dual wield like a rogue on a mage if you want to, but it's not entirely intended and should be treated as such
It doesn't matter what class you play after these changes. If you're Magicka, you use a staff. If you're Stamina, you use a two-hand weapon.
Yeah, sure... great fun... really "diverse".
@Uriel_Nocturne there's four (soon to be five) different classes for a reason
Even when the Warden is added in;
If you're a Magicka Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Staff and the exact same gear.
If you're a Stamina Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Two-hand and the exact same gear.
Diversity still dies.
@Uriel_Nocturne there was never any diversity to begin with mate, and don't pretend that there was
the metagame is an absence of diversity by nature
But also consider: 90%+ of the game population is Casual gamers who don't chase and have no interest in chasing the Meta or FotM builds.
What do these changes and soul-crushing nerf to sustain do to them?
They won't have any inclination to "adapt" like the people who DO chase the MEta will do. They'll just see the game becoming vastly more difficult overnight, and they'll simply lose their desire to play.
These changes might not be so bad to the people on the Forums who chase that Meta, but to everyone else...
@Uriel_Nocturne i'm appauled you think so lowly of a casual player's attention span
if they play so casually as you imply, these changes likely won't matter to them with how patheticically easy the level of content they must partake in is to keep them feeling rewarded
IMO, I don't think it will do anything good for the reputation of the game.
But, having your own opinion on the Forums seems to be equivalent to high treason, so feel free to disregard it if you wish.
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✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Exactly my point.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And the issue will still remain.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
SO, you're OK with ZOS forcing every Magicka character into playing the nearly exact same build? Because that's all these changes foster.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I dual wield for the bump in my damage numbers.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
@Uriel_Nocturne wait magicka characters are encouraged to use the mage weapons
whaaaaaaaaaat
when did this even become a problem
I like the way that plays for my magicka templar, and it's the build I have had since I created a Templar three years ago.
Now? Now it works vastly against me.
I don't chase the "Meta". I don't grind and scrounge for the BiS monster drops, nor do I have an interest in Trials, vMA, or anything like that.
But now a character that I have loved and played with for three full years is going to become a hindrance (and nigh unplayable) unless I play him like a Sorcerer.
That is where my post comes from. This patch and the changes coming with it are killing player build diversity in favor of trying to pidgeon-hole every player into following the BiS-FotM-build-meta. For a game that pimps out "player diversity" as much as the Devs do, they're sure putting a lot of work into killing off player build diversity.
@Uriel_Nocturne "play how you want to play" doesn't mean "that build you made that doesn't make conventional sense in a traditional video game will perform just as well as the best playstyles"
it means you can dual wield like a rogue on a mage if you want to, but it's not entirely intended and should be treated as such
It doesn't matter what class you play after these changes. If you're Magicka, you use a staff. If you're Stamina, you use a two-hand weapon.
Yeah, sure... great fun... really "diverse".
@Uriel_Nocturne there's four (soon to be five) different classes for a reason
Even when the Warden is added in;
If you're a Magicka Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Staff and the exact same gear.
If you're a Stamina Warden (or any other class), you MUST use a Two-hand and the exact same gear.
Diversity still dies.
@Uriel_Nocturne there was never any diversity to begin with mate, and don't pretend that there was
the metagame is an absence of diversity by nature
But also consider: 90%+ of the game population is Casual gamers who don't chase and have no interest in chasing the Meta or FotM builds.
What do these changes and soul-crushing nerf to sustain do to them?
They won't have any inclination to "adapt" like the people who DO chase the MEta will do. They'll just see the game becoming vastly more difficult overnight, and they'll simply lose their desire to play.
These changes might not be so bad to the people on the Forums who chase that Meta, but to everyone else...
@Uriel_Nocturne i'm appauled you think so lowly of a casual player's attention span
if they play so casually as you imply, these changes likely won't matter to them with how patheticically easy the level of content they must partake in is to keep them feeling rewarded
But, having your own opinion on the Forums seems to be equivalent to high treason, so feel free to disregard it if you wish.
that works both ways i'm afraid, as i have my own opinion and could say that line as passively aggresive as you do and achieve the same resultskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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✭Listen, I like Deltia and respect what he has done for the community. However, I completely disagree with him about this is the "death of the Templar". The class has held a monopoly on the healing role for far too long. Yes, the class is gutted and I feel for players like him who play templars. However the changes and nerfs to the class are long over due. On top of that, the class still has the best toolkit in the game for healers. Give DK,NB, Sorc healers a chance to perform up to their standards.3 -
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✭✭✭✭@Deltia can't save us now. And to be honest, I'm very: Conflicted, confused, and disappointed. This is the guy who went to ZOS HQ just like @FENGRUSH a few months back, and supposedly had worked with ZOS for these upcoming changes. They experienced these changes before we did, and returned to us talking about how they were pleased with what they saw. They were pleased at the fact that they got to work with ZOS on 'balancing'. And now that things have come to light, you think that they aren't happy with this? You think that they had no hand in this? N'ah fam'. I call foul play. And mind you, this is coming from someone who's been a HUGE Deltia and Feng' fan. I'd watch their content regularly. So n'ah, I'm not even hating.
So Ive seen this sentiment - and Id like to say.... everything youre seeing in these patch notes may not be what players tested. Players may or may not have tested certain systems and scenarios like BGs... as we were allowed to mention that. Did we test *these patch notes*?? Did we test... any of these? Were these patch notes put together as a result of feedback? To assume everything youre seeing today in the patch notes was what we tested months ago would be to assume theyve done nothing between then and now.
Its tough being bound by an NDA and not knowing what to really say here - but I think its pretty drastic to assume they brought in players and hand crafted an entire system change to all classes in a week and/or we tested that and this is what is being delivered to you guys months later and they were simply on vacation since then.
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Oh man
I have looked to your website for build ideas and what to do with CP. I'm all alone and you were there to help explain things to me
If you are giving up maybe I should too.6 -
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He looked good though. (wipes tears) Like he was just sleeping. (cries)Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.7 -
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✭Yeah if Deltia can not find the silver lining in this patch, there is no silver lining.15 -
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TBH I think he's the one most people will turn to as whilst he's frustrated and shocked he's theory crafting whilst others are crying.Sheva I 7 I wrote: »@Alcast quick do something!
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Console then yes I see an issue and it's not fair you can't help with live testing, but you could try and math/theorycraft constructively.The butthurt in this one is strong.
As per my other thread, go actually play the PTS and try it, do some theory crafting and stop proclaiming the death of the game because of some paragraths.
If you want to stop the changes, actually try and do something to convince ZOS rather than just posting trash on the forums (that's my job).
Turelus B-b-but...console.
Everythings under Nda? Console players be like....salvage the last month and a half that we have. All we have is PARAGRAPHS/NDA. Do our bid.
Main game changes are not NDA that's why the patch notes are not NDA. Only Morrowind core content is NDA.
@Turelus Okay. You will be my conduit to this pts, do me well....5bone pirate 2 engine guardian 3 agility..did I do good?The Flyers0 -
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@FlyLionel class and race and if they're available via the handouts and not requiring of farming I can do my best.
Console then yes I see an issue and it's not fair you can't help with live testing, but you could try and math/theorycraft constructively.The butthurt in this one is strong.
As per my other thread, go actually play the PTS and try it, do some theory crafting and stop proclaiming the death of the game because of some paragraths.
If you want to stop the changes, actually try and do something to convince ZOS rather than just posting trash on the forums (that's my job).
Turelus B-b-but...console.
Everythings under Nda? Console players be like....salvage the last month and a half that we have. All we have is PARAGRAPHS/NDA. Do our bid.
Main game changes are not NDA that's why the patch notes are not NDA. Only Morrowind core content is NDA.
Turelus Okay. You will be my conduit to this pts, do me well....5bone pirate 2 engine guardian 3 agility..did I do good?
However I will have other commitments and issues to test.
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✭✭✭✭✭@Deltia can't save us now. And to be honest, I'm very: Conflicted, confused, and disappointed. This is the guy who went to ZOS HQ just like @FENGRUSH a few months back, and supposedly had worked with ZOS for these upcoming changes. They experienced these changes before we did, and returned to us talking about how they were pleased with what they saw. They were pleased at the fact that they got to work with ZOS on 'balancing'. And now that things have come to light, you think that they aren't happy with this? You think that they had no hand in this? N'ah fam'. I call foul play. And mind you, this is coming from someone who's been a HUGE Deltia and Feng' fan. I'd watch their content regularly. So n'ah, I'm not even hating.
So Ive seen this sentiment - and Id like to say.... everything youre seeing in these patch notes may not be what players tested. Players may or may not have tested certain systems and scenarios like BGs... as we were allowed to mention that. Did we test *these patch notes*?? Did we test... any of these? Were these patch notes put together as a result of feedback? To assume everything youre seeing today in the patch notes was what we tested months ago would be to assume theyve done nothing between then and now.
Its tough being bound by an NDA and not knowing what to really say here - but I think its pretty drastic to assume they brought in players and hand crafted an entire system change to all classes in a week and/or we tested that and this is what is being delivered to you guys months later and they were simply on vacation since then.
Why would I review the patch notes and have differing opinions on changes made if I made these changes?? Or knew of them??
@FENGRUSH You bring-up very solid and valid points. Hence my insightful. However, it just doesn't seem to add-up to me. And yes, I know of how things can be when you're bound to a NDA. Again, it isn't like I'm going out of my way to throw hate or shade on neither you or @Deltia. I love you all's content, and am a huge fan of you both. I've bigged you both up both on these forums and in-game numerous times, and have even gone as far as to recommend you both to upcoming players, and those who wanted advice alike. So it's not like I'm some straight-up hater.
It's just very disturbing as it is confusing. Players were picked based on those who were highly knowledgeable of the game, and had rather profound impacts upon the community (to my knowledge). This was so that more accurate 'balancing' could be done, and tweaks made to make the game more enjoyable for both casuals and elites alike. Be it PvE or PvP. You know? And from my perspective, it's like, "WTF happened at said powwow, and in the small frame of time between then and now? Surely they had to have experienced this stuff in 1 way or another, and if they did — why in the hell are they acting so surprised now? Didn't they have their hands involved in it someway?"2 -
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✭✭✭✭I like what ZOS is trying to do in shifting to make resources matter. I think that sentiment was shared from players like Deltia and I. How they go about it is another thing. Also, drastic changes to classes can be brutal, some can be good, some can be bad. It will take time to pan out.
I dont think all of these major class changes will hold. Im about 99% confident in that. They want to rock the boat and throw out changes now while they can see how people react and are able to test them. Then they will make a final pass on release and we will have to ride with that. Hopefully the final pass it pretty good and doesnt bury any class.
Theres no other time to test this thing on a wider playerbase. People that can test - test when you are able, and voice your feedback. Dont be painfully biased on things. Try to keep an open mind. Thats the best people can do for now IMO. Well see what lands in the end. Sometimes feedback gets ignored (COST POISONS). We do what we can. Deltia and I both would like to see progressive changes and its in our interests to see that happen.18 -
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✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Deltia doesn't give two ***.
He was at ZOS's offices arguing FOR these changes that pidgeon-hole every magicka character into being FORCED to use a staff.
With these changes; if you're playing a magicka-based character, you either use a Destro/Resto staff, or you'll run out of resources so fast that even base-world mob fights become a chore.
There's NOTHING good about these changes coming with Morrowind, and the streamers are heavily to blame.
So no, Deltia won't help any of us out in any way.
So world bosses in other MMOs are easily soloable...maybe making changes that force people to group in the overland stuff is a good idea?0 -
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TBH I think he's the one most people will turn to as whilst he's frustrated and shocked he's theory crafting whilst others are crying.Sheva I 7 I wrote: »@Alcast quick do something!
Exactly, I am glad that someone else noticed this. Alcast's attitude was like "this sucks but we will find a way to make it work. Don't worry, I got this"
Others are like "OmGz I quit, let's hold a funeral for my character and bury him in my front yard now that my class won't have a monopoly over the healing role"3
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