Are You Happy With The Morrowind PTS Notes?

LiquidPony

No

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

God forbid people have to spec a little for regen now as well instead of going balls deep damage. This patch will surely weed out those crutching on CP thinking they're any good.

"spec a little for regen"? try - spec entirely for regen.

as of now this patch kills build diversity. everyone and their mother are gonna be running around in seducers, lich/amberplasm with no room for any variation. 3 of the 5 classes are now obsolete. play warden/sorc or gtfo. this is not a good patch as of now.

There is currently no diversity. Because you have to build for 100% damage or be essentially a wet noodle. This logic goes both ways. BSW or bust.

But there was diversity ... prior to Homestead. It was the "balance" changes in Homestead that gave us this "mag DPS runs BSW and stam DPS runs TFS" meta. Before that at least we had some mix of TBS/BSW/Necropotence/Scathing/Mother's Sorrow/Leviathan/NMG/Spriggan's/etc.

Lucky28

No

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

God forbid people have to spec a little for regen now as well instead of going balls deep damage. This patch will surely weed out those crutching on CP thinking they're any good.

"spec a little for regen"? try - spec entirely for regen.

as of now this patch kills build diversity. everyone and their mother are gonna be running around in seducers, lich/amberplasm with no room for any variation. 3 of the 5 classes are now obsolete. play warden/sorc or gtfo. this is not a good patch as of now.

There is currently no diversity. Because you have to build for 100% damage or be essentially a wet noodle. This logic goes both ways. BSW or bust.

false. i have multiple sets/builds i alternate between daily. full damage, split regen/damage, debuff/regen, debuff/damage all on magblade only one spec i run is full damage and it's not even my most used.

next patch my sets are gonna be: regen/regen and that is it.

DHale

No

Not even a little.

kadar

Yes

Lucky28 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

God forbid people have to spec a little for regen now as well instead of going balls deep damage. This patch will surely weed out those crutching on CP thinking they're any good.

"spec a little for regen"? try - spec entirely for regen.

as of now this patch kills build diversity. everyone and their mother are gonna be running around in seducers, lich/amberplasm with no room for any variation. 3 of the 5 classes are now obsolete. play warden/sorc or gtfo. this is not a good patch as of now.

There is currently no diversity. Because you have to build for 100% damage or be essentially a wet noodle. This logic goes both ways. BSW or bust.

false. i have multiple sets/builds i alternate between daily. full damage, split regen/damage, debuff/regen, debuff/damage all on magblade only one spec i run is full damage and it's not even my most used.

next patch my sets are gonna be: regen/regen and that is it.

You made a generalization, I made a generalization. Both are true regardless of 1 exception.

Most_Awesome

Yes

Love the changes, if it makes the toxic 1vX mentality players quit, then the game just got a lot better

LiquidPony

No

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Love the changes, if it makes the toxic 1vX mentality players quit, then the game just got a lot better

The game would get a lot better if all PvPers would quit.

Durham

No

Looks like 70% so far.... ZOS this is not good ... a vast majority of players few this as a wrong pathway... Nerfs on this scale are bad ... do you really want to make 70% percent of your population unhappy ...

Durham

No

Jules wrote: »

RIP STAM DK
RIP SMALL SCALE
RIP LIFE

/agree

People have no clue just how bad Stam DK's are atm..

ThePonzzz

No

I don't get some of the changes. We want to remove extended sustains... But then we're killing burst damage too. As a ganking stamblade, I really can't go toe-to-toe with a tank or a shield stacker. I don't get why people have to have time to react. They have plenty of skills they can be using to find me before I get them.

I would have expected the CP cap to be majorly increased since this isn't a DLC or update, but an "expansion." Thirty seems to be a DLC/update number. I was hoping for at least 99 (699).

There are just a lot of questions about the balance in PvP that I will just have to wait and watch through the PTS comments. Hopefully there are a good group of players between casual and min/maxers doing PvP content testing.

squishedbysnorlaxub17_ESO

No

My poor poor templar healer that ZOS decided needed to retire apparently

LiquidPony

No

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

No buff for stam DPS and no nerfs for magsorcs? Then it sucks.

Enjoy the new 8 x Magsorc DPS Trials meta.

No buff for stam DPS? What about the fact that caltrops now costs 50% less and deals 75% more damage in an 8m radius for 12 sec and can be stacked? How's that for a mad stamina AoE buff?

Overall, I'm pretty pleasently surprised that ZOS handled this whole resource management thing as well as they did. Hats off to them.

@IzakiBrotherSs the caltrops change is one thing I do actually like in these patch notes ... but I wouldn't be surprised if that gets reverted when the PvPers get their grubby hands on it. And even that's a double-edged sword. The old caltrops (with the giant radius and long duration) was great for keeping mobs at bay, especially in Maelstrom. No more of that. And the cost reduction isn't really a buff considering the duration was reduced by more than 50%. So now I get 24 seconds of caltrops with 2 uses of the GCD versus 30 seconds for 1, for the same cost.

I don't see an extra 3k DPS or whatever being nearly enough to get stam DPS back in the end-game. Still no range, no shields, and poor group utility. Stam DPS needs much more than caltrops stacking. We need stam morphs of AoE DoTs built in to the classes. We need a useable stam shield. We need better ranged options.

Ballzy321

No

Poisons for the win no one will sustain in cyro now

Durham

No

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Love the changes, if it makes the toxic 1vX mentality players quit, then the game just got a lot better

Hmm really ??? You really believe that this only affects them... ??

DocFrost72

Other

The patch was needed, but damn if it feels heavy all at once xD

Durham

No

Turelus wrote: »

Fine for me, I'll adapt and keep playing.

Not the first time I've been in an MMO with a major shake up patch, but even the first time for ESO.

We have an ESO is dead RIP ESO cry every patch now, people are still playing.

Nothing like this before ...

MrBrandon

They should've just changed CP when it comes to sustain, but they went to far and nerfed light,medium and heavy.

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes

Changes to dk/redguard/repentance are glorious. Thank you ZOS, its about time some real balance happend. It was all downhill after 1.6 but now its looking pretty good.

Rajajshka

No

Easily the worst patch for the game imo. If they wanted to nerf sustain, that's fine but nerfing almost everything that gives resources management is just a horrible decision. And from what people on the pts are saying it's pretty much just going to be heavy attack online unless you stack every single thing into sustaining, but even then it'll probably be a chore and you'll most likely have no damage. The changes to Orbs & shards don't help either

I really don't like this patch

Durham

No

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Changes to dk/redguard/repentance are glorious. Thank you ZOS, its about time some real balance happend. It was all downhill after 1.6 but now its looking pretty good.

Are you on the test server...

Aeolwind

No

I cancelled my Morrowind preorder. My sub also expires in June.

Durham

No

Nerfs like this one which is the largest in the life of the game... This is not good for the health of the game ...

Rygonix

No

These notes have a lot of refining to do, a lot of changes seem broad-swept and heavy-handed and need finer tuning. I will reserve final judgement until closer to June but for the time being I am not impressed.

tplink3r1

Yes

Overall yes, but i don't think a 42% nerf on Constitution was necessary. They should have removed Wrath instead and toned down constitution by 20% at most.

FlyLionel

No

Morrowind, the expectation for this is to be the biggest thing to have ever come to eso.

Right when you think all they needed to do was buff stam pve dps, fix nightblades up in pvp/pve and after that then you can tweek sustain through cp. They take it further nerfing even more and not even buffing the weakest classes. It is not a case so much for just 'I cannot sustain' but really? How can you redesign a system without making sure your classes are intact? Absolutely disappointed from a day one mained stam nb, our faith entirely lays in the hands of PTS and 'if' zos wants to get to complete moksha, which baffles me. Fix nb cloak and nb in general (unerf death stroke or restore the ult cost to prior and put the CC back to when you were lower health than target.). Magnb Buff? Why do they pale compared to melee templar/dk? AND ranged dps. Power extraction to be the best stamina spammable aoe(Wow a stamina class with a little spice, steel tornado isnt bis)? How am I the only one seeing this....every other class has dots or some form of good damage built in(hurricane/noxious venomclaw/potl). After that you can do whatever you want to CP. Class balance, not sorcerer VIP access.

Khaos_Bane

LiquidPony wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

God forbid people have to spec a little for regen now as well instead of going balls deep damage. This patch will surely weed out those crutching on CP thinking they're any good.

"spec a little for regen"? try - spec entirely for regen.

as of now this patch kills build diversity. everyone and their mother are gonna be running around in seducers, lich/amberplasm with no room for any variation. 3 of the 5 classes are now obsolete. play warden/sorc or gtfo. this is not a good patch as of now.

There is currently no diversity. Because you have to build for 100% damage or be essentially a wet noodle. This logic goes both ways. BSW or bust.

But there was diversity ... prior to Homestead. It was the "balance" changes in Homestead that gave us this "mag DPS runs BSW and stam DPS runs TFS" meta. Before that at least we had some mix of TBS/BSW/Necropotence/Scathing/Mother's Sorrow/Leviathan/NMG/Spriggan's/etc.

This game is definitely becoming more homogenous and I see @Wrobel is continuing that. Will have to wait and see how it turns out in Morrowind.

If these classes become anymore alike and boring that's going to be a tragedy. This game has so much potential it would be a shame to see boring and homogenous classes ruin it. Such fantastic quests, dungeons, trials, lore, voice acting , and music to be wrecked by boring classes and various skills being changed to work the same.

LiquidPony

No

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

God forbid people have to spec a little for regen now as well instead of going balls deep damage. This patch will surely weed out those crutching on CP thinking they're any good.

"spec a little for regen"? try - spec entirely for regen.

as of now this patch kills build diversity. everyone and their mother are gonna be running around in seducers, lich/amberplasm with no room for any variation. 3 of the 5 classes are now obsolete. play warden/sorc or gtfo. this is not a good patch as of now.

There is currently no diversity. Because you have to build for 100% damage or be essentially a wet noodle. This logic goes both ways. BSW or bust.

But there was diversity ... prior to Homestead. It was the "balance" changes in Homestead that gave us this "mag DPS runs BSW and stam DPS runs TFS" meta. Before that at least we had some mix of TBS/BSW/Necropotence/Scathing/Mother's Sorrow/Leviathan/NMG/Spriggan's/etc.

This game is definitely becoming more homogenous and I see @Wrobel is continuing that. Will have to wait and see how it turns out in Morrowind.

If these classes become anymore alike and boring that's going to be a tragedy. This game has so much potential it would be a shame to see boring and homogenous classes ruin it. Such fantastic quests, dungeons, trials, lore, voice acting , and music to be wrecked by boring classes and various skills being changed to work the same.

Agreed.

When people ask for advice running a stamina NB, I always say "kill the bad man before he can hurt you, and dodge-roll a lot." You don't have healing, but you have massive burst damage and solid sustain via Surprise Attack and Siphoning Attacks.

Now that Siphoning Attacks has been nerfed and provides healing instead of useful resource return, the playstyle has been homogenized. NBs were unique in that you had high burst potential but low survivability, making for builds that (for instance) were capable of super-high vMA scores but a very steep learning curve and little margin for error that required you to constantly be on the move and ready to avoid the next attack rather than eating the damage with an easy-mode shield or healing through it with Crit Surge. Remove the sustain and give them a built-in heal and you've just got a watered-down stamsorc.

I guess I just don't understand the whole "raise the floor, lower the ceiling" thing they're going after. The people they are targeting with that philosophy don't care about difficulty because everything outside of the 4 DLC dungeons and Trials is unbelievably easy.

F7sus4

Other

Yes.
Because we obviously could work around losing 16% Cost Reduction via CP as part of the challenge. But only that much.

No.
Because most likely by developers unawareness on heavy-attack builds existence they were allowed to take over the meta (Molten Armanents/Elegant Set/35% buff on weapon attacks via CP up from 25%). One-click DPS instead of using rotation cheese is worse than Overload cheese we had before. Quite similar though.

BloodMagicLord

No

Sustain needed nerfing, but they did it wrong.
They've gone crazy and nerfed every source of sustain possible, including classes, when all that really needed nerfing was the CP side of things (Non-CP is currently in a pretty good place when it comes to damage vs sustain, in my opinion).

Moloch1514

No

Heavy Attacks Online

dvogiatziseb17_ESO

No

Moloch1514 wrote: »

Heavy Attacks Online

That's a good one!