Tanking hardmode rakkhat in medium armour

Nifty2g

yeah that's right, we're now at the point once again where we can tank in medium armour against the hardest content
as for this video, it's fairly old and i had a bad champion point set up in it so my stam was all over the place, was also my second attempt at doing it. the run itself was kinda bad but it's all i have

powerful assault
bloodspawn
alkosh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLqD-XLFt3Q

Banana

Nerf medium armour

Nifty2g

Banana wrote: »

Nerf medium armour

only issue is, i give up the infinite heavy armour sustain that breeds from constitution

Banana

So doing it in light armour must be next. Then naked.

oicero

Banana wrote: »

So doing it in light armour must be next. Then naked.

So why not starting from the end as naked?
Challenge ac... Ah crap I don't tank...

DRXHarbinger

Nerf nifty. Too tanky. Needs instagimping.

DjMuscleboy02

What? A couple people are capable of tanking rakkhat with medium armor? Nerf magblades

xblackroxe

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

What? A couple people are capable of tanking rakkhat with medium armor? Nerf magblades

ZOS is that you?!

idk

Banana wrote: »

So doing it in light armour must be next. Then naked.

I don't think there are sets of light armor that are advantageous for the group. Real reason nifty is in medium armor is the group benefit from the sets he is wearing.

Marabornwingrion

And then ZOS looks at players like this and thinks: "damn they're too OP, need to nerf every class and CP again"...

LilySix

Almost all tanks that are trying HM VMOL right now are in full medium.

GG guy !

Some of the tanks I know don't use bloodspawn but 2 different head and shoulder. Works well !

DisgracefulMind

Nifty OP tank

Personofsecrets

This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.

Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.

Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.

@paulsimonps

Oompuh

The healer is wearing ebon

Nice job though, what was the off tank wearing?

paulsimonps

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.

Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.

Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.

@paulsimonps

Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.

Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.

Oompuh

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.

Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.

Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.

@paulsimonps

Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.

Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.

Does it include...... pirate skeleton

Asardes

Oompuh wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.

Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.

Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.

@paulsimonps

Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.

Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.

Does it include...... pirate skeleton

1p Chudan + 1p Skeleton actually makes sense if you are mostly wearing medium and want to be close to the resist cap. Although 2p of both sets is lacklustre.

NightbladeMechanics

CP OP

Oompuh

@Nifty2g

Were you both wearing powerful assault? (Tank and off tank)

Nifty2g

Oompuh wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Were you both wearing powerful assault? (Tank and off tank)

yeah

Nifty2g

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.

Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.

Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.

@paulsimonps

Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.

Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.

I believe they're doing heavy armour for rakkhat. and same with most groups i think
as for not blocking, i don't see why you wouldn't want to

paulsimonps

Nifty2g wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.

Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.

Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.

@paulsimonps

Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.

Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.

I believe they're doing heavy armour for rakkhat. and same with most groups i think
as for not blocking, i don't see why you wouldn't want to

The not blocking build is to prove a point about mitigation not about not blocking. Of course you want to block and keep it up all the time but I want to show that there is a lot of ways to get mitigation and that as long as you get to a certain total mitigation you can do anything in the game. But obviously you want to keep with the meta for a reason, it is what we use to help the group and get everyone to their max potential, but one should of course still never be afraid to test new things.

amasuriel

For a group where you get enough shards to cover your blocking without constitution I can see it.

Honestly it seems like more a testament to your healers than anything else, since you will need at least some more heals, and significantly more shards, all while feeding the hungry hungry magicka DPS with orbs.

Still, very impressive.

Oompuh

Nifty2g wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.

Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.

Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.

@paulsimonps

Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.

Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.

I believe they're doing heavy armour for rakkhat. and same with most groups i think
as for not blocking, i don't see why you wouldn't want to

in alcast's most recent maw video, they have ebon and pa on the tanks

Nifty2g

amasuriel wrote: »

For a group where you get enough shards to cover your blocking without constitution I can see it.

Honestly it seems like more a testament to your healers than anything else, since you will need at least some more heals, and significantly more shards, all while feeding the hungry hungry magicka DPS with orbs.

Still, very impressive.

i'm healing myself also an insane amount with vigor

Nifty2g

Oompuh wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.

Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.

Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.

@paulsimonps

Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.

Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.

I believe they're doing heavy armour for rakkhat. and same with most groups i think
as for not blocking, i don't see why you wouldn't want to

in alcast's most recent maw video, they have ebon and pa on the tanks

yeah i mean PA throughout the trial has been done for awhile cause you have an off tank who does it, so why can't the main tank.
but skip to rakkhat and using ebon because they also use worm, so no PA on MT, and really ebon is a must for rakkhat with its crazy damage lineups on the dps

Honghua

As long as you have 30k resistances it doesnt mean all that important what kind of armor you are wearing.
Dont forget medium armor has nice ability that give 20% dodge chance, thats a game changer here.

Lynx7386

I've been thinking of ways to tank in medium on my stam sorc, at least just for vet dungeons. Queue times as dps are horrid and I have plenty of experience tanking as a dk and nb.

Any tips? I'm basically wanting to run a dps stamsorc that can tank without giving up a ton of damage potential

Nifty2g

Honghua wrote: »

As long as you have 30k resistances it doesnt mean all that important what kind of armor you are wearing.
Dont forget medium armor has nice ability that give 20% dodge chance, thats a game changer here.

i have about 21k resistance for the most part

Danksta

Honghua wrote: »

As long as you have 30k resistances it doesnt mean all that important what kind of armor you are wearing.
Dont forget medium armor has nice ability that give 20% dodge chance, thats a game changer here.

But you can use Shuffle on light and heavy armor set-ups too.

Oompuh

Nifty2g wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.

Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.

Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.

@paulsimonps

Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.

Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.

I believe they're doing heavy armour for rakkhat. and same with most groups i think
as for not blocking, i don't see why you wouldn't want to

in alcast's most recent maw video, they have ebon and pa on the tanks

yeah i mean PA throughout the trial has been done for awhile cause you have an off tank who does it, so why can't the main tank.
but skip to rakkhat and using ebon because they also use worm, so no PA on MT, and really ebon is a must for rakkhat with its crazy damage lineups on the dps

Ah, I get it. I skipped to the rakkhat part lul