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Tanking hardmode rakkhat in medium armour
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Proves once again that tanks aren't really tanks in this game. They are utility maids that also take damage.
The ESO holy trinity- Glass Cannon DPS with minimal health that is completely dependent on group buffs for max damage.
- Utility Maid that also takes some aggro and damage.
- Utility Maid that also heals.
Since the "meat shield" part of tanking and the healing part of healing is so trivial now, I am still waiting to see 4 man groups that consist of one Healer/Tank templar (or warden) and 3 max glass cannon DPS. I'm surprised that isn't the meta yet since sustain is through the roof and people should be able to pull that off.0 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Proves once again that tanks aren't really tanks in this game. They are utility maids that also take damage.
The ESO holy trinity- Glass Cannon DPS with minimal health that is completely dependent on group buffs for max damage.
- Utility Maid that also takes some aggro and damage.
- Utility Maid that also heals.
Since the "meat shield" part of tanking and the healing part of healing is so trivial now, I am still waiting to see 4 man groups that consist of one Healer/Tank templar (or warden) and 3 max glass cannon DPS. I'm surprised that isn't the meta yet since sustain is through the roof and people should be able to pull that off.
Most 4 man groups in dungeons go farther than that and just do 4 dps. Top DSA groups consist of a tank with pa and spc and the healer is just a templar dps with bol. So yeah. That's normalXbox NA - Oompa
Khajiit DK Tank
Founder of Major Aegis
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.
Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.
Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.
@paulsimonps
Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.
Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.
@paulsimonps , that sounds like a really cool build. Do you use specialty armor?0 -
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✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »This is a result of diminished returns on damage mitigation meeting the CP system.
Armor rating has been a sub-par stat for a long time now. The only time one really needs very high armor rating is if their not blocking, but in most cases there are one-shots when not blocking.
Therefore players block all of the time and can have pretty low armor ratings.
@paulsimonps
Yeap, what LT is saying is true, you don't really lose that much in mitigation going from heavy to armor, I heard from Paulington way back when I meet him at the ZOS playtest that Hodors tanks were already doing it back then too. Double Alkosh+Powerful assault tanks, maximize damage increase.
Its totally possible to get high damage mitigation even without blocking. I am now working on a "for *** and giggles" build were I am creating a templar that doesn't have to block against the mantikora or the warrior. Well I would block their heavy attacks cause I don't want to get knocked down but you get the point. Build is being made simply to prove a point. That there is A LOT of ways to get damage mitigation that isn't resistance and that resistance is one of the most overrated stats a tank can use.
@paulsimonps , that sounds like a really cool build. Do you use specialty armor?
I don't have the gear yet but the idea is to use Dragon and Cyrodiil's light. Use invigorating drain to proc cyrodiils light and them with that ulti gen and the dragon you can use empowered sweeps and have 100% up time on it and that with a few other mitigation sources will get you up there, its a nord too for every possible little bit of extra mitigation I can muster. When finished it will be resistance capped too with full reinforced and defending.0 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭People are saying nerf medium armour... it's already weak enough as it is in pvp. Anyway, blood spawn as a tank will be pretty much constantly keeping up an extra 6k resistance and the dk armour ability will also be adding a tonne of resistance. Stop whining, not that impressive if you ask me. It's been possible always, just a bit easier now.
Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.0 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭I've been thinking of ways to tank in medium on my stam sorc, at least just for vet dungeons. Queue times as dps are horrid and I have plenty of experience tanking as a dk and nb.
Any tips? I'm basically wanting to run a dps stamsorc that can tank without giving up a ton of damage potential
Go 2 blood spawn and keep up your hurricane. Can also use that sorc ability for an extra 1k resistance (bound armour). Those are really the only things you need, don't forget a taunt though
Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.0 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭People are saying nerf medium armour... it's already weak enough as it is in pvp. Anyway, blood spawn as a tank will be pretty much constantly keeping up an extra 6k resistance and the dk armour ability will also be adding a tonne of resistance. Stop whining, not that impressive if you ask me. It's been possible always, just a bit easier now.
Pretty sure the "nerf medium armor" was a joke and it its pretty impressive if you ask meXbox NA - Oompa
Khajiit DK Tank
Founder of Major Aegis
Main Tank of Dissonant Crusade Uprising Savages0 -
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I agree the tanking role should be looked in to, it needs to be more than it is. It needs an overhaul and some actual thought put into it.Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Proves once again that tanks aren't really tanks in this game. They are utility maids that also take damage.
The ESO holy trinity- Glass Cannon DPS with minimal health that is completely dependent on group buffs for max damage.
- Utility Maid that also takes some aggro and damage.
- Utility Maid that also heals.
Since the "meat shield" part of tanking and the healing part of healing is so trivial now, I am still waiting to see 4 man groups that consist of one Healer/Tank templar (or warden) and 3 max glass cannon DPS. I'm surprised that isn't the meta yet since sustain is through the roof and people should be able to pull that off.#MOREORBS0 -
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Honestly bloodspawn is used for the ult regen, the resistances last 6 seconds which is a very small window with most abilities having a cooldown on them, you're not exactly gaining a ton from bloodspawn.People are saying nerf medium armour... it's already weak enough as it is in pvp. Anyway, blood spawn as a tank will be pretty much constantly keeping up an extra 6k resistance and the dk armour ability will also be adding a tonne of resistance. Stop whining, not that impressive if you ask me. It's been possible always, just a bit easier now.
As for the dk armour ability, I only really use that on his barrage ability.
And last, can you try to do this? I haven't seen any other tanks do it in medium armour yet so a video would be cool to see someone else do it.Edited by Nifty2g on April 4, 2017 11:39PM#MOREORBS0 -
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✭I just don't see the point. Sure it can be done, congrats, just... why?
Does it really make the run that much faster?Edited by WalksonGraves on April 5, 2017 2:34AM1 -
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I agree the tanking role should be looked in to, it needs to be more than it is. It needs an overhaul and some actual thought put into it.Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Proves once again that tanks aren't really tanks in this game. They are utility maids that also take damage.
The ESO holy trinity- Glass Cannon DPS with minimal health that is completely dependent on group buffs for max damage.
- Utility Maid that also takes some aggro and damage.
- Utility Maid that also heals.
Since the "meat shield" part of tanking and the healing part of healing is so trivial now, I am still waiting to see 4 man groups that consist of one Healer/Tank templar (or warden) and 3 max glass cannon DPS. I'm surprised that isn't the meta yet since sustain is through the roof and people should be able to pull that off.
The tank balance team is a not so nice genie. They aren't like Robin William's from Aladdin, but they are no evil Wish Master either. They are sort of like Elizabeth Hurley from the Bedazzled remake.0 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭
Honestly bloodspawn is used for the ult regen, the resistances last 6 seconds which is a very small window with most abilities having a cooldown on them, you're not exactly gaining a ton from bloodspawn.People are saying nerf medium armour... it's already weak enough as it is in pvp. Anyway, blood spawn as a tank will be pretty much constantly keeping up an extra 6k resistance and the dk armour ability will also be adding a tonne of resistance. Stop whining, not that impressive if you ask me. It's been possible always, just a bit easier now.
As for the dk armour ability, I only really use that on his barrage ability.
And last, can you try to do this? I haven't seen any other tanks do it in medium armour yet so a video would be cool to see someone else do it.
As a dps the blood spawn won't do
much but as a tank I can safely say that almost always you will have that extra res up.
Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.0 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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Well you don't ever get over 50% uptime on bloodspawn
Honestly bloodspawn is used for the ult regen, the resistances last 6 seconds which is a very small window with most abilities having a cooldown on them, you're not exactly gaining a ton from bloodspawn.People are saying nerf medium armour... it's already weak enough as it is in pvp. Anyway, blood spawn as a tank will be pretty much constantly keeping up an extra 6k resistance and the dk armour ability will also be adding a tonne of resistance. Stop whining, not that impressive if you ask me. It's been possible always, just a bit easier now.
As for the dk armour ability, I only really use that on his barrage ability.
And last, can you try to do this? I haven't seen any other tanks do it in medium armour yet so a video would be cool to see someone else do it.
As a dps the blood spawn won't do
much but as a tank I can safely say that almost always you will have that extra res up.
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Fodore✭✭✭✭
Well you don't ever get over 50% uptime on bloodspawn
Honestly bloodspawn is used for the ult regen, the resistances last 6 seconds which is a very small window with most abilities having a cooldown on them, you're not exactly gaining a ton from bloodspawn.People are saying nerf medium armour... it's already weak enough as it is in pvp. Anyway, blood spawn as a tank will be pretty much constantly keeping up an extra 6k resistance and the dk armour ability will also be adding a tonne of resistance. Stop whining, not that impressive if you ask me. It's been possible always, just a bit easier now.
As for the dk armour ability, I only really use that on his barrage ability.
And last, can you try to do this? I haven't seen any other tanks do it in medium armour yet so a video would be cool to see someone else do it.
As a dps the blood spawn won't do
much but as a tank I can safely say that almost always you will have that extra res up.
In my experience you do. You may have had different experience to me.
Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.0 -
WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
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Well you don't ever get over 50% uptime on bloodspawn
Honestly bloodspawn is used for the ult regen, the resistances last 6 seconds which is a very small window with most abilities having a cooldown on them, you're not exactly gaining a ton from bloodspawn.People are saying nerf medium armour... it's already weak enough as it is in pvp. Anyway, blood spawn as a tank will be pretty much constantly keeping up an extra 6k resistance and the dk armour ability will also be adding a tonne of resistance. Stop whining, not that impressive if you ask me. It's been possible always, just a bit easier now.
As for the dk armour ability, I only really use that on his barrage ability.
And last, can you try to do this? I haven't seen any other tanks do it in medium armour yet so a video would be cool to see someone else do it.
As a dps the blood spawn won't do
much but as a tank I can safely say that almost always you will have that extra res up.
In my experience you do. You may have had different experience to me.
Using guard makes a huge difference for "proc when hit" monster sets because you take 2x as many hits and half barely do anything but trigger damage being taken due to the double dip in damage resists.
It also depends on the boss, low rate of fire/high damage is the worst environment for damage procs, aoe and adds stacking on you is the best.Edited by WalksonGraves on April 5, 2017 3:31PM1 -
OrphanHelgen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Can you tank in medium armor without guard? If not, I don't see a reason to go medium armor tank, since our tank can do it without guard, making one of our DD's do 10k more dps with guard instead. But sure, it looks cool.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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Fodore✭✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »Can you tank in medium armor without guard? If not, I don't see a reason to go medium armor tank, since our tank can do it without guard, making one of our DD's do 10k more dps with guard instead. But sure, it looks cool.
You can, but if you are using bloodspawn to make up for resistance it won't be as effective. Heavy is best imo, medium just if you want an extra challenge
Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.0 -
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✭Has this not been a thing for the past 6-9 months? I dont think anyone tanks rakkat in heavy armor anymore0 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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videos? i don't believe there is any videos. i haven't seen any other tank do this, would be cool to see some videos or somethinghedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Has this not been a thing for the past 6-9 months? I dont think anyone tanks rakkat in heavy armor anymoreEdited by Nifty2g on April 5, 2017 10:10PM#MOREORBS0 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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videos? i don't believe there is any videoshedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Has this not been a thing for the past 6-9 months? I dont think anyone tanks rakkat in heavy armor anymore
So the point is to show the tanking strat not the fact that its full medium. Ok in that case it makes sense.0 -
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whatever you say lol, i don't believe anyone has done it before. even more so if the current top score doesn't do it, or the second. tanking the trial in medium armour is a thing, but i don't think rakkhat is. though would be cool to see if other tanks do it, you're saying they are with no actual videos or proof about it when we both play on NA and i'm quite sure no other tanks are doing it lolhedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
videos? i don't believe there is any videoshedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Has this not been a thing for the past 6-9 months? I dont think anyone tanks rakkat in heavy armor anymore
So the point is to show the tanking strat not the fact that its full medium. Ok in that case it makes sense.#MOREORBS0 -
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whatever you say lol, i don't believe anyone has done it before. even more so if the current top score doesn't do it, or the second. tanking the trial in medium armour is a thing, but i don't think rakkhat is. though would be cool to see if other tanks do it, you're saying they are with no actual videos or proof about it when we both play on NA and i'm quite sure no other tanks are doing it lolhedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
videos? i don't believe there is any videoshedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Has this not been a thing for the past 6-9 months? I dont think anyone tanks rakkat in heavy armor anymore
So the point is to show the tanking strat not the fact that its full medium. Ok in that case it makes sense.
Ill ask for a vid. But all the groups I know that tank HM use medium armor on MT.0 -
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whatever you say lol, i don't believe anyone has done it before. even more so if the current top score doesn't do it, or the second. tanking the trial in medium armour is a thing, but i don't think rakkhat is. though would be cool to see if other tanks do it, you're saying they are with no actual videos or proof about it when we both play on NA and i'm quite sure no other tanks are doing it lolhedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
videos? i don't believe there is any videoshedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Has this not been a thing for the past 6-9 months? I dont think anyone tanks rakkat in heavy armor anymore
So the point is to show the tanking strat not the fact that its full medium. Ok in that case it makes sense.
Not sure why you think its a big deal...the damage difference is negligeable...1
