Would You Accept nMSA Dropping Maelstrom Weapons? (read before rage posting)

WarpigFunk

No

I'd be fine with weapons dropping in Normal... as long as they cap out at lvl 50. Vet level weapons should only drop in vet.

DocFrost72

Yes

xskinzcity wrote: »

Stop being a bunch of bums and learn the mechanics/complete vma already jeez.

You got us, it is impossible to have completed VMA and support normal dropping weaps.

/s


Reread my first post.

DannyLV702

No

If they dropped at cp140, then sure why not

DannyLV702

No

But with your silly system, anyone could have a 5 year old play normal mode for them and collect all the weapons.

Turelus

Yes

DannyLV702 wrote: »

But with your silly system, anyone could have a 5 year old play normal mode for them and collect all the weapons.

That would be breaking the rules, the game is M for Mature.

xskinzcity wrote: »

Stop being a bunch of bums and learn the mechanics/complete vma already jeez.

It's good to see you're able to join debates constructively.

Massive_Stain

No

Turelus wrote: »

Would you accept the final chests in Normal Maelstrom Arena dropping Maelstrom weapons (level scaled) at a lower drop rate?

For purpose of debate let's say it's the following:
25% chance at level scaled Superior (blue) quality.

If yes, any alterations on the above?

If no, why not?

My answer is no. My reason behind this is nma and vma is a gateway between mediocre players and good players. The weapons are BiS and should not be available based on a sense of entitlement.

Izaki

No

If its only up to CP150 then sure.

Massive_Stain

No

Lore_lai wrote: »

Yes - they should totally drop on normal mode too - but only for people who have previously beat it on Vet, preferably, either with flawless or a certain score.

Or, you know what - even better - implement a token system already. *shocker*

If a token system ever exists, one should never get a token for a nma completion.

Drummerx04

Yes

I say yes as someone who has a 572k flawless clear of vMA.

Why you ask?
Because if weapon drops are opened up to nMA, then the sheer influx of casual players complaining to ZOS about how *** the drop rate is might actually make them address it and add some sort of token system or options to narrow your loot drops... such as fa-nuit-hen providing the weapon as part of the quest hand in and have a dialog option to choose your weapon type (still random trait) on vet mode.

Mojmir

Yes

i can get BiS spellweaver set by running a dungeon set to normal and soloing it. the same should be allowed for an intended solo instance that's been out for a long time. the parties over and the content has been out for a long time,either change the RNG in maelstrom or let it drop in normal.

Beardimus

No

No, 100% no. vMSA only feels impossible untill you put some time into it and some effort. Then you realise its very doable, you don't need to be pro at all, half decent CP and some effort on lead in the mechs and it's straightforward to clear

There is zero need to open the weopons up to normal which is a cake walk.

GrigorijMalahevich

No

1% drop chance for only infused trait maybe, otherwise totally NO

VMA is easy, if you can't complete it - you don't need VMA weapons anyways.

Lukums1

No

Jezus...

Cut it out go farm and LEARN like the rest of us did.

Getting old.

Turelus

Yes

Right wasn't able to reply most of yesterday but wanted to clear things up.

This isn't a thread for "I can't complete vMSA/DSA please make it easier" as some of you have seen by another thread I made over the weekend I am almost done with vMSA other than some minor L2P issues I am working on and vDSA hasn't been hard for a long time.

This was more a thread to see what opinion was to bringing the arenas into line with the rest of the itemisation standards from the 1T update and create constructive debate within the community. Sadly we don't get constructive debate here but "I did it, you can't git gud" replies.

So yeah...

DannyLV702

No

Turelus wrote: »

Right wasn't able to reply most of yesterday but wanted to clear things up.

This isn't a thread for "I can't complete vMSA/DSA please make it easier" as some of you have seen by another thread I made over the weekend I am almost done with vMSA other than some minor L2P issues I am working on and vDSA hasn't been hard for a long time.

This was more a thread to see what opinion was to bringing the arenas into line with the rest of the itemisation standards from the 1T update and create constructive debate within the community. Sadly we don't get constructive debate here but "I did it, you can't git gud" replies.

So yeah...

Because when you ask silly questions you get silly answers. Weapons in normal mode shouldn't even be a thought.

Turelus

Yes

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Right wasn't able to reply most of yesterday but wanted to clear things up.

This isn't a thread for "I can't complete vMSA/DSA please make it easier" as some of you have seen by another thread I made over the weekend I am almost done with vMSA other than some minor L2P issues I am working on and vDSA hasn't been hard for a long time.

This was more a thread to see what opinion was to bringing the arenas into line with the rest of the itemisation standards from the 1T update and create constructive debate within the community. Sadly we don't get constructive debate here but "I did it, you can't git gud" replies.

So yeah...

Because when you ask silly questions you get silly answers. Weapons in normal mode shouldn't even be a thought.

Why?

Why not have thought exercises and debates about controversial topics to see what comes from them. We all know ZOS are not going to make the change, but why can't we as a community debate the merits for and against (as some have) rather than reply "no. git gud"

Any way I think the thread ran its course so I won't bump it again, unless I get a sharpened inferno staff on my first clear, then I will bump it with lots of troll faces.

Tempah

No

I would much rather like it that people who have completed it could trade it with eachother.

So my friend can have my stupid sharp bow and I can have his sharp inferno.

Vaoh

No

I see why you'd ask for this. It's not an unreasonable thing to ask either.

Personally I feel that Maelstrom and Master weapons (along with future skill-altering weapons) should only be earned through completing really tough content as a reward.

Getting these weapons from normal mode would feel lame..... plus imagine a CP162 Tyro linking his Maelstrom Inferno Staff in sharpened -_-

Turelus

Yes

Vaoh wrote: »

I see why you'd ask for this. It's not an unreasonable thing to ask either.

Personally I feel that Maelstrom and Master weapons (along with future skill-altering weapons) should only be earned through completing really tough content as a reward.

Getting these weapons from normal mode would feel lame..... plus imagine a CP162 Tyro linking his Maelstrom Inferno Staff in sharpened -_-

I understand the complaint about how easy nMSA is for this, and I would say maybe for that it needs some tweaks. However what's easy for many on their level 10 characters might not be for others.

On the flip side of the CP162 player linking theirs, I don't see how this is the fault of the player being low level but rather the work required to "farm" a perfect staff. There is a thread on the forums today of just this case from a player, their first run and they got the item.

Allowing nMSA also opens up casual and easy runs of the content for other players who want to farm their weapon but might want to do a few less focus required runs one evening.

RinaldoGandolphi

Yes

As someone who has completed VMA hundreds of times

YES

Im sorry, but VMA as a whole the content is atrocious. Even if you beat it, it doesn't change the fact it requires you to hate yourself to play it. Its simply not fun....for the 5% of people who have beaten it and say its fun, the other 95% who have beaten it hate running it because the content itself is terrible.

Solo instances with BIS gear locked behind it has no place in a Multi-player Online Game.....it really should be changed to a two man arena with mobs and stuff made slightly harder....folks don't play ESO to play by themselves, and the ones who do play by themselves for well...whatever social reasons those are I don't know. I would hope they want to play with friends more though.

i'd say sell the weapons on the Golden Vendor too, every other PVE/Trial set seems to be there anyways.

PVP players get NOTHING for rewards and have got NOTHING for over a year...it would be a small step to give PVP players something to work towards.

Lore_lai

Vaoh wrote: »

plus imagine a CP162 Tyro linking his Maelstrom Inferno Staff in sharpened -_-

While I support that vMA weapons should be available only once you've actually completed Vet Mode - what you say is irrelevant.
vMA is completely doable with low CP.

DocFrost72

Yes

Valera Progib wrote: »

1% drop chance for only infused trait maybe, otherwise totally NO

1)VMA is easy, 2)if you can't complete it - you don't need VMA weapons anyways.

1- No it isn't, or you wouldn't be raging over a suggestion to make normal drop weapons.

2) I can complete it, and don't need weapons for it. There are plenty of people that could benefit from both running the arena and having the weapons. Those are independent thoughts.

Lukums1 wrote: »

Jezus...

Cut it out go farm and LEARN like the rest of us did.

Getting old.

"Jezus...

Cut it out and go read the first page of the forums before sowing salt like the rest of us did.

Getting old."

Salt aside, there are plenty of us who have run it and still want this. We're not all crybaby entitlement seeking kids. Just in your head, I suppose.

Andrewb967

Yes

I wouldn't mind it. Maybe 150 cp weapon. But I do understand players that would be upset.

Artis

No

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Second bold: Theeeeere it is. The issue with that well reasoned argument is that the arena does not reward skill, but luck. It does not hand a BiS weapon to those with 100 flawless runs, but might reward it to a nub that has 1000 deaths over 3 months to clear it. I dot see how that rewards skill.

There are, in my opinion, two compromises. Give everyone a token system to cut back on RNG, which ZoS has said in the past they are resistant to, or, and this is something I'll tag you for to get your opinion, @bubbygink, the following;

Turelus' suggestions apply to normal. You have a 25% chance on the last chest to get any weapon in any trait. In vet, they return to the old system: 50% chance to get a random weapon with Precise, sharpened, or defending only.

Lol nonsense. Don't mix RNG and rewards. Everyone, flawless and a nub both have chances to not get a weapon in 100 runs or get it in the first run. In your screnario a nub just got lucky, but for that one nub there is a 100 more nubs who didn't.

Skill is rewarded, obviously. First off - you need to have skill to complete vMA at all. That nub who took 3 months to complete? Your flawless conquerors started just like that. That nub at least completed it, he's miles ahead of those who farm nMA. Second - skill and experience mean that you complete faster => you get to roll dice more often + you get weekly rewards.

So yes, you should see now that it rewards skill. Most skilled players I know who ran vMA did get their weapons too. And it's supposed to be rare to begin with. So token system - is a bad idea. Why not hand them out or make them drop of crafting writs or something, if you want to guarantee them?

No, normal definitely shouldn't have the same drops as vet. In this case - why run vet? Or, in other words, if I run vet - why am I not rewarded more than those who run norm? Normal can literally be completed with like no cp, no food and only 1 skill on your bar.

redspecter23 wrote: »

A year ago, I would have easily said no. However this content has been out a long time. Just let it be farmed easily now. Early players have had the advantage of VMA weapons for quite some time now. There is no reason to not just open it up at some point and now is as good a time as any. Give a chance of weapons on normal and give 5 or 10 or 15 weapons out for every vet completion. Just get the BiS weapons into the hands of the players that are freaking sick of the RNG lottery.

Yes there is a reason. Those weapons are BiS AND are supposed to be rare. So no, shouldn't just hand them out to everyone. Not until something else is released and drops rare BiS weapons.

Mojmir wrote: »

i can get BiS spellweaver set by running a dungeon set to normal and soloing it. the same should be allowed for an intended solo instance that's been out for a long time. the parties over and the content has been out for a long time,either change the RNG in maelstrom or let it drop in normal.

Exactly. So you have enough free stuff already. Let vMA weapons stay what they are supposed to be - rare bis weapons. But sure lol you guys feel free to stay in your echo chamber and only care about your selfish motives. Right, just because you want to have something, it should become common and we shouldn't have anything rare and meaningful in the game. The only thing is, there are still people who disagree and until you explain why not having anything rare (and essentially playing a moba) is better for an mmorpg, that is not happening. And mind you - we'd benefit from it too, we just can put the needs of the game above our wants.

Unfadingsilence

No

No not at all since you can run Vet maelstrom with ZERO CP thank you deltia so if you want BiS it really does come down to L2P or give up on the weapons

Juhasow

No

Normal MA is so freaking easy it's possible to complete with monitor turned off.

Lukums1

No

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

No not at all since you can run Vet maelstrom with ZERO CP thank you deltia so if you want BiS it really does come down to L2P or give up on the weapons

Thank you, the rest are just silly people living in dream land.

Won't ever come to normal so I giggle every time I see these threads lol

GawdSB

No

Lol, no. I'd just grind normal if that's the case. Normal is way too easy.

If they allow weapons to drop in Normal...
1. It needs to be like normal trials where they have the other types of weapons that nobody wants that drop 99% of the time and the VMA weapons drop that 1%.
2. For VMA they need to limit the traits to only Sharpened, Precise, and Defending.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

No

even if it was as low as 10% i would run nMSA instead of vMSA just for the fact that it will not be that stressful. The only acceptable option is to have the weapons drop at low rates on nMSA excluding defending,sharpened,and precise.

How about that?! If you want the best traits go vMSA.

greylox

Yes

Yes but just to stop constant threads like this. Nothing will get me running this place regularly, normal or vet, it sucks big time.