Azura's Star NA PC Thread PART 3

Prince_of_all_Pugs · May 2017

Azurethe wrote: »

NEED MORE SALT EVERYONE:

the best salty comments often have some truth to them. No guild has fallen lower than TM. How the mighty have fallen

Kartalin · May 2017

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

It's a good description...But really it was just because we used a lot of meatbags.

Im glad you agree. Its an excellent description, seeing as Tertiary Meats natural habitat is nestled in 3 layers of pugs.

Finally, we see eye to eye.

there was a time when this simply wasnt true, once Tertiary meat was literally the strongest AD pvp guild, in the time of the buff servers we where a super power, HAVOK was the only guild that could beat us in a stack v stack fight. man.......... what the hell happened?

Some people left the game, others are taking breaks and may return later. Others *ahem* simply left the guild, which is fine since you wanted to do something different.

What is not true is that we stack with pugs. Maybe you'll spot one of us among them zerg surfing when the guild isn't running, but we do our best to stay away from such groups. They still work hard to catch up to us and leech off our AP, but then we try to move away from them again - that's the main reason you tend to see us more at back keeps. Anything on the front lines and we'll be inundated with pugs. What really messes up a bleakers farm is the ability to spawn at outposts now, worst change in our opinion. Get a good farm going and a bunch of AD spawn there to "help" because they wiped to half their numbers at Ash or BRK.

Magus · May 2017

Gather around children for story time.

TM were once "The Elder Trolls" under Murderthumbs leadership. I took my only break from the game shortly after launch to play Wildstar and when I came back, Murderthumbs was gone and there was a new guild (because he didn't transfer GM) with all the same people in it called Tertiary Meat that had a weird almost merged with Alacrity thing going on with half of the people in that, and then TM split off from that completely.

Primary meatbag, secondary meatbag, tertiary meatbag.... hey, look at that, yes at a time TM did have a minimum of 3 meatbags in most keep defenses and sometimes open field fights, much to the ire of other guilds. One member we recruited along the way is the infamous Vujk, who was also a DIG member, who then taught the ways of siege defense on keeps to DIG, from where it spread on. So, I feel like one of the legacy's of TM was teaching AD how to generally be very annoying with siege and one of our longstanding rivalry guilds GoS picked up on the siege game too. Other guilds gave them the same hate for their sieging that TM received over the years.

TM has never claimed or tried to be the best guild in the game. Some members were more competitive than others to be sure. They never went to the big servers to fight against the top guilds, mostly because of lag. TM really has been about having fun and social, not the best in the game. That may be one reason, they are probably one of the longest running and active guilds in the game, while other adversaries did not last. Striving to be the very best can and will lead to burnout. This is easier to manage on an individual level because you can go play another game, do other content, etc but if you are a raid lead that has to corral 10+ people and get them to enact some level of discipline to play at the top of their game, then is no easy task.

Side note, our siege game these days is no where it used to be, which is ironic because siege is so broken OP in Azura's. And like Kart said, TM does as much as they can to get away from other members of the alliance if the group size is large enough to fight a faction. The way rezzing at outposts works now, makes that more difficult than ever though.

Scrub_Potato · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

who was that EP werewolf horde last night? that was probably one of the coolest things i had ever seen!

Apparently it is a guild. They normally run small mans, but every Wednesday (Or every other Wednesday) they have a WWW, Werewolf Wednesday, where the invite anyone who is a werewolf to join their group. Had a friend who ran with them, they got up to 15 people at one point and were wrecking everything lol, was really cool.

Grunim · May 2017

Magus wrote: »

Gather around children for story time.

TM were once "The Elder Trolls" under Murderthumbs leadership. I took my only break from the game shortly after launch to play Wildstar and when I came back, Murderthumbs was gone and there was a new guild (because he didn't transfer GM) with all the same people in it called Tertiary Meat that had a weird almost merged with Alacrity thing going on with half of the people in that, and then TM split off from that completely.

Primary meatbag, secondary meatbag, tertiary meatbag.... hey, look at that, yes at a time TM did have a minimum of 3 meatbags in most keep defenses and sometimes open field fights, much to the ire of other guilds. One member we recruited along the way is the infamous Vujk, who was also a DIG member, who then taught the ways of siege defense on keeps to DIG, from where it spread on. So, I feel like one of the legacy's of TM was teaching AD how to generally be very annoying with siege and one of our longstanding rivalry guilds GoS picked up on the siege game too. Other guilds gave them the same hate for their sieging that TM received over the years.

TM has never claimed or tried to be the best guild in the game. Some members were more competitive than others to be sure. They never went to the big servers to fight against the top guilds, mostly because of lag. TM really has been about having fun and social, not the best in the game. That may be one reason, they are probably one of the longest running and active guilds in the game, while other adversaries did not last. Striving to be the very best can and will lead to burnout. This is easier to manage on an individual level because you can go play another game, do other content, etc but if you are a raid lead that has to corral 10+ people and get them to enact some level of discipline to play at the top of their game, then is no easy task.

Side note, our siege game these days is no where it used to be, which is ironic because siege is so broken OP in Azura's. And like Kart said, TM does as much as they can to get away from other members of the alliance if the group size is large enough to fight a faction. The way rezzing at outposts works now, makes that more difficult than ever though.

I wish this post could be stickied in any thread that involves a campaign where TM is homed. Thank you @Magus for taking the time to share some history.

Magus · May 2017

Grunim wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

Gather around children for story time.

TM were once "The Elder Trolls" under Murderthumbs leadership. I took my only break from the game shortly after launch to play Wildstar and when I came back, Murderthumbs was gone and there was a new guild (because he didn't transfer GM) with all the same people in it called Tertiary Meat that had a weird almost merged with Alacrity thing going on with half of the people in that, and then TM split off from that completely.

Primary meatbag, secondary meatbag, tertiary meatbag.... hey, look at that, yes at a time TM did have a minimum of 3 meatbags in most keep defenses and sometimes open field fights, much to the ire of other guilds. One member we recruited along the way is the infamous Vujk, who was also a DIG member, who then taught the ways of siege defense on keeps to DIG, from where it spread on. So, I feel like one of the legacy's of TM was teaching AD how to generally be very annoying with siege and one of our longstanding rivalry guilds GoS picked up on the siege game too. Other guilds gave them the same hate for their sieging that TM received over the years.

TM has never claimed or tried to be the best guild in the game. Some members were more competitive than others to be sure. They never went to the big servers to fight against the top guilds, mostly because of lag. TM really has been about having fun and social, not the best in the game. That may be one reason, they are probably one of the longest running and active guilds in the game, while other adversaries did not last. Striving to be the very best can and will lead to burnout. This is easier to manage on an individual level because you can go play another game, do other content, etc but if you are a raid lead that has to corral 10+ people and get them to enact some level of discipline to play at the top of their game, then is no easy task.

Side note, our siege game these days is no where it used to be, which is ironic because siege is so broken OP in Azura's. And like Kart said, TM does as much as they can to get away from other members of the alliance if the group size is large enough to fight a faction. The way rezzing at outposts works now, makes that more difficult than ever though.

I wish this post could be stickied in any thread that involves a campaign where TM is homed. Thank you @Magus for taking the time to share some history.

I will add that in the original group at launch, I ran meatbags for Murderthumbs lol. Running the meat is considered a great honor.

squidprojectb14_ESO · May 2017

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

you can't even find ADs swarying in there anymore.

I put a stop to all the swarying

Kartalin · May 2017

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

you can't even find ADs swarying in there anymore.

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

I put a stop to all the swarying

It's probably because @Micah123 has been on DC with most of TM the past month

I've done my fair share too, and it's cathartic but not really helpful $:\$

squidprojectb14_ESO · May 2017

Kartalin wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

you can't even find ADs swarying in there anymore.

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

I put a stop to all the swarying

It's probably because @Micah123 has been on DC with most of TM the past month

I've done my fair share too, and it's cathartic but not really helpful $:\$

Lulz, the first time Micah ran with us he thought I'd get mad at him for swarrying.

Chrlynsch · May 2017

Scrub_Potato wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

who was that EP werewolf horde last night? that was probably one of the coolest things i had ever seen!

Apparently it is a guild. They normally run small mans, but every Wednesday (Or every other Wednesday) they have a WWW, Werewolf Wednesday, where the invite anyone who is a werewolf to join their group. Had a friend who ran with them, they got up to 15 people at one point and were wrecking everything lol, was really cool.

@Chrlynsch here, call me Caius, I'm the Packmaster of Scourge Alliance, not to be confused with guildleader, that title goes to @Hezzie. @Scrub_Potato was right on with his description.

We usually just run small group but have a fairly steady group of players that come together for Werewolf Wednesday, and have been doing it for a little over a year now (originated on Mondays, but that just didn't sound right).

We are a pretty laid-back group of people. If your looking to come out on Werewolf Wednesday hit myself or @Hezzie up in game. We got plenty of different werewolf builds if your unsure of where to start.

Happy Hunting!

Rylana · May 2017

It amuses me how few people know where TM got their name, even I know that and I have never been associated with them past a few groupups because of my buddy Sisko (Cesare Bull) back in the day.

I remember the Elder Trolls/Aldmeri Vice alliance wayyyyyyy back in the day vs all of those DC at Alessia Farm, 6v20+ all afternoon long. I think it was on Chillrend during Kamikaze's first reign.

That was.... 2 -2 1/2 years ago now wasnt it.

Hard knocks and sometimes a load of trashtalk, but guys like Marek and Vujk were always class acts I considered myself to be cool with.

Nine months away from this crap game, but those days were the most remembered, seriously. Growing up as AD on chilly before I ever went EP.

Hell the dragon leap montage was from that era, and esoinabox. If the game was like it was back then, i might still be playing. The whole one tamriel thing, and the lack of lag fixes and whatnot over the years (coupled with some hilariously stupid drama with a trainwreck of guild leadership) just made the game unfun.

But TM made the game fun (whether alongside or fighting against). Only one other guild gave me as much trouble as a raidcaller and that was VE in their prime right after they rerolled to DC.

The only time fighting TM sucked was when their 10 guys were wrapped up in a lolzerg of 40+ other free AP under aoe cap protection. Then it was a bad day to be EP on whatever server we ran into them on.

Just thought id throw that in there, a voice from the past.

In fact my three greatest battles in ESO involved TM believe it or not.

As AD fighting with Aldmeri Vice members and TM members at the aforementioned Kamikazizerg farm on Chilly
As EP during my first veteran emp reign with VE and TM battering down the walls of Alessia and later BRK for hours until it was over.
As DC at Fare Farm watching the DC noobs get obliterated as TM fought LoM out behind the tower in the field.

And an honorable mention - Sejanus 8v8 for almost an hour while neither team ever fully wiped, was absolutely epic.

These are probably all lost to you in the blur of fighting over the years, but I never forget a good PvP fight, and those 3-4 were what made ESO good at some small measure of times.

=D

Zander98 · May 2017

Rylana wrote: »

It amuses me how few people know where TM got their name, even I know that and I have never been associated with them past a few groupups because of my buddy Sisko (Cesare Bull) back in the day.

I remember the Elder Trolls/Aldmeri Vice alliance wayyyyyyy back in the day vs all of those DC at Alessia Farm, 6v20+ all afternoon long. I think it was on Chillrend during Kamikaze's first reign.

That was.... 2 -2 1/2 years ago now wasnt it.

Hard knocks and sometimes a load of trashtalk, but guys like Marek and Vujk were always class acts I considered myself to be cool with.

Nine months away from this crap game, but those days were the most remembered, seriously. Growing up as AD on chilly before I ever went EP.

These are probably all lost to you in the blur of fighting over the years, but I never forget a good PvP fight, and those 3-4 were what made ESO good at some small measure of times.

=D

Hell.....I'll never forget a certain battle at arrius mine.

Dutchessx · May 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

HI AZ natives,

Any data that can be provided, to fill the missing holes below would be greatly appreciated.

What (DC/AD/EP guilds are running that I'm missing?
What is the average group size? (1-8, 8-12, 12 -24 etc)?
What time of day do they usually play (Primetime, Night, Day)?
What day's of the week do they play (M,T, W,Th,F,S,Su)?

Azura's star
DC
Requiem________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(5-12)

Roll Initiative_____________?

Bro's Treehouse__________?

EP
Darkest Requiem__________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)

Animosity_________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(1-6)

Death's Head Legion_______?

Immortalli_________________?

Longbottom Leafers_______?

REVERB (BADS)___________?

Old Timer's?_______________?

AD
Total Domination (TD)________Prime Time (24/7 Coverage)(24 - 72)

Dominion Knights____________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(12-24)

Republic of Bananas_________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (10-20)

Tertiary Meat________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(6-14)

Imperium of the Eagle(IoTE)__Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (6-12)

Elderblade___________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(4-10)

Limited Intellect______________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST) (3)

Evil Heart___________________?

Hello @Crispen_Longbow
Darkest Requiem run 8-24 man groups on Azura's US prime time. I usually keep the group 12-15 +/- on raid nights. Off raid nights 8-15+/-. We do have small groups running other times. We also have been running on TF every now & then.

I have also noticed another DC guild the Real Requiem, if there is a member here who can give you more info.

Dutchessx · May 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

HI AZ natives,

Any data that can be provided, to fill the missing holes below would be greatly appreciated.

What (DC/AD/EP guilds are running that I'm missing?
What is the average group size? (1-8, 8-12, 12 -24 etc)?
What time of day do they usually play (Primetime, Night, Day)?
What day's of the week do they play (M,T, W,Th,F,S,Su)?

Azura's star

EP
Darkest Requiem__________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)

Animosity_________________Prime Time (5 PM EST - 1 AM EST)(1-6)

Death's Head Legion_______?

Immortalli_________________?

Longbottom Leafers_______?

REVERB (BADS)___________?

Hello @Crispen_Longbow
On behalf of Guild of Shadows: our Guild Lead is Zazeer and we run max 16 generally 12.

Alomar · May 2017

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

It's a good description...But really it was just because we used a lot of meatbags.

Im glad you agree. Its an excellent description, seeing as Tertiary Meats natural habitat is nestled in 3 layers of pugs.

Finally, we see eye to eye.

there was a time when this simply wasnt true, once Tertiary meat was literally the strongest AD pvp guild, in the time of the buff servers we where a super power, HAVOK was the only guild that could beat us in a stack v stack fight. man.......... what the hell happened?

We were called Havoc, with a c not a k, and yes we would have to exert more effort to kill TM's groups than half if not more than the groups we would normally fight in the "main" campaign. Yet, that's the thing TM never played in "main" campaigns, which have always been considered the most competitive and difficult. The only time Havoc would run into TM was during the period we had emp's in 2-3 different campaigns at the same time. We'd run into them/you in the 3rd or 4th most active campaign, which at the time everyone referred to as buff campaigns.

We'd always ask ourselves, what the hell are these guys doing here farming pugs? Annoyingly so, TM would always have a ton of templars and were so tanky with bursts of dps in between. So perhaps you felt like the best AD guild for a time, but because you guys never pushed your limits/bounds and tested yourself against the other top guilds of that period such a statement can never be backed up. We were just one of the few to hop around to different campaigns at the time, unlike many others.

Rylana wrote: »

It amuses me how few people know where TM got their name, even I know that and I have never been associated with them past a few groupups because of my buddy Sisko (Cesare Bull) back in the day.

I remember the Elder Trolls/Aldmeri Vice alliance wayyyyyyy back in the day vs all of those DC at Alessia Farm, 6v20+ all afternoon long. I think it was on Chillrend during Kamikaze's first reign.

That was.... 2 -2 1/2 years ago now wasnt it.

Hard knocks and sometimes a load of trashtalk, but guys like Marek and Vujk were always class acts I considered myself to be cool with.

Nine months away from this crap game, but those days were the most remembered, seriously. Growing up as AD on chilly before I ever went EP.

Hell the dragon leap montage was from that era, and esoinabox. If the game was like it was back then, i might still be playing. The whole one tamriel thing, and the lack of lag fixes and whatnot over the years (coupled with some hilariously stupid drama with a trainwreck of guild leadership) just made the game unfun.

But TM made the game fun (whether alongside or fighting against). Only one other guild gave me as much trouble as a raidcaller and that was VE in their prime right after they rerolled to DC.

The only time fighting TM sucked was when their 10 guys were wrapped up in a lolzerg of 40+ other free AP under aoe cap protection. Then it was a bad day to be EP on whatever server we ran into them on.

Just thought id throw that in there, a voice from the past.

In fact my three greatest battles in ESO involved TM believe it or not.

As AD fighting with Aldmeri Vice members and TM members at the aforementioned Kamikazizerg farm on Chilly
As EP during my first veteran emp reign with VE and TM battering down the walls of Alessia and later BRK for hours until it was over.
As DC at Fare Farm watching the DC noobs get obliterated as TM fought LoM out behind the tower in the field.

And an honorable mention - Sejanus 8v8 for almost an hour while neither team ever fully wiped, was absolutely epic.

These are probably all lost to you in the blur of fighting over the years, but I never forget a good PvP fight, and those 3-4 were what made ESO good at some small measure of times.

=D

I still have a ss around here somewhere of a typical TKO stack of 80+ in the Alessia farm tower. That was during the period when such behavior, stacking, caused insane in-game lag that made fighting against you nearly impossible. #NeverForgetNeverForgive

BraidasNM · May 2017

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

It's a good description...But really it was just because we used a lot of meatbags.

Im glad you agree. Its an excellent description, seeing as Tertiary Meats natural habitat is nestled in 3 layers of pugs.

Finally, we see eye to eye.

there was a time when this simply wasnt true, once Tertiary meat was literally the strongest AD pvp guild, in the time of the buff servers we where a super power, HAVOK was the only guild that could beat us in a stack v stack fight. man.......... what the hell happened?

what time was that?

Satiar · May 2017

I think I missed most of the old VE//TM encounters. My only memory of them back when was hearing in TS that they'd bombed our TV farm groups down in the passage, and 1-2 dethroning battles on Had.

I didn't know they ran back during the 1.6 era, but that's prob cuz we spent most of our time on Thornblade. I'll have to get Dureon to refresh my memories again

Magus · May 2017

Satiar wrote: »

I think I missed most of the old VE//TM encounters. My only memory of them back when was hearing in TS that they'd bombed our TV farm groups down in the passage, and 1-2 dethroning battles on Had.

I didn't know they ran back during the 1.6 era, but that's prob cuz we spent most of our time on Thornblade. I'll have to get Dureon to refresh my memories again

The times I remember fighting VE with TM, VE was still on EP. I remember Teargrants streaking endlessly pre-bolt escape nerfs back to the main group and if you followed the sorc you had a bad time. Head to head engagements weren't that memorable, I think we might have had the better of it because meatbag debuffs used to stack and groups were weary to use purge with the wall of elements bug around.

I remember fighting blue VE during the spin to win days when everyone spammed steel tornado, that was painful.

I remember blue VE costing me an emperor defense on Haderus because we were down to Alessia so we were going to take Roe to have a safe position, I saw VE get into stealth, called it on TS but apparently my mic wasn't working and I YOLO with no support and died. Still mad about my mic not working. Roe take failed, so lost opportunity and couldn't prevent the double team dethrone at Alessia. The other dethrone was like 3 in the morning and had 1 bar pop and 2 group members and like 3 or 4 guilds came over to dethrone me including VE.

So maybe only remember half a dozen engagements with VE while I was with the TM group. I'm sure you ran into them when I wasn't around too, like I wasn't involved in the IC shenanigans that often.

Stridig · May 2017

Any DC guilds have room for a scrub like me in this campaign?

Magus · May 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

It's a good description...But really it was just because we used a lot of meatbags.

Im glad you agree. Its an excellent description, seeing as Tertiary Meats natural habitat is nestled in 3 layers of pugs.

Finally, we see eye to eye.

there was a time when this simply wasnt true, once Tertiary meat was literally the strongest AD pvp guild, in the time of the buff servers we where a super power, HAVOK was the only guild that could beat us in a stack v stack fight. man.......... what the hell happened?

what time was that?

Think he means 1.5 when TM had fights like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dw-uyrWEEc&t=7m17s

IR was memorable when we ran into them.

Havoc was memorable, Tom Hanks, Anon, etc. Don't see any old footage from that but I remember those days.

NM was memorable but only really ran into them early on. TM had more of rivalry with KH for a while (post 1.5, pre-TG patch). We would try to farm and they would come across the map to mess with us.

Most everybody else just got farmed then again we mostly went to buff servers to farm pugs. DC on Chillrend. EP on Azura's Star. Then eventually AD would follow us to the enemy buff servers and then they would become AD buff servers, so TM got accused a lot of killing servers back then.

Kartalin · May 2017

Yo DC, got details on that Roe o-tick for dethrone? Crazy fight;)

WhiteMage · May 2017

I did not participate, but a group member said it was 37k.

Kartalin · May 2017

Nice, thanks. Wish we could have held it, AD was way too tentative.

Scamh · May 2017

Kartalin wrote: »

Yo DC, got details on that Roe o-tick for dethrone? Crazy fight;)

If only the zone tards read the forums right? But the post-dethrone drama was amusing, even if I'm never anywhere near those triple faction stacked sewer shows.

WhiteMage · May 2017

RIP Azura's Star. You will be missed, but we will always remember you in your reincarnation, Sotha Sil.

Kartalin · May 2017

Scamh wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Yo DC, got details on that Roe o-tick for dethrone? Crazy fight;)

If only the zone tards read the forums right? But the post-dethrone drama was amusing, even if I'm never anywhere near those triple faction stacked sewer shows.

Seriously, they think they know everything after playing in pug zergs for a month.

The lag wasn't too bad for me being in the US, but our group was literally me plus 3 Aussies most of the fight and it was rough on them. I think we hit 55 siege up at one point? Easily the most I've seen in more than 2 years pvping.

BraidasNM · May 2017

Magus wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

It's a good description...But really it was just because we used a lot of meatbags.

Im glad you agree. Its an excellent description, seeing as Tertiary Meats natural habitat is nestled in 3 layers of pugs.

Finally, we see eye to eye.

there was a time when this simply wasnt true, once Tertiary meat was literally the strongest AD pvp guild, in the time of the buff servers we where a super power, HAVOK was the only guild that could beat us in a stack v stack fight. man.......... what the hell happened?

what time was that?

Think he means 1.5 when TM had fights like these:

IR was memorable when we ran into them.

Havoc was memorable, Tom Hanks, Anon, etc. Don't see any old footage from that but I remember those days.

NM was memorable but only really ran into them early on. TM had more of rivalry with KH for a while (post 1.5, pre-TG patch). We would try to farm and they would come across the map to mess with us.

Most everybody else just got farmed then again we mostly went to buff servers to farm pugs. DC on Chillrend. EP on Azura's Star. Then eventually AD would follow us to the enemy buff servers and then they would become AD buff servers, so TM got accused a lot of killing servers back then.

ah u played on had (ad's buff server). found some of u in here from one of our farming sesh's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW3-E2SZcuE

guess that's why i didn't know tm was a guild till az last year, tho i had seen most of the player names b4.

Magus · May 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

It's a good description...But really it was just because we used a lot of meatbags.

Im glad you agree. Its an excellent description, seeing as Tertiary Meats natural habitat is nestled in 3 layers of pugs.

Finally, we see eye to eye.

there was a time when this simply wasnt true, once Tertiary meat was literally the strongest AD pvp guild, in the time of the buff servers we where a super power, HAVOK was the only guild that could beat us in a stack v stack fight. man.......... what the hell happened?

what time was that?

Think he means 1.5 when TM had fights like these:

IR was memorable when we ran into them.

Havoc was memorable, Tom Hanks, Anon, etc. Don't see any old footage from that but I remember those days.

NM was memorable but only really ran into them early on. TM had more of rivalry with KH for a while (post 1.5, pre-TG patch). We would try to farm and they would come across the map to mess with us.

Most everybody else just got farmed then again we mostly went to buff servers to farm pugs. DC on Chillrend. EP on Azura's Star. Then eventually AD would follow us to the enemy buff servers and then they would become AD buff servers, so TM got accused a lot of killing servers back then.

ah u played on had (ad's buff server). found some of u in here from one of our farming sesh's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW3-E2SZcuE

guess that's why i didn't know tm was a guild till az last year, tho i had seen most of the player names b4.

I saw 3 of our names in that video - RIP baby version of myself (first sergeant lol). Yeah we played a bit on Haderus (Ezareth was in the guild and had emperor a few times) if we weren't on chillrend or azura's star. TM also typically haven't been trash talkers, stayed away from the laggy prime servers, and had no forum presence for the first couple years of the game. So, we stayed under the radar a long time but as more servers disappeared, more likely to run into them. Usually group size 8-12 but trying to stay away from the rest of the faction. My main memories of NM from way back then were AOE BBQ running out of camps kamikaze style into our group and dying over and over with no cooldown on camp timers back then. Never quite understood what that about. Nice fights with CloneInk's group in that video.

Solariken · May 2017

Any of you the player behind Apocalypto Belial? He always has whispers off and is so mysterious, but he has my vote for best mDk PC/NA.

If you're in here Belial congratulations on being tied with Booz as the reason I can't make my medium armor builds work. Every time I feel like running a glass or ranged build I run into one these guys and get 2-shot and run back to meta builds with my tail between my legs XD

Rickter · May 2017

Solariken wrote: »

Any of you the player behind Apocalypto Belial? He always has whispers off and is so mysterious, but he has my vote for best mDk PC/NA.

If you're in here Belial congratulations on being tied with Booz as the reason I can't make my medium armor builds work. Every time I feel like running a glass or ranged build I run into one these guys and get 2-shot and run back to meta builds with my tail between my legs XD

lol ok.

this is also the guy that my guildie whispered "that was a great fight!" to and Apocalypto responded with "you need to go back to school scrub"

that on top of the fact he is running the EXACT build they are nerfing next patch doesnt carry a lot of weight. seriously, if you are a heavy magdk meta right now, youre running a build so cancerous and cheese that they literally destroyed CP to nerf.